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movies-digest       Wednesday, November 8 2000       Volume 02 : Number 303



[MV] Titanic : Emotional movies ...
[MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
RE: [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
RE: [MV] Locking horns over Titanic ...
RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
[MV] RE: Emotional movies ...
[MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
[MV] Alternate title for "The beast must die"
[MV] Flm Four

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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 03:13:56 EST
From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Titanic : Emotional movies ...

***** Yes, this movie is special ... I was having troubles watching
it in
the last 80-90 minutes ... It was a bit overwhelming in part, especially
knowing this happened for real ... Titanic going down and 1400-1500 people
dying ...

The one scene that I would like to add is the one where Rose and Jack
are on the bow of the titanic in the sunset. That scene was very powerful.
I have to admit that scene got to me ... even the
dialogues that may make some people cringe in that scene ... Jack saying to
Rose "You trust me ?" very softly ... and he holds her by the waist as she
has her hands to her side ... Wow ... this was unbelievable ... and looked
REALLY good on screen ... magnificent camera work right **there** ...

It was
incredibly romantic and touching (in my opinion, I know a lot of people are
probably rolling their eyes back **right about now** !!!)  Plus Kate Winslet
is such a "doll", soft, sweet ... she's perfect in every way in that film,
no
wonder Jack falls for her !  She's too lovely, damn it !  ;o)

I also agree that scene where the mother talks to her 2 lil' kids in bed
while the ship is going down is something else ... as is the one where we
see an aging  couple on a bed too ... when Kate and Leo say goodbye as he
sacrifices his life for her, holding on to that board, he knows he can't get
on it ... geeesh ... you can see it in his face when he makes up his mind
that the most crucial thing is that she lives, it's in his eyes, the precise
moment he realizes it ... great acting by Leo there ! ... and the end when
Gloria Stewart tosses the diamond in the ocean ... oh man ... the whole film
is incredible as I can single out dozens of powerful moments like that ...

Marc    ;o)



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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 01:52:38 EST
From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...

***** Ok, I just locked HORNS with a friend of mine who is always trashing
Titanic ... the discussion is below ...

***** Adding comments ... inside your message, Daniel .. with stars in front
... Marc  ********   ;o)

- ----------------------------------------------------------

Daniel's comments have no stars in front ...

 >I didn't hate it as it was entertaining but I certainly didn't like it
 >much--2.5/5.
 >Most people are stupid (not saying you are for liking this film) so if a
 >film grosses heaps of money or becomes the most succesful film of all time
it
 >doesn't really mean a lot to me,it just perptuates my theory that most
 >people are stupid!


***** Yes, I agree that a lot of films making big money are awful, but some
are mighty good as well .. example : American beauty ... I wouldn't say
people in general who like "American beauty" are stupid (We both give 5/5 to
that one, right ??)

***** I think you are being very harsh on this film considering how
impressive it is ... ok you may not like the storyline and you always
complain about "LEO" but look at all the other aspects of the films that are
magnificent ... special effects, sound, music, stunts, sets, attention to a
thousand and one details ...

****** I think you had your mind set from the get go when you saw this film
... like you already hated it for your own personal reasons and nothing
could have made you change your mind about it ...


 >This is the kind of film I'd expect you to dislike as well.Although it's
fun
 >I thought you'd see through it's predictable and formulaic romance,


***** Well, it was predictable, we've seen hundreds of people falling in
love on screen, what ?? Is everyone suppose to hate each other in every
movie out there ?? ...  but it was well made too ... I liked how they met,
how they slowly but surely fell in love .. how they respected each other, I
enjoyed it a great deal ... and that aspect of the film is not everything
anyway ... the last 80-90 minutes or so involve the ship hitting the iceberg
and sinking slowly but surely ... now that was expected of course, but how
the movie depicts those last hours of Titanic's history is really handled in
an impressive way, it looks REAL, man ... you're telling me that entire last
hour is not 5/5 material ??  When the back of that ship lifts into the air
... man ... it's eye-popping stuff !! ... The film is managing to tell a
story-within-a-story like that ... mixing the two together, both the romance
and the sinking of the ship ... it's not easy to do yet they pulled it off !


it's
 >incredibly simplistic views on class structure--everyone rich is an
 >asshole,everyone poor is nice.


