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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:29:27 -0500
From: "John Goerner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: (orb) Melodica Festival

From: Martin Wallace <[e-mail]>
> Melodica Festival October 22nd and 23rd

/bitchmode=on

Is there a reason why a message like this is set at high priority?  I dont
mind having notices like this on the list (I would actually encourage it),
but please, set to normal priority.

/bitchmode=off

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gavin Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orbient Drugs

- --- Ed Blackshaw <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:04:49 PDT jj fish
> <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> # Not everybody who likes Orb likes drugs :)

The Orb is my drug of choice. Needles to say I'm an
addict ;-)
Gavin

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:55:51 +0100
From: Rowland Atkinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Rare Orbs for sale/trade

I have these cds in mint/excellent condition. Interested in offers of
trades (Mostly ambien/idm, fax etc) or sale.
cheers

rA

Fireman - Strawberries oceans (Parlophone) McCartney, Youth project,
ambient techno.
Oldfield vs the Orb - Sentinel (Nobel Prize mix, Orbular bells mix, 7" mix)
WEA YZ698CDX 1992
Orb - Perpetual Dawn (BLRD 46)
Little Fluffy Clouds -  (LFC, LFC Dance Mk 2, Into the Fourth Dimension
Essences Beyond Control, LFC Ambient Mk 1) (BLRD 98)
Orb - Toxygene (2cds in box)
Justified Ancients of Mu Mu - It's Grim Up North (Jams 028CD) KLF
Communications
Grid - Crystal Clear (2 orb mixes)
Sunelectric - Tee (German only release, 7 tracks)


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:33:12 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Orb, Drugs, Philip Dick, Blade Runner, ambient films

jj fish wrote:
> is there such a thing as interesting ambient
> filmmaking.

there was an excellent series shown in the UK at about
4am every saturday night/sunday morning called
'Transambient', with ambient/techno tracks set to
specially filmed images.

very good it was too. check out:

http://transambient.com


> I wanna see KLF's Waiting very badly though I
> heard it's boring.

it is. worth listening to, but dull to watch...

> I read somewhere, or maybe made it up, that the Orb
> were approached to do/were interested in a movie
> soundtrack?

as far as i recall, there was some talk of doing the
soundtrack for 'the game', but that never happened.

> Have the Orb been feautured in any films?

'pi' was used in a trailer last year (can't remember
the film), but not in the actual film, afair.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:36:38 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Orb, Drugs, Philip Dick, Blade Runner, ambient films

Smiley <[e-mail]> wrote:
> there was an excellent series shown in the UK at
> about
> 4am every saturday night/sunday morning called
> 'Transambient', with ambient/techno tracks set to
> specially filmed images.
>
> very good it was too. check out:
>
> http://transambient.com

what is it with me and url's at the moment? ;-)

try: http://www.transambient.com



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:35:18 +0100
From: David Irvine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) ambient films

Off the top of my head I guess most of Andy Warhol's filmed work might
count as ambient (eg two people in a bedroom doing nothing in front of a
fixed camera - for hours).  An even more ambient example might be Brian Eno
(who after all invented ambient music).  He has made ambient videos where
images move and distort slowly to ambient soundtracks.  Unfortunately I've
only seen very small bits of these.  If anyone has one and is willing to
trade an original or a copy please let me know.

I saw an intersting film a while ago (can't remember title or director)
that I would describe as minimalist (think Steve Reich, Philip Glass).  It
was shot by a camera on a machine that spun in a circle taking between five
and ten seconds  for a revolution.  It went
ground...sky...ground...sky...ground in a perfect rhythm with the ground
always looking the same but the sky changing subtly as the clouds moved.  I
can't remember if it had a soundtrack, the film itself was just mesmerising
in the way good minimalist or ambient music is.

I don't think Waiting is boring.  Perhaps it's boring like Chill Out is
boring.  You can sit and watch it and let the sounds and images flow over
you.  The music is not as well integrated as Chill Out, but I'd still
recommend it if you like KLF.

As for atmospheric films, if by atmosphere you mean the kind of visual
saturation that Blade Runner achieved then try anything by Peter Greenaway
(Draughtsman's Contract, The Cook the Thief his Wife and Her Lover, A Zed
and Two Noughts) or Terry Gilliam (Time Bandits, Jabberwocky, Brazil).
Also Neil Jordan's The Company of Wolves.






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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeremiah Rickert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

Try watching the movie "The Andromeda Strain" with the volume turned down,
with some sort of Ambient or Ambient Industrial Music on.

