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movies-digest          Tuesday, June 12 2001          Volume 02 : Number 335



Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?
[MV] Australia - the movie-land?
Re: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl?
Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?
Re: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl?
Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?
[MV] Australia - the movie-land?
Re: [MV] Men of honor - 2000
Re: [MV] Wonder Boys - 2000
Re: [MV] Men of honor - 2000
[MV] The X-Files - 1998
Re: [MV] Men of honor - 2000
Re: [MV] The X-Files - 1998
[MV] Men of honor - 2000
[MV] Life is Beautiful
RE: [MV] Life is Beautiful
RE: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"?
Re: [MV] Life is Beautiful
RE: [MV] Life is Beautiful
Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?
Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?
Re: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"?
[MV] True communist movie?
[MV] The true Jewish movie
[MV] True English movie?
[MV] Jeremy Irons - Frenchman?
[MV] Mila Jovovich and the NY policeman?

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:42:12 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

At 11:09 PM 6/8/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Oh come on ... You're exaggerating, Mel ... How many films
>are made in Australia each year ??  Not that many ... The
>matrix 2 and 3, MI2, Pitch Black, The dish, Siam Sunset ...
>etc.  The bulk of the films are made in the USA and Canada
>... now we get plenty of american films that are made here
>in Canada because it saves the studio money ...


What, me exaggerate??  Never:-)

But seriously, the studios are looking towards Australia for the same
reason they look to Vancouver and Toronto, to save money.  Plus, unless you
are shooting a Christmas movie, the weather usually co-operates.

I mean, Uncle Rupert built a huge soundstage, etc for his Fox Studios, as
he plans on making more and more films there.  And most of the other
studios are at least considering following suit.

Regards,

- --Mel



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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

- --- Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]> wrote:
> What, me exaggerate??  Never:-)

**** ;-)
>
> But seriously, the studios are looking towards Australia
> for the same
> reason they look to Vancouver and Toronto, to save money.
>  Plus, unless you
> are shooting a Christmas movie, the weather usually
> co-operates.
>

**** Don't forget Montreal, COMPADRE !  All 3 cities get
some major motion pictures deals ... De Niro, Cage, Willis,
Washington, Freeman, Stallone etc. They all made movies
here recently, and Affleck was here making one just a
couple of weeks ago ... ;-)  I admit that the land of OZ
sure looks like a wonderful (and magical) place to shoot a
movie ... ;-)

> I mean, Uncle Rupert built a huge soundstage, etc for his
> Fox Studios, as
> he plans on making more and more films there.  And most
> of the other
> studios are at least considering following suit.
> > Regards,
> > --Mel

**** Good point *there* ... I would place Australia in the
Top 5 as I said ... Maybe you'll get more and more "action"
in the future ...
HooRoo !
Marc ;-)


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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 09:20:57 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl?

Dear Marc ...

Marc Desbiens wrote:

> **** Yes, it is never seen but it is assumed that he killed
> her ... or I assumed he did !
>
> Careful with your choice of words there, man ... "had her"
> .. "experienced her" ...
>
> I mean ... come on !
>
> Cheers !
>
> Marc ;-)

... you forget I am not a native English speaker. But, I am kind-a
puzzled. What's wrong with "had her"? Too possessive? Or "experienced
her"? Too liberal? Nowadays women are progressively being involved in
"emancipation of women", thus, these colloquials may be appropriate for
those women that chose the highest possible privacy: mating with the
invisible man. Wow! In such cases they do not need to worry if they are
going to be seen "with someone" and they still get a "sustainable
quantity" of satisfaction. However, in this case it proves to be fatal
... which could lead to yet another assumption: there has to be
"emancipation of men" too. If such emancipation existed, the scenario
of the "Invisible man" could'ave been totally different?

(movie that deals with "emancipation of women": "Tootsie" and beautiful
role of Dustn Hoffman)

Luv,
Guv


>
>
> --- [e-mail] wrote:
> > Q:    In the movie called "the invisible man", what
> > happened to the girl (neighbor) - the victim of the
> > invisible man, after he "had" her? Did he murder his
> > neighbor after "experiencing" her?
> >
> > Luv,
> > Guv
> >
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 09:39:24 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

Hi Mel.

