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movies-digest           Monday, June 4 2001           Volume 02 : Number 333



[MV] River Red - 1998
[MV] Pearl Harbour / The premiere
Re: [MV] Pearl Harbour / The premiere
[MV] Pearl Harbor / The premiere
Re: [MV] Pearl Harbor / The premiere
[MV] The best cost-to-benefit ratio of a movie?
[MV] Movies about Jews during WWII
[MV] Stargate: the genocide?
[MV] Robotized "one-man-show"?
[MV] Copyright of a screenshot?
[MV] How to shoot a movie with a "ticklish" scenario?
[MV] Croupier - 1998
Re: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?
Re: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?
Re: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?
[MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
[MV] The yards - 2000
[MV] Sue : Lost in Manhattan (1997)
Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
[MV] Godfather I - an insult to the Italians?
[MV] Requiem for a dream - 2000
Re: [MV] Godfather I - an insult to the Italians?
[MV] Lost souls - 2000
[MV] What films are worth paying for ...
Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
[MV] The "First blood": Rambo was a native indian?
[MV] TDK and Coca Cola spoiled the "Bladerunner"?
Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
[MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld"
[MV] Censored "Clockwork orange"?

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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] River Red - 1998

This is the best film you never heard of.   Tom Everett
Scott stars in this twisted tale of 2 brothers and how they
get rid of their abusive father ...

Tom is the older brother and he just can't stand it how his
father is mistreating him and especially his 17 years old
brother ... so he decides to take things into his own hands
one night and "do him in" ... He uses a big metal rod to
stab his father in the heart while he sleeps ... Then he
goes to wake up his brother and tell him what he did ...

The problem is Tom is an adult and if he is convicted he
will be in jail forever, so the brothers make this
agreement that they will tell the coppers it was the
younger brother who did it so he will only get a small
sentence in a juvenile facility.  They change clothes
because Tom's gear was all soaked in blood of course ...
The plan works and the younger brother is sentenced to 4
years ...

We then follow the life of the older brother mainly as he
struggles to make it, paying the bills, working odd jobs,
an occasional armed robbery (I was wondering how many
convenience stores there were in that county because he was
robbing so many !) ... He also meets a lovely young lass
during that time, but always feels guilty because he knows
he is the one who should be in jail ... rotting.

Surprisingly good especially if you like NASTY low budget
movies.  I was sometimes reminded of "Chuck & Buck" but the
ending is not as good.  I didn't know Tom was such a good
actor too, I think I only saw him in that silly "Werewolf
in Paris" movie ...

3.5/5

Respectfully submitted.

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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Pearl Harbour / The premiere

Hey, I was just watching a lil' bit of E.T.'s report on the
PEarl Harbour premiere ... is it really necessary ??

I thought it was too much, people having fun, fireworks,
flashy clothes, drinking and laughing ... It it
inappropriate to have such a premiere when the movie is
about such a tragedy, how many people died during that
attack ?? ... I doubt you saw that at the premieres of
other serious films like Schindler's list, Platoon, Full
metal jacket ... etc. etc.

They should have been more "reserved" and *respectful* but
of course since it's Hollywood they simply didn't care
about the victims and their families, just the "hype" is
important !  Bruckheimer was all smiles and Cuba Gooding
Jr. was goofing around, great !

How many photographs can you cramp in a single place, who
has the most revealing dress, helicopters, etc. ... Affleck
*tried* to talk about the victims but it was a rather weak
attempt.

Marc  ;-)

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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:52:06 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Pearl Harbour / The premiere

Pearl Harbori s not the war movie you think it is.  It's simply another
love story set in the Pearl Harbor attack.  It doesn't tackle with the
tragedy of war.

Is it appropriate? The United States Navy seem to think so.  I'm sure
the veterans who were treated as VIPs also liked seeing their story
portrayed in the movie.

I frankly don't see the need for your thread, as you don't seem to know
very much about the movie and are throwing criticsm off the cuff.

