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From: Ricardo Wang <[e-mail]>
Subject: 2nd Annual Olympia Experimental Music Fest (fwd)
Date: 01 May 1996 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT)

hey, sorry if anybody is getting this twice, but i understand that
xmission has been having some serious problems and i wanted to make sure
that everybody on this list gets this for obvious reasons. thanks, rwang

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MAY 27TH, 28TH, & 29TH AT THE MIDNIGHT SUN (113 N. COLUMBIA)

KAOS 89.3 FM Olympia & the Olympia Strange Music Society Present:

THE SECOND ANNUAL OLYMPIA EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL

Music starts promptly at 7 PM each night, $8 at the door, a limited
number of 3 day passes are available for $20 by calling [phone].

The line-up is as follows:

Monday, May 27th 7 PM:

Rotcod & Kramtones from Olympia
Circular Firing Squad from SF
Joseph Zitt from Austin interpretted by the RC Combo from Olympia
Malaise from Olympia/Tokyo
Lab Rat from Seattle
Hands To from Phoenix
Blowhole from Phoneix/Seattle


Tuesday, May 28th

Intonarumori from Seattle
Leslie Q from Olympia
Sirvix from SF
Old Time Relijun from Olympia
Steve Lobdell from Portland
Mr. Pharmacist from Portland
Ed Chang/Blindfold from Portland


Wednesday, May 29th

Gangula Stretch form Olympia
Sue Ann Harkey and Paul Hoskin from Seattle
Whamo! from Portland/Olympia
That Stupid Club from Olypia/Seattle
Miss Murgatroid from Portland
Climax Golden Twins from Seattle
Noggin form Bellingham/Portland

All proceeds from the festival after rent go to the artists who are
travelling from out of town to help cover expenses.  The Midnight Sun is
a SMALL room with very good acoustics, so advance passes are reccomended
because due to the number of musicians involved who'll want to watch the
show, we may have to turn away some folks at the door (we didn't last
year, but a full day has been added and the reputation is one year
bigger.)  There has been some confusion about the nature of this festival
that needs to be cleared up: although many of the acts might be referred
to as "noise bands" this is not a "noise festival", there will be some
rather quiet performances, similarly although many of the artists may
choose to improvise, this is not an "improv festival" as some will
perform prepared/composed material. This is an experimental music
festival, as the name implies and will therefore contain many different
approaches to sound generation.

For More Informantion e-mail: [e-mail]
or Phone: [phone]

Please forward this message to anyone who might be interested.





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From: Liz Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: New OVMN release
Date: 03 May 1996 13:46:03 -0400 (EDT)



SE Productions
presents

OVMN "Throbbing Pulse"
C-46 High position

OVMN is the solo project
of Macronympha's Joseph Roemer

Limited edition tape - $7 plus postage

for ordering info, send mail to [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher DeLaurenti)
Subject: Stockhausen catalogs
Date: 04 May 1996 14:17:38 -0700

I recently ordered stockhausen's Gruppen/Carre CD (took about a month)
and bundled in the well-packed box were a gob of his catalogs.

I have 5 left and rather than recycle them into oblivion, I'd prefer to
cough up the $1.60 to mail 'em into your personal oblivion.

The first 5 to send name + address gets one. I'm not affiliated with the
maestro, so don't expect to get on his or any mailing list. (You have to
but one of his CDs for that; I received some neat mini-flyers for
premieres of new sections of Licht.)

As for the music, words fail me so far...
chris



--
Christopher DeLaurenti        http://www.oz.net/~composer

Loudspeaker heat: Schreker, Birthday of the Infanta; Stravinsky AGON
(Mravinsky, cond. don't buy it); Tippett, Symphony #2; Machito, Oboe Mambo.


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From: Ricardo Wang <[e-mail]>
Subject: Salvador Dali's Birthday May 11th
Date: 04 May 1996 22:19:14 -0700 (PDT)

Yet Another Event Brought to You by the Olympia Strange Music Society:

SATURDAY, MAY11TH 8 P.M. at the Midnight Sun 113 N. Columbia
SALVADOR DALI'S BIRTHDAY PARTY with music by:
MINUS (Portland/Corvalis "free-rock"/noise-improv trio)
    with special guest on clarinet ED CHANG
THAT STUPID CLUB (the most hated band in Olympia)
BLUE FACES (Seattle ambient dirgecore)
surreal projection by MIKE COUSINO projectionist of the Olympia Film Society.
$4, All Ages Welcome, no stage diving.


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher DeLaurenti)
Subject: Stockhausen catalogs gone
Date: 05 May 1996 22:36:29 -0700

Stockhausen catalogs all have takers; the maestro's address:

Stockhausen Verlag
Kettenberg 15
51515 Kurten
Germany

They accept US checks (add a service charge of $4); prices range from $25
for a single disc (though some cost more: Gesang... is $37.75!) to $169
for 7 CDs of Aus Den Seiben Tagen.

chris

--
        http://www.oz.net/~composer/
    three camels for orchestra homepage

Loudspeaker heat: Schreker, Birthday of the Infanta; Stravinsky AGON


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From: [e-mail] (ian obvious)
Subject: Geza X/Eric Hysteric murder suicide.  any witnesses?
Date: 06 May 1996 04:26:39 -0400

I'm looking for any and all information - biographical, discographical,
hagiographical - on the artists/bands listed below.  Y'know - anecdotes,
revelations, recommendations, recriminations...

Anybody who answers gets a free shard of the Prevaricators album I smashed
the other night:


*Marzette Watts, anything other than _Backdrop for Urban Revolution_.

*Victor Grauer, anything other than "Inferno" from 1967.  From the liner
notes I gather that he received a grant in 1963 from the National Institute
of Mental Health to study Hebrew chants and the kinesics of Javanese,
Philippine, and "American Indiam" music: "His experience, possibly unique
for a composer, of listening to and living with field recordings of music
from almost every corner of the world, on a day-to-day basis, for about
three years, has made him more aware of what music can do and what can be
done in music."  Just who is this man?

"...Inferno", to continue with the liner notes, "has the quality, when
listened to under the proper conditions, of seeming to enter the body
forcibly and becoming a part of one's being.  It has dramatic aspects, and
is a complex piece, difficult to discuss."  I'd wholebodidly second that,
and ask for any further pointers on the Victor Grauer phenomenon.

*Scott Puffer/Yo Yo's, anything other than "Pure Annihilation".  Part of
that elusive 1980 Milwaukee/Rotterdam new-wave connection, which included
the Blackholes, Electric Assholes and the Baxters (?).  "Pure Annihilation"
is the only example I know of of pure psychedelic new-wave (provided you
think of Chrome as "new-wave psychedelia") -- just square spine-tingling,
guitar-driven, dorky new-weirdness.  Alas, everything Erik Lindgren has
tried so hard to be...  Any leads on these other bands or anything else by
Puffer would be great.

*Islam O'Shea, anything other than "Small Boats"/"Whail Away".  Two
unbelievably great tracks on the mysterious _Got My Goat_ comp on Thin Face
from 81.  Skeletal, YMG-ish instrumentation breathing in with the pop
sensibilites of _Send Me a Lullaby_-era Go-Betweens and out with the skewed
amateurism and charm of the Mudhutters or early Crispy Ambulance.  More to
the point, imagine if Durutti Column ever tried to cover a Nosebleeds song.
 Apparently some connection with the band Noise (whose song "Noise" is on
the goat comp) but otherwise no leads here...

*Arkansaw Man, anything other than the "Mark Twain" single and the
"Remember That Cottage on the Ocean..." EP.  80-82 SF no-wave, share some
members w/the Alter Boys and probably other Club Foot bands, but, seems to
me, a fish out of water there.  This is some unheralded jagged skronk,
rivaling anything on _No New York_ or _You're Only Soaking In It_...  There
has to be more here than just 6 songs.

