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movies-digest        Sunday, September 24 2000        Volume 02 : Number 294



RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
Re:[MV] American psycho - 2000
[MV] RE: American psycho - 2000
[MV] Re: American psycho - 2000
[MV] **Spoilers**  American psycho, the ending.
[MV] RE: **Spoilers** American psycho
Re: [MV] How many people on this list?.
Re: [MV] Re: American psycho - 2000
Re: [MV] RE: **Spoilers** American psycho
Re: [MV] How many people on this list?.
Re: [MV] How many people on this list?.
Re: [MV] SNATCH - ubermesiterpiece or more of the same?
Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
RE: [MV] SNATCH - ubermesiterpiece or more of the same?
RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
RE: [MV] **Spoilers**  American psycho, the ending.
[MV] Shaft - 2000  -  2/5
[MV] SNATCH (2000) - 4/5
[MV] requiem for a dream
Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
Re: [MV] RE: **Spoilers** American psycho
RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
[MV] Stigmata - 1999

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:27:07 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

Hey Mark,
I saw Blue Man Group in Chicago at the Briar Street Theatre. I'm wondering
if they do the same skits in Vegas?
Drumming while pouring colored liquid
Eating cereal
Twinkie eating with a guest from the audience
The tube drumming
and
The toilet paper
I was hoping that the show in Vegas would be different so I'd have something
to look forward to if I make it out there.
Did you see any other shows you'd recommend?
Julie


- -----Original Message-----
From: MARK [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:16 AM
To: '[e-mail]'
Subject: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.



    Sorry to go off topic for a little bit, but I've just returned
from a trip to the States where I saw Blue Man Group in Vegas.  I can
remember a short while ago someone asking whether the show was any good
and should they go and see it.  Well I'll tell ya it was AWESOME, truly
the most wonderful visual and aural experience ever, hilarious and
ingenious.  If you get the chance, buy steal, beg or kill for tickets,
it's that good.


    MARK

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:43:25 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

I saw them in NY City last year, and they did all the bits listed below.  I
loved the show, but would also like to know if their Vegas act is different.

on 9/20/2000 11:27 AM, [e-mail] at
[e-mail] wrote:

> I saw Blue Man Group in Chicago at the Briar Street Theatre. I'm wondering
> if they do the same skits in Vegas?
> Drumming while pouring colored liquid
> Eating cereal
> Twinkie eating with a guest from the audience
> The tube drumming
> and
> The toilet paper


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:41:15 +0200 (MET DST)
From: [e-mail] (Manuel Morrens)
Subject: Re:[MV] American psycho - 2000

>Hi !
>
>I had high hopes for this film and it certainly delivered
nicely.  4/5 is my
>score so it will probably make it in my "Top 10" list for the
year 2000 as
>well.
I saw the movie too and frankly, it sucks big time. There are
two things in it I liked. One of them Is the scene with the
two hookers and the chainsaw. Another aspect is that he just
keeps on talking about the songs from the 80s, apart from
that, there wasn't much shocking about it. In the book he
fucking a head he cut of, or puts rats in the vagina of women.
So it could be much more shocking as it's supposed to be now.

>Christian Bale gives a brilliant performance that should get
an Oscar
>nomination, but can the ACADEMY do this ?? This is such
a "nasty" film ??
As for his performance, I think there was waaay too much
overacting from his part, so he can forget about the academy
award if it depends on me. You'll say that's a part from his
role, but if you want to play such a psycho you could at least
drop the dumb look all the time. Reese Witherspoon was a
relief when she appeared on the screen, and not because she's
Reese Witherspoon:)
>
>It is very well made technically and some parts reminded me
of "Eyes wide
>shut" & "A clockwork orange" as well ...
>Excellent but some parts are indeed SHOCKING ...
Excuse me, but comparing this crap with Kubrick???? Try Ed
Wood!




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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:43:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: American psycho - 2000

> Of course this film is based on a book that was very controversial, just
> like the movie.  I haven't read it but maybe the book was about a guy that
> just simply killed because he was psychotic ... the film is not so clear cut
> especially because of the ending that makes
> you wonder big time about everything you have just seen.

The book is as equally ambiguous in the end as the film.  I do not recommend
the book, even to those who enjoyed the film.  The book is highly repetitive
and contains extremely graphic scenes that go above and beyond what is in the
film.  These scenes are clearly meant for pure shock value and detract from
the books satiric themes.  The film is a clever extraction of everything that
is good about the book, and is far superior.

> This is a world that can drive people mad just because someone elses
> business card has the perception of being nicer than the other guys, sounds
> like a TRAGEDY ??

