> On the other hand, the attention the boycott creates more
> often than not encourages the general public to go see what the fuss is
> about.
That's an excellent point. In my mad fervor to denounce this movie, I
didn't consider that it might spark interest. I'll just say this and
then let the topic go: I hated this movie. In my opinion it is not
worth seeing (luckily I didn't have to pay), and it is a generalized
mockery of both filmmaking and my teenage generation. We SHOULD instead
focus on good movies, but often it's easier to rant about the one flat
tire than rave about the three good tires. But, to defend the value of
discussing terrible movies, I offer a paraphrased quote from the master
himself, Stanley Kubrick: "I didn't know a goddamned thing about making
movies, but I knew I could make one better than that."
Peter Heidenreich
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:36:53 -0700
From: "Bruce Bridges" <Bruce@ffww.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] re: A very bad movie -Reply
Peter,
One point of interest. Every generation has its share of movies that show =
teenagers as moronic neanderthals. I think it comes with the territory. =
=20
bb
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:57:42 -0600
From: "The Reporter" <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: [MV] Sci-Fi Movie News - 05/30/99
Thanks to the Fox Network, you might be able to see
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace on
television uncut and commercial free as soon as
November 2000. The Los Angeles Times reported that Fox
nabbed the TV rights to the film for an undisclosed sum
and is planning a special free TV presentation of the
blockbuster movie.
-=> * <=-
Police have recovered a print of Star Wars: Episode I -
The Phantom Menace that was stolen from a theater
in Menomonie, Wis., sometime during the weekend of
May 21. Three men who were allegedly involved in the
theft surrendered to authorities on May 26, bringing the
missing film reel along with them.
There had been some speculation that the theft was part
of a plot to make bootleg copies of the film, although
police said the motive behind the crime had not yet been
determined. The 40-pound reel was worth a reported
$60,000 on the black market.
-=> * <=-
Although Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
has set two new box-office records since its May 19
release, the Force wasn't enough to totally overcome
the dinosaurs of The Lost World: Jurassic Park. The
Phantom Menace pulled in $61.8 million during the
three-day period between Friday, May 21, and Sunday,
May 23, not enough to eclipse The Lost World's weekend
record of $72 million, set in 1997.
However, The Phantom Menace's opening-day earnings of
$28.5 million did beat out The Lost World's single-day
record of $26.1 million. And Episode I tallied $102.7 million
during its first five days of release, more than enough to
overcome The Lost World's five-day total of $98.8 million,
which was the previous record holder.
Phantom distributor Fox has said the comparisons aren't
entirely fair because The Lost World opened during a
holiday weekend while The Phantom Menace did not.
Meanwhile, industry analysts now say they think there is
little chance that the new Star Wars film will topple the
worldwide box-office record of $1.8 billion set by Titanic in
1997.
-=> * <=-
Carrie-Anne Moss, who most recently starred opposite
Keanu Reeves in the SF action hit The Matrix, will
next share top billing with Val Kilmer in the Warner
Bros. picture Mars. Moss has agreed to play a pilot who
stays in orbit around the Red Planet while an expedition
led by Kilmer begins exploring the Martian surface.
When things begin to go wrong, Moss must decide
whether to follow orders and return to Earth or make a
daring rescue attempt. Mars is racing into production
under the direction of Antony Hoffman in an attempt to
beat Disney's Red Planet feature Mission to Mars into
theaters.
-=> * <=-
The Mummy pulled in another $13.8 million during the
weekend of May 21, bringing its 17-day total up to
$100 million. The film, a remake of the 1932 Boris
Karloff movie of the same name, has performed well for
Universal Pictures despite playing in theaters opposite
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace.
The sister stations TBS and TNT have already purchased
the cable rights to The Mummy and will begin airing the
film as early as 2001. In a separate deal, Starz picked up
the pay TV rights to the film and will begin an
18-month-long run of the movie sometime next year.
-=> * <=-
Universal Pictures is reportedly so pleased with the
success its The Mummy remake that it's considering
doing the same thing for The Bride of Frankenstein.
The modern-day version of The Mummy, which is based
on the 1932 Boris Karloff movie of the same name,
recently passed the $100 million mark at the box office.
Now Variety reports that producer Brian Grazer is planning
to revive The Bride of Frankenstein, which was first filmed
by James Whale in 1935. Universal has actually been
working on a Bride remake for years, with both famed
horror writer Anne Rice and Eve's Bayou scribe Kasi
Lemmons having worked on scripts.
This time around, Grazer--along with Mummy producers
Jim Jacks and Sean Daniel--wants to bring the Bride into
the near future, setting the film about 10 years from now.
"You can create a whole sensibility of the time, from
fashion design to music," he explained to Variety.
-=> * <=-
Night of the Living Dead director George Romero will no
longer be adapting Capcom's best-selling science
fiction/horror game Resident Evil for the big screen.
According to Gamespot News, Romero was kicked off the
high-profile project sometime during the last year.