*Bamboo Zoo, anything other than the excellent _Look! Listen! Consume!_ LP
on Phoney Gram from 81.

*Pre Fix, anything other than "Ectomorphine"/"Undernathica".

*Brent Wilcox.  There's the great single on Happy Squid, the truly seminal
Project 197, the effervescent/effluvient Neef... and then there's a "Brent
Wilcox" posting lame-ass radio playlists to usenet.  Could this possibly be
the same man???

Is there any extant Project 197 material other than the Independent Project
single?  Any Neef other than the IP single and the Happy Squid comp track?
And who is Kevin Barrett who drums on the Project 197 single?  Don't tell
me he ended up in Cracker or Medicine.

*The Product, other than "I Like the Angels"/"At the Midway".  1981 single
on XXX Records from Boston.  Shockingly good Propeller-esque pop with
sinister Paragon-Park/King-Arthur's-Motel overtones, produced by John
Ze'Wizz of Sleep Chamber.  (The past sure makes strange bedfellows.)
Guaranteed that people from the Product showed up in later Boston bands,
but who...?

*Green Sex, other than "Save Me".  This one's from the same source, a year
earlier, but quite a lot harder to pin down.  It's on Innersleeve, which
metamorphosed into XXX at some point in transition from Pembroke to
Brighton. (Can anyone elaborate on the history of this label/store which on
all accounts seems to have prefigured RRR in the early years...?)  This
single, which claims to have been produced by John Cage, resounds with
tense, early Haters'/early Fair brothers' claustrophobia and desperation,
overshadowing any inherent similarities to Ed Moose Savage or the Kingston
Trio.

*Notekillers.  I asked about this band on chug two years ago and got no
response other than a polite note from Tara Key...  but since this single
is so damn good I will ask again:

>I just picked up a two-buck single by the Notekillers, "The Zipper" b/w
>"Clock Wise", on American Bushmen from 1980.  Two healthy
>cerebral/anthemic instrumentals - real frenetic guitar work, warped
>basslines, off-kilter rhythms and left-field hooks; constantly driving,
>never meanders.  Best single I've heard in years.  If MX-80 Sound tried
>their hand at "All World Cowboy Romance" it would sound something like
>this.  Or maybe Arkansaw Man doing the Flyboys theme song.
>
>Absolutely no details on the sleeve.  It's listed in Volume but with no
>other information.  Does anyone know anything about this band, where
>they're from, if there's any crossover with other bands, if there are
>any other releases on American Bushmen, etc.?
>
>My hunch is that it's from Louisville, a one-off Babylon Dance Band
>thing.  Maybe that's wishful thinking.

I've since learned they were from Philly, and Chuck Warner associates them
loosely with the Raybeats, but that could simply mean they opened up for
the Raybeats once in New Brunswick...  There has to be more on this band.

(do I hear "an album in the can"...?)

*Dua Al Set.  French non-wave band from early 80's who on their split LP
with Procede sound midway between the Stickmen and the Fire Engines.
(Better than the former but nowhere near as great as the latter...)  No
idea what is up with this band.

*Kontakt Mikrofoon Orkest, other than "Do the Residue"/"Living in
Rotterdam".  Dutch band on MCCB (Mass Culture Control Bureau), same label
as Red Balune who didn't impress me at all despite all their credentials.
This single, on the other hand, is fantastic - the Homosexuals w/a _Dub
Housing_ Ubu groove to them.  And horns that'd make Ivy Green jealous. The
poster sleeve lists a single by Geoff Leigh of the band as also available,
but I'm wondering if there's more out there.

*Bob Pittman, other than "The Wanderer"/"I Just Do".   Homeless rock from
84; on the sleeve we see grainy photos of Mr. Pittman rifling through a
dumpster, eating out of a trash can, pissing against a brick wall, and
sleeping in an underpass.  The insert refers to Bob as "Memphis' Own-
Wisconsin's Own- Cheyenne's Own- Vermont's Own- Yakima's Own- " etc.. The
single's on Fowl from SF, and the flipside has a distinct 100 Flowers
urgency to it, though, ironically, a bit over-produced.  Who is this guy?

*The Murphy Federation.  I picked up an extremely confusing single at Rough
Trade for a pound, which I'd thought to be some sort of Monochrome Set
curio because the collage stapled to the wallpaper cover read "Splipping
Past on the Inside par Les Enfants du Paradis" (that being perhaps the best
Monochrome Set song...)  Further inspection of this oddity yielded the
bandname The Murphy Federation and these proclamations hand-typed on the
record label: "produced by the london madras ladies for the lost sixers pub
conspiracy" and "london madras is part of a massive conglomerate, the last
soaks publishing company".  Anybody have any clues?

*Dead Heat, other than "Damnee Petite Sophie"/"Love Song".  French single
on Brain's Records ("vecteur de la musique industrielle") which has no
information whatsoever.

*Jules Baptiste. The "Native Dance"/"Red Decade" 12-inch on Neutral from 82
is decent Branca-produced guitar/horn no-wave stuff.  It's unclear whether
Jules Baptiste is one and the same as the band Red Decade...  Personnel:
Brian Hudson, Jeffrey Glenn, Fritz Van Orden, Bill Obrecht and Baptiste.

*Polly Bradfield.  I've got an LP of violin improvisations from 79 on
Parachute on which she cites Zorn, Chadbourne, Bartok and Ligeti as major
influences.  Don't know anything else about her.

*Frederick Lonberg-Holm.  From Iowa.  There's an extraordinarily good
single of his solo cello and trio (w/Eric Bergkvist and Michael Gendreau)
stuff on Curious from 1990.  Gendreau's name I've seen popping up
w/reference to Molecules and SF noise stuff, but I'm interested in learning
more about Lonberg-Holm.

*Anonymous.  "Corporate Food" is on that Alt. Tentacles comp and there's a
better version of it on the Flat single from 1980.  This was Steve Fisk's
band, but who else was involved, and is there anything else out?  The
single credits Fisk along with P. Tison and J. Stonecipher.  If you haven't
heard Anonymous, they give the Girls a good run for their money.

*Evariste.  The late-60's French equivalent of the Godz + the Shaggs +
Lucia Pamela + Victor Lundberg + Roky Erickson (or rather, Tommie Hall) +
uh, some Sproton Layer too.  Supposed physics post-doc (Princeton, no less)
who went on to screech and croon about calculus, the moon, nuclear war, his
long hair and the Paris of May 68, accompanied by some truly warped
franc-orchestral out-of-skin arrangements.  Rustled some cultural/political
French feathers at the time, it seems.  (There are two notorious singles he
put out during May 68, on some student-committee label, which I'd so much
like to hear.)  The singles from 66-67 on A-Z are pure 'n outright
brilliant alien-hysteria.

Just what happened to him?  People say he's been teaching physics all these
years at some French university, but then again, people also say that
George the Animal Steele is a biology teacher from Minnesota.


see ya at the Mighty Ions reunion,
-i/o





  gonna rip his rock lobster shirt


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From: Nick Hobbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Geza X/Eric Hysteric murder suicide.  any witnesses?
Date: 06 May 1996 10:30:29 -0600 (MDT)

>
>*The Murphy Federation.  I picked up an extremely confusing single at Rough
>Trade for a pound, which I'd thought to be some sort of Monochrome Set
>curio because the collage stapled to the wallpaper cover read "Splipping
>Past on the Inside par Les Enfants du Paradis" (that being perhaps the best
>Monochrome Set song...)  Further inspection of this oddity yielded the
>bandname The Murphy Federation and these proclamations hand-typed on the
>record label: "produced by the london madras ladies for the lost sixers pub
>conspiracy" and "london madras is part of a massive conglomerate, the last
>soaks publishing company".  Anybody have any clues?