What a great scene!  That scene works better than in the book, because it is
more obvious how similar the cards are.

> Christian Bale gives a brilliant performance that should get an Oscar
> nomination, but can the ACADEMY do this ?? This is such a "nasty" film ??

Anthony Hopkins won for playing Hannibal Lector, so why not?

> There is no clear conclusion to the film.  You can
> interpret it two ways.

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The question, of course, is did the killings actually occur?  The director,
Mary Harron, has stated that her view is that everything is real up until the
ATM scene, and that the resulting sequence is just a fantasy.

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:46:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Re: American psycho - 2000

> I saw the movie too and frankly, it sucks big time. There are
> two things in it I liked. One of them Is the scene with the
> two hookers and the chainsaw. Another aspect is that he just
> keeps on talking about the songs from the 80s, apart from
> that, there wasn't much shocking about it.

The point of the film, however, wasn't to be shocking.  The filmmakers
deliberately toned down the violence from the book and focuses on the satire.
This isn't a slasher film.

> Excuse me, but comparing this crap with Kubrick???? Try Ed
> Wood!

Even if you didn't like the film, at least it was competantly made, which is
more than can be said for Ed Wood films.

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:07:29 EDT
From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] **Spoilers**  American psycho, the ending.

**Warning : Spoilers**

** Adding comments to yours ... great analysis, Allen !
;o)

- --------------

Yes Marc,

Like Mel Brook's "Young Frankenstein", this film has so many hidden facets
that you must be carful or miss them completely.  Many people really didn't
understand the last 15 or so minutes of the film.

***** Yes, I like how it is not a clear cut case ... making people think a
little, excellent !   I was surprised by the ending of this film as I had
not heard too much about it previously ... contrarely to The 6th sense,
Magnolia or Fight club for example ... all 3 of those films have a "twist"
near the end but those were more "publicized" ... it was more unexpected in
this
case.


Just in case you missed it, here's what happens:
He's been storing the bodies of his victims in the apartment of the first
co-worker he killed.  However, when the co-worker is declared missing, the
owners of this hugely expensive apartment house, come in, find all the
bodies, then rather than have their multi million dollar go down the drain
(after all, who wants to live in a building with the reputation of being a
' killing palace?), they secret all the bodies out and clean up and repaint
as though nothing has happened.

You noticed, the rental agent gives clear indication that she knows why he
was there:

Rental Agent:  "Did you see the ad in the paper?"
Baylor: "Yes."
Rental Agent: "There was no ad in the paper.  I suggest you get out of here
right now, and don't come back!"

It's a sign of the times.  She'd rather protect her employer and her rental
fee for a super expensive apartment, than do the right thing to get a mass
murderer of the streets.

****** Oh hum ... yes this is an interpretation ... and it would be possible
of course ... But maybe she said that about the ad in the paper just to
"test him", to see if he was just a weirdo who wandered in because the door
wasn't closed properly ... asking him questions to see if he was telling the
truth .. and of course he failed ...

Also note, the other high up co-worker, who doesn't remember anyone's
name.  He's mixed up Bale's character with the missing co-worker and,
inadvertently, gives him an iron clad alibi by insisting he was at lunch
with Bale and three others on a specific day and time.

In the end, he compounds the tragedy, by refusing to believe Bale's
telephone confession to him - regarding it as a crass joke.   Then insists
he had dinner in London, twice, with the missing co-worker: rather than
admit the possibility he's made a mistake.

**** Yes, again you can see it like that or maybe he was REALLY telling the
truth about having dinner with the missing fellow a couple of times in
London ... it works both ways again ... clever chops !

In the end, that look on Bale's face as he's sitting with his morally
empty co-workers trying to decide on a place to have lunch, he realizes
that he's gotten away with mas murder.

***** Or he realizes that he is CRAZY and that all this time it was his sick
mind at work making him imagine all this !  I was thinking of all the
doodles in his office ... and how he was often doing them too while talking
on the phone for example ... not thinking too much about what he was doing
... but perhaps giving us a glimpse into his TWISTED WORLD !  ;o)

An incredible film.  Many viewers
thought the last 15 minutes of the film was a dream sequence.  It wasn't!

***** I am not so sure about that as I said ... I think both interpretations
could be seen as "correct" actually ... my first thought was that he had
imagined everything, that he was a psychotic ...  but then I was thinking
about the film more and your way of thinking would be just as possible ...
intriguing situation !