Mel Eperthener wrote:

> At 08:45 PM 6/8/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> >Q:    Is it true that Australia tends to become one of the
> >major film industries country?
>
> Tends to??  Tends to??  We're already there, mate:-)
>
> And to me, a good indication are all the great Aussie movies that have been
> ripped off as tepid Yank remakes:-)  Everything from The Road Warrior
> (remade as the film... well, I hate to say it Gav, but you are definitely
> in a minority in liking it..... Waterworld.... almost scene for scene) to
> Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.  (I don't care if you are a raging
> homophobe {not that there is anything wrong with that:-)}, you still have
> to see it... and much better than To Wong Foo...) to Me Myself I (obviously
> where Family Man got the idea) and so many in the interim.
>

Here in Yugoslavia most of the movies nowadays are ... american! Some are from
the other countries (french or italian movies), but predominantly we see
Hollywood products. That's why perhaps very little is known of the "down under"
film production and something should be done to improve the relationship
between Australia and Yugoslavia as far as the film industry is concerned?
There are many "fresh" (new) yugoslav movies that (I can bet) have not been
seen in Australia yet.

As to "Road warrior", well ... it was one of the "most liberal" movie that was
shot at that time! And one could see that it was an "omen" that could be
applied to the current ecological situation in the world: not enough fuel, but
not because there isn't any, it is because the ozone layer is seriously
depleted! (one could do a remake of the "Road warrior" and make Mel Gibson put
some heavy factor protection on his skin or wear a totally masked uniform
againts the UV sun-rays?; I am not saying that he would accept such offer ...
but getting a sun-tan today's almost like getting a sun-burn!)


> Additionally, both the Star Wars series and the Matrix series are/have been
> filming extensively there, and M:I-2 was even set there.
>

What's M:I-2? Are Aussies for SF and fantasy field? Do they feel "hurt" for not
participating in the "Lord of the Rings" spectacle? (or I am mistaken here?)

> And that is just off the top of my head.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Mel
>
> Mel Eperthener
>
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> Glenshaw, PA 15116      Pittsburgh, PA 15223
>
> [phone]
>
>

Mel, out of sheer curiosity, what do you do in the "Lizard of Oz" Video? I
mean, who named a firm that way? (why lizard?)

Luv,
Guv


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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 06:58:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl?

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> ... you forget I am not a native English speaker. But, I
> am kind-a
> puzzled. What's wrong with "had her"? Too possessive? Or
> "experienced
> her"? Too liberal?

**** Mmmmmm ... I felt these expressions were inappropriate
considering what happened in the movie... i.e. a rape !
But since english is not your first language, I'll let it
slide, no worries !  "Experienced her" is certainly not
something you would hear everyday !
Cheers !
Marc ;-)




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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:52:24 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

At 09:39 AM 6/9/2001 +0200, [e-mail] wrote:
>Here in Yugoslavia most of the movies nowadays are ... american! Some are from
>the other countries (french or italian movies), but predominantly we see
>Hollywood products. That's why perhaps very little is known of the "down
>under"
>film production and something should be done to improve the relationship
>between Australia and Yugoslavia as far as the film industry is concerned?
>There are many "fresh" (new) yugoslav movies that (I can bet) have not been
>seen in Australia yet.


I am sure there are.  Heck, The Dish isn't even widely available in this
bastion of internationalism where I find myself exiled:-)  But the Yanks
are shooting more and more movies overseas, in part to get the more exotic
locals, but also to cut labour costs.

Even Croc Dundee 3 had an Eastern European plot point to it.



> > Additionally, both the Star Wars series and the Matrix series are/have been
> > filming extensively there, and M:I-2 was even set there.
> >
>
>What's M:I-2?


Mission: Impossible 2


>  Are Aussies for SF and fantasy field?


Not especially, but I think more and more are being shot there because
there are such exotic locals.  Parts of the Outback could easily pass for
an alien planet.

>Do they feel "hurt" for not
>participating in the "Lord of the Rings" spectacle? (or I am mistaken here?)


Well, it is in New Zealand.  Like the Canadians, they have very little
culture of their own :-)  (ducks and covers), and think of themselves as
pseudo-Aussies.