I know the Murphys, we share some friends, and I've seen em play a few times

reincarnated as Orchestre Murphy

they appear very occassionally in South London

Rob "guru" Murphy was co-organiser of the should-have-been-legendary sadly
defunct Club Integrale concerts

they are nice people who would not eat live mice

if want to get in touch with them let me know

Nick



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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Geza X/Eric Hysteric murder suicide.  any witnesses?
Date: 06 May 1996 13:57:22 +0000

> *Polly Bradfield.  I've got an LP of violin improvisations from 79 on
> Parachute on which she cites Zorn, Chadbourne, Bartok and Ligeti as major
> influences.  Don't know anything else about her.

bradfield plays on several of the parachute lps:
bradfield/chadbourne-torture time
zorn/chadbourne-school
zorn- archery
zorn-pool

i asked chadbourne about her recently and he said she had made a very dramatic
exit from NYC a few years ago, and as far as he knows she's no longer playing.
too bad, she was one of the finest noise violinists around.



>
> *Frederick Lonberg-Holm.  From Iowa.  There's an extraordinarily good
> single of his solo cello and trio (w/Eric Bergkvist and Michael Gendreau)
> stuff on Curious from 1990.  Gendreau's name I've seen popping up
> w/reference to Molecules and SF noise stuff, but I'm interested in learning
> more about Lonberg-Holm.

he has a cd from 1990 called 'theory of motion' which is quite good. it
features willie winant-percusion and anthony braxton (possibly his only
recording on baritone sax). i see fl-h mentioned a lot on the chicago-improv
mailing list, so he may have relocated there. i saw that trio with gendreau
(whose main project is crawling with tarts) and bergkvist several years ago in
s.f. and they were very good.

shiurba


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Morphic Resonance, Carsickness maybe re-releases from early 1980's
Date: 06 May 1996 16:14:40 -0500

Oh and Manny Theiner might re-release the old Morphic Resonance Trio skronk
cassette "Suite 601", originally from 1985, in conjunction with RRR Records,
soon.

And the old Carsickness albums, long out of print since their 1980-1981 vinyl
release on TMI Products, may come out on CD soon, on Blue Duck Records, the
label which broke Rusted Root.

(note Rusted Root was formed by a couple of guys who started playing in Archie
Werner's "DayGlo Radio", after Archie quit Carsickness, then one of them,
Leon, killed himself? and the other one still is in Rusted Root, also RR
shared Carsickness's practice space for some years, although that was all
after I'd left the band in 1983).

I just slapped up a preliminary Carsickness Web page,
(http://www2.uchicago.edu/ns-acs/ckk/carsickness.html), who knows what will
turn out of all this.

You may know of the Ploughman's Lunch, which has the guitar/vocalist, drummer,
and alto saxophonist of the old band Carsickness.

Oh and my old "squeaky chair" piece (11 and a half minutes of a very, very
squeaky chair :-) which was the soundtrack to Megan Nicely and Julie
Regalado's modern dance video "Michael and Jim Don't Live Here Anymore", from
1993, may be released on an upcoming Canadian ElectroAcoustic Community
collective CD in their "DiscContact!" series.

Enough for now,
Chris Koenigsberg
[e-mail], [e-mail]
http://www2.uchicago.edu/ns-acs/ckk/index.html
(also http://www.pobox.com/~ckk)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Apes of God news/gossip
Date: 06 May 1996 16:15:29 -0500


Just talked to Gilbert Marhoefer this morning, he's the poet/vocalist of the
Apes of God. According to him, they have some big things cooking, some of
which he "can't even talk about" yet.

You may or may not have heard of the Apes of God (yet :-). Originally in
Pittsburgh in 1979, they were Reid Paley and Gilbert Marhoefer. (Reid Paley
went on to form the Dark, then The Five, now I hear he's on a solo acoustic
tour, with the guy from the Pixies).

Gilbert went out to San Francisco, and hooked up in the mid-80's with my buddy
Jason Gibbs, former bassoonist and co-founder of my Morphic Resonance
Ensemble, also played with Carsickness after I left, for a brief stint during
the CS "big band" phase in 1984. (Note that Gilbert bought Jason a Synclavier,
just to do the Apes of God music)

The Gilbert-and-Jason-Synclavier version of the Apes of God put out one CD, I
forget the name sorry, around 1989 or 1990. You might have heard the reggae
single "That's What You Get, for Talking With God" off it, a real funny song
about Islamic fundamentalist terrorists.... I know I heard it on the radio
sometimes.

Then they hooked up with the Splatter Trio's rhythm 2/3rds, i.e. Myles Boisen
on bass/guitar and Gino Robair on drums. (Gino runs the Rastascan Records
label)

The Apes of God put out an EP "Chat With a WitchDoctor" featuring Myles and
Gino, maybe in 1992 or so.

Now the news this morning is, that they've got a new full-length CD coming out
soon with Myles and Gino on it, and they're actually rehearsing a touring act,
with Myles and a different drummer (Gino apparently is going to stay home with
his wife and a newborn baby for a while, congrats Gino!).

Some major label is apparently involved.

Richard Dillon the infamous Pittsburgh poet (he was after my wife at one
point, too :-) :-) WAS formerly the Apes of God manager but in a dispute over
a "Performance Poetry" album, he apparently stole all the copies of the disc
:-) so he's persona non grata now according to Gilbert.

Anyway, that's the hot dirt on Apes of God for today :-)

Chris Koenigsberg
[e-mail], [e-mail]
http://www2.uchicago.edu/ns-acs/ckk/index.html
(also http://www.pobox.com/~ckk)




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From: "Desmond K. Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: _electric__ shocks
Date: 07 May 1996 12:29:11 +0000

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From: Steven Tupper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Geza X/Eric Hysteric murder suicide.  any witnesses?
Date: 07 May 1996 09:42:12 -0700

At 04:26 AM 5/6/96 -0400, ian obvious expounded:

>*Arkansaw Man, anything other than the "Mark Twain" single and the
>"Remember That Cottage on the Ocean..." EP.  80-82 SF no-wave, share some
>members w/the Alter Boys and probably other Club Foot bands

Uh, no.  Alter Boys was Richard Kelly (Club Foot Orchestra founder) and J.C.
Garrett.  Other than knowing one another, and Richard putting out the ArkMan
12" on his rather short-lived Modern Masters label, they had little to do
with Arkansaw Man, which wasn't really a Club Foot band per se.

, but, seems to
>me, a fish out of water there.  This is some unheralded jagged skronk,
>rivaling anything on _No New York_ or _You're Only Soaking In It_...  There
>has to be more here than just 6 songs.

I wish, but there were no other ArkMan releases other than the 12" and the
"Every Job" 7".  The band broke up shortly after the 7".  I think Stevie
Clark (the main creative guy as much as I was ever able to figure out) is
still around, showing up in a few different improv outfits (Pluto comes to
mind first), but Patrick and Glenn moved back East.

>*Pre Fix, anything other than "Ectomorphine"/"Undernathica".

Nope, that's all that was released.  Tommy Tadlock recorded and produced, so
there may be other tapes in his archives, but knowing Tommy, I doubt that
any others are finished.  Tommy's always been incredibly perfectionist about
his work, and would do take after take after take before he got something he
wanted to keep, and then turn around a while later and decide that wasn't
any good after all, and do it all over again, driving everybody right up the
wall.  In the tradition of all good San Francisco bands, Pre Fix broke up
shortly after the 7" came out.