***** The fact they were repainting his "friend's" apartment was certainly
indicating that they were trying to hide something though .. and they were
acting all mysteryoso as well ... Mmmmmm ... making me think some more !
hehe !  But I thought some parts were a bit hard to swallow .. like when he
shoots the cop cars and they blow up for example .. could that have happened
for REAL ?? ... how about if some parts are real, and some other parts are
only his imagination ??  Makes me wonder !

I repeat again, an incredible film!!!   By the way, I really loved the
intelligent, coy performance of the actor who played the private
detective.  He was really believable.
Allen

***** Mmmm .. Oh yeah !  Willem Dafoe !  He could have had more scenes as
well ... in fact I think this film was a bit too short ... **only** 1 hour
40 minutes or so ... a good 15-20 minutes could have been added easily and
made it an even more powerful film in my opinion.  Still an excellent movie
of course !  4/5   Marc  ;o)





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:25:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: **Spoilers** American psycho

Allen's comments are prefaced with a ">>" and Marc's comments are prefaced
with a ">"

> **Warning : Spoilers**

>> She'd rather protect her employer and her rental
>> fee for a super expensive apartment, than do the right thing to get a mass
>> murderer of the streets.

That's one interpretation.  By looking at the "text" of the film, however, the
interpretation that the killings never occurred and that Paul Allen really
*is* in London is equally valid.

>> Also note, the other high up co-worker, who doesn't remember anyone's
>> name.  He's mixed up Bale's character with the missing co-worker and,
>> inadvertently, gives him an iron clad alibi by insisting he was at lunch
>> with Bale and three others on a specific day and time.

Or, quite possibly, Bateman did eat lunch with them that day and didn't
remember it.  He seems quite unsure.

>> In the end, he compounds the tragedy, by refusing to believe Bale's
>> telephone confession to him - regarding it as a crass joke.   Then insists
>> he had dinner in London, twice, with the missing co-worker: rather than
>> admit the possibility he's made a mistake.

One of the overriding themes in AMERICAN PSYCHO is that of mistaken identity.
Everybody in this world is virtually identical.  In addition, everyone is
self-absorbed.  The result is that everybody keeps mixing everybody else up.
I think the lawyer genuinely thinks he had dinner with Paul Allen.  Whether or
not he actually did is up for debate.

>> In the end, that look on Bale's face as he's sitting with his morally
>> empty co-workers trying to decide on a place to have lunch, he realizes
>> that he's gotten away with mas murder.

Actually, it's the realization that his killings haven't removed him from the
drudgery of his world, or brought any sort of peace of mind.  Look at the sign
on the door behind him: "This is not an exit."

>> An incredible film.  Many viewers
>> thought the last 15 minutes of the film was a dream sequence.  It wasn't!

Actually, the director has stated that the sequence was imagined, although she
didn't think the other killings were.  Even if we put her comments aside,
let's look at the "text."  Do ATMs really say "Feed Me a Kitten?"  No, I don't
think they do.  Most of that sequence was clearly imagined.

> But I thought some parts were a bit hard to swallow .. like when he
> shoots the cop cars and they blow up for example .. could that have happened
> for REAL ??

Again, that is meant to be a fantasy.  Bateman even pauses and looks at his
gun in wonder at that point.  Quite hilarious.

> Mmmm .. Oh yeah !  Willem Dafoe !  He could have had more scenes as
> well ...

His character did have some more screen time that was cut out.  Before the
film was released, part of the marketing involved getting a daily email from
"Patrick Bateman" which included a video clip.  Those clips included
interviews as well as outtakes and deleted scenes.  It was a great promotion.
Sadly, none of this is on the DVD, so I'm holding out for a "special edition"
that hopefully will include a director's commentary.  Whether or not it'll
ever be released, I don't know, but I'm hoping my gamble will pay off.

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:06:16 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] How many people on this list?.

There's less rules on this list because the majority are over 24 while
on the n64 list, the majority are under 24 years old.
You will still be kicked off this list if you post profanity, spam, too
many off topic posts.

- -Vi

Hum, why is there a difference there? An age should'nt really make a
difference, what if all the members are lying about their ages?

- -Jed
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:27:35 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: American psycho - 2000

"(Paul D Richardson)" wrote:
>
> The point of the film, however, wasn't to be shocking.  The filmmakers
> deliberately toned down the violence from the book and focuses on the satire.
> This isn't a slasher film.

...which is a point people who have never read the book tend to
miss. If there is a misgiving for me over American Psycho, it's that
it skirts a little too broadly between satire and slapstick. But in
the film's defence, how could it do anything but? The fear of the
dreaded NC-17 rating means that it almost had to be a comedy lest
the censors demand it be chopped to pieces. As it is, th eonly cut
the censors demanded was a scene where Bale is looking at himself in
the mirror while having sex. Cutting people up with chainsaws? No
problem. Sledgehammer to the back of the head? No problem.
Consensual sex? CUT THAT OUT, YOU EVIL FILMMAKERS!