>Mel, out of sheer curiosity, what do you do in the "Lizard of Oz" Video? I
>mean, who named a firm that way? (why lizard?)


Long story about the name:-)  It is memorable, tho.  In the shop, we rent
videos, like any other video store, but we also sell Australian Rules
Football merchandise on the net.  (And **I** named the store... why do you
ask???:-)

Regards,

- --Mel



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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

- --- Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Well, it is in New Zealand.  Like the Canadians, they
> have very little
> culture of their own :-)  (ducks and covers), and think
> of themselves as
> pseudo-Aussies.

**** Oh please ... (Rolling my eyes back !) .. This might
be true for english canadians ... but as a french canadian
I can say this is ludicrous !  You can tell in 2 seconds
that we're not like the Yanks .. Heck, we speak french
*here* buddy ... only a "detail" ... The culture here is
100% different and distinct compared to the US.  I know
aussies are very patriotic (AUSSIE OI !!) but that doesn't
mean they are better than everyone else, including the
Seppos or Canucks ...
Au revoir !
Marc ;-)



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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:54:14 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Men of honor - 2000

At 02.41 PM 06/06/2001 -0700, Marc Desbiens wrote:
>All the white men presented in this film are racist pigs
>basically except for De Niro (In part !) and Rapaport ...
>a bit hard to believe that 98% of the white men at that
>time were treating black citizens like dirt, using the "N"
>word, making death threats, etc.   Isn't that "reversed"
>racism against white folks ??

Oh, you would be surprised.  Just like the Brits in The Patriot, crys of
"unfair" are rather unfounded, and if anything, there were things that
happened in the military that make what happened in this movie tame by
comparison.

Notice how most of the people that really gave Cuba a hard time had a
southern accent??  At the time, especially in the "Good Ol Boy" networks in
the military and other institutions, racism was not only prevelant, but
even expected.

No, it wasn't that bad everywhere, and it wasn't every white person, but
treatment like this was almost expected by anyone that broke the colour
barrier.  Just look at Jackie Robinson, who did it in baseball (heaps of
movies about that), or worse yet, the second black baseball player (who
didn't have the support system and backing that Robinson did).  The
Hispanics had it even worse, cause no one wanted them to play.  (One of the
first, and best, Hispanics to ever play that game, Roberto Clemente, still
doens't get the respect he deserves).

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:10:01 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Wonder Boys - 2000

At 01.02 PM 05/06/2001 -0700, Marc Desbiens wrote:
>
>
>***** Marc  ;-)   ** Some spoilers **
>
>
>**** I agree the film was a bit depressing when it started
>but then it got better along the way ...

Well, I am biased, because I thought this was a great film, and felt it was
rooked at the Oscars by not even getting a nomination.  But I thought the
film was a masterpiece from the very first scene.

Also, I am biased because the film was shot around here, set around here,
and the writer went to University in the area.  (I know people that know
him.  Not well.  But still it is a nice claim:-)  Also, the writer, Mr
Chabon, won a Pulitizer for his follow-up book, The Adventures of Cavilier
and Klay.  (Not sure of the spelling, and I am too lazy to go back on the
bookshelf and see what the name is)

Also, the DVD has some bonus features that give you some background into
the characters and the setting.  It explains some of the less-obvious stuff
they were striving for.  Every character here was on a journey, looking for
something.  They all had bridges to cross.  The movie was shot in a city
famous for it's bridges (only Venice, Italy has more), and bridges feature
promanently in the movie.


Also, the humour is there, but is not hit-over-the-head humour, like in
most modern comedies.  It was subtle.  It was dark, but not too dark, like
American Beauty or Fargo.  As a matter of fact, to me this movie was the
lighter side of American Beauty.

>>
>
>> But from then on things just totally picked up, and at
>> about the
>> halfway point, it suddenly struck me that I was
>> absolutely in love
>> with these characters.  Every single character here is so
>> well
>> thought out and beautiful in their own way;

Oh, without a doubt.  They are just so deep.
>
>
>**** I liked everyone except Downey Jr., his off screen
>antics were influencing me, such a shame because he is
>talented ...

But Downey is such a tremendous actor. He does everything he is in well,
straight or strung-out.  Unfortunately, he does not do well outside of the
soundstage.