>*Frederick Lonberg-Holm.  From Iowa.  There's an extraordinarily good
>single of his solo cello and trio (w/Eric Bergkvist and Michael Gendreau)
>stuff on Curious from 1990.  Gendreau's name I've seen popping up
>w/reference to Molecules and SF noise stuff, but I'm interested in learning
>more about Lonberg-Holm.
>

There's a Lonberg-Holm CD on Pogus from a few years back called "Theory of
Motion," which features Anthony Braxton and William Winant.  Fred also
toured with Elliott Sharp, didn't he?  Any recordings with the two of them?
Mick Gendreau of course is half of Crawling With Tarts, as anyone familiar
with SF noise knows.

Steve / Subterranean Records
[e-mail]
Steve / Subterranean Records
[e-mail]


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From: Malcolm Humes <[e-mail]>
Subject: *Frederick Lonberg-Holm.
Date: 07 May 1996 19:05:16 -0700 (PDT)

Frederick Lonberg-Holm was at Mills getting a masters in the late 80's,
studying with Braxton there. Willie Winant is also on faculty there.
I went to his thesis concert, which has a very nice use ofthe loft space
and stairs in the Mills concert hall, placing the audience in the
choir loft while performers came and went through the stairwells and the
hall below. The concert receprtion party featured Fred's punk jazz
trio with him on processed Cello. Was a blast, the reception took place
on the stage the concerts usually are on, leaving the potential to
view the whole event from the hall as if it was itself a performance.
Not sure if that was the intent but that was how I enjoyed it...

Fred moved to NYC after Mills and took over booking for some place I
seem to recall described as the longest running improv venue in NYC.
Not sure what's he's up to since, I just recall meeting him a few times
at Mills and parties at Art Simon or Doug Carrol's. Seem to vaguely
recall that Fred may appear on Tom Djll's cd, and maybe maybe on
Eric Muhs Rotodotor (sp?) release also featuring a lot of Myles
Boisen.

  - Malcolm


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Subject: unsubscribe : how?
Date: 07 May 1996 21:15:07 -0600 (MDT)

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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: *Frederick Lonberg-Holm.
Date: 08 May 1996 11:00:45 +0000

>  Seem to vaguely
> recall that Fred may appear on Tom Djll's cd, and maybe maybe on
> Eric Muhs Rotodotor (sp?) release also featuring a lot of Myles
> Boisen

fred lonberg-holm appears on one track on tom djll's cd "mutootator" as
well as on both the myles boisen/eric muhs cd "notochord" and boisen's
"guitarspeak"

i believe your spelling "rotodotor" to be a very nice combination of
these three things: notochord (actual title), mutootator (djll's title),
and rotodoti (name of another group with a cellist).

shiurba


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From: david michael fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn/Masada
Date: 08 May 1996 13:53:03 -0500 (CDT)

I'm a poor graduate student interested in checking out the work of
Zorn/Masada.  Does anyone have a recommendation as to which disk I should
buy if only buying one?  (As far as I can tell, they seem to be working
through the Hebrew alphabet fairly quickly, and I certainly won't be able
to afford over 20 disks.)

Thanks,

David



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From: B BRACKEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jamie Muir
Date: 08 May 1996 16:02:26 -0400 (EDT)

Does anyone know what Jamie Muir has been up to of late?  I thought I saw
a review of a trio disc out that looked rather interesting (in the
wire).  Anyone heard this?  Cant recall anything about it but...

Ive been thinking alot about his work, with M.I.C. and the incredible
duet with Derek Bailey.  The two M.I.C. albums and the Dart Drug disc are
several of my favorite release of all time.

-ben


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From: Miles Egan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Masada/Bailey
Date: 08 May 1996 14:07:00 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 8 May 1996, david michael fisher wrote:

> I'm a poor graduate student interested in checking out the work of
> Zorn/Masada.  Does anyone have a recommendation as to which disk I should
> buy if only buying one?

I was about to ask the same question myself.  While I'm asking, where's a
good place to start with Derek Bailey?  I know this has been discussed
before, but wher can I find a recording of the Ligeti used in 2001?  Is
there a preferred performance?  Is it _Lux Aeterna_?


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From: Kyle Bruckmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Masada/Bailey
Date: 08 May 1996 19:14:48 -0400 (EDT)



On Wed, 8 May 1996, Miles Egan wrote:
> before, but wher can I find a recording of the Ligeti used in 2001?  Is
> there a preferred performance?  Is it _Lux Aeterna_?
>
>
both that and _Atmospheres_ were used in 2001 - i know there's a decent
recording the the former one a DG ligeti release - sort of the greatest
hits of 20th c. composers series - they're both on wergo releases too,
which generally impeccable, but about twice as expensive


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From: Sarah Elizabeth Dillon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Date: 08 May 1996 17:37:40 -0600 (MDT)

PLEASE SOMEONE GET ME OFF THIS LIST!!!!

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From: Hager Joanne <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Masada/Bailey/Ligeti
Date: 08 May 1996 23:49:51 CDT

>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 May 1996, Miles Egan wrote:
> > before, but wher can I find a recording of the Ligeti used in 2001?  Is
> > there a preferred performance?  Is it _Lux Aeterna_?
> >
> >
> both that and _Atmospheres_ were used in 2001 - i know there's a decent
> recording the the former one a DG ligeti release - sort of the greatest
> hits of 20th c. composers series - they're both on wergo releases too,
> which generally impeccable, but about twice as expensive
>
His "Requiem" was also on the soundtrack to 2001.

                -JoAnne


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From: B BRACKEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Masada/Bailey
Date: 09 May 1996 08:15:26 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 8 May 1996, Miles Egan wrote:

> I was about to ask the same question myself.  While I'm asking, where's a
> good place to start with Derek Bailey?

Well, I czn safely say...anything.  I mean, really, that is the best
introduction to him.  But, seriously, of his solo work, I would suggest
the exceptional "Drop me off at the 96th" on Scatter.  This is a great
recording and displays his interests well, and easy'ish to find.  Also
"Incus Taps" on organ of corti is amazing.  As far as Duet Discs, the
classic is the incus recording with Han Bennink are about as good as it
gets.  The Disc with Jamie Muir is also recommended, as well as the
new'ish Henry Kaiser/Bailey duets on shanachie.  Um, It really though
goes on and on, and im of the opinion that there really isnt a "bad"
Bailey album...For something earlier in his career, try "Karyobin", the
Spon. Music Ensemble release.  This is a group date(I think on
chronoscope or something like that).  If you have any questions
about particular releases, please ask...

-ben


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From: Steven Tupper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Geza X/Eric Hysteric murder suicide.  any witnesses?
Date: 10 May 1996 10:02:53 -0700

At 04:26 AM 5/6/96 -0400, ian obvious expounded:

>*Arkansaw Man, anything other than the "Mark Twain" single and the
>"Remember That Cottage on the Ocean..." EP.  80-82 SF no-wave, share some
>members w/the Alter Boys and probably other Club Foot bands

Uh, no.  Alter Boys was Richard Kelly (Club Foot Orchestra founder) and J.C.
Garrett.  Other than knowing one another, and Richard putting out the ArkMan
12" on his rather short-lived Modern Masters label, they had little to do
with Arkansaw Man, which wasn't really a Club Foot band per se.

, but, seems to
>me, a fish out of water there.  This is some unheralded jagged skronk,
>rivaling anything on _No New York_ or _You're Only Soaking In It_...  There
>has to be more here than just 6 songs.