> > Excuse me, but comparing this crap with Kubrick???? Try Ed
> > Wood!
>
> Even if you didn't like the film, at least it was competantly made, which is
> more than can be said for Ed Wood films.

Eyes Wide Shut was the biggest load of self-important bollocks of
last year. Talk about style over substance...

OZ


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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:33:10 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: **Spoilers** American psycho

"(Paul D Richardson)" wrote:
>
> Actually, it's the realization that his killings haven't removed him from the
> drudgery of his world, or brought any sort of peace of mind.  Look at the sign
> on the door behind him: "This is not an exit."

I'm glad someone else noticed this. All of my friends missed it
completely. Great note to end things on.

> Actually, the director has stated that the sequence was imagined, although she
> didn't think the other killings were.  Even if we put her comments aside,
> let's look at the "text."  Do ATMs really say "Feed Me a Kitten?"  No, I don't
> think they do.  Most of that sequence was clearly imagined.

My ATM says that. But I can never wedge the kittens into the slot to
my satisfaction. Quite annoying. I'm a fire engine. Wibble.

> Sadly, none of this is on the DVD, so I'm holding out for a "special edition"
> that hopefully will include a director's commentary.  Whether or not it'll
> ever be released, I don't know, but I'm hoping my gamble will pay off.

The relationship between Lion's Gate and the director ain't exactly
fab, so I don't think it's going to happen. She's still hurting
about being sacked when she refused to dump Bale for Leo DiCaprio.
Eventually they had to bring her back when Leo bailed (Baled?) but
the bitterness is still there.

OZ

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:35:28 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] How many people on this list?.

Jed Cross wrote:
>
> Hum, why is there a difference there? An age should'nt really make a
> difference, what if all the members are lying about their ages?

Lower percentage of messages where pE0pLe rite |iKe tHi$, |'d $@y. U
+h|nK?

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:52:35 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] How many people on this list?.

>
> Lower percentage of messages where pE0pLe rite |iKe tHi$, |'d $@y. U
> +h|nK?

yep. Oz rulz!
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:47:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] SNATCH - ubermesiterpiece or more of the same?

In a message dated 09/20/2000 3:04:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< MARK  >>

Not that I like to nitpick, but you misspelt "=FCbermeisterpiece." :)

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:51:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

In a message dated 09/20/2000 7:21:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Sorry to go off topic for a little bit, but I've just returned
 from a trip to the States where I saw Blue Man Group in Vegas.  I can
 remember a short while ago someone asking whether the show was any good
 and should they go and see it.  Well I'll tell ya it was AWESOME, truly
 the most wonderful visual and aural experience ever, hilarious and
 ingenious.  If you get the chance, buy steal, beg or kill for tickets,
 it's that good. >>

Couldn't agree more.  I thought it was supposed to be some sort of boring
musical performance (ah, the naivity of the high school freshman :) ), but I
would definitely love to go back.  Good choice in taking the time to see it,
Mark.
- -Eric-

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:00:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

In a message dated 09/20/2000 11:25:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Hey Mark,
 I saw Blue Man Group in Chicago at the Briar Street Theatre. I'm wondering
 if they do the same skits in Vegas?  >>

Interesting question.  I'd wonder the same thing, since I as well saw it at
the Briar Street Theatre.  Well, I don't really care where it is, I'd like to
go back.
- -Eric-

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:41:31 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] SNATCH - ubermesiterpiece or more of the same?

yep, I did,but I knew you'd pick it up "Pikachu Boy"

:)

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:    21 September 2000 02:47
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] SNATCH - ubermesiterpiece or more of the same?
>=20
> In a message dated 09/20/2000 3:04:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
> [e-mail] writes:
>=20
> << MARK  >>
>=20
> Not that I like to nitpick, but you misspelt "=FCbermeisterpiece." :)
>=20
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:42:32 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

Don't mean to nit-pick but you spelled "Naivety" wrong  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    21 September 2000 02:52
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
>
> In a message dated 09/20/2000 7:21:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Sorry to go off topic for a little bit, but I've just returned
>  from a trip to the States where I saw Blue Man Group in Vegas.  I can
>  remember a short while ago someone asking whether the show was any
> good
>  and should they go and see it.  Well I'll tell ya it was AWESOME,
> truly
>  the most wonderful visual and aural experience ever, hilarious and
>  ingenious.  If you get the chance, buy steal, beg or kill for
> tickets,
>  it's that good. >>
>
> Couldn't agree more.  I thought it was supposed to be some sort of
> boring
> musical performance (ah, the naivity of the high school freshman :) ),
> but I
> would definitely love to go back.  Good choice in taking the time to
> see it,
> Mark.
> -Eric-
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:43:04 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