Now that was trippy...

There aren't many films you can do this with...but we just tried it
randomly and it was pretty cool...

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:07:47 EST5EDT
From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

> I saw an intersting film a while ago (can't remember title or director)
> that I would describe as minimalist (think Steve Reich, Philip Glass).  It
> was shot by a camera on a machine that spun in a circle taking between five
> and ten seconds  for a revolution.  It went
> ground...sky...ground...sky...ground in a perfect rhythm with the ground
> always looking the same but the sky changing subtly as the clouds moved.  I
> can't remember if it had a soundtrack, the film itself was just mesmerising
> in the way good minimalist or ambient music is.

===>Probably thinking of Koyanisqaatsi (I butchered the spelling of
that, I'm sure), with music by Philip Glass.  The first half (in my
opinion--looks like it was largely filmed in Monument Valley or
somewhere else in the southwestern U.S.) is wonderful.  I didn't
care for the 2nd half (the "urban" scenes), but I think that was
what the film was conveying.  "Koyanisqaatsi" means something
like "order into disorder" in some Native American langues
(Pueblo, perhaps?).

There was also a followup called "Powaquaatsi," I think.


> As for atmospheric films, if by atmosphere you mean the kind of visual
> saturation that Blade Runner achieved then try anything by Peter Greenaway
> (Draughtsman's Contract, The Cook the Thief his Wife and Her Lover, A Zed
> and Two Noughts) or Terry Gilliam (Time Bandits, Jabberwocky, Brazil).
> Also Neil Jordan's The Company of Wolves.

===>Ah!  The Company of Wovles!  How could I have forgotten
THAT one?!?  In my humble opinion, it is one of the most
beautiful (and horrifying--NOT terrifying) films ever made.  For
those who haven't seen it, it can be basically described as
"Little Red Riding Hood" with a werewolf instead of a wolf.
The atmosphere is incredible--VERY surreal and dreamy.
In fact, if you watch, there are (how can I put this so it makes
sense?) stories within stories within dreams.  Very weird.

There was also a film my wife and I rented about ten years
ago (has it been that long?) called Fire and Ice--as I recall,
it didn't really have a plot....  Just lots of film about this
couple who are skiing....  Some of the soundtrack was
provided by The Alan Parsons Project....  It would never
win at Cannes or Sundance, but it was still enjoyable.
NOT dark, like so much other surreal movies....

Oh, and other "ambient" and surreal filmmaking--check out
some of David Lynch's works, namely Blue Velvet and
some of the early episodes of Twin Peaks....

Later!

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:13:51 EST5EDT
From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Ambient Books

Ok, I'm getting carried away with this, so I apologize.  But
what about atmospheric books?  There are two contemporary
authors that I would highly recommend:  Peter Straub and
Clive Barker.

Straub's Shadowland is in a league by itself (at least it was,
until Barker came along).  Ghost Story (one of the scariest books
I've ever read) has some really surreal moments.  Straub is really
into dreams in his novels.

As for Barker...well...forget the Hellraiser stuff.  That's more
like his short fiction (collected in the Books of Blood series,
and others collections/novellas).  His full-length novels, on
the other hand, are, for lack of a better work, "brain candy."
HIGHLY recommended are Weaveworld, Imajica, and
the first two Books of the Art:  The Great & Secret Show, and
Everville.  (Book Three has not yet been published.)
Electronic music is WONDERFUL to listen to while reading
Barker.  Although Orb would be great, David Arkenstone is
the best Barker music...especially his later Narada releases.

Oh, and lest we forget, one of the most surreal books I've
ever read:  Shirley Jackson's The Sundial.  This one has to
be read to be believed.

Later!

Vince





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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:13:49 -0600
From: orbette delux <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films/drugs

You might want to try David Lynch's Industrial Symphony #1 with Laibach's
"Kapital"  not ambient I know but DAMN!  I got luck tho and had the CD player
on shuffle but the songs fit perfectly.  My friend at the time, Alana, was
freaked out that the music match every little nuance of the film.  To be
truthful, I was a bit freaked out by my luck as well.  Give it a go for
yourself and see what happens.  As to the loser in Boulder who stole my
tape/KLF "Chill Out", I DON'T FORGET A THING!  Anyway personal vendetta's
aside.  I always thought the Nicholas Roeg/David Bowie film, "The Man Who Fell
to Earth" is a good candidate for what my friends and I call, "DYIMtv".  The
film is a SERIOUS head trip to begin with, so I can't imagine what some heady
music would do for it.  I am sure some Eno, Vangelis, or Orb would be just
fine.