***** Not true ... you are generalizing again ... There were rich people on
that ship that were very nice, Kathy Bates, The architect who built the
ship, Mr. Guggenheim, some of the other passengers come to mind ... I just
saw it again and they were not ALL evil ... same as all the poor people were
not angels either ...


The old storyline of rich girl falls for poor
 >boy who dies--give me a break,this story-line is old as the hills not to
 >mention corny.It's a maniuplative film that slams it's messages,romance
etc
 >down your throat and it sure isn't orginial or an intelligent piece of
 >cinema.


****** Sure it is a brilliant film, and many respected critics agree as
well, Ebert : 4/4,  Berardinelli : 4/4 ... you just had the wrong mindset
when you started watching it ... same as me perhaps when I watch an oldie
film ... you were complaining the other day I was close-minded sometimes
watching an oldie and not being forgiving for a car chase that looks
phony-as-hell if
I recall ... what happens in this film looks more realistic than any of
those old car chases with images projected on a screen behind the actors for
sure ...


I mean christ any film with Celine Dion providing the soundtrack too
 >hasn't got much going for it in terms of artistic integrity.


**** I'm sorry but that song "My heart will go on" is "ace" ... Oscar
winning song and it is perfect for this film as well .. Cameron didn't even
intend on using any title song but when he heard this one he had to put it
in ... again, your bad impression of Celine Dion is tainting your opinion of
this song and the movie as well ... I am not even a Celine Dion fan in
general, I have no Cd's of her but I saw her live once (tickets given to me
for free !) and she gave a really entertaining show ... you would be
surprised ... The music in this film is amazing anyway, mostly instrumental
so your "Celine argument" is taking water in rapidly .. no pun intended !


I don't want you
 >to agree with me nessecarily but just see where I'm coming from.


**** Yes, I know ... Seems we will NEVER agree on certain titles ... but I
think you were being unfair on this one ...


I hate
 >eveything these kind of films stand for too,these big budget films made my
 >directors who are more businessmen than artists.


****** I mostly like small budget films too as you know ... in my top 10 for
1999 probably 6 or 7 could be considered small budget films ... but a big
budget film is not necessarely bad ... again ... you seem to be thinking
because  a film has a big budget it must be bad ... if the money is spent
wisely as it was the case in this one, you can have 100 M$ and make an awful
film like "Waterworld", "Wild wild west" and other "Cuthroat island" and you
can have 1M$ and make a masterpiece ...

***** I mean building a huge Titanic set, great special effects, a thousand
and one extras, costumes, shooting footage of the real titanic, ... etc.
This costs a lot of money ... and It can produce something really incredible
as is the case here in my opinion ...

******* Your comments about Cameron are not appropriate since he has made
heaps of great films before this one ... Terminator 2, The abyss, True lies,
Terminator, Aliens ... etc. etc.  Ok, they are not "arsty" films ... but
they are well made big budget action films ...


I don't want to see films
 >made by someone whose just trying to win oscars


****** Cameron must not be looking for Oscars since it probably was his
first time getting one for Titanic ... I should check but he is not the
"Oscar" type, right ??  How can you "try" to win an Oscar anyway ... you try
to make a good film, I'm sure he was thinking .. "where am I going to put my
Oscar for best director ??" when he was on the set knee deep in cold water !
  If he wants to have an Oscar he can buy one for 1000$ probably ... ;o)


and make a shitload of money
 >by figuring out the best "formulaic" storyline will do the business.A
 >tragedy,romance,a pair of good looking leads--pure an utter commercialism.


