> >Understandable. Whore can be a bit hard to stomache.
> >
> >For indy films, a good place to start might be Fargo. It is not
> really
> >independent, but has that feel, and a good story, and might be a good
> place
> >to start. Another one like that is The Usual Suspects, one of my
> favourite
> >films of all time.
>
> Oh, well, yes I saw "Fargo." I thought it was very good. And I
> loved "The Usual Suspects"!!! I thought it was so well written!!
>
> >
> >Being John Malkovich is another good introduction to this genre. And
> I
> >highly recommend the Kevin Smith films (who is a friend of a friend,
> but I
> >raved about his films before I even found this out). Clerks is the
> logical
> >place to start, but be forewarned. This film has no sex, no
> violence, no
> >nudity, nothing but language, and it still originally got an NC-17
> rating,
> >the only film to ever get that on the basis of language alone.
> Chasing Amy
> >is equally good (Mallrats is when even Smith himself admits he sold
> out to
> >the studios), but also has some "troubling" issues. Besides, it is
> really
> >every man's lesbian fantasy (that being that all a lesbian needs to
> set her
> >straight is the right man), so I am sure most of the lesbian
> community
> >would hate this film. Dogma was protested by the Catholic Church
> before
> >anyone ever saw it, so until you see it, you cannot appreciate that
> it
> >actually has a very pro-religion message.
>
> I saw "Being John Malkovich" and disliked it. I hated the
> characters. I wasn't interested in them at all. I didn't care what
> happened to them. I need to see "Clerks." I saw "Chasing Amy" and I
> enjoyed that. Haven't seen "Mallrats." Haven't seen "Dogma" either.
>
> >
> >One thing is, most indy, or even quasi-independent films like to push
> the
> >envelope, and especially like to examine the effects of violence on
> people.
> > I think Pulp Fiction and Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels work on
> many
> >different levels, and have to be viewed beyond the top layer to
> really be
> >appreciated. If you were able to stomache A Clockwork Orange (and
> even I
> >had trouble with that), Romper Stomper is another good one that
> examines
> >some of the same social issues. That leads us into Once Were
> Warriors and
> >The Last Supper. If you can get thru those, then you might just be
> able to
> >handle Clean, Shaven. I have not got this far yet, but I do know it
> starts
> >off with seventeen minutes of static.
>
> I loved "Pulp Fiction." "Clockwork Orange" was just too weird for
> me. I saw "Once Were Warriors" and enjoyed it even though it was
> pretty gritty.
>
> 17 minutes of static? OK...
>
> >
> >A good way to get the feel for these movies without the overboard
> themes is
> >to go to the foreign films section of the video store. Giving into
> the
> >English language bias, let me give you some good foreign films that
> did
> >well overseas, but are high quality enough and obscure enough to give
> you
> >the same feel. Try Strictly Ballroom (very clean movie, the kids can
> even
> >watch) and Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. I also think The Year My
> Voice
> >Broke is one of the best films ever made, and another that the entire
> >family can watch safely. One that I bet just about everyone missed
> is
> >Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Also, The Efficiency Expert is a great
> comedy,
> >and Don's Party did the big chill nearly two decades befor The Big
> Chill.
>
> I haven't seen any of these.
>
> >
> >Some other ones to consider are Love and Other Catastrophies, Shallow
> >Grave, The Unbearable Lightness of Being, High Art, Henry Fool, and
> Oscar
> >and Lucinda.
>
> Haven't seen these either.
>
> >
> >When you are up to dealing with subtitles, anything by Luc Besson
> will do
> >(The Big Blue, La Femme Nikita, The Visitors), as well as Oscar
> winners in
> >the Foreign Film catagory (Burnt By the Sun, Antonia's Line, Koyla,
> etc
> >etc), and let's not forget the Colours Trilogy (Bleu, Blanc, et
> Rogue, or
> >in English, Blue, White, and Red)
>
> Nope, none of these...
>
> >
> >Now, I know that these aren't the true independent films that were
> >suggested, but they are a start, and will ease you into the genre.
> And I
> >am sure that there are a lot of other suggestions that are more
> >independent. Some others that are more indepenent are When We Were
> Kings,
> >Once Upon A Time When We Were Coloured, In His Father's Shoes, and
> Looking
> >for Richard. And I am sure people are adding to this list as we
> speak.
>
> Nope. Boy I've got some films to see, huh??
>
> >
> >>
> >>Nope, didn't like "Patch Adams."
> >>--
> >
> >See, no matter what, everyone has to agree you can't be all bad:-)
>
> Thanks, Mel!!
>
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:29:21 -0800
From: "Marc C. Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Showgirls - So bad it's BAD!!
Wow, Excellent review Mark, I agree with everything you said basically !! This film was just plain awful even if we see a number of gorgeous women in sexy outfits !! Awful story, acting, dialogues ... I would say either 0.5/5 or 1/5 depending if I feel generous or not !! ;-) Did you see the way Berkley was handling that ketchup bottle near the beginning, I knew I was in big trouble right **there** !! ;-)