"His script wasn't good, so Romero was fired," Capcom
producer Yoshiki Okamoto told Gamespot's sister
publication, Electronic Gaming Monthly. "People are trying
to get the script done, but we have to be careful because
it has to fit the Resident Evil feel."
The Resident Evil series has been a hit in the United
States, where it spawned both a "director's cut" of the
original game as well as a best-selling sequel. Romero
seemed like a perfect choice for the project, which
centers around members of an elite police unit who battle
a seemingly inexhaustible supply of scientifically created
zombies.
-=> * <=-
Greg Kinnear, John Goodman, Ben Kingsley, Linda
Fiorentino, Nora Dunn and Judy Greer have been
signed to round out the cast for Mike Nichols'
upcoming SF comedy What Planet Are You From?
Gary Shandling, Annette Bening and Camryn
Manheim have already agreed to star in the film.
-=> * <=-
Variety reports that Ever After star Dougray Scott
is being courted by Fox to play the coveted role of
Wolverine in the upcoming X-Men movie.
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:15:45 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] A very bad movie -Reply
Peter,
As much as I agree with you, I have to side with everyone else that a
boycott will be pointless and ineffective. First of all, I had no idea
that this movie was even in production, much less being released (so
already your boycott movement has defeated its purpose by generating
knowledge of this movie). When I hear American Pie I think either of the
song by Don McLaine or the animated movie, similar to Heavy Metal.
Second of all, I cannot believe that this movie is any worse than The
Faculty or Can't Hardly Wait or Wing Commander or any one of a hundred
truly horrid movies that have wasted precious silver nitrate. Besides,
nothing, NOTHING can be as bad as Speed 2.
Finally, I have noticed a sudden increase this year in the number of teen
angst comedies (ALL ending at the prom, by the way), most of which are,
once again, horrid. Even Whatever, for all of its cutting edge views and
counterculture left me mostly with a feeling of dispare. I mean, I grew up
with such classics as Fast Times at Ridgemont High and The Breakfast Club
(my personal favourites, not to see short such great works as Better Off
Dead or Heathers or any of a number of great teen comedies/coming of age
movies). Hell, even Porkys (maybe even Porkys 3!!!) was better than some
of the recent teen comedies I have seen lately.
At 12.32 PM 03/06/99 -0600, Gary Heidenreich <gheiden@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> It tries to be a generation defining movie and not just a
comedy. In
> doing so, it insinuates that the American teenager is nothing
more than
> a beer guzzling, sex-crazed, shallow, cro-magnon.
Actually, it sounds more like a COLLEGE movie than a teen movie:-)
Anyway, Peter best of luck in getting that bad taste the movie left out of
your mouth. Rest assured that I will not be wasting my money seeing this
at the theatre. Of course, as I said, I had no intention of seeing it
before.:-)
Regards,
- --Mel
- --Mel Eperthener
president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
email: bcassidy@usaor.net
gowanna@australiamail.com
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(412) 781-6140
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:15:50 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] re: A very bad movie
At 11.45 AM 03/06/99 -0700, David F. Nolan wrote:
>Seems to me, it's more to the point to try to build attendance for GOOD
>movies that aren't getting much support from their distributors. A good
>example right now is THE CASTLE. Miramax bought distribution rights on
>the strength of its popularity at the 1998 Sundance Film Festival, where
>it won audience favorite.... but their attention got diverted to other
>films and THE CASTLE was allowed to sit on the shelf, despite some very
>favorable reviews. Now it's finally being shown, but without much
>marketing.
And the scary thing is that Miramax is probably the best at promoting these
movies. Where do you think Shakespeare in Love would be without the
Weinsteins?? Would anyone have even taken a chance on Life is Beautiful??
What about the other Miramax films??:
Strictly Ballroom
Children of the Revolution
The Postman (Il Postino, not the Costner dregs)
Like Water for Chocolate
Mrs Brown
The list goes on and on. The only studio that even comes close is New Line
(For Rosanna, Shine) and occasionally Polygram (which is British anyway).
The Castle is a great movie. Friends from Australia (and there are
listmembers that can back this up, as well) have been praising this movie
for years now. I cannot wait to find the time to see it in the ONE theatre
that is playing it in Pittsburgh. The Castle has not had one bad review
(and I can only recall seeing one that was even medocre about it). Go see
this INSTEAD of American Pie.
Regards,
- --Mel
- --Mel Eperthener
president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
email: bcassidy@usaor.net
gowanna@australiamail.com
http://www.webz.com/gowanna
419 Butler Street
PO Box 95184
Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184
(412) 781-6140
(412) 781-6380
1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE
(1-888-454-6926)
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two minutes, you'd lapse into catatonic schizophrenia"
- --Dana Scully
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 99 15:10:28 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: [MV] Re: Realy, really, really bad movies
Mel Eperthener wrote:
>Besides, nothing, NOTHING can be as bad as Speed 2.
Oh, yeah? How about: Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, Plump Fiction,
Chairman of the Board, I Got The Hook-Up, Belly, The Avengers, Mr. Magoo,
Meet the Deedles, StrangeLand, and Knock Off?