***** He believed in the project, accepting to work for FREE when the budget
was out of control, so he's not only thinking of his wallet and making
commercial films ... Despite what you say Leonardo DiCaprio is a good actor
and he has proved it in the past ... same as Kate Winslet of course ...
Ebert even said DiCaprio not nominated for best actor in Titanic was
ludicrous !  This is just another aspect of the film you are criticizing for
no good reason in my opinion ... just because you dislike him as an actor,
it makes you hate his performance .. and the film ... before the opening
credits have finished rolling ... Hehe !  no hard feelings anyway !  Nice
discussion, huh ??  Locking those HORNS !  Yay !
Marc   ;o)







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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:53:34 -0000
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...

I agree with the take on Celine Dion - she should have been thrown
overboard and drowned in the icy depths before she ever got to record
that godawful song.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Marc Desbiens [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    06 November 2000 06:53
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
>
>
> ***** Ok, I just locked HORNS with a friend of mine who is always
> trashing
> Titanic ... the discussion is below ...
>
> ***** Adding comments ... inside your message, Daniel .. with stars in
> front
> ... Marc  ********   ;o)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Daniel's comments have no stars in front ...
>
>  >I didn't hate it as it was entertaining but I certainly didn't like
> it
>  >much--2.5/5.
>  >Most people are stupid (not saying you are for liking this film) so
> if a
>  >film grosses heaps of money or becomes the most succesful film of
> all time
> it
>  >doesn't really mean a lot to me,it just perptuates my theory that
> most
>  >people are stupid!
>
>
> ***** Yes, I agree that a lot of films making big money are awful, but
> some
> are mighty good as well .. example : American beauty ... I wouldn't
> say
> people in general who like "American beauty" are stupid (We both give
> 5/5 to
> that one, right ??)
>
> ***** I think you are being very harsh on this film considering how
> impressive it is ... ok you may not like the storyline and you always
> complain about "LEO" but look at all the other aspects of the films
> that are
> magnificent ... special effects, sound, music, stunts, sets, attention
> to a
> thousand and one details ...
>
> ****** I think you had your mind set from the get go when you saw this
> film
> ... like you already hated it for your own personal reasons and
> nothing
> could have made you change your mind about it ...
>
>
>  >This is the kind of film I'd expect you to dislike as well.Although
> it's
> fun
>  >I thought you'd see through it's predictable and formulaic romance,
>
>
> ***** Well, it was predictable, we've seen hundreds of people falling
> in
> love on screen, what ?? Is everyone suppose to hate each other in
> every
> movie out there ?? ...  but it was well made too ... I liked how they
> met,
> how they slowly but surely fell in love .. how they respected each
> other, I
> enjoyed it a great deal ... and that aspect of the film is not
> everything
> anyway ... the last 80-90 minutes or so involve the ship hitting the
> iceberg
> and sinking slowly but surely ... now that was expected of course, but
> how
> the movie depicts those last hours of Titanic's history is really
> handled in
> an impressive way, it looks REAL, man ... you're telling me that
> entire last
> hour is not 5/5 material ??  When the back of that ship lifts into the
> air
> ... man ... it's eye-popping stuff !! ... The film is managing to tell
> a
> story-within-a-story like that ... mixing the two together, both the
> romance
> and the sinking of the ship ... it's not easy to do yet they pulled it
> off !
>
>
> it's
>  >incredibly simplistic views on class structure--everyone rich is an
>  >asshole,everyone poor is nice.
>
>
> ***** Not true ... you are generalizing again ... There were rich
> people on
> that ship that were very nice, Kathy Bates, The architect who built
> the
> ship, Mr. Guggenheim, some of the other passengers come to mind ... I
> just
> saw it again and they were not ALL evil ... same as all the poor
> people were
> not angels either ...
>
>
> The old storyline of rich girl falls for poor
>  >boy who dies--give me a break,this story-line is old as the hills
> not to
>  >mention corny.It's a maniuplative film that slams it's
> messages,romance
> etc