As to the second topic,  not all drug users are Orb fans.

Lastly a personal tirade if I may.  What is up with the Panasonic commercial,
you know the one:  Hopping club scene heavy beats, cut to kid at home with CD
burner, back to club where kids hands the DJ a CD he has just made and wrecks
the whole mood with some Middle Eastern/ambient/d'n'b.  WHAT THE HELL???
Firstly, on my own experience, unless you are in a chill out room, playing
ambient in an American club is an open invitation to 1) have the once hoppin'
mob clear the dance floor and 2) have said mob bum rush the DJ booth.
Secondly,  and this is for all the DJ's in the house, what would you do if you
are wailing away on the 1200's and some clown (I don't care HOW cool his
dreadlocks are) comes up to you and hands you a CD.  Said DJ and his cadre of
ultra-hip cling-ons would laugh there asses off and let it be known that
giving a CD to a turntablist is tantamount to opening a McDonalds in New
Dehli.  IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO WORK!!  "I have to admit it is getting better
all the time" my arse.  ANYWAY!  Now that all the sharp knives are out of that
cupboard drawer...back to the Orb Show!


Peace,

'bette

PS. what the hell is ambient/d'n'b anyway?  I mean isn't that contridiction in
terms?


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:18:10 -0600
From: orbette delux <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Ambient Books

Vince,

Weaveworld is my favorite book of all time, but you knew that.  SERIOUS
brain candy indeed!

bette



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:46:20 +0100
From: David Irvine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

David Irvine>
> I saw an intersting film a while ago (can't remember title or director)
> that I would describe as minimalist (think Steve Reich, Philip Glass).  It
> was shot by a camera on a machine that spun in a circle taking between five
> and ten seconds  for a revolution.  It went
> ground...sky...ground...sky...ground in a perfect rhythm with the ground
> always looking the same but the sky changing subtly as the clouds moved.  I
> can't remember if it had a soundtrack, the film itself was just mesmerising
> in the way good minimalist or ambient music is.

Vince Frank ===>
===>Probably thinking of Koyanisqaatsi (I butchered the spelling of
that, I'm sure),

No, I've got Koyanisqaatsi (spellings close enough I reckon - means 'crazy
life' or 'life in turmoil' in Hopi).  For the film I was trying to describe
imagine a camera attached to the rim of, say a windmill sail so that it
points outwards.  So when I say ground...sky...ground...sky it's the same
patch of ground and the same patch of sky.  The ground never changes, but
the sky does as the clouds move.  Like a minimalist piece of music,
repetitive rhythms generated automatically coupled with subtle shifts like
modulation.

David



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) stewart walker, unit, jake mandell tour

just got these dates in the inbox:  I'm coordinating and DJing Lingual at
Go! studios in Carrboro, NC - november is our third month(ly). we've had a
pretty good turnout without much advertising, spinning ambient-70s
dub-jazz-noise-drone-cologne sound-harder techno-etc.  this will probably
be a more minimal techno oriented night.  we have a couple of crazy guys
doing live video, too:  http://gesture.org & http://neosapien.net

ethan


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Wed, Nov. 3    Invisible Cities @ Brownies, NYC
Sun, Nov. 7    TBD - House of Blues, Cambridge
Tue, Nov. 9    Interzone Records, Frederick, MD
Wed, Nov. 10   Lingual @ Go!, Carrboro, NC
Thu, Nov. 11   TBD - NYC
Fri, Nov. 12   Aztec Sol, San Diego (with Jake Mandell)
Sat, Nov. 13   The Glass House, Pomona (with Jake Mandell)
Tue, Nov. 16   Static, San Francisco (with Jake Mandell)
Wed, Nov. 17   TBD - Vancouver
Thu, Nov. 18   The Republic, Calgary
Fri, Nov. 19   Motor, Detroit





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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:58:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: Mike Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films/drugs

>aside.  I always thought the Nicholas Roeg/David Bowie film, "The Man Who Fell
>to Earth" is a good candidate for what my friends and I call, "DYIMtv".  The

I had forgotten all about this!  I did some sort of a paper on this in
college, and I had to watch it over and over again.  After a while you just
turn the sound down and stare--I'm sure some of the more quiet orb tracks or
maybe the Shuttov Assembly (sp?) would be perfect for this.  Highly recommended!


>As to the second topic,  not all drug users are Orb fans.