I wish, but there were no other ArkMan releases other than the 12" and the
"Every Job" 7".  The band broke up shortly after the 7".  I think Stevie
Clark (the main creative guy as much as I was ever able to figure out) is
still around, showing up in a few different improv outfits (Pluto comes to
mind first), but Patrick and Glenn moved back East.

>*Pre Fix, anything other than "Ectomorphine"/"Undernathica".

Nope, that's all that was released.  Tommy Tadlock recorded and produced, so
there may be other tapes in his archives, but knowing Tommy, I doubt that
any others are finished.  Tommy's always been incredibly perfectionist about
his work, and would do take after take after take before he got something he
wanted to keep, and then turn around a while later and decide that wasn't
any good after all, and do it all over again, driving everybody right up the
wall.  In the tradition of all good San Francisco bands, Pre Fix broke up
shortly after the 7" came out.

>*Frederick Lonberg-Holm.  From Iowa.  There's an extraordinarily good
>single of his solo cello and trio (w/Eric Bergkvist and Michael Gendreau)
>stuff on Curious from 1990.  Gendreau's name I've seen popping up
>w/reference to Molecules and SF noise stuff, but I'm interested in learning
>more about Lonberg-Holm.
>

There's a Lonberg-Holm CD on Pogus from a few years back called "Theory of
Motion," which features Anthony Braxton and William Winant.  Fred also
toured with Elliott Sharp, didn't he?  Any recordings with the two of them?
Mick Gendreau of course is half of Crawling With Tarts, as anyone familiar
with SF noise knows.

Steve / Subterranean Records
[e-mail]
Steve / Subterranean Records
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kan)
Subject: Re: Zorn/Masada
Date: 10 May 1996 18:43:08 -0500

>I'm a poor graduate student interested in checking out the work of
>Zorn/Masada.  Does anyone have a recommendation as to which disk I should
>buy if only buying one?  (As far as I can tell, they seem to be working
>through the Hebrew alphabet fairly quickly, and I certainly won't be able
>to afford over 20 disks.)

Well, I'm an overpaid yuppie programmer who owns 1-3 and 5 (missed the
offer for 4...) and I would get _Gimel_, followed by _Beit_.

Jim



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// Computer Curriculum Corporation/Simon & Schuster/Viacom/Paramount/Blockbuster
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From: Hager Joanne <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Masada/Bailey
Date: 11 May 1996 14:59:25 CDT

>
> On Wed, 8 May 1996, Miles Egan wrote:
>
> > I was about to ask the same question myself.  While I'm asking, where's a
> > good place to start with Derek Bailey?
>
I would try "Banter" with Gregg Bendian...

                    JoAnne


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From: Jonathan Kandell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ligeti
Date: 11 May 1996 15:25:13 -0700 (MST)

I know it's not his most famous works, but I think Boulez's recennt disk
on DG is really excellent.  Great pieces, great playing


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Playground?
Date: 12 May 1996 14:19:44 -0400

Has Playground done anything else besides the Shrine compilation and their
"Resilience" CD?

thanks,
Mike


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From: Kevin Goldsmith <[e-mail]>
Subject: looking for addresses of European Radio Stations
Date: 14 May 1996 10:18:18 -0700

that play nm-listy type music.  Anyone have some handy?

    Kevin

Kevin Goldsmith

http://www.etext.org/Zines/UnitCircle/kevin/


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From: "S_FBUEBL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: looking for addresses of European Radio Stations
Date: 14 May 1996 20:10:20 +0200

kevin,

I run a radio show called "entartet" on a local radio station in
south germany.

felix buebl
karlstr. 2
89231 neu-ulm

email:
[e-mail]

fax:
0049 731 29232

station name: radio free fm
              in ulm

felix


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From: Mr Orange <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Playground?
Date: 15 May 1996 19:05:29 +0100

>Has Playground done anything else besides the Shrine compilation and their
>"Resilience" CD?
>
>thanks,
>Mike

If this is the Playground from Kent, then Dirter Promotions should still
be able to supply you with the Playground back catalogue.

Dirter Promotions
P.O.Box 61
Herne Bay
Kent CT6 5PQ
UK

Fax [phone]

Speaking of Dirter, I heard an appeal from them on the John Peel show
on Sunday night asking for a record label to finance/release the latest
Splintered album. They said that it had been in the hands of an American
label for a year and they had recently sent it back saying that they did
not have the resources to release it, and Dirter do not currently have
the money either.

David Moor


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From: B BRACKEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dislocation
Date: 15 May 1996 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT)

Does anyone have any comments/suggestions about Dislocation?  I ordered
thier "Carve another notch" (scatter 001) but have yet to get it.

I know that they have at least one other disc out on psf perhaps?

How about Evan Parker/Paul Lytton on emenem?

-b


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dislocation
Date: 15 May 1996 11:47:06 -0700


On Wed, 15 May 1996 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT)  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any comments/suggestions about Dislocation?  I ordered
> thier "Carve another notch" (scatter 001) but have yet to get it.
>
> I know that they have at least one other disc out on psf perhaps?
>
> How about Evan Parker/Paul Lytton on emenem?

By it! The '70s is my favorite period with Parker, and specially his
incredible duo with Lytton. If you don't know Parker's music during
that period, you will be surprised (in the good sense). These guys
were really creating some incredibly original music. Even now, it
still has an amazing freshness.

    Patrice (who hopes they will reissue RA1+2 on Ring/Moers)


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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dislocation
Date: 15 May 1996 14:18:46 +0000

B BRACKEN wrote:

> How about Evan Parker/Paul Lytton on emenem?

yes!! this is a terrific disc. challenges your expectations of what a
percussion/reeds duo can be


shiurba


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From: "S_FBUEBL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: radio show entartet in south germany
Date: 15 May 1996 23:24:24 +0200

this is information about the avantgarde music radio show
"entartet" on the south german radio station "free fm" in ulm.

I am sorry, but I have no playlists - if you request it I could
compile them.

the radio Free FM is a local radio which reaches about 50
miles around ulm. It is totally run by volunteers but legal,
no "pirate radio". It is popular exspecially amongst young people.

The radio show entartet is running weekly on sunday night. It is
run by four people: christian clement, ulrich schwarz, werner
schwarz and felix buebl. Every show lasts one hour and features
one special theme or artist. Christian, Ulrich and Felix focus
avantgarde artists like e.g. "plunderphonic" john oswald,
negativland, otomo yoshihide or carl stone. "theme" shows up
to now featured themes like "new york befor the knitting factory",
"recommended records (honouring daniel waldner after his death)"
or "concrete music". Special shows feature themes like
"monty python - the death of mary, queen of scotts" or "dying
today", mostly consisting of interviews.
We also announce oncoming festivals with special shows like e.g.
"taktlos" or "nancy" or local gigs. Two of our team members,
christian (roxy) and felix (sauschdall) are _the_ two bookers
of avantgarde music in ulm and like to advertise 8c)

Once a month Werner runs a show about world music. He is an excellent
specialist on all those music created by natives of all strange countries
you even didn`t know they would exist.

Sometimes we perform as "Massive Entartet Soundsystem" - with
DJ`s from the radio show and some special performances as e.g.
"the birth of christ" on dezember 25th or gallery nights or...

The best way to contact us is:

felix buebl
karlstr. 2
89231 neu-ulm
germany

fax: [phone]
phone:            75349

email:
[e-mail]





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From: "S_FBUEBL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: radio show entartet in south germany
Date: 15 May 1996 23:24:24 +0200

Hi -

after big response I send the description of the south german
radio show entartet to the whole list. forgive me if you are
not interested and feed you wastebasket with the oncoming text
immediatly.

felix




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From: Paul Vercellotti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: radio show entartet in south germany
Date: 15 May 1996 18:13:32 -0500 (CDT)


> the radio Free FM is a local radio which reaches about 50
> miles around ulm. It is totally run by volunteers but legal,
> no "pirate radio". It is popular exspecially amongst young people.