Dexter


Marc Desbiens wrote:

> Hey, I was just watching a lil' bit of E.T.'s report on the
> PEarl Harbour premiere ... is it really necessary ??
>
> I thought it was too much, people having fun, fireworks,
> flashy clothes, drinking and laughing ... It it
> inappropriate to have such a premiere when the movie is
> about such a tragedy, how many people died during that
> attack ?? ... I doubt you saw that at the premieres of
> other serious films like Schindler's list, Platoon, Full
> metal jacket ... etc. etc.
>
> They should have been more "reserved" and *respectful* but
> of course since it's Hollywood they simply didn't care
> about the victims and their families, just the "hype" is
> important !  Bruckheimer was all smiles and Cuba Gooding
> Jr. was goofing around, great !
>
> How many photographs can you cramp in a single place, who
> has the most revealing dress, helicopters, etc. ... Affleck
> *tried* to talk about the victims but it was a rather weak
> attempt.
>
> Marc  ;-)
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Pearl Harbor / The premiere

- --- Dexter Sy wrote:
> Pearl Harbori s not the war movie you think it is.

**** I know it's not a "traditional" war movie, don't worry
about me.

It's
> simply another
> love story set in the Pearl Harbor attack.

***** I find this a bit silly actually, if you have the
opportunity to make a film about such a huuuuuuuuge event
then why water it down with some romantic stuff, love
triangle ?  I won't go "ballistic" yet because I actually
liked the love story in "Titanic" for example ...

It doesn't
> tackle with the
> tragedy of war.

**** The film is called "Pearl harbor" and I'm sure the
attack is depicted in the movie, I saw some scenes, looked
pretty brutal ...
>
> Is it appropriate? The United States Navy seem to think
> so.  I'm sure
> the veterans who were treated as VIPs also liked seeing
> their story
> portrayed in the movie.

***** Well, if I was brought back to sunny Hawaii for free
and have the chance to meet all those stars I would be
smiling too.
>
> I frankly don't see the need for your thread, as you
> don't seem to know
> very much about the movie and are throwing criticsm off
> the cuff.
Dexter

**** I know just as much about this movie as anybody out
there, what are you talking about ??  You think you
surprised me by saying the war wasn't the main focus of the
film ??  hehe !  ;-)  A film dealing with a REAL tragedy
should be handled differently then one that is fictional
like "Armageddon" for example ... The premiere should
reflect that and show some respect for the people who
actually died when it happened.  Bruckheimer obviously
doesn't really care about that, only the money.
Marc  ;-)


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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:26:58 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Pearl Harbor / The premiere

> **** I know just as much about this movie as anybody out
> there, what are you talking about ??  You think you
> surprised me by saying the war wasn't the main focus of the
> film ??  hehe !  ;-)  A film dealing with a REAL tragedy
> should be handled differently then one that is fictional
> like "Armageddon" for example ... The premiere should
> reflect that and show some respect for the people who
> actually died when it happened.  Bruckheimer obviously
> doesn't really care about that, only the money.
> Marc  ;-)

Probably :)
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:14:37 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] The best cost-to-benefit ratio of a movie?

Q:    In today's history of the modern colored movies,
which movie had the best input-to-output ratio? What is
the definitive "master movie" that was shot at relatively
(or strictly - e.g. using a video camera like in the
"Blaire project: the witch") low price and made an
outstanding profit?

Lav,
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:54:55 +0200
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Subject: [MV] Movies about Jews during WWII

Q:    When a movie is shot with a topic of Jews during
during the WWII (like the "Schindler's list"), what do
"real", living Jews say about it? In other words, are
those movies a painful remainder of the bad past or the
encouragement to overcome the pain of the past and "never
to happen again" guidance philosophy? Moreover, are Jews
asked prior to shooting an authentic WWII movie? (who
would be the "true" representatives of one nation on the
planet: Jews in Israel or Jews in the USA?; whom to ask
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:48:22 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?

Q:    At the end of the american movie "Stargate" a
nuclear explosion blasts the spaceship-pyramid into
oblivion. However, in the previous scenes one could see
children around the alien-Pharaoh? So, in this nuclear
blast-out those kids got killed too?

Luv,
Guv






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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:05:35 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Robotized "one-man-show"?

Q:    With all the computer technology present, could one
buy or develop a robotized camera/angle machines and shoot
a movie by himself instead of relying on the "moody"
behavior of the cast? What is the cost-to-benefit ratio
when shooting a movie this way? In other words, what sort
of a movie can't be done with this "one-man-show"
automated film production?

Lav,
Gav





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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:09:52 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Copyright of a screenshot?