>  >down your throat and it sure isn't orginial or an intelligent piece
> of
>  >cinema.
>
>
> ****** Sure it is a brilliant film, and many respected critics agree
> as
> well, Ebert : 4/4,  Berardinelli : 4/4 ... you just had the wrong
> mindset
> when you started watching it ... same as me perhaps when I watch an
> oldie
> film ... you were complaining the other day I was close-minded
> sometimes
> watching an oldie and not being forgiving for a car chase that looks
> phony-as-hell if
> I recall ... what happens in this film looks more realistic than any
> of
> those old car chases with images projected on a screen behind the
> actors for
> sure ...
>
>
> I mean christ any film with Celine Dion providing the soundtrack too
>  >hasn't got much going for it in terms of artistic integrity.
>
>
> **** I'm sorry but that song "My heart will go on" is "ace" ... Oscar
> winning song and it is perfect for this film as well .. Cameron didn't
> even
> intend on using any title song but when he heard this one he had to
> put it
> in ... again, your bad impression of Celine Dion is tainting your
> opinion of
> this song and the movie as well ... I am not even a Celine Dion fan in
>
> general, I have no Cd's of her but I saw her live once (tickets given
> to me
> for free !) and she gave a really entertaining show ... you would be
> surprised ... The music in this film is amazing anyway, mostly
> instrumental
> so your "Celine argument" is taking water in rapidly .. no pun
> intended !
>
>
> I don't want you
>  >to agree with me nessecarily but just see where I'm coming from.
>
>
> **** Yes, I know ... Seems we will NEVER agree on certain titles ...
> but I
> think you were being unfair on this one ...
>
>
> I hate
>  >eveything these kind of films stand for too,these big budget films
> made my
>  >directors who are more businessmen than artists.
>
>
> ****** I mostly like small budget films too as you know ... in my top
> 10 for
> 1999 probably 6 or 7 could be considered small budget films ... but a
> big
> budget film is not necessarely bad ... again ... you seem to be
> thinking
> because  a film has a big budget it must be bad ... if the money is
> spent
> wisely as it was the case in this one, you can have 100 M$ and make an
> awful
> film like "Waterworld", "Wild wild west" and other "Cuthroat island"
> and you
> can have 1M$ and make a masterpiece ...
>
> ***** I mean building a huge Titanic set, great special effects, a
> thousand
> and one extras, costumes, shooting footage of the real titanic, ...
> etc.
> This costs a lot of money ... and It can produce something really
> incredible
> as is the case here in my opinion ...
>
> ******* Your comments about Cameron are not appropriate since he has
> made
> heaps of great films before this one ... Terminator 2, The abyss, True
> lies,
> Terminator, Aliens ... etc. etc.  Ok, they are not "arsty" films ...
> but
> they are well made big budget action films ...
>
>
> I don't want to see films
>  >made by someone whose just trying to win oscars
>
>
> ****** Cameron must not be looking for Oscars since it probably was
> his
> first time getting one for Titanic ... I should check but he is not
> the
> "Oscar" type, right ??  How can you "try" to win an Oscar anyway ...
> you try
> to make a good film, I'm sure he was thinking .. "where am I going to
> put my
> Oscar for best director ??" when he was on the set knee deep in cold
> water !
>   If he wants to have an Oscar he can buy one for 1000$ probably ...
> ;o)
>
>
> and make a shitload of money
>  >by figuring out the best "formulaic" storyline will do the
> business.A
>  >tragedy,romance,a pair of good looking leads--pure an utter
> commercialism.
>
>
> ***** He believed in the project, accepting to work for FREE when the
> budget
> was out of control, so he's not only thinking of his wallet and making
>
> commercial films ... Despite what you say Leonardo DiCaprio is a good
> actor
> and he has proved it in the past ... same as Kate Winslet of course
> ...
> Ebert even said DiCaprio not nominated for best actor in Titanic was
> ludicrous !  This is just another aspect of the film you are
> criticizing for
> no good reason in my opinion ... just because you dislike him as an
> actor,
> it makes you hate his performance .. and the film ... before the
> opening
> credits have finished rolling ... Hehe !  no hard feelings anyway !
> Nice
> discussion, huh ??  Locking those HORNS !  Yay !
> Marc   ;o)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 06 Nov 00 12:39:29 +0000
From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Locking horns over Titanic ...