For two hours, tho, I was able to forget that this is one seriously
screwed-up individual.

>even the
>> small roles
>> sparkle, like the transvestite that Robert Downey Jr.
>> picks up on the
>> airplane -- a character that initially looked like a
>> two-dimensional
>> caricature, but who in the end turned out to be charming
>> and sad and
>> weary and wise all at the same time.  Just beautiful.
>

And that all comes from the (novel) writing.  Chabon is a literary genius.
(And is younger than me [actually, about the same age], and has already won
a Pulitizer.  How much better will he get??)  I would even go so far as
saying this is the best adaptation of a novel I have ever seen, and he is
directly responsible for the deep character development.

>.  Michael Douglas has gained new
>> respect in my
>> eyes after taking this role; he allows himself a
>> vulnerability that
>> I've never before seen in him, and needless to say the
>> movie benefits
>> immensely from it.

Douglas also had a great turn in Traffic, playing someone completely
opposite his character here.  Matter of fact, I think Douglas could have
won an Oscar for either role.  McDormand also had two strong performances
last year.  And McGuire and Downey each could have laid claim to the
Supporting Actor nod.

I think this movie suffered not only from the release schedule (movies this
good do NOT come out in Feburary.  This is a December movie), but also
because everyone here did such a great acting job, and in some cases, also
did a great job in another movie.  Effectively, they split the vote for
themselves when it was time to nominate performances.

(snip discussion of the other performers, as I have already addressed them)

>and Robert
>> Downey Jr.
>> lights up the screen every time he graces the camera with
>> his
>> presence.
>
>
>**** Lights up as in "tilted" like a pinball machine ?  ;-)

See, I would have gone fo the joke something like "is that lights up, or
lit up??":-)


>> I simply can't say enough good things about this movie.

YOU can't say enough about this movie??  Mate, I have been talking about it
for MONTHS now:-)

>> I'll list
>> one more and then stop, so as not to risk turning into a
>> pile of mush
>> right here.  This film has one of those senses of humor
>> that creeps
>> up behind you and tickles the hair on the back of your
>> neck instead
>> of bludgeoning you over the head.  I can't remember
>> laughing as much
>> at a movie in a long time.

Yep.  That is one of my favourite things about the movie (and something I
mentioned at the very beginning of this post)

>
>
>**** I laughed a few times ... I wouldn't say it was a very
>funny movie overall though ... watching downey running
>after those pages was sumthin' else ... also Douglas
>calling that black guy "Vernon" all the time and trying to
>get away from him ... Dead dog in the trunk of the car ...
>;-)
>

Marc, Marc, Marc.... you gotta let yourself go, get lost in the moment
here, buddy.  The humour is subtle, it might not hit you until five minutes
later, or even the next day, why such and such was just so funny.  And like
Fargo, the humour was quite regional, too.  The movie was set here, and the
characters are based on people the author knew (and some that I know).
There were, quite deservedly, taken down a peg or two, and that is what
hekped make this movie enjoyable to me.

>
>> Ah hell, I can't stop.  The dialogue, the acting, the
>> characters, the
>> humor (am I sounding redundant yet?), the situations, the
>> emotions,
>> the music, *everything* ... I LOVED this film.
>> Absolutely bloody
>> fantastic.
>

Gotta agree with all of this here:-)

>**** Good review Gauti, I liked the film but not as much as
>you did obviously. 3.5/5
>Marc  ;-)

Sorry, Marc, but I am on the verge of giving this movie 5 out of 5.  It is
one of those rare films that works for me.  The only reason I have not put
this in my top-10 movies list, is that means taking something else out:-)
I'll get around to that eventually, tho, maybe after I have seen this movie
three or four dozen times more.

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Men of honor - 2000

- --- Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Oh, you would be surprised.  Just like the Brits in The
> Patriot, crys of
> "unfair" are rather unfounded, and if anything, there
> were things that
> happened in the military that make what happened in this
> movie tame by
> comparison.