Q:    When one is shooting a movie, how can he be sure he
is not violating an existent copyright law for a certain
screenshot that resembles the "protected" one? In what
extent could one ask for the copyright law protection?
E.g. shooting a scene on the same area, say, Washington's
well-known cultural objects?

Luv,
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:00:15 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] How to shoot a movie with a "ticklish" scenario?

Q:    Since the USA has the most advanced technology for
shooting a good quality movie, how many possible movies
never saw the light of the day simply because of the
American censorship? In other words, if, for example, a
movie is glorifying Arabs or, say, Russians or Poles
during the WWI period, where on this "Internet" planet
could one shoot a good quality movie in case the USA holds
on to the strict censorship policy? UK? Maybe Australia?






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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Croupier - 1998

I saw Croupier the other day ... bizarre film, but I liked
it !!  3.5/5

Story of a weird guy working in a casino as a dealer ...
Clive Owen is slick and sure of himself, taking care of
business.  We get to meet his girlfriend, some of his
co-workers, one greek fellow that steals from the casino
and is always partying after work and a lil' brunette that
is a fellow dealer ... the casino manager, a few of the
customers ...

Not a whole lot happens in the film, it's mostly a
character development tale until one of the customers
becomes friends with the croupier and tries to get him to
cheat the casino out of money ...

In the meantime he is writing a book based on a dealer in a
casino so we never really know what is "real" and what is
not ... a bit strange !  Good twist near the end too ...

Good acting by everyone involved, excellent visuals too ...
I liked all the scenes in the casino that were well made
and interesting ... this is a film noir film (a "femme
fatale" is present !)

James Berardinelli picks this one as one of the best film
of the year 2000 and gives it a 3.5/4 ! (It was made in
1998 in Britain but as you know a film doesn't really
"exist" until it is presented in the US, hehe !)

3.5/5 seems more appropriate.

Respectfully submitted.

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:16:34 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?

Yes.

[e-mail] wrote:

> Q:    At the end of the american movie "Stargate" a
> nuclear explosion blasts the spaceship-pyramid into
> oblivion. However, in the previous scenes one could see
> children around the alien-Pharaoh? So, in this nuclear
> blast-out those kids got killed too?
>
> Luv,
> Guv
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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:54:26 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?

Is it in tradition of this discussion group to "thank" each time one
recieves an answer?

Luv,
Guv

P.S.
Thank you Dexter.

Dexter Sy wrote:

> Yes.
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Q:    At the end of the american movie "Stargate" a
> > nuclear explosion blasts the spaceship-pyramid into
> > oblivion. However, in the previous scenes one could see
> > children around the alien-Pharaoh? So, in this nuclear
> > blast-out those kids got killed too?
> >
> > Luv,
> > Guv
> >
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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:04:39 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Stargate: the genocide?

[e-mail] wrote:

> Is it in tradition of this discussion group to "thank" each time one
> recieves an answer?
>
> Luv,
> Guv
>
> P.S.
> Thank you Dexter.

Your very welcome.  I don't think its in the tradition we thank people each
time they respond.  Sometimes, if the response is hostile.  well, i think
Thank you would be the last thing to come to mind.


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Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:09:51 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?

Q:    In the american movie "Papillon" (the butterfly?),
why didn't Dustin Hoffman joined Steve McQueen on his
journey off the island (at the end of the movie)? Was
Dustin Hoffman acting as a budhist who believed in the
reincarnation or his "spirit joined" Steve McQueen on his
improvised coco-raft while his "body" stayed on an
island-prison?

Lav,
Gav




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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:04:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The yards - 2000

Alright, I just finished watching this film and it was
quite an ordeal ...

I give it a low 2.5/5, I was often hesitating between 2 and
2.5/5 but decided to be generous considering the strong
cast and the nice visuals too.

The problem is this film is slightly boring and/or
uninteresting so even someone like me who likes gangster
films wasn't really intrigued by this story ... I was often
reminded of "City Hall" with Pacino, Fonda, Sizemore (Was
he in that one ?) because both films have good actors but
the tale is simply not very "gripping" ... It's not awful
either at least, just very forgettable.

The story could have been told in 30 minutes but they take
nearly 2 hours to get to the painfully long ending.  Mark
Whalberg plays an ex-con who is looking for a job (I was
thinking of "Kiss of death" with David Caruso and Nicolas
Cage, another disappointing gangster film !)