Did you mention what the station's frequency is?

-Paul Vercellotti
 [e-mail]


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From: "S_FBUEBL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re: radio show entartet in south germany
Date: 16 May 1996 03:52:15 +0200

paul -

I am sure all subscribers will tune their receivers now in order
to catch this new sensation: radio free fm is on the air on
102.6 mhz (formerly AFN) within the distance of 50 miles to
ulm, south germany. If you manage to receive it in america,
you win an keiji haino box set immediatly, signed, expugated
version with bon scott on drums and jim morrison on keyboards.

felix


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From: "J. Exby" <[e-mail]>
Subject: no KK Null
Date: 16 May 1996 09:06:28 -0600 (MDT)


Ok-

so who is going to tell me what the hell happened to the
Zeni Geva tour?!?  The date for Denver (May 15) was cancelled,
and likely never to be rescheduled.  Sparse pieces of info
from Foreskin500 members told me that dates in Calif were cancelled as
well?

well there goes Denver's only decent non-local band jam for the year.
Now we'll just sit around here and wait for another 12months before
anyone worthwhile plays a show in our cow-town....


speaking of shows... I'm venturing to SF from June8-->June 12.
who's got the lowdown on any good plans during those dates?


::j




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: no KK Null
Date: 16 May 1996 08:15:53 -0700


On Thu, 16 May 1996 09:06:28 -0600 (MDT)  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> Ok-
>
> so who is going to tell me what the hell happened to the
> Zeni Geva tour?!?  The date for Denver (May 15) was cancelled,
> and likely never to be rescheduled.  Sparse pieces of info
> from Foreskin500 members told me that dates in Calif were cancelled as
> well?
>
> well there goes Denver's only decent non-local band jam for the year.
> Now we'll just sit around here and wait for another 12months before
> anyone worthwhile plays a show in our cow-town....

I don't know the details but they should play in Portland (OR) next
Saturday and I hope the concert won't be cancelled.

    Patrice.


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From: Kevin Goldsmith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Blood Thirsty Butchers
Date: 16 May 1996 12:46:29 -0700

Anyone have a discography?  I found two releases I hadn't heard of last
night at tower (one self titled on Bacteria Sour and Lukewarm Wind on
Toy's Factory (import)).  I have two more discs at home, but I thought
that they were doing another disk on RBI that I never saw.  Any details?



Kevin Goldsmith

http://www.etext.org/Zines/UnitCircle/kevin/


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From: [e-mail] (Benton Yoshida)
Subject: Re: no KK Null
Date: 16 May 1996 15:32:53 -0800

>Ok-
>
>so who is going to tell me what the hell happened to the
>Zeni Geva tour?!?  The date for Denver (May 15) was cancelled,
>and likely never to be rescheduled.  Sparse pieces of info
>from Foreskin500 members told me that dates in Calif were cancelled as
>well?
>
>well there goes Denver's only decent non-local band jam for the year.
>Now we'll just sit around here and wait for another 12months before
>anyone worthwhile plays a show in our cow-town....
>
>
>speaking of shows... I'm venturing to SF from June8-->June 12.
>who's got the lowdown on any good plans during those dates?
>
>
>::j


ZG and Today is the Day played as advertised here in Los Angeles several
weeks ago.  Dunno about the rest of the tour though.



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From: Chris Scofield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: no KK Null
Date: 18 May 1996 16:22:32 -0700 (PDT)

The show in Seattle almost got postponed because the club they were going
to perfrom at, the Off Ramp, got busted by the vice squad.  But the show
relocated to the Weathered Wall, and Null& crew proceeded to pummel my
lame ass.  3 encores!  bleeding ears!  incredible!  But now they have an
American on the drums??  he was quite good, it was just odd, because i
had no idea zg's drummer left.
--c

On Thu, 16 May 1996, J. Exby wrote:

>
> Ok-
>
> so who is going to tell me what the hell happened to the
> Zeni Geva tour?!?  The date for Denver (May 15) was cancelled,
> and likely never to be rescheduled.  Sparse pieces of info
> from Foreskin500 members told me that dates in Calif were cancelled as
> well?
>
> well there goes Denver's only decent non-local band jam for the year.
> Now we'll just sit around here and wait for another 12months before
> anyone worthwhile plays a show in our cow-town....
>
>
> speaking of shows... I'm venturing to SF from June8-->June 12.
> who's got the lowdown on any good plans during those dates?
>
>
> ::j
>
>
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (ian obvious)
Subject: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 18 May 1996 22:30:09 -0400


a while's back somebody here asked if there were any Sun Ra recordings
which rivaled the luminous brilliance of _Atlantis_, and while I've long
been trying to find the answer to that question myself, I have stumbled
upon a rather unlikely ersatz-_Atlantis_, namely:

_Jimi Hendrix at His Best Volume 3_ on Sagapan from 1972.  Apparently these
are homespun recordings from 1964 of Jimi, Mike Ephron (who provides the
liner notes), and some unnamed Conga drummer - but whatever they are, they
sound unbelievably akin to Ra's "Mu" and "Lemuria"...  shockingly so.
"Young Jim" the 10-minute+ opening track is virtually lifted off side one
of _Atlantis_, despite predating it by nine years or so.  And furthermore,
Jimi's "Giraffe" steals that great riff from "Interstellar Overdrive"
despite predating that by two or three years.  An astounding record.

From the liner notes:

"Cette nuit-la, nous jouames jusqu'a l'aube et ce fut l'experience la plus
extraordinaire de ma vie.  C'etait le pur Jimi, le musicien primitif,
resplendissant dans sa forme cristalline, sans souillure de renommee ou de
fortune."

Of course nothing on here approaches any of the horn-saturated pieces on
_Atlantis_, though a flute does make an unfortunate appearance on one song.

First off, who is/was Mike Ephron?  and, anyone have a line on vols. 1 + 2?

-i/o, the luminant plinth


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From: [e-mail] (ALASTAIR DICKSON)
Subject: Re:Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 19 May 1996 10:10:00 +0100


Ian Obvious <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jimi Hendrix at His Best Volume 3_ on Sagapan from 1972.  Apparently
>these are homespun recordings from 1964 of Jimi, Mike Ephron (who
>provides the liner notes), and some unnamed Conga drummer

According to Charles Shaar Murray's "Crosstown Traffic", these were
recorded in 1969-70, but were redated to '64, a time when Hendrix wasn't
signed to any record labels.  Possibly the same reason why the
Impulse! issues of important Sun Ra records like "Atlantis" and "Magic
City" were supposedly dated 1960.  And why Capt.Beefheart's "Mirror Man"
used to be dated 1965 rather than 1967/8.

>And furthermore, Jimi's "Giraffe" steals that great riff from
>"Interstellar Overdrive"

Which Syd Barrett had got from Love's version of "My Little Red Book"!


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From: [e-mail] (Jason Witherspoon)
Subject: Re:Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 19 May 1996 04:39:53 -0800

At 1:10 AM 5/19/96, ALASTAIR DICKSON wrote:
>Which Syd Barrett had got from Love's version of "My Little Red Book"!

I keep hearing that the Floyd ripped off that riff; finally dusted Love's
1st off after hearing this again (I usually stick to the first side of _Da
Capo_).

The "production" sounds quite like Int. O.  The riff is really simple, (two
chords-- Int. O has about 9) & the lead is really perky & kinda follows the
pattern of the Int. O riff; other than that they're pretty dang dissimilar.
IMHO.