Here, here.

Ruining a perfectly fine movie with her warbling and once again showing
the tendency for the masses to act like a bunch of sheep and gravitate
towards utter pap.

MARK wrote:
>I agree with the take on Celine Dion - she should have been thrown
>overboard and drowned in the icy depths before she ever got to record
>that godawful song.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:    Marc Desbiens [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> Sent:    06 November 2000 06:53
>> To:    [e-mail]
>> Subject:    [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
>>
>>
>> ***** Ok, I just locked HORNS with a friend of mine who is always
>> trashing
>> Titanic ... the discussion is below ...
>>
>> ***** Adding comments ... inside your message, Daniel .. with stars in
>> front
>> ... Marc  ********   ;o)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Daniel's comments have no stars in front ...
>>
>>  >I didn't hate it as it was entertaining but I certainly didn't like
>> it
>>  >much--2.5/5.
>>  >Most people are stupid (not saying you are for liking this film) so
>> if a
>>  >film grosses heaps of money or becomes the most succesful film of
>> all time
>> it
>>  >doesn't really mean a lot to me,it just perptuates my theory that
>> most
>>  >people are stupid!
>>
>>
>> ***** Yes, I agree that a lot of films making big money are awful, but
>> some
>> are mighty good as well .. example : American beauty ... I wouldn't
>> say
>> people in general who like "American beauty" are stupid (We both give
>> 5/5 to
>> that one, right ??)
>>
>> ***** I think you are being very harsh on this film considering how
>> impressive it is ... ok you may not like the storyline and you always
>> complain about "LEO" but look at all the other aspects of the films
>> that are
>> magnificent ... special effects, sound, music, stunts, sets, attention
>> to a
>> thousand and one details ...
>>
>> ****** I think you had your mind set from the get go when you saw this
>> film
>> ... like you already hated it for your own personal reasons and
>> nothing
>> could have made you change your mind about it ...
>>
>>
>>  >This is the kind of film I'd expect you to dislike as well.Although
>> it's
>> fun
>>  >I thought you'd see through it's predictable and formulaic romance,
>>
>>
>> ***** Well, it was predictable, we've seen hundreds of people falling
>> in
>> love on screen, what ?? Is everyone suppose to hate each other in
>> every
>> movie out there ?? ...  but it was well made too ... I liked how they
>> met,
>> how they slowly but surely fell in love .. how they respected each
>> other, I
>> enjoyed it a great deal ... and that aspect of the film is not
>> everything
>> anyway ... the last 80-90 minutes or so involve the ship hitting the
>> iceberg
>> and sinking slowly but surely ... now that was expected of course, but
>> how
>> the movie depicts those last hours of Titanic's history is really
>> handled in
>> an impressive way, it looks REAL, man ... you're telling me that
>> entire last
>> hour is not 5/5 material ??  When the back of that ship lifts into the
>> air
>> ... man ... it's eye-popping stuff !! ... The film is managing to tell
>> a
>> story-within-a-story like that ... mixing the two together, both the
>> romance
>> and the sinking of the ship ... it's not easy to do yet they pulled it
>> off !
>>
>>
>> it's
>>  >incredibly simplistic views on class structure--everyone rich is an
>>  >asshole,everyone poor is nice.
>>
>>
>> ***** Not true ... you are generalizing again ... There were rich
>> people on
>> that ship that were very nice, Kathy Bates, The architect who built
>> the
>> ship, Mr. Guggenheim, some of the other passengers come to mind ... I
>> just
>> saw it again and they were not ALL evil ... same as all the poor
>> people were
>> not angels either ...
>>
>>
>> The old storyline of rich girl falls for poor
>>  >boy who dies--give me a break,this story-line is old as the hills
>> not to
>>  >mention corny.It's a maniuplative film that slams it's
>> messages,romance
>> etc
>>  >down your throat and it sure isn't orginial or an intelligent piece
>> of
>>  >cinema.
>>
>>
>> ****** Sure it is a brilliant film, and many respected critics agree
>> as
>> well, Ebert : 4/4,  Berardinelli : 4/4 ... you just had the wrong
>> mindset
>> when you started watching it ... same as me perhaps when I watch an
>> oldie