*** Thanks for the input !! Since I am fairly young I
haven't been exposed to a lot of these issues ... World War
II, racism in the US Army, etc.  Most people around here
are more tolerant anyway, or at least it is not as apparent
as in the movie where Cuba was going through a lot to
achieve his goal.
>

> Notice how most of the people that really gave Cuba a
> hard time had a
> southern accent??  At the time, especially in the "Good
> Ol Boy" networks in
> the military and other institutions, racism was not only
> prevelant, but
> even expected.

**** I felt they exaggerated a bit by making him such a
"victim" but I wasn't there back in those days to see if it
was really *that bad* ... like that scene where all the
white folks say they don't want to sleep in the same room
for example .. and then they leave ??  Would they really
have ignored a direct order like that ??  DeNiro was asking
them to welcome the new recruit and then they act as if he
had said nothing ... Wouldn't they have been in MAJOR
trouble for being so disrespectful towards their superior
??
>

> No, it wasn't that bad everywhere, and it wasn't every
> white person, but
> treatment like this was almost expected by anyone that
> broke the colour
> barrier.  Just look at Jackie Robinson, who did it in
> baseball (heaps of
> movies about that), or worse yet, the second black
> baseball player (who
> didn't have the support system and backing that Robinson
> did).  The
> Hispanics had it even worse, cause no one wanted them to
> play.  (One of the
> first, and best, Hispanics to ever play that game,
> Roberto Clemente, still
> doens't get the respect he deserves).
> Regards,>
> --Mel

**** Good example there !! Yeah, it seems like a crucial
issue, especially in the States ... I thought you were in
Australia be-4 ??  Are you in the states ??
cheers !
Marc ;-)
>


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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The X-Files - 1998

Ok, I watched the X-Files movie tonight ...  and I was
fairly impressed, 3.5/5.

I thought it was a smart and entertaining science-fiction
film all the way through ... Good dialogues, acting,
special effects used appropriately, exciting action scenes.
 Contrarely to "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon"
I actually cared about the characters here and what would
happen to them.  (Poor lil' Scully ... snif !  ;-( ...  )

I have to admit that I had never seen an X-Files TV episode
before, so when I started watching the film I didn't even
know if David Duchovny's character was Mulder or if he was
Scully ... and vice versa with Gillian Anderson, Is she
Mulder or Scully ?? Scully or Mulder ?? ... Shame on me but
at least I found out while watching the movie ! hehe !  ;-)

The story was interesting ... It started with a bomb being
planted in a huge building to destroy some evidence related
to the presence of ALIENS on Earth of course.  The blown
up building kind of looked like the Alfred P. Murrah
(spelling ?) building in Oklahoma City after McVeigh,
Nichols and company bombed it though ...

I felt it was a bit inappropriate to use this kind of twist
in a movie, they could have thought of something else after
all. Nothing *major* but I thought I would mention it since
it bothered me a little.

I was intrigued by the story and felt it was material
produced by "smart" people ... more intriguing than a lot
of other sci-fi films produced each year ...

I have complaints about the sound though, the film was
extremely loud in part and then when the characters were
talking it was hard to understand what they were saying
because of that ...

Marc   ;-)

=====
" Look - I'm here with my partner and 9 other people,
see, and we're dying, man ... You're gonna see our brains
on the sidewalk - They're gonna spill our guts out ...
Now you're gonna show that on television - Have all the housewives look at that instead of 'As the world turns' -
I mean what have you got for me ?  I want something for that ... "

Al Pacino as "Sonny"  -  "Dog day afternoon"  (1975)

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:01:05 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Men of honor - 2000

At 11:40 AM 6/9/2001 -0700, Marc Desbiens wrote:
>*** Thanks for the input !! Since I am fairly young I
>haven't been exposed to a lot of these issues ... World War
>II, racism in the US Army, etc.  Most people around here
>are more tolerant anyway, or at least it is not as apparent
>as in the movie where Cuba was going through a lot to
>achieve his goal.


Well, since I gave the Canadians such a hard time before (and Marc, please
understand... it was a JOKE!!!  Some of my best friends are Canadian.  Of
course, one of them lives in WinterPeg, so he really doesn't have any
culture... :-), now I must defend them.