                                                        Jason Witherspoon



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From: [e-mail] (ALASTAIR DICKSON)
Subject: Re:Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 19 May 1996 20:24:00 +0100


Jason Witherspoon <[e-mail]> wrote:
>At 1:10 AM 5/19/96, ALASTAIR DICKSON wrote:
>>Which Syd Barrett had got from Love's version of "My Little Red Book"!
>
>The "production" sounds quite like Int. O.  The riff is really simple,
>(two chords-- Int. O has about 9) & the lead is really perky & kinda
>follows the pattern of the Int. O riff; other than that they're pretty
>dang dissimilar. IMHO.

Yes, the story was that Peter Jenner had just acquired an import of
the Love lp and was singing the song and its intro. to Barrett who
was picking it up on the guitar.  So it was just the intro. that passed
over - I don't think the rest owed much to Burt Bacharach, even
percolated through Arthur Lee!


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From: Nick Hobbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 20 May 1996 02:50:25 -0600 (MDT)

>a while's back somebody here asked if there were any Sun Ra recordings
>which rivaled the luminous brilliance of _Atlantis_, and while I've long
>been trying to find the answer to that question myself, I have stumbled
>upon a rather unlikely ersatz-_Atlantis_, namely:

the best one I remember is Les Nuits de la Foundation Maeght (might have
got the title a bit wrong) which I think was reissued on Recommended

Nick




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From: B BRACKEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 20 May 1996 12:19:45 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 20 May 1996, Nick Hobbs wrote:

> >a while's back somebody here asked if there were any Sun Ra recordings
> >which rivaled the luminous brilliance of _Atlantis_, and while I've long
> >been trying to find the answer to that question myself, I have stumbled
> >upon a rather unlikely ersatz-_Atlantis_, namely:

It is impossible to find these days, but Live at the Montroux is one of
the single best recordings of that era, seriously.  I really dont know
why they havent re-released this.  (A friend involved said they are
trying to).  Its worth having a tape copy, any copy.

-ben

P.S.= A friend found the legendary Ayler/Cecil Taylor date.  Bad
recording, not that great music, but ytou can tell that it could have
been hot sometime.  Sorta a let down after all these years of hearing
that it might be out there.  Its pretty much an ok Cecil date, with ayler
soloing once.  huh.\



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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 20 May 1996 14:03:57 +0000

B BRACKEN wrote:

>
> P.S.= A friend found the legendary Ayler/Cecil Taylor date.  Bad
> recording, not that great music, but ytou can tell that it could have
> been hot sometime.  Sorta a let down after all these years of hearing
> that it might be out there.  Its pretty much an ok Cecil date, with ayler
> soloing once.  huh.\

do you mean this is commercially available? any label info?

shiurba


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From: Nick Hobbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 20 May 1996 15:33:50 -0600 (MDT)

>a while's back somebody here asked if there were any Sun Ra recordings
>which rivaled the luminous brilliance of _Atlantis_, and while I've long
>been trying to find the answer to that question myself, I have stumbled
>upon a rather unlikely ersatz-_Atlantis_, namely:

Tim Hodgkinson reckons Heliocentric Worlds but points out that there can't
be more than about 3 lunatics in the world who've heard ALL of Sun Ra's
records ...

Nick



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From: Ricardo Wang <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 20 May 1996 18:47:38 -0700 (PDT)

Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy is probably close, and would definately
appeal to a lot of nm-listers. - rwang

On Mon, 20 May 1996, Nick Hobbs wrote:

> >a while's back somebody here asked if there were any Sun Ra recordings
> >which rivaled the luminous brilliance of _Atlantis_, and while I've long
> >been trying to find the answer to that question myself, I have stumbled
> >upon a rather unlikely ersatz-_Atlantis_, namely:
>
> Tim Hodgkinson reckons Heliocentric Worlds but points out that there can't
> be more than about 3 lunatics in the world who've heard ALL of Sun Ra's
> records ...
>
> Nick
>
>
>


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From: B BRACKEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 21 May 1996 11:59:52 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 20 May 1996, john shiurba wrote:

> do you mean this is commercially available? any label info?
>

not commercially available.  Only through bootleg traders, etc.  Its
legit, but its not that great, other than the historical significance.
It is a tape only type of thing.  I believe the master tapes have long
been lost, and only copies exist.  Similar to the coltrane funeral
performances, which by the way are incredible.

another cecil note, FMP just put ou;an INCREDIBLE cd of his, check it
out, brand new.

-ben



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From: "david d." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Atlanta Comprovisation Ensemble
Date: 21 May 1996 16:52:00 -0400

The Atlanta Comprovisation Ensemble will be performing on
Live at WREK tonight, Tuesday May 21, at 10:00 pm.  The
A.C.E. is a large ensemble performing conducted improvisations.
The musicians involved in the A.C.E. include members of
various Atlanta bands such as Charlie Parker and Gold
Sparkle Band, along with many more.  It is expected that
the A.C.E. may consist of as many as fifteen to twenty
musicians.

WREK is broadcast at 91.1 FM.  If you are not in the WREK
listening area around Atlanta, you can tune in via the
Internet using CyberRadio 1 (see the web page at
    http://www.gatech.edu/wrek/wreknet/
for more information).

The A.C.E. will also be performing at the Decatur New Music
Festival this Sunday (May 26).  See the web page at
    http://www.cc.gatech.edu/people/home/dwd/dnmf96.html
for more information.

-- david daniell
   [e-mail]
   http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~vaps1wd/


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Welsh)
Subject: Miami area ?
Date: 22 May 1996 11:35:10 -0700

Greetings all:

(Begging your indulgence, please forgive the cross-post if you caught this
elsewhere: like most of what we do here at New Albion, this work doesn't
fit neatly into one category or another...)

New Albion Records and Spec's Music in Miami Beach are pleased to host a
Meet the Composer reception, Sunday June 2 at 8pm.  Everyone in the Miami
area is welcome to attend.

Composer Carson Kievman celebrates the release of "Symphony No. 2(42)" on
New Albion, featuring the Polish Radio National Symphony Orchestra -
Katowice and Polish Radio Choir of Krakow, David Gier, conductor.

Composer in residence with the Florida Philharmonic in the early '90s, this
work was commissioned while Kievman was there and has just now seen the
recorded light of day.

So, to meet Carson as well as area critics and (hopefully) some radio
folks, please drop by the Spec's South Beach Superstore on 501 Collins Ave
in Miami Beach (tel: [phone] contact: John Perwine).  Feel free to
email me for more detail.

(Also, listen for the premiere broadcast of "Symphony No.2(42)" on WTMI fm
Sunday May 30 during Jonathan Mandel's evening 20th century music program;
reviews will run in the Miami New Times, Contax, TWN, and the Miami Herald
and Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel.... hopefully.)

See ya -

Tom

New Albion Records
584 Castro #525
San Francisco, CA 94114 USA
t: 415.621.5757
f: 415.621.4711
e: [e-mail]
http://newalbion.com



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: disc sale
Date: 22 May 1996 17:36:50 -0400

Below are some discs I have for sale (I will also trade.  Send a list).
 Prices include 1st class US Post.  Send email to reserve.

Mike
[e-mail]

$9  Alloy Orchestra "Lonesome" (BIB Records) [Similar to Club Foot Orchestra,
Boston-based Alloy Orchestra composes new soundtracks for old silent films.
 "Lonesome" is from 1929.]

$10  Coil "Worship the Glitch" (World Serpent)

$9  Crash Worship "Asesinos" (ROIR)

$6  Foetus/Chrome Cranks "Vice Squad Dick" CD-EP (PCP Entertainment)

$8  Iceburn "Firon" (Victory Records)

$8  Iceburn "Hephaestus" (Revelation Records)

$20  The Residents "Gingerbread Man" Mac CD-ROM (ION & the Cryptic Corp.)