>> film ... you were complaining the other day I was close-minded
>> sometimes
>> watching an oldie and not being forgiving for a car chase that looks
>> phony-as-hell if
>> I recall ... what happens in this film looks more realistic than any
>> of
>> those old car chases with images projected on a screen behind the
>> actors for
>> sure ...
>>
>>
>> I mean christ any film with Celine Dion providing the soundtrack too
>>  >hasn't got much going for it in terms of artistic integrity.
>>
>>
>> **** I'm sorry but that song "My heart will go on" is "ace" ... Oscar
>> winning song and it is perfect for this film as well .. Cameron didn't
>> even
>> intend on using any title song but when he heard this one he had to
>> put it
>> in ... again, your bad impression of Celine Dion is tainting your
>> opinion of
>> this song and the movie as well ... I am not even a Celine Dion fan in
>>
>> general, I have no Cd's of her but I saw her live once (tickets given
>> to me
>> for free !) and she gave a really entertaining show ... you would be
>> surprised ... The music in this film is amazing anyway, mostly
>> instrumental
>> so your "Celine argument" is taking water in rapidly .. no pun
>> intended !
>>
>>
>> I don't want you
>>  >to agree with me nessecarily but just see where I'm coming from.
>>
>>
>> **** Yes, I know ... Seems we will NEVER agree on certain titles ...
>> but I
>> think you were being unfair on this one ...
>>
>>
>> I hate
>>  >eveything these kind of films stand for too,these big budget films
>> made my
>>  >directors who are more businessmen than artists.
>>
>>
>> ****** I mostly like small budget films too as you know ... in my top
>> 10 for
>> 1999 probably 6 or 7 could be considered small budget films ... but a
>> big
>> budget film is not necessarely bad ... again ... you seem to be
>> thinking
>> because  a film has a big budget it must be bad ... if the money is
>> spent
>> wisely as it was the case in this one, you can have 100 M$ and make an
>> awful
>> film like "Waterworld", "Wild wild west" and other "Cuthroat island"
>> and you
>> can have 1M$ and make a masterpiece ...
>>
>> ***** I mean building a huge Titanic set, great special effects, a
>> thousand
>> and one extras, costumes, shooting footage of the real titanic, ...
>> etc.
>> This costs a lot of money ... and It can produce something really
>> incredible
>> as is the case here in my opinion ...
>>
>> ******* Your comments about Cameron are not appropriate since he has
>> made
>> heaps of great films before this one ... Terminator 2, The abyss, True
>> lies,
>> Terminator, Aliens ... etc. etc.  Ok, they are not "arsty" films ...
>> but
>> they are well made big budget action films ...
>>
>>
>> I don't want to see films
>>  >made by someone whose just trying to win oscars
>>
>>
>> ****** Cameron must not be looking for Oscars since it probably was
>> his
>> first time getting one for Titanic ... I should check but he is not
>> the
>> "Oscar" type, right ??  How can you "try" to win an Oscar anyway ...
>> you try
>> to make a good film, I'm sure he was thinking .. "where am I going to
>> put my
>> Oscar for best director ??" when he was on the set knee deep in cold
>> water !
>>   If he wants to have an Oscar he can buy one for 1000$ probably ...
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> and make a shitload of money
>>  >by figuring out the best "formulaic" storyline will do the
>> business.A
>>  >tragedy,romance,a pair of good looking leads--pure an utter
>> commercialism.
>>
>>
>> ***** He believed in the project, accepting to work for FREE when the
>> budget
>> was out of control, so he's not only thinking of his wallet and making
>>
>> commercial films ... Despite what you say Leonardo DiCaprio is a good
>> actor
>> and he has proved it in the past ... same as Kate Winslet of course
>> ...
>> Ebert even said DiCaprio not nominated for best actor in Titanic was
>> ludicrous !  This is just another aspect of the film you are
>> criticizing for
>> no good reason in my opinion ... just because you dislike him as an
>> actor,
>> it makes you hate his performance .. and the film ... before the
>> opening
>> credits have finished rolling ... Hehe !  no hard feelings anyway !
>> Nice
>> discussion, huh ??  Locking those HORNS !  Yay !
>> Marc   ;o)
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:49:32 -0000
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...