Most Canadians I talk to cannot fathom racism (at least against
blacks/African-Americans.... Native Americans/Canadians/Injuns are another
story entirely) because it simply has never existed north of the
border.  Going all the way back to the US Civil War and earlier (the
Underground Railroad), many escaped slaves headed to Canada because it was
one of the few places they were accepted.  (Even in the northern US states,
where slavery was illegal, the escaped slaves didn't have any rights, and
could even be treated as property, and returned to their "masters")

So, I fully understand why you couldn't believe the movie was anywhere near
what they protrayed.  (and yes, there was a lot of artistic licence taken),
simply because this has NEVER been a part of Canadian culture.


>**** I felt they exaggerated a bit by making him such a
>"victim" but I wasn't there back in those days to see if it
>was really *that bad* ... like that scene where all the
>white folks say they don't want to sleep in the same room
>for example .. and then they leave ??  Would they really
>have ignored a direct order like that ??  DeNiro was asking
>them to welcome the new recruit and then they act as if he
>had said nothing ... Wouldn't they have been in MAJOR
>trouble for being so disrespectful towards their superior
>??


Well, it was exaggerated, but not by much.  Most likely, no superior
officer would take action against a racist, because there would be a good
ol southern boy above him that would take the side of the racist recruits.

Besides, in the movie, no one had any respect to begin with for DeNiro's
character.  So, his pull with his own troops would be minimal, at
best.  Also, never underestimate the herd mentality in people, especially
those in some sort of organisation, like the military.




>**** Good example there !! Yeah, it seems like a crucial
>issue, especially in the States ... I thought you were in
>Australia be-4 ??  Are you in the states ??


Nope, I am an Australian living in "exile" in the States.  Have not been
back home in far too long, about time for a trip across the big pond.

Regards,

- --Mel



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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:12:11 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The X-Files - 1998

Well, Marc, it looks like we are the only two with anything to say:-)

At 06:09 PM 6/9/2001 -0700, Marc Desbiens wrote:

>Ok, I watched the X-Files movie tonight ...  and I was
>fairly impressed, 3.5/5.


I wasn't going to bother responding here (nothing personal, just wanted to
give someone else a chance), but ironically, I watched this movie myself
today.  Funny, that.  Have not watched it in years, and suddenly we watch
it the same day.



>I thought it was a smart and entertaining science-fiction
>film all the way through ... Good dialogues, acting,
>special effects used appropriately, exciting action scenes.
>  Contrarely to "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon"
>I actually cared about the characters here and what would
>happen to them.  (Poor lil' Scully ... snif !  ;-( ...  )


Well, the producers/writers/directors/et al faced quite a challenge
here.  How to make this movie interesting for the true fan, the ubergeek
that has every bit of dialogue memorised, yet include the person that had
never ever seen the movie, and had no idea who these people were, and why
you should care about what happens to them.


>The story was interesting ... It started with a bomb being
>planted in a huge building to destroy some evidence related
>to the presence of ALIENS on Earth of course.  The blown
>up building kind of looked like the Alfred P. Murrah
>(spelling ?) building in Oklahoma City after McVeigh,
>Nichols and company bombed it though ...
>I felt it was a bit inappropriate to use this kind of twist
>in a movie, they could have thought of something else after
>all. Nothing *major* but I thought I would mention it since
>it bothered me a little.


Now, don't quote me on the timeline here, but I believe this was at least
planned before Oklahoma City.  I know one movie (might have been Arlington
Road) had its release date changed because it either was too soon after the
bombing, or was due around either an anniversary or a major development in
McVeigh's court case.  I do know there was some serious concern about
including this, but it was so intergral to the plot, there was little way
around including it.


>I have complaints about the sound though, the film was
>extremely loud in part and then when the characters were
>talking it was hard to understand what they were saying
>because of that ...


But it seems that EVERY movie is like that anymore.  I saw this in the
theatre on opening night, and recall it being quite loud.  Even today (I
was working whilst it was on), I didn't follow it that closely, but it did
seem to emphasise the action and noise.

I am wondering, did you watch this on video or DVD??  I would think the DVD
would be even worse, especially if you have it hooked up to surround sound.

Regards,

- --Mel



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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Men of honor - 2000

- --- Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Well, since I gave the Canadians such a hard time
before
> (and Marc, please
> understand... it was a JOKE!!!  Some of my best friends
> are Canadian.  Of
> course, one of them lives in WinterPeg, so he really
> doesn't have any
> culture... :-), now I must defend them.