But are all Orb users drug fans??

Mike



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:01:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Mike Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

>No, I've got Koyanisqaatsi (spellings close enough I reckon - means 'crazy
>life' or 'life in turmoil' in Hopi).

"life out of balance" is what the film defined it as.  I thought it was
Koyaan... but I don't have it here in front of me.  Powaqaatsi was not as
good a film, but the music was so amazing it made up for it; Koyanisqaatsi
is still the amazing film of the bunch (there was a third one, I think it
had a lot of animals, can't remember the name).

Mike



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Date: 13 Oct 99 22:09:49 PDT
From: EMMA PEEL <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) re- Orb partnerings

I just married an Orb fan- and it is awesome. On top of all the fabulous =
love
stuff, and many a stoned night spent listening to the Orb (lately the 40 =
min.
Blue Room I bought two weeks ago on eBay) & playing Wipeout, I doubled my=
 Orb
collection! So I say if you can do it, do it.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:44:26 -0500
From: "Benjamin J. Peterson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) UFOrb + 40 min blue room

Hello all, in addition to my email yesterday, my trials and tribulations of
college are leading me to further shrink my excellent Orb collection.  I
have received numerous requests and offers for some of my rare CDs so I will
be posting them periodically on Ebay over the next week or so.  This is the
only fair and honest way for me to distribute my loved goods.  I just did
something I cant believe, I put up my favorite Orb CD, UFOrb 2CD,
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181444259
I hope this can make someone happy in light of my misery.  Maybe some day I
can buy a whole collection like someone auctioned off a couple of weeks ago.
Peace all
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:23:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Mike Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Orb, Drugs, Philip Dick, Blade Runner, ambient films

>I really, raelly love Philip Dick's stuff, so much better than the
>comparative drivel of your average sci fi crap.  I think he is (was)
>probably the most inventive and open minded sci fi writer of this century.
>Better than Arthur C Clarke ande Ray Bradbury, hard as that is to believe.

Although the quality really varies based upon how pulpy he needed to be to
survive.  He had kind of a rough and embittered life, it seems like.


>Anyway, in it half the free world was a junkie.  Frightening since it was
>based on Dick's own experiences (he once saw the whole history of painting
>in one night projected on his wall, he sed).

If you read VALIS autobiographically enough, it seems like he saw lots of
things. :)


Ambient music
>is absorbed and experienced, while films are less absorbable.  So purely
>ambient films are impossible.

Maybe if we eventually get those rooms where all four walls are television
screens, this will be possible; although if television gets to that stage,
there probably won't be enough attention span left for ambient!

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:41:05 -0400
From: "*eric irving marden*" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Ambient Books

You want to talk about brain candy and orb-friendly reading. GO NOW and pick
up ANYTHING by Tom Robbins. His writing is like being in love on LSD. His
heroines (as in feamle protaganist, but you knew that.), are some of my fav.
charachters of all time. I recommend either Jitterbug Perfume (a story that
spans 1000's of years that involves perfume, beets and the god Pan, but the
story is all set in 'reality' and is highly believalbe (as in not pure
fantasy.) or Skinny Legs and All (whose main charchters are a Can of Beans,
A Stick, and Ms. Spoon (as in eating utensil)) Both are Must reads....

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:29:46 -0400
From: "*eric irving marden*" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films/drugs

> PS. what the hell is ambient/d'n'b anyway?  I mean isn't that
contridiction in
> terms?

#1 I like that commercial. But I groove on Downtempo music.
#2 Atmospheric Jungle or ambient d-n-b is real. Just listen to some of the
"Progression Sessions" and some of the other stuff LTJ Bukem has done.



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:34:51 -0400
From: "*eric irving marden*" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

> Oh, and other "ambient" and surreal filmmaking--check out
> some of David Lynch's works, namely Blue Velvet and
> some of the early episodes of Twin Peaks....

Not to mention 'Fire Walk With Me' ... that backwards talking midget feaks
me out!