After reading this list I think I know a little more about you now Marc
- - YOU ARE A WUSS!!!!  :)

> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ...
> maybe
> even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my
> selections
> below ...
>
> I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1
> choice
> ... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh
> !) ...
> it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are
> all
> dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when
> we see
> everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was
> almost a
> "snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
> surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time
> I've
> seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.
>
> My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...
>
> - Titanic  (1997)
>
> - Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
> - Schindler's list - 1993
> - Dead man walking - 1995
> - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
> - The celebration - 1998
>
> - Apollo 13 - 1995
> - Rosetta - 1999
> - Braveheart - 1995
> - Breaking the waves - 1996
> - Boys don't cry - 1999
>
> - The sweet hereafter - 1997
> - This boy's life - 1993
> - Scent of a woman - 1992
> - The last detail - 1973
> - Angela's ashes - 1999
>
> - Midnight express - 1978
> - Awakenings - 1990
> - The bridges of Madison county - 1995
> - Alive - 1993
> - In the name of the father - 1993
>
> - Sophie's choice - 1982
> - Forrest gump - 1994
> - The war zone - 1999
>
> snif !   :o*(
>
> Have a fine day !
>
> Marc   ;o)
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Date: 06 Nov 00 15:45:07 +0000
From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...

Marc, you forgot Beaches, The Champ and Terms of Endearment!





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Marc Desbiens wrote:
>
>Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ...
maybe
>even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my
selections
>below ...
>
>I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1
choice
>... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh !)
...
>it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are all
>dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when we
see
>everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was almost
a
>"snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
>surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time I've

>seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.
>
>My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...
>
>- Titanic  (1997)
>
>- Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
>- Schindler's list - 1993
>- Dead man walking - 1995
>- One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
>- The celebration - 1998
>
>- Apollo 13 - 1995
>- Rosetta - 1999
>- Braveheart - 1995
>- Breaking the waves - 1996
>- Boys don't cry - 1999
>
>- The sweet hereafter - 1997
>- This boy's life - 1993
>- Scent of a woman - 1992
>- The last detail - 1973
>- Angela's ashes - 1999
>
>- Midnight express - 1978
>- Awakenings - 1990
>- The bridges of Madison county - 1995
>- Alive - 1993
>- In the name of the father - 1993
>
>- Sophie's choice - 1982
>- Forrest gump - 1994
>- The war zone - 1999
>
>snif !   :o*(
>
>Have a fine day !
>
>Marc   ;o)
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:15:34 -0000
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...

Let's not forget Steel Magnolias, Fried Green Tomatoes at the
Whistlestop Cafe, Born Free, Romeo and Juliet, Pretty Woman, Dying Young
and any t.v. movie starring either Victoria Principle or Dee Wallace
Stone