Yep, that was all done in Vegas

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    David F. Nolan [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    20 September 2000 19:43
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.
>
> I saw them in NY City last year, and they did all the bits listed
> below.  I
> loved the show, but would also like to know if their Vegas act is
> different.
>
> on 9/20/2000 11:27 AM, [e-mail] at
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > I saw Blue Man Group in Chicago at the Briar Street Theatre. I'm
> wondering
> > if they do the same skits in Vegas?
> > Drumming while pouring colored liquid
> > Eating cereal
> > Twinkie eating with a guest from the audience
> > The tube drumming
> > and
> > The toilet paper
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:59:14 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] **Spoilers**  American psycho, the ending.

Or.....Is the film a satire on the facelessness and excess of the 80's,
and nobody is really nobody, no one cares about the killings, less so
who did them.  Therefore his efforts to stand out and be different all
came to naught!!

Mark


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> From:    Marc Desbiens [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    20 September 2000 22:07
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] **Spoilers**  American psycho, the ending.
>
>
> **Warning : Spoilers**
>
> ** Adding comments to yours ... great analysis, Allen !
> ;o)
>
> --------------
>
> Yes Marc,
>
> Like Mel Brook's "Young Frankenstein", this film has so many hidden
> facets
> that you must be carful or miss them completely.  Many people really
> didn't
> understand the last 15 or so minutes of the film.
>
> ***** Yes, I like how it is not a clear cut case ... making people
> think a
> little, excellent !   I was surprised by the ending of this film as I
> had
> not heard too much about it previously ... contrarely to The 6th
> sense,
> Magnolia or Fight club for example ... all 3 of those films have a
> "twist"
> near the end but those were more "publicized" ... it was more
> unexpected in
> this
> case.
>
>
> Just in case you missed it, here's what happens:
> He's been storing the bodies of his victims in the apartment of the
> first
> co-worker he killed.  However, when the co-worker is declared missing,
> the
> owners of this hugely expensive apartment house, come in, find all the
> bodies, then rather than have their multi million dollar go down the
> drain
> (after all, who wants to live in a building with the reputation of
> being a
> ' killing palace?), they secret all the bodies out and clean up and
> repaint
> as though nothing has happened.
>
> You noticed, the rental agent gives clear indication that she knows
> why he
> was there:
>
> Rental Agent:  "Did you see the ad in the paper?"
> Baylor: "Yes."
> Rental Agent: "There was no ad in the paper.  I suggest you get out of
> here
> right now, and don't come back!"
>
> It's a sign of the times.  She'd rather protect her employer and her
> rental
> fee for a super expensive apartment, than do the right thing to get a
> mass
> murderer of the streets.
>
> ****** Oh hum ... yes this is an interpretation ... and it would be
> possible
> of course ... But maybe she said that about the ad in the paper just
> to
> "test him", to see if he was just a weirdo who wandered in because the
> door
> wasn't closed properly ... asking him questions to see if he was
> telling the
> truth .. and of course he failed ...
>
> Also note, the other high up co-worker, who doesn't remember anyone's
> name.  He's mixed up Bale's character with the missing co-worker and,
> inadvertently, gives him an iron clad alibi by insisting he was at
> lunch
> with Bale and three others on a specific day and time.
>
> In the end, he compounds the tragedy, by refusing to believe Bale's
> telephone confession to him - regarding it as a crass joke.   Then
> insists
> he had dinner in London, twice, with the missing co-worker: rather
> than
> admit the possibility he's made a mistake.
>
> **** Yes, again you can see it like that or maybe he was REALLY
> telling the
> truth about having dinner with the missing fellow a couple of times in
>
> London ... it works both ways again ... clever chops !
>
> In the end, that look on Bale's face as he's sitting with his morally
> empty co-workers trying to decide on a place to have lunch, he
> realizes
> that he's gotten away with mas murder.
>
> ***** Or he realizes that he is CRAZY and that all this time it was
> his sick
> mind at work making him imagine all this !  I was thinking of all the
> doodles in his office ... and how he was often doing them too while
> talking
> on the phone for example ... not thinking too much about what he was
> doing
> ... but perhaps giving us a glimpse into his TWISTED WORLD !  ;o)
>
> An incredible film.  Many viewers
> thought the last 15 minutes of the film was a dream sequence.  It
> wasn't!
>
> ***** I am not so sure about that as I said ... I think both
> interpretations
> could be seen as "correct" actually ... my first thought was that he
> had
> imagined everything, that he was a psychotic ...  but then I was
> thinking
> about the film more and your way of thinking would be just as possible
> ...
> intriguing situation !
>
> ***** The fact they were repainting his "friend's" apartment was
> certainly
> indicating that they were trying to hide something though .. and they
> were
> acting all mysteryoso as well ... Mmmmmm ... making me think some more
> !
> hehe !  But I thought some parts were a bit hard to swallow .. like
> when he
> shoots the cop cars and they blow up for example .. could that have
> happened
> for REAL ?? ... how about if some parts are real, and some other parts
> are
> only his imagination ??  Makes me wonder !
>
> I repeat again, an incredible film!!!   By the way, I really loved the
> intelligent, coy performance of the actor who played the private
> detective.  He was really believable.
> Allen
>
> ***** Mmmm .. Oh yeah !  Willem Dafoe !  He could have had more scenes
> as
> well ... in fact I think this film was a bit too short ... **only** 1
> hour
> 40 minutes or so ... a good 15-20 minutes could have been added easily
> and
> made it an even more powerful film in my opinion.  Still an excellent
> movie
> of course !  4/5   Marc  ;o)
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:11:58 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Shaft - 2000  -  2/5