He goes back home and soon asks a friend of his mother's
(James Caan with a mustache, hello !) who owns some kind of
company that does work for the railways.  The problem is
that company is crooked and often destroys the work of
other companies so they can get the contracts to do the
repairs in the future ... Joaquin Phoenix is in charge of
that part of the operation along with a group of so-called
thugs ... Seek and destroy.

Of course Whalberg gets in trouble as soon as he goes out
with Phoenix, someone gets killed, a cop is attacked ...
and I kept thinking : "I know it's going to be good soon
... I just need to be more patient !" ... unfortunately it
never really took off and I kept looking at the clock
wondering if it would ever end ...

Charlize Theron is also in the cast as Phoenix's love
interest.  The actors are all doing their best, it's the
script that lets them down as it never really hooked me ...
Some parts are right out of other films too, one scene
lifted directly from "Carlito's way" except in "The yards"
it is done in a less interesting way of course ...

FYI :

Roger Ebert :  3/4
James Berardinelli :  2/4

Marc ;-)

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Sue : Lost in Manhattan (1997)

Alright, a rainy day here so it was the perfect time to
watch this depressing film.

"Sue : Lost in Manhattan" (1997) ... 3.5/5 ... small budget
independant film with Anna Thomson  (Not Emma Thompson !)
in the lead ... It's a very good film too, worth seeing if
you like "nasty" movies but it certainly won't make you
feel good afterwards.

Simple story of a lady in her early 30's who is struggling
... she lost her job months ago and can't find
a new one no matter how hard she tries ... She is 3 months
behind in her rent and her landlord has given her an
ultimatum so she tries REALLY hard to find something,
anything ...

Mixed up in all this is her complicated sex life, she has a
boyfriend but he travels a lot and is in "need" all the
time ... she has real issues with sex, she can't get enough
of it no matter who she meets she wants to have sex with
them basically ...

For example once she goes to the movies and sees a man she
likes, less than 5 minutes later she is having sex with him
... She says that she struggles to hold a conversation with
someone so it's her way to communicate.  Once she meets an
old man in a park and he tells her that he would like to
see her breasts ... of course she complies within' seconds
displaying her impressive female charms as if it was
"normal" to do that in public ... (It's amusing to see the
old man's reaction as he is so pleased that she accepted to
do that !)

Character development tale, not a whole lot of story ...
It won some prizes in Berlin if I am correct. Anna Thomson
is impressive in the lead, I didn't know any of the other
actors but they were all appropriate ... Good dialogues,
etc.

3.5/5

Marc ;-)

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:29:21 +0100
From: "geeg23" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?

Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't escape
because he was old.......duhhh!!!
Yours
Gerry T.
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Subject: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?


> Q:    In the american movie "Papillon" (the butterfly?),
> why didn't Dustin Hoffman joined Steve McQueen on his
> journey off the island (at the end of the movie)? Was
> Dustin Hoffman acting as a budhist who believed in the
> reincarnation or his "spirit joined" Steve McQueen on his
> improvised coco-raft while his "body" stayed on an
> island-prison?
>
> Lav,
> Gav
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:10:00 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?

geeg23 wrote:

> Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't escape
> because he was old.......duhhh!!!
> Yours
> Gerry T.

As far as I can recollect (excuse my bad English), Steve was old too?
Huhhh?

I still don't see no reason (even for the "worn-outs") to "give it a try"
instead of pig-farming on a cookoo-nowhere island. I remember that those
scenes when a spark of doubt escapes Dustin's content character in the
"Papillon" when Steve's character was already hand-paddling and looking
back at the "loser" are the most impresive, but perhaps even most
impressive is when he turns his back to the deceised Scottish actor
(american actually). This "turning back" could portray not just Dustin's
incapability to "give it a try" even so old and broken, but could also
reflect a director's message that Jews in general are not adventurous,
rather place-tied?

But these last scenes could portray also totally different message: that
Jews should never give up and should not raise pigs and "give it a try"
like Steve's character did by jumping into the possible lethal waters?