Tricky "Black Steel" CDS (Island) [Free to first person who purchases two or
more CDs.]


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From: "Joseph Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 22 May 1996 22:40:09 +0000

On 21 May 96 at 11:59, [e-mail] wrote:

> another cecil note, FMP just put ou;an INCREDIBLE cd of his, check it
> out, brand new.

Which one is this? Our local Borders (of all places) has a ton of
cecil, and it's hard to choose one. (Though I do kick myself for not
picking up the CD of "Chinampas" before someone else did, even though
I do have it on LP...)

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|||/  Joseph Zitt ==== [e-mail] ===== Human Systems \|||
||/         Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List         \||
|/<A HREF="http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt/">Joe Zitt's Home Page</A>\|


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kan)
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Bold as Love
Date: 23 May 1996 17:13:37 -0500

>On 21 May 96 at 11:59, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> another cecil note, FMP just put ou;an INCREDIBLE cd of his, check it
>> out, brand new.
>

So who plays on it?  I heard a great large ensemble piece on the radio the
other night that was supposed to be new, but the DJ only announced it as
Cecil with a few of his regulars (William Parker, maybe?) and "a bunch of
European guys."  Is that it?

Jim



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// Jim Kan / [e-mail] / [e-mail]
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From: Manny <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masonna, Chil Coupdetat, Rake sale
Date: 24 May 1996 05:10:18 -0400 (EDT)


Hi folks - I have three items for sale:

Masonna "Mademoiselle Anne Sanglante ou Notre Symphonie Aureole"
   5-inch record on Alleysweeper
   most likely out of print already   $5

Children Coup D'Etat "Masochistic Instruments" CD on Bloody Butterfly
    Japanese excellent prog-noise-rock (a little like Dog Faced Hermans)
    see article about them in Mason Jones' Ongaku Otaku 'zine
     $15              (from 1991)

Rake - Art Ensemble of Rake/The Tell-Tale Moog double CD    $12

reply to-
[e-mail]

thanks.



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From: Ricardo Wang <[e-mail]>
Subject: Oly Exp Fest Web Page
Date: 24 May 1996 19:15:20 -0700 (PDT)


The Oly Experimental Music Festival now has a Web Page under construction at:

http://www.mashell.com/~zzajdr/schedule.htm

MAY 27TH, 28TH, & 29TH AT THE MIDNIGHT SUN (113 N. COLUMBIA)

KAOS 89.3 FM Olympia & the Olympia Strange Music Society Present:

THE SECOND ANNUAL OLYMPIA EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL

Music starts promptly at 7 PM each night, $8 at the door, 3 day passes are
available for $20 by calling [phone].

The line-up is as follows:

Monday, May 27th 7 PM:

Rotcod & Kramtones from Olympia
Circular Firing Squad from SF
Joseph Zitt from Austin interpretted by the RC Combo from Olympia
Malaise from Olympia/Tokyo
Lab Rat from Seattle
Hands To from Phoenix
Blowhole from Phoneix/Seattle


Tuesday, May 28th

Intonarumori from Seattle
Leslie Q from Olympia
Sirvix from SF
Old Time Relijun from Olympia
Steve Lobdell from Portland
Mr. Pharmacist from Portland
Ed Chang/Blindfold from Portland


Wednesday, May 29th

Gangula Stretch form Olympia
Sue Ann Harkey and Paul Hoskin from Seattle
Whamo! from Portland/Olympia
That Stupid Club from Olypia/Seattle
Miss Murgatroid from Portland
Climax Golden Twins from Seattle
Noggin form Bellingham/Portland

All proceeds from the festival after rent go to the artists who are
travelling from out of town to help cover expenses.  The Midnight Sun is
a SMALL room with very good acoustics, so advance passes are reccomended
because due to the number of musicians involved who'll want to watch the
show, we may have to turn away some folks at the door (we didn't last
year, but a full day has been added and the reputation is one year
bigger.)  There has been some confusion about the nature of this festival
that needs to be cleared up: although many of the acts might be referred
to as "noise bands" this is not a "noise festival", there will be some
rather quiet performances, similarly although many of the artists may
choose to improvise, this is not an "improv festival" as some will
perform prepared/composed material. This is an experimental music
festival, as the name implies and will therefore contain many different
approaches to sound generation.

For More Informantion e-mail: [e-mail]
or Phone: [phone]

Please forward this message to anyone who might be interested.










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From: [e-mail] (Josef Burgstaller)
Subject: 5th CD from Meridian Arts Ensemble features American composers
Date: 25 May 1996 22:02:00 PST

Hi...

Just wanted to let you all know that the Meridian Arts Ensemble's (brass quintet
and percussion) latest CD, "Five", was released last week.  It'll take
the usual
1-2 months to filter through into the stores, so if you don't want to
wait until then,
you can order direct from us at the address at the bottom of this post.


"Five" - (CCS 9496) (Channel Classics)

The MeridiansÆ 5th and latest CD, played by 5 musicians, with music by 5
American composers, including a 5 movement work entitled Take Five,
showcases
a wide range of contemporary music.

-Stephen BarberÆs "Gone is the River" (4 movements) employs, among
others,
the South African Isicathamiya style popularized on Paul SimonÆs
Graceland by
Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

-David SampsonÆs "Morning Music" is already a staple in the quintet
repertoire.  Written for his late brother.

-Ira Taxin's "Fanfare" is a short, psychotic fanfare.

-Jan Radzynski's "Take Five" is a 20 minute, 5 movement piece, playing on
many different styles, mixing humor and seriousness.

-Peter Robles' "Finale Rounds" is a 15 minute, 3 movement work, written
in a
contemporary and aggresive idiom.


CDs can be purchased directly or through your local record stores.
Mail Order prices are $17 ($23 international). All prices include
shipping and handling:
To order directly from the MAE, please send check or international money
order payable to Meridian Arts Ensemble to:

Meridian Arts Ensemble
attn: Raymond G. Stewart
PO Box 845 Ansonia Station
New York, NY 10023-0845, USA


For more information on the
Meridian Arts Ensemble,
our web site address is
http://www.pi.net/~fg


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From: [e-mail] (Josef Burgstaller)
Subject: Meridian Arts Ensemble to perform June 6th in Long Beach
Date: 28 May 1996 22:39:40 PST

Just wanted to say hi and let you know the Meridian Arts Ensemble (brass
quintet and percussion) will be performing on June 6th (next week!),
8:40 p.m. at the Carpenter Center at Cal State Long Beach as part of
Brassfest II.

In case you're in the area, but not planning to go to the whole
Brassfest, I was informed recently that they'll be selling tickets at
the door for $20.

If you're interested, we'll be playing a wide variety of music:
"Sonata" -Scarlatti
"Sarabande" -Debussy
"Zen Monkey"  -Grabois  (our horn player)
"Brass Quintet" -Pierson (commisioned for us by Chamber Music America)
"Vroom" , "One-time" - King Crimson
"Fanfare for Nothing", "Sleepless" - Jon Nelson (our other trumpeter)
"Lullaby" - Burgstaller (me)
"Koh-ska" - Stewart (our tubist)
"Crunch" -Ferrari (our percussionist)
"Mango del Monte" -Melendez
"Some Skunk Funk" - Brecker
then the following Zappa pieces in segue
"Lumpy Gravy", "Marqueson's Chicken", "Pygmy Twylyte", "Hungry Freaks
Daddy", "King Kong", "Black Page drum solo", "Black Page"


best,
joe burgstaller, trumpet, MAE

p.s. look us up on the web at http://www.pi.net/~fg