Too bad we can't get a copy of the Salvador Dali film he did with the wack
ass scenes that starred a donkey (i forgot the details of the non-plot)...
and speaking of Dali i'll be visiting the museum in St. Pete, FL this
weekend. wonder if they'll let me wear headphones inside? I'll just make up
my own stories with the orb as my soundtrack (i had to tie them into this
post some how <grin> )

\\eric\\



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:42:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: steve robles <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

great suggestions from everyone, but i can't believe
nobody's mentioned stanley kubrick!
not only did he create the most ambient film ever
("2001"), but there are passages in 'the shining,'
'eyes wide shut' and even 'full metal jacket' that are
as ambient in a visual sense as eno is in an musical
sense.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:38:32 -0400
From: "*eric irving marden*" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films/drugs

> Who??  I am just getting into D-n-B, ) and I think I would like this.
Me too. But I am fond of LTJ Bukem. A uk dj / producer. Any of his mixsets
are good, but the CDs to keep an eye out for are the Progression Sessions
(vol. 1 - 4). They feature a full ensemble of performance artitsts and WILL
BLOW YOUR MIND. I saw them live at a rave for 15mins (just got back from the
car as they were finishing) and i've been a fan ever since. the Progression
Sessions (not to be confused with Logical Progressions another one of LTJ's
projects) also feature MC Conrad that intersprces the live d-n-b with
uplifiting lyrics in a spoken word kind of rap / ragga sort of way.

> I just got a compilation called  "Voyager"  It has some stuff
> by Stakka and Skynet if that means anything to you.
I think i've heard of skynet, but i'm not real familiar with alot of the
artists. I do like hip-hop influenced drum-n-bass, and of course the afore
mentioned atmospheric jungle... but that hard rocken tech stepping stuff
really doesn't appeal to me (unless a couple songs are used in the climax of
a dj set or somthing)

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:27:46 -0500
From: "Brian M. Frick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) MP3's

Guys and Gals,

I just uploaded 2 MP3 files from the Icons of the Orb bootleg; trax 4 and 6,
APollo XI and Zodiac Youth.

Enjoy!

I'll upload the rest of the album some other day, but it'll get there, I
promise.

Brian


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:57:03 EST5EDT
From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

> great suggestions from everyone, but i can't believe
> nobody's mentioned stanley kubrick!
> not only did he create the most ambient film ever
> ("2001"), but there are passages in 'the shining,'
> 'eyes wide shut' and even 'full metal jacket' that are
> as ambient in a visual sense as eno is in an musical
> sense.

===>Excellent point!  Also, it should be mentioned that
technically it was Wendy Carlos--NOT Eno--who was
responsible for ambeint.  (Even SHE might not be the
original, but she predates Eno by a few years.)  Sonic
Seasonings was released circa 1970 or 1971, and it is
about as "ambient" as it gets....  "Winter" is my favorite
part....  Creepy as all hell....

And of course, she did the now legendary score to
A Clockwork Orange, and PART of The Shining (most
of her material was cut from the final soundtrack.)

Speaking of the Shining, there IS a bootleg of the
Wendy Carlos material from this movie floating
around--does anyone have a copy they'd be willing
to burn onto cd for me?

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:51:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: matthew schieffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Hey mr. tamborine man

Hey mr. blackshaw at the little lord fontleroy's school of chemistry, you
should wip up a batch of your finest lsd-25 and drip it on some beatiful
orb artowrk.    You could then distribute this brain swelling
monstrosity
to all of us orbers that do enjoy drugs, more for the rest of us.  There's
an idea, has anyone ever heard of drugs bearing the orb's insignia? I mean
if beavis and butthead and felix the cat are worthy, why not them.
Perpetual mescaline or white fluff clouds.
    shit, if the orb is, in fact, the drug itslef then we are all
guilty of consumption.  b-sides, listening to a 48 minute rendition of
blue room
requires  patience that only a large glass chilom of KB's could provide.

on an unrelated side note, did anyone see dave matthews on politically
incorrect this week.  I am not a fan of his, an actually am known to have
fits of rage when speaking of him, but what a wacko.  he was kinda cool
when talking about marijuanna and such, but he was not nearly as
intellectual and concise as i would have guessed.  His eyes were just
small bloodshot slits into his forehead.  I want to get some of what he is
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:11:14 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Ambient films, Koyaanisqatsi

>
>I saw an intersting film a while ago (can't remember title or director)
>that I would describe as minimalist (think Steve Reich, Philip Glass).  It
>was shot by a camera on a machine that spun in a circle taking between five
>and ten seconds  for a revolution.  It went
>ground...sky...ground...sky...ground in a perfect rhythm with the ground
>always looking the same but the sky changing subtly as the clouds moved.  I
>can't remember if it had a soundtrack, the film itself was just mesmerising

It was probably Koyaanisqatsi. One of the best films I've ever seen.
Definitely ambient.  Powaaqatsi a great soundtrack.