    I really wanted to like this movie, heck Sam's Da MAN!  But I
found it messy with the dullest of dull plotlines.  Sam was right to
argue with John Singleton, as this guy doesn't have a damn artistic bone
in his body.  Thank god for a a few funny lines and Busta Rhymes -
otherwise this film wouldn't have even ranked.

    MARK

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:25:06 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] SNATCH (2000) - 4/5

    Well, here's my review of "Snatch", you can also find it on
Aint-it-Cool, it's kinda fun reading all the little talkbacks to my
review

Well it's just my jinging luck, for the first time in my 29 years I get
to go to the States for 3 weeks, as you can imagine, I was sooooo very
excited at this prospect. I got to check out The Cell (dire), Hollow Man
(Popcorn Fun), Space Cowboys(silly plot), and Coyote Ugly(Flashdance
anyone?). However, my glee was soured somewhat before my departure when
I realised that SNATCH was to open on 4th September here in the UK, bang
smack in the middle of my vacation. With a slightly downhearted feeling
I resolved to see the film immediately upon my return to blighty. Well,
our petrol crisis slightly scuppered my plans, but I did get to see the
film on Saturday (having returned on Thursday), was it worth the wait -
hell yeah!! kind of.
Still reeling from the effects of jet lag (5 hour flight from Maui to
San Fran, a 7 hour wait in San Fran Airport, a 10 hour flight from San
Fran to Heathrow and then a 3.5 hour drive - all this with absolutely no
sleep and only The Skulls on the plane to keep me interested - I AM
NEVER FLYING UNITED AIRLINES AGAIN!!!), I settled down in the UCG
Megaplex in Sheffield and eagerly awaited the film.
Now I'm sure that everyone knows the plot inside out - it's all about a
stolen diamond - AND THAT'S IT!!. However, this gem purely acts as a
catalyst for a series of situations and characters to be played out, and
this is the films strength - FORGET THE FREAKING STORY, JUST SIT BACK
AND ENJOY THE RIDE!!!
This film is essentially LOCK, STOCK 2, no matter what anybody else
says, but only in the same way as Robin and the 7 Hoods could be classed
as a sequel to Oceans 11, ie, mainly it's the same actors playing the
same characters with different names - but who cares when it's this much
fun.
It's a darker film than LSa2SB, but for my mind has more depth. Where as
Ritchies previous opus was a flimsily thrown together story, SNATCH is a
less flimisly thrown together story, but with more characterisations, if
we forget the 2 main characters Turkish and Tommy - Don't get me wrong
they are a necessity, and Turkish especially adds to the film, but
unfortunately, they ain't given much meat to chew with. Jason Statham
shines out, making the most of his lines, but these characters are the
least interesting of the film.
Turkish and Tommy are illegal boxing promoters looking to make money in
a shady world, they set up a fight with devious crime lord "Brick Top" -
a FANTASTIC Alan Ford - who definitely says "cunt" or should I say
"CAHNT!" better than anyone else. However their plans are scuppered when
Pikey/Gypsy/Traveller "Mickey" ( Brad Pitt - more on this newcomer
later), decks their fighter with one punch after a bust up over a
caravan, and leaves them unable to fulfill their fight with Brick Top.
Now Brick Top is not a man to be messed with, as he will quickly chop
you up and feed you to his pigs who, he informs us "Can eat 2 pounds of
raw flesh a minute." So how do they sort it out, well.......go watch the
film you monkeys!!!
Now this makes it seem simplistic, but running alongside this story is a
yiddish diamond theft in Holland, involving Benicio Del Torro (where da
fuck did that accent come from), Dennis Farina, and Eastenders' own
dodgy car dealer Mike "RICKY!!" Reid
Of course the two plots intertwine, through a Russian gun runner "Boris
the Blade" (Rene Szerbvadfdlakj;ldsakj - or whatever), A hitman for Hire
"Bullet Tooth Tony" (The excellent Vinnie Jones, far better than he was
in Lock, Stock and despite Gone in 60 Seconds, proving that he can
handle dialogue with faultless ease.), 3 guys holding up a betting shop
and a Dog with what seems like an inherent hatred of long leather coats.
Throw into the mix murder, more underworld villains and a very sharp