*** hehe !! Mmmmm ... Well, Winnipeg, that's a different
story ... You should have been more precise ... ;-)   Our
culture here in Quebec is completely different from the
rest of Canada as you probably know ... heck, why do you
think we have all those issues here about "separating" from
the rest of Canada, we hardly have anything in common ...
french/english issues, etc.  Whenever I go to Ontario
(Which is rare !) I feel like I am in a different country
myself, a lil' uncomfortable ... and the people there often
are reminding me I am not really welcome there by being
slightly rude, rolling their eyes back *even* if I talk in
english to them in businesses, restaurants, it's pretty
clear they don't like frenchies !! etc.  I am bilingual but
you can tell when I talk that I wasn't born in TORONTO !!
hehe !!  ;-)
>

> Most Canadians I talk to cannot fathom racism (at least
> against
> blacks/African-Americans.... Native
> Americans/Canadians/Injuns are another
> story entirely) because it simply has never existed north
> of the
> border>

**** Oh, I'm sure there is some racism here but I am always
surprised how in The states it seems to be soooooooo
crucial, Black and white issues ... For example over there
when describing a trial procedure, they would say that a
jury is composed of 5 Blacks, 5 Whites, 2 hispanics ...
bla-bla ... as if that would determine in advance how they
would vote ... here those details would not be mentioned
...
>
>
> Well, it was exaggerated, but not by much.  Most likely,
> no superior
> officer would take action against a racist, because there
> would be a good
> ol southern boy above him that would take the side of the
> racist recruits.

**** Yeah, good point there ... DeNiro's superior was
clearly a racist so he was kind of stuck ...
>

> Besides, in the movie, no one had any respect to begin
> with for DeNiro's
> character.  So, his pull with his own troops would be
> minimal, at
> best.  Also, never underestimate the herd mentality in
> people, especially
> those in some sort of organisation, like the military.
>

**** Well, they were following his orders the rest of the
time if I recall ... this was the only time they were all
disrespectful and refused to do what he asked for ...
>

> Nope, I am an Australian living in "exile" in the States.
>  Have not been
> back home in far too long, about time for a trip across
> the big pond.
> > Regards,
> > --Mel

**** I know a girl who lives in a Melbourne suburb, seems
like a SWELL place to live !!
Hoo Roo !
Marc  ;-)


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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:12:21 -0400
From: Gene Ehrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Life is Beautiful

We finally got to see Life Is Beautiful on cable last night and now realize
what all the raving was about. It was a truly great film.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:01:42 -0400
From: "Dave Bower" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Life is Beautiful

Sun, Jun 10, 2001, 01:59 PM

Frankly, I was disappointed with it.  Perhaps I was expecting too much.

Spending two hours watching someone pretend that everything was O.K. when it
was not was not my idea of an inspiring movie.

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We finally got to see Life Is Beautiful on cable last night and now realize
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:13:11 -0400
From: "Dave Bower" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"?

Sun, Jun 10, 2001, 02:10 PM

Yes it is!

You can lift a car using a 1.5 V battery.  The electromagnet needs to be
designed in a very efficient (and large) manner.  Many turns of thin wire
are required and the core is made of "permalloy" instead of iron.

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Subject: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"?


Q:    Is it really possible to make a magnet
(electro-magnet) out of coiled wire and open the door of
the refrigerator in the movie "the invisible man"?
Wouldn't that girl (in the regrigerator) get electric
shock just by touching such great voltage and wouldn't a
wounded man behind her fall into a coma due to his wound
and low temperature?

Lav,
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:39:15 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Life is Beautiful

Funny thing is, the film was described by some circles as hollywood's kind of
foreign film. supposedly because its a feel good movie.

I don't know what these snobs are, but they sound like jerks if you ask me.



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> what all the raving was about. It was a truly great film.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:43:47 -0500
From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Life is Beautiful

At 2:01 PM -0400 6/10/01, Dave Bower wrote:
>Frankly, I was disappointed with it.  Perhaps I was expecting too much.
>
>Spending two hours watching someone pretend that everything was O.K. when it
>was not was not my idea of an inspiring movie.