Of course, being an idiot, I forgot Terry Gilliam.  I loved 12 Monkeys, Time
Bandits.... Munchasen was severely under
rated.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:15:03 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) More ambient film stuff

Yeah, definitely a freaky movie.  It was kind of hypnotic.  Films like that
slow you down.  Akira Kurosawa's Dreams was great like dat

>Try watching the movie "The Andromeda Strain" with the volume turned down,
>with some sort of Ambient or Ambient Industrial Music on.
>
>Now that was trippy...
>
>There aren't many films you can do this with...but we just tried it
>randomly and it was pretty cool...

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:10:56 +0100
From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films/drugs

At 08:58 14.10.1999 -0600, Mike Bailey wrote:
>>As to the second topic,  not all drug users are Orb fans.
>But are all Orb users drug fans??
no :P

can we drop it now?
^_^
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:30:53 PDT
From: "Joseph Hannah" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orb vs. Irene (non-stop-y2Kmix)

O.K. Orbies, the models are are lookin' good.
1) my orb collection will be evecuating (> 15 ft above sea level)
2) my sufing skills are highly tuned
  => my life is y2K ready
......................................is yours?!?! Kiss me Irene!

Orb Rule!

Start a thread.....

"Who is the collest band to listen to while streatching muscles before
surfboard riding on white beachcomber shorelines???

...yes, I do like to be beside the seaside"

Love and Peace I am signing off for a bit.

Now Playing - - "Moon Sister - Zoe vs. Orb (Lunar Dub")



>Joe from FL

"Be Self Actualised"

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:43:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

In a message dated 14/10/1999 9:10:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  Koyanisqaatsi  >>

 I highly suggest this movie

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:49:45 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Ambient COMIC books, etc

>
>Ok, I'm getting carried away with this, so I apologize.  But
>what about atmospheric books?

I'm getting carried away, too, but I really feel that "Bone" is actually the
most atmospheric comic I've ever read, well, next to Moebius.  Beyond the
cartoon exterior is this huge Lord of The Rings story with this Dreamtime
Conspiracy thing goin' on.  I've not picked up the last few issues,
unfortunately, but I have all up to 35... Really worth reading.

As for atmospheric books, I'd nominate Philip Dick, Tolkien, maybe John
Wndham, the Bible :) and I'm going on too much bye

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:55:19 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Koyaanisqatsi

>is still the amazing film of the bunch (there was a third one, I think it
>had a lot of animals, can't remember the name).

The third was Anima Mundi a short film I missed.
Next up is "Naqoyaqaatsi" life in war.

www.koyaanisqatsi.com

Great film.  Takes a film like that to jolt you out of passive acceptance
and think, woah, our
society really is nuts.


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:20:12 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) ambient films

> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:57:03 EST5EDT "Vince Frank"
> ===>Excellent point!  Also, it should be mentioned that
> technically it was Wendy Carlos--NOT Eno--who was
> responsible for ambeint.  (Even SHE might not be the
> original, but she predates Eno by a few years.)  Sonic
> Seasonings was released circa 1970 or 1971, and it is
> about as "ambient" as it gets....  "Winter" is my favorite
> part....  Creepy as all hell....

Interesting.  Hadn't heard Carlos mentioned as being responsible for
Ambient. Most of the articles I have read credit Eno as the Father of
Ambient, dating back to 1975 when in bed, recovering from a car accident,
he was too ill to get up and turn up the stereo - or turn it off. From
this experience, he derived the notion of peripheral hearing of
music-as-mood-additive. Credits for today's Electronic/Expertimental
music are varied, back to Steve Reich and John Cage in the 60s, but as
far as Ambient, I've always heard Eno, never Carlos.

I'll have to dig out Sonic Seasonings and give it a second listen.

Thanks,
CDRich
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:53:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gavin Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) From:[e-mail]

Quoted from Jhon Balance of the excellent band Coil,
in which
Thighpaulsandra is
a member (and was a member of Spiritualised at one
point):

> Thighpaulsandra is about to fly out to   Palm
Springs where he's
playing
> with Spiritualised as part of a two day event near
there.Im not sure
what
> it is called. Autechre are on the 2nd night of the
two, along with
mike
> Paradinas and Mira Calix etc. Any COIL fans going?
>
> Balance

and

> There are 16 musicians going over. Ray is still
playing,yes. Also
Sleazy
> will be going to the concert but he's not on stage
with
Spiritualised!
>
> Balance

There you go!
:)
RoNAn (Still in London miles away from home...I can
only post to the
list from
my Belfast address)




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