On a more higher, spiritual level, the director could'ave wanted to say
that Dustin and Steve, after all those bodily sufferings and pain
endurance, "switched" their souls, so the floating escapee on a coconut
raft was actually Dustin (Jew), while in the Dustin's body was Steve's
soul (Scot stayed on the land). If this reasoning is true, this movie
could'ave been the message to the world saying: "Please take a moment and
look at Jewish fate. First we can't protect ourselves (Steve offered
Dustin protection on the transport ship at the beginning of the movie),
then we suffer for wanting to live free ("beyond the walls of the
convicted") and then we end up on a coco-raft since we have no home".
Actually this last point could reason why the director of the movie (or
better yet the scenario-guy) left "Dustin" on a no-name island, beacuse he
(Jew) had no "home to come back to" like "Steve".

But ... if you look it from the "Jewish" perspective (I am not a Jew), you
get totally different picture: first you lough when Dustin asks for help
on that transport ship at the beginning of the movie (Jews are very alert;
they seldom sleep and they are warriors in their blood - due to the
history of survival), the you lough when you see others non-Jews preparing
the escape from the prison (Jews are by nature alergic to anything that
has walls) and you role on the floor from loughter when you see "Dustin"
who is unsure whether to "give it a try or not" over the wall (Jews are
always precalculated; their brain runs at much faster rate then the others
- - non-Jews; that's why you seldom find "stupid" Jew or a Jew with bad
math-marks in school). At the end, you (as a Jew) get the following
mesage: "You gotta be kiddin' to give up now and raise no-eat-meat on the
wuthering heights of no-man's land! Live the life until the very end and
never "anchor"!" In other words the coco-raft is a symbolism of enjoying
the life to the fullest, or until you are totally crippled or so.

I remember as a kid I was very confused as to Dustin's stay on that
prison-island (breaking the rule once is enough!; it could be worse,
etc.), but later, as you "spiritually" get to know Jews better, you find
the end of the movie to be a total sarcasm, because they are very lively
and they would never "give up".

On the other hand, the end of the movie could portay the following
message: "It is better to satisfy yourself with what little gains you have
(freedom on the island and raising pigs and crops), then to risk the rest
of your short life and try something too risky and with no prosperous
future".

That's my "double-point". I am unsure of the final message of this
"old-generation" movie. And I firmly believe that the director wanted to
send a "secret message about Jews" (or a "secret Jewish message"?) as to
how he sees the life of a Jew in the wicked and cruel world. This message
is much more discrete than "Schindler's list" where one has to "live-thru"
the agonizing past (although by no means is less worthy).

But, perhaps, both films "radiate" a background message: "We, Jews, need
friends", or "Help us, we are lonely"?

Please excuse me for being so "wordy", but rare are films nowdays that
have so much "artistic" and "spiritual realism" in them. I think it was
the artistic masterpiece as far as Dustin Hoffman's role.

Thank you for your time and patience.

Luv,
Guv


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> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: 28 May 2001 20:09
> Subject: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
>
> > Q:    In the american movie "Papillon" (the butterfly?),
> > why didn't Dustin Hoffman joined Steve McQueen on his
> > journey off the island (at the end of the movie)? Was
> > Dustin Hoffman acting as a budhist who believed in the
> > reincarnation or his "spirit joined" Steve McQueen on his
> > improvised coco-raft while his "body" stayed on an
> > island-prison?
> >
> > Lav,
> > Gav
> >
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:21:13 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Godfather I - an insult to the Italians?

Q:    Was "Godfather I" (and perhaps Godfather II with
Marlon Brando) a bit offensive to the Italian community
that live in the USA and are proud of their immigrant
past? Perhaps to "pin mafia" strictly to Italians, their
origin and culture could'ave been insulting? Or maybe I am
wrong? Maybe the Italians (in general) are proud of word
and meaning of "mafia" and its origin from Sicilia and
this excellent movie showed that Italians always fought
for what is "social justice" by the means of direct action
- - by force?

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:56:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Requiem for a dream - 2000

Alright I had very high expectations for this film and it
didn't disappoint me at all ... 4.5/5

This is a "Nasty" film with a capital "N" though so I
wouldn't argue too much with someone who would say they
simply can't watch it or they have to stop watching it half
way through, something like that ... It shows a lot of
nasty scenes, drug use, sex, violence ...

The acting is amazing by everyone involved too ... I can't
help but think it was robbed at Oscar times not winning
anything but on the other hand such a twisted film getting
recognized by being nominated is really surprising too ...