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:    06 November 2000 15:45
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> Subject:    RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
>
> Marc, you forgot Beaches, The Champ and Terms of Endearment!
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> >
>
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> PSYCHE!
>
>
>
> Marc Desbiens wrote:
> >
> >Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ...
> maybe
> >even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my
> selections
> >below ...
> >
> >I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1
> choice
> >... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh
> !)
> ...
> >it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are
> all
> >dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when
> we
> see
> >everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was
> almost
> a
> >"snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
>
> >surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time
> I've
>
> >seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.
> >
> >My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...
> >
> >- Titanic  (1997)
> >
> >- Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
> >- Schindler's list - 1993
> >- Dead man walking - 1995
> >- One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
> >- The celebration - 1998
> >
> >- Apollo 13 - 1995
> >- Rosetta - 1999
> >- Braveheart - 1995
> >- Breaking the waves - 1996
> >- Boys don't cry - 1999
> >
> >- The sweet hereafter - 1997
> >- This boy's life - 1993
> >- Scent of a woman - 1992
> >- The last detail - 1973
> >- Angela's ashes - 1999
> >
> >- Midnight express - 1978
> >- Awakenings - 1990
> >- The bridges of Madison county - 1995
> >- Alive - 1993
> >- In the name of the father - 1993
> >
> >- Sophie's choice - 1982
> >- Forrest gump - 1994
> >- The war zone - 1999
> >
> >snif !   :o*(
> >
> >Have a fine day !
> >
> >Marc   ;o)
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:17:00 -0700
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Emotional movies ...

> Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way

Since it seems everybody is listing off more recent fare, I'd like to take us
back to 1935, for a film that is fresh on my mind since I watched for
Halloween: BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN.  I'm sure that those of you who haven't seen
the film are saying "!?!" to yourselves, but I assure you the film is quite
emotional.  The scenes that get to me the most are the encounter in the
hermit's cabin as well as the heart-breaking ending.  The film is rather funny
and camp as well, which means it will take you through the full gamut of
emotions.  A highly recommended classic.

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 02:36:33 EST
From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5

Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop, just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy) who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had ...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme ...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank "Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

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" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 03:14:10 EST
From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Alternate title for "The beast must die"

Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:31:46 -0000
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Flm Four

    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982
Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You <synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- - A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- - Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- - Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones - Peter's Friends -
Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - Friends - Damage - Bad
Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - Waterland - The Crying Game
- - Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - Othello - Long Day
Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards End - God on the
Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - Best Intentions -
Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - The Miracle - The
Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's War - Life is Sweet
- - In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My Song - Diplomatic
Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of the South - Ballad of
Sad CafΘ - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The Final Frame - The Dive -
The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - Shooting Stars -
Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December Bride - Conquest of the
South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - Tree of Hands - The
Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - Strapless - Queen of Hearts
- - In Fading Light - Diamond Skulls - Angry Earth - We Think the World of
You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the Model - Pascali's Island
- - Paris by Night - On the Black Hill - Nanou - Milk and Honey - Leave to
Remain - Ladder of Swords - Joyriders - Hope and Glory - High Hopes -
Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish You Were Here - The
Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker - The Deceivers -
The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday - Sammy and Rosie
Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your Ears - Playing Away -
Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season - Hidden City -
Good Morning Babylon - Empire State - Drowning By Numbers - Crime Pays -
Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the Country - A
Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father - Ping Pong - A Zed
and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born of Fire - My
Beautiful Laundrette - Comrades - Letter to Brezhnev - Billy the Kid and
the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - No Surrender - Lamb
- - Heavenly Pursuits - Christmas Present - Eat the Peach - Good and Bad
at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight - Parker - A Room
with a View - The Assam Garden - Summer Lightning - Restless Natives - A
Song for Europe - Wetherby - Sacred Hearts - The Chain - She'll Be
Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger - Forever Young -
Success is the Best Revenge - Singleton's Pluck - The Company of Wolves
- - Acceptable Levels - Heat and Dust - Arthur's Hallowed Ground -
Insignificance - The Innocent - El Norte - Paris Texas - Flight to
Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners - Loose Connections
- - Reflections - The Country Girls - In the White City - Squaring the
Circle - Sharma and Beyond - A Flame to Phoenix - Meantime - Those
Glory, Glory Days - Another Time, Another Place - The Ploughman's Lunch
- - The Bad Sister - Red Monarch - Nelly's Version - Living Apart Together
- - Walter and June - Accounts - I'll Fares the Land - Secrets -
Moonlighting - Hero - Bad Hats - Giro City - Praying Mantis -
Remembrance - The Draughtsmans Contract - Angel - Experience Preferred
But Not Essential - The Disappearance of Harry - P'Tang Yang Kipperbang
- - Walter


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