I thought it was wonderful.  Shows us all that life is a declaration
and a creation.  It was one of the most inspiring movies I've ever
seen.  Truly beautiful!  I'm sorry you didn't like it.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:13:32 +0200
From: "BOB STEN" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

check out the figure from bollywood

though not necessarily the movies


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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:39:31 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land?

Figure from Hollywood? What figure? Where?

Luv,
Guv

BOB STEN wrote:

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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:41:19 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"?

Do all members need to have that bottom part with the address?

Lav,
Gav

(I don't have my "quote", but it would probably be from the Bladerunner: "... I
have seen things, you, people wouldn't belive ... heh ...")


Dave Bower wrote:

> Sun, Jun 10, 2001, 02:10 PM
>
> Yes it is!
>
> You can lift a car using a 1.5 V battery.  The electromagnet needs to be
> designed in a very efficient (and large) manner.  Many turns of thin wire
> are required and the core is made of "permalloy" instead of iron.
>
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> She went twice.
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> From: [e-mail]
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> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"?
>
> Q:    Is it really possible to make a magnet
> (electro-magnet) out of coiled wire and open the door of
> the refrigerator in the movie "the invisible man"?
> Wouldn't that girl (in the regrigerator) get electric
> shock just by touching such great voltage and wouldn't a
> wounded man behind her fall into a coma due to his wound
> and low temperature?
>
> Lav,
> Gav
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:24:09 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] True communist movie?

Q:    What movie would portray "true communist" ideology?
(one with Marlon Brando or with Mr. Nick Nolte?; maybe
Bruce Lee films were "pure commie" ideology: fight for
your rights and fight it wright now!?)

Lav,
Gav

P.S.
In the "Hunt for Red October" when the Russian crew starts
to sing in that sub ...  oh, man ... that Aussie almost
melted? (or maybe I am wrong?; maybe that lizard of an
actor is just a "slime" with no true identity?; excuse me
for "flaming"; Jurassaic park was a total blow as well,
but not just because of him; boy, am I flaming today;
maybe it's because I am listening to Moby's "The greatest
hits 2000"?)








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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:31:09 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] The true Jewish movie

Q:     Today, when Jews around the world need friends and
help much more then ever (or was there any "ever" for the
never-sleeping ones?), I am asking myself: was there ever
really some "true" Jewish film? What movie would be really
"jewish" (perhaps better word is "semitic"?) I liked "the
Stargate", but one could hardly see in that old (bald) man
a true leader of the "forsaken ones"? Or I am wrong? Maybe
that oldie-boldie with his stick does posses some "magic
powers" that would rise some pulse in a Jewish spectator?
(That scientist-with-glasses-who-feeds-strange- animals
did not look reassuring either)

        All right, so back to the main topic: HOW would
one "true" Jewish" movie look like? (if one was not shot
already; I mean the movie)




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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:42:04 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] True English movie?

Q:    What movie would be "true English"? I don't mean
anglo-saxon or some "WASP" beep-beep, but something like
"Gallipoli" or "The Chariots of Fire" where one can see
how bold was the director (the producer?) to show the
truth about knife-armed Englishmen running towards Turkish
machine-guns?

        There was one serial (or a long movie), but I
forgot its name. It was about tradesmen in the XIX century
who sailed for "profit" and at the end the "main figure"
buys white, beautiful sail trade-ship, one he always
dreamt of. I think there's Khachaturian, Aram Ilich's
(1903-1978) music in the background?

Luv,
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:44:04 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Jeremy Irons - Frenchman?

Q:    Is British (Briton?) actor - Jeremy Irons actually
French in his "blood"?

Luv,
Guv





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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:50:29 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Mila Jovovich and the NY policeman?

Q:    Did Joan d'Arc (Mila Jovovich) really slept with
that Irishman who "gave hell" to Arians in the "Nakatomo
building"? (if it wasn't for that blues-brother cop they
would all be ding-dong or at least in a hospital when that
Phoenix-Arian resurected himself at the end of the movie)

        So, did Mila Jovovich (the Fifth element lady)
"exchanged saliva" with Bruce Willis in reality? Whose
scenario is this?

Luv,
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