Ellen Burstyn, Jennifer Connelly, Marlon Wayans, Jared
Letto ... everyone is in top form here (Even if physically
they probably have never looked worse on screen, kudos to
them for accepting to appear in this though as it is not
flattering for them in part ...)

This is mostly a character development tale too ... Burstyn
is addicted to diet pills and this silly television program
she watches constantly, hallucinating as well that her
refrigerator is going to attack her any second ...

Letto, Wayans and Connelly are all into drugs and they have
this scheme to buy and try to re-selll some of the stuff
for a profit, the only problem is they use most of the
stuff themselves which destroys them slowly but surely ...
so they have to make money fast ... Connelly selling her
lil' body to these sleazy guys, Letto and Wayans involved
in drug traffic, going nutz ...

Amazing visuals, editing, use of the split screen, sound
... lots of neat camera tricks ... It is an impressive film
technically.  This is eye candy for someone who likes
"Nasty" films of course.  The last 25 minutes or so are
very hard to watch and I was feeling uncomfortable the
whole time ... all the characters were in crisis basically,
loud music, quick editing ... it was madness & kaos (chaos
!) !!

4.5/5, it's #2 in my Top films for 2000 right now but I
haven't seen a few Top contenders like "Traffic" or "Wonder
boys" yet ...

Marc  ;-)

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:21:03 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Godfather I - an insult to the Italians?

Thing's are not as clear cut as that.  I don't think the film portrays
all Italians as mobsters, The Sopranos do that (good show by the way),
but the Godfather is more a family story. And because it was a period
film set in the past, the film is more removed from the community in the
same way people view that mobster thing as something that was big in the
20s and 30s  so they can pretend it was in the past.

Dexter

[e-mail] wrote:

> Q:    Was "Godfather I" (and perhaps Godfather II with
> Marlon Brando) a bit offensive to the Italian community
> that live in the USA and are proud of their immigrant
> past? Perhaps to "pin mafia" strictly to Italians, their
> origin and culture could'ave been insulting? Or maybe I am
> wrong? Maybe the Italians (in general) are proud of word
> and meaning of "mafia" and its origin from Sicilia and
> this excellent movie showed that Italians always fought
> for what is "social justice" by the means of direct action
> - by force?
>
> Luv,
>
> Guv
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Lost souls - 2000

** Minor spoiler **

I watched this film last night ... 2.5/5.

I was afraid it was going to be God awful of course with
all the bad "vibes" surrounding this film, people saying it
made no sense, etc. ... It turned out to be watchable and
had some scary moments but overall it wasn't very
satisfying, especially that ending !

Wynona Ryder plays a girl who used to be possessed by the
devil ... John Hurt is an old priest who went berzerk when
an exorcism turned sour ... (I've never seen so many
exorcisms in a single movie, this was like in "Twister"
when the tornadoes were striking every 12 minutes basically
!)

A bearded dude is possessed and needs to be exorcised,
turns out he reveals in the process that the devil will be
reincarnated soon, the dude left the name of the "chosen
one" by writing some numbers on a piece of paper (This was
funny actually, writing numbers and looking like a nut, why
not write the name itself ??)  WooHoo, scary !

Ben Chaplin is the "chosen one" and is supposed to "turn
evil" when he turns 33 years old (Bummer !) ... Of course
there are the usual signs which he disregards until it is
too late ... Philip Baker Hall as a priest that is a bit
twisted, the usual ...

It's really a mess in terms of story-telling ... they keep
going into goofy directions, I was wondering what they were
looking for in part, and they didn't seem to know either
... looking at old books, etc.  My rating should be lower
but I liked the visuals and how the movie looked on screen,
the cinematography, etc.  So-So acting and dialogues.

It was also amusing when Ms. Ryder had 2 minutes to "defeat
evil" near the end and she chooses to kiss the guy instead,
and a looooooooooong kiss too ... I kept thinking "Now this
is a brave girl, evil is about to be reincaranated and
she's still thinking about french kissing !!"

FYI :

Roger Ebert : 2/4
James Berardinelli : 2/4

Marc  ;-)

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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Desbiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] What films are worth paying for ...

***** Ok, here's my analysis ... what most movies are worth
paying for in my opinion ... (New releases only of course
!)

25% ... 10 cents
15% ... 50 cents (or less !)