script and you have SNATCH. A hugely enjoyable film, snappy, witty and
damn good fun.
Let's come back to this new guy Brad Pitt, don't know if you've heard
much about him. He's a pretty young boy, apparently he's married to
someone from the t.v. show "Chums" or something - joking aside, he is
excellent as the Pikey Mickey, his Irish accent hiding words and making
him almost undecipherable, which is the whole point of the character. If
ever I have seen one character make a film - this is IT! What with Fight
Club and Snatch, Pitt is showing himself to be a true actor and not just
a face. When I first heard that he was to be in the film I was
skeptical, sure I like Pitt but I thought too much of the picture may
have rested on him - I'm glad to say I was wrong, Ritchie thankfully
uses his character as a crutch to the rest of the film, instead of the
main point of the film and boy does it work.
Ritchies' direction is more assured than in Lock, Stock, and still has
the flashy style of an auteur, however, this could be his downfall. He
needs to change his style for his next film, and perhaps loose a bit of
the gimmickery. Certainly, he should now leave british gangsters alone,
he started the recent chapter with Lock, Stock and will hopefully close
it with Snatch, and with one noticeable exception - the excellent
Gangster No. 1., it's been a genre that has failed (Circus, Rancid
Alluminium anyone?).
So in closing, go see Snatch, it's snappy, witty and enjoyable, even if
it is just more of the same - Guy, just give us something different next
time.
Till Next Time.
MARK
P.S. Vinnie Jones - hated him as a footballer, thought he was so, so in
Lock, Stock...but he really comes into his own in Snatch - he's gonna be
huge.


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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:45:09 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] requiem for a dream

    I urge you all to go here

    http://www.requiemforadream.com

    It's the website for the new Darren Aronofsky film (director of
PI)

    Just when you think there's no more, wait and it will continue


    MARK



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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:24:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

In a message dated 09/21/2000 12:42:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Don't mean to nit-pick but you spelled "Naivety" wrong  :) >>

Heheh.  Das ist nicht gut.  Mein Deutsch ist besser als mein Englisch, ja?  :)

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:08:46 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 09/21/2000 12:42:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Don't mean to nit-pick but you spelled "Naivety" wrong  :) >>
>
> Heheh.  Das ist nicht gut.  Mein Deutsch ist besser als mein Englisch, ja?  :)

Qu'est-ce que c'est? Je ne parle pas Allemand.  Les Anglais s'il vous plaεt


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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:05:59 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: **Spoilers** American psycho

At 11.33 AM 21/09/2000 -0700, Chris Parry wrote:
>"(Paul D Richardson)" wrote:
>>
>> Actually, it's the realization that his killings haven't removed him
from the
>> drudgery of his world, or brought any sort of peace of mind.  Look at
the sign
>> on the door behind him: "This is not an exit."
>
>I'm glad someone else noticed this. All of my friends missed it
>completely. Great note to end things on.

Well, having watched it on video last night (meaning to, but the discussion
spurred me on), I would have missed it (at least on video) because of the
size.  Although, on one hand, it was nice NOT to have the message in big
glowing, red, six-inch-high neon letters (and the audience STILL misses the
message), on the other it was just too obscure on video.  Hopefully, the
sign was more noticable on the big screen.

>
>> Actually, the director has stated that the sequence was imagined,
although she
>> didn't think the other killings were.  Even if we put her comments aside,
>> let's look at the "text."  Do ATMs really say "Feed Me a Kitten?"  No, I
don't
>> think they do.  Most of that sequence was clearly imagined.