15% ... 1.00$
15% ... 2.00$

15% ... 3.00$
10% ... 5.00$
4% ... 10.00$
1% ... 20.00$ (or more !)

Approximately of course, this is not an exact science !!

So as you can see I don't think most films are worth paying
a lot of "bread" for ... cos' they're rubbish.

40% of the new movies released I wouldn't pay more than 50
cents to see them .. (US dollars !)  They simply are not
very good films ... not interesting, etc.

Here's the breakdown : 33% of the new releases are
unwatchable, I don't want to see them, even for free !! ..
among the other 67% ... half of those are not worth seeing
more than once ...

It leaves about 33% worth seeing more than once, movies
that are actually good ... among those maybe 15% are 3/5
films, 10%, 3.5/5 films, 5%, 4/5 films ... 2%, 4.5/5 films,
1%, 5/5 films ...

Marc  ;-)







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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 20:28:09 +0100
From: "geeg23" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?

I honestly cannot believe that you write these "insights" on film seriously.
Either you are some sort of Troll or have a screw loose.  Just because one
person who is old gives up does not mean that the other one (Mcqueen) loses
the spirit to fight on.  Can we stop all this jewish nonsense?  Obviously
there are not many in this newsgroup that take you seriously as there is
never many replies to your deranged theories.
Yours
Gerry T.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: 31 May 2001 15:10
Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?


>
>
> geeg23 wrote:
>
> > Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't escape
> > because he was old.......duhhh!!!
> > Yours
> > Gerry T.
>
> As far as I can recollect (excuse my bad English), Steve was old too?
> Huhhh?
>
> I still don't see no reason (even for the "worn-outs") to "give it a try"
> instead of pig-farming on a cookoo-nowhere island. I remember that those
> scenes when a spark of doubt escapes Dustin's content character in the
> "Papillon" when Steve's character was already hand-paddling and looking
> back at the "loser" are the most impresive, but perhaps even most
> impressive is when he turns his back to the deceised Scottish actor
> (american actually). This "turning back" could portray not just Dustin's
> incapability to "give it a try" even so old and broken, but could also
> reflect a director's message that Jews in general are not adventurous,
> rather place-tied?
>
> But these last scenes could portray also totally different message: that
> Jews should never give up and should not raise pigs and "give it a try"
> like Steve's character did by jumping into the possible lethal waters?
>
> On a more higher, spiritual level, the director could'ave wanted to say
> that Dustin and Steve, after all those bodily sufferings and pain
> endurance, "switched" their souls, so the floating escapee on a coconut
> raft was actually Dustin (Jew), while in the Dustin's body was Steve's
> soul (Scot stayed on the land). If this reasoning is true, this movie
> could'ave been the message to the world saying: "Please take a moment and
> look at Jewish fate. First we can't protect ourselves (Steve offered
> Dustin protection on the transport ship at the beginning of the movie),
> then we suffer for wanting to live free ("beyond the walls of the
> convicted") and then we end up on a coco-raft since we have no home".
> Actually this last point could reason why the director of the movie (or
> better yet the scenario-guy) left "Dustin" on a no-name island, beacuse he
> (Jew) had no "home to come back to" like "Steve".
>
> But ... if you look it from the "Jewish" perspective (I am not a Jew), you
> get totally different picture: first you lough when Dustin asks for help
> on that transport ship at the beginning of the movie (Jews are very alert;
> they seldom sleep and they are warriors in their blood - due to the
> history of survival), the you lough when you see others non-Jews preparing
> the escape from the prison (Jews are by nature alergic to anything that
> has walls) and you role on the floor from loughter when you see "Dustin"
> who is unsure whether to "give it a try or not" over the wall (Jews are
> always precalculated; their brain runs at much faster rate then the others
> - non-Jews; that's why you seldom find "stupid" Jew or a Jew with bad
> math-marks in school). At the end, you (as a Jew) get the following
> mesage: "You gotta be kiddin' to give up now and raise no-eat-meat on the
> wuthering heights of no-man's land! Live the life until the very end and
> never "anchor"!" In other words the coco-raft is a symbolism of enjoying
> the life to the fullest, or until you are totally crippled or so.
>
> I remember as a kid I was very confused as to Dustin's stay on that
> prison-island (breaking the rule once is enough!; it could be worse,
> etc.), but later, as you "spiritually" get to know Jews better, you find
> the end of the movie to be a total sarcasm, because they are very lively
> and they would never "give up".
>
> On the other hand, the end of the movie could portay the following
> message: "It is better to satisfy yourself with what little gains you have
> (freedom on the island and raising pigs and crops), then to risk the rest
> of your short life and try something too risky and with no prosperous
> future".
>
> That's my "double-point". I am unsure of the final message of this
> "old-generation" movie. And I firmly believe that the director wanted to
> send a "secret message about Jews" (or a "secret Jewish message"?) as to
> how he sees the life of a Jew in the wicked and cruel world. This message
> is much more discrete than "Schindler's list" where one has to "live-thru"
> the agonizing past (although by no means is less worthy).
>
> But, perhaps, both films "radiate" a background message: "We, Jews, need
> friends", or "Help us, we are lonely"?
>
> Please excuse me for being so "wordy", but rare are films nowdays that
> have so much "artistic" and "spiritual realism" in them. I think it was
> the artistic masterpiece as far as Dustin Hoffman's role.
>
> Thank you for your time and patience.
>
> Luv,
> Guv
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: 28 May 2001 20:09
> > Subject: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
> >
> > > Q:    In the american movie "Papillon" (the butterfly?),
> > > why didn't Dustin Hoffman joined Steve McQueen on his
> > > journey off the island (at the end of the movie)? Was
> > > Dustin Hoffman acting as a budhist who believed in the
> > > reincarnation or his "spirit joined" Steve McQueen on his
> > > improvised coco-raft while his "body" stayed on an
> > > island-prison?
> > >
> > > Lav,
> > > Gav
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:05:41 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] The "First blood": Rambo was a native indian?

Q:    The first in the "Rambo" trilogy movies, the "First
blood" with Silvester St. as the main character was based
on a true story. Does anyone know if the original
character (true american soldier) that inspired A.V. (or
the others in cast) to make this excellent movie, was a
native Indian, in fact?

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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:58:52 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] TDK and Coca Cola spoiled the "Bladerunner"?

Q:    Could it be that if it was not for Coca Cola and TDK
advertisment, this movie (the Bladerunner), with Harrison
Ford as a pin-point character, would'ave been nominated
for some Oscars? (perhaps some Oscar for a "side-role")

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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:49:01 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?

Dear geeg23,

For the sake of the discussion group I shall not persuade the matter further.

As to the "jewish nonsense" ... well, I disagree. You see, everyone needs some
sort of a "mirror" to see the reflection. In this case, I was trying to
establish the objective opinion of a movie, not of "jewishness". I can't see
very well the reflection of this movie to the others. This movie really "hit the
line" with me and I was wondering how did others accept it?

It is so great to have a place where you can openly, with no fear, express your
comments about some artistic masterpiece (like the movie "Papillon").

Since I don't want to become "troll", I won't pursue this critics further
(although it is a pity that not many see this movie, and many others, like a
part of a Jewish culture, and, moreover, a part of the World culture, of our
civilization, how we are, what we are, where are we going, etc.).

Thank you Gerry T. for "putting me in the right direction" (see, it's my first
time I am on some movie discussion list)..

Luv,
Guv


geeg23 wrote:

> I honestly cannot believe that you write these "insights" on film seriously.
> Either you are some sort of Troll or have a screw loose.  Just because one
> person who is old gives up does not mean that the other one (Mcqueen) loses
> the spirit to fight on.  Can we stop all this jewish nonsense?  Obviously
> there are not many in this newsgroup that take you seriously as there is
> never many replies to your deranged theories.
> Yours
> Gerry T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: 31 May 2001 15:10
> Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left?
>
> >
> >
> > geeg23 wrote:
> >
> > > Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't escape
> > > because he was old.......duhhh!!!
> > > Yours
> > > Gerry T.
>



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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:55:41 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld"

Q:    What made Costner's film "Waterworld" so popular? Is
is the use of "water-cycles" or his ability to breathe
underwater after just a couple of mutant generations?

Lav,
Gav




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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:01:12 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Censored "Clockwork orange"?

Q:    Why was Stanley Kubrik's "Clockwork orange" movie
banned in the communist countries twenty years ago? What
particular scene made it being censored? (anti-commie)

Lav,
Gav





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