It seemed pretty obvious that we were looking at the world thru Bateman's
eyes, and it was an, uh, "unique" perspective.  I mean, come on, even in
the decadent 80s, even the Yuppie Scum, as bad as they treated some people,
they didn't threaten to kill them in public.

Additionally, the one line that should have been played more obscure was
rather to the point.  When his secretary overheard the message from the
girlfriend, and he told her that if she stayed, he would only hurt her,
well most women in that situation would think he meant emotionally, down
the road.  But she fully expected bruises.  This went in the other
direction, where he would have been given the benefit of the doubt, and
wasn't.

Oh, and the gun scene.  I mean, OK, it's not a revolver, and so we don't
have Dirty Harry losing count of 5 or 6 shots, but he still fired the gun
an awful long time without reloading.  Yes, obviously a dream sequence,
from the get-go.  The question is, when did the dream sequence start, and
when did it end??

Overall a difficult movie, but I liked it.  Not easy to recommend (in the
same way Being John Malkovich was), but overall pretty good.  Additionally,
I liked how whenever he wanted to get out of a committment, he used the
line "I have some videos to return".  Hey, better than "I have to wash my
hair":-)

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:43:20 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Blue Man Group - O.T.

Aye lad, but tha's got no fettle for speaking Yorkshire, has tha'?

Remember, nowt put in nowt tekken aht!

MARK

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>
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> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Don't mean to nit-pick but you spelled "Naivety" wrong  :) >>
>
> Heheh.  Das ist nicht gut.  Mein Deutsch ist besser als mein Englisch,
> ja?  :)
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:34:19 EDT
From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Stigmata - 1999

Hello !

Now this film was trashed by many critics but I thought it was a fairly
interesting tale ... It is worth a look especially if you like "supernatural
thrillers" and
don't take it too seriously.

It was an intriguing film and it challenged the very foundations that the
church has stood on for 2000 years.
It asks many questions and it doesn't stop or
appologize for doing so, certainly has more credibility than a film like
"End of days" for example that I consider to be a comedy myself since it is
so over-the-top I was laughing often !

I think that if you watch this film with an open mind you may actually enjoy
it and learn something in the process.  If you are a deeply religious person
though you may be offended by some of the ideas developed in the film,
portraying the Catholic Church in a way that might not be too flattering.

Many people will probably tell you what this movie is about in great lengths
so I won't describe the narrative part concerning the plot in elaborate
details.  You all know that it is about a woman (Patricia Arquette) that
seems to be getting the same wounds that Jesus Christ did
while he was being crucified.

It is up to Father Andrew Kiernan (Gabriel Byrne) to determine if her wounds
are real or not and why this sinful young woman is getting them suddenly.
It is an interesting story and it is well made technically too although the
film is often very loud ... (Was all that Hard rock music necessary ?)

The strength of this film is first of all the actors, but what has to be
mentioned first and foremost is the
director and the editors.

Robert Wainright is a relative newcomer to the business but he paces the
film to perfection.  He keeps you guessing as to when the next sign of the
Stigmata is going to strike and when he wants you to be afraid, he
manipulates you with gripping authority making you uncomfortable.

The editting is what really makes this movie as good and as tense as it is.
Michael Millar and Michael Duthie are both veterans of the business and here
they do a very good job, especially when Frankie (Arquette) is receiving her
Stigmata wounds.  When you see the disturbing images of nails and whips and
crowns of thorns, you actually cringe and slump in your chair, certainly
making you
feel uneasy in part.

Billions and billions of people swear by all sorts of religions. Whether it
is Jesus Christ, Allah, Buddha, Santa, people want and need to believe in a
higher power ...  Religions are all based on faith and Stigmata dares to ask
questions that many don't ask.  But if you see this film, take the time to
talk and think about it later.

It raises some valid points about the Church, the Vatican
and organized religions in general, and that is not me being anti-religious,
that is just the truth.

Not only is Stigmata well made but it is scary, and perhaps that is all that
some people want when they watch a "thriller".  There are indeed some scary
moments and there is a great deal of atmosphere in here but it also goes
"deeper" than that and this makes it a good film to rent on a rainy Sunday
night.

Marc     ;o)

- ---------------------------------------------------------
Customer : "You know what ?? I saw on television the other
day how over there in China they all want to eat macaroni
and cheese ... don't you find it kind of odd ??  I mean
with all the chinese food they got ..."

Barber : "Yeah, well I didn't hear about that ... I must
have missed that program ..."

John Doe as "The customer"
Steve Buscemi as "Charlie-the-Barber"
"Mystery train" - 1989 - 3.5/5
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