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:20:57 -0700
From: "Jason Cormier" <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Realy, really, really bad movies
Good list - add any Pauly Shore movie and Ernst movie.
- -----Original Message-----
From: David F. Nolan <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
To: movies@lists.xmission.com <movies@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 3:10 PM
Subject: [MV] Re: Realy, really, really bad movies
>Mel Eperthener wrote:
>
>>Besides, nothing, NOTHING can be as bad as Speed 2.
>
>Oh, yeah? How about: Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, Plump Fiction,
>Chairman of the Board, I Got The Hook-Up, Belly, The Avengers, Mr. Magoo,
>Meet the Deedles, StrangeLand, and Knock Off?
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:23:19 -0700
From: "Jason Cormier" <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] re: A very bad movie
That's a good list too! I enjoy October Films - they seem to choose really
interesting projects like twentyfourseven from Shane Meadows and I believe
they also did Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels but I could be wrong on that
one...
>And the scary thing is that Miramax is probably the best at promoting these
>movies. Where do you think Shakespeare in Love would be without the
>Weinsteins?? Would anyone have even taken a chance on Life is Beautiful??
>What about the other Miramax films??:
>
>Strictly Ballroom
>Children of the Revolution
>The Postman (Il Postino, not the Costner dregs)
>Like Water for Chocolate
>Mrs Brown
>
>The list goes on and on. The only studio that even comes close is New Line
>(For Rosanna, Shine) and occasionally Polygram (which is British anyway).
>
>The Castle is a great movie. Friends from Australia (and there are
>listmembers that can back this up, as well) have been praising this movie
>for years now. I cannot wait to find the time to see it in the ONE theatre
>that is playing it in Pittsburgh. The Castle has not had one bad review
>(and I can only recall seeing one that was even medocre about it). Go see
>this INSTEAD of American Pie.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Mel
>
>
>--Mel Eperthener
>president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
>
>email: bcassidy@usaor.net
> gowanna@australiamail.com
>
>http://www.webz.com/gowanna
>
>419 Butler Street
>PO Box 95184
>Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184
>(412) 781-6140
>(412) 781-6380
>1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE
>(1-888-454-6926)
>____________________________________________
>"Mulder, if you had to do without a cell phone for
>two minutes, you'd lapse into catatonic schizophrenia"
>
>--Dana Scully
>______________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 19:53:51 -0400
From: "Chris Culligan" <culligan@gate.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] A very bad movie
I guess I'll go see (it if I feel like it) and form my own opinion. Thanks
anyway.
CHRIS
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From: Gary Heidenreich <gheiden@ix.netcom.com> <gregorys@xmission.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:46 PM
Subject: [MV] A very bad movie
> I'd like to make an honest and sincere request of all the members of
> this movie list. As true film fans and genuine believers that film is
> an ART form and should not be prostituted for the purposes of mindless,
> exploitive, greedy profiteering, I wish to organize a boycott. Soon, a
> film will hit the summer screens. I hesitate to even repeat its foul
> name, but in the interest of education I must. It is called American
> Pie. About a month ago I was unfortunate enough to witness a test
> screening of this waste of celluloid while still at school at
> UW-Madison. The movie is another horrendous exploration of the teenage
> sex comedy genre, but it is done with so little style, so little talent,
> and so much callous disregard for intelligent or even entertaining
> storytelling that is should be avoided at all costs. Since it was a
> test screening, I promptly filled out my evaluation card at the movie's
> long awaited end, but I do not feel that this is enough. If this movie
> does well in the box office, it will only strengthen Hollywood's resolve
> to pump out second-rate trash and erroneously peddle it to the
> movie-going public as quality entertainment. The line must be drawn
> here. Avoid the movie American Pie and fight for the honor of pure
> filmmaking. I realize this may all seem melodramatic and ridiculous,
> but the only way to make a impact on the oligarchy of the Hollywood
> studios is to show them, IN CONCRETE STATISTICAL FIGURES, that people do
> not want to be patronized and insulted by worthless, idiotic movies.
> Stay away from American Pie like the plague!
>
> Peter Heidenreich
>
>
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:06:11 -0700
From: "Bruce Bridges" <Bruce@ffww.com>
Subject: [MV] new address
Hi guys,
I'm changing my address so I'll appear as "brucebri@ix.netcom.com" for now =
on. =20
I will remain the grumpy bastard that you've come to know and love.
bb
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:47:13 EDT
From: KenKnows@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] A very bad movie
In a message dated 6/3/99 9:48:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gregorys@xmission.com writes:
<< I wish to organize a boycott. Soon, a film will hit the summer screens. I
hesitate to even repeat its foul name>>
The Birds? By Alfred Hitchcock?
<<but in the interest of education I must. It is called American Pie.>>
That isn't a fowl name, it's a crusty name. I guess they hope it will make a
lot of dough, and the public will eat it up.
<< If this movie does well in the box office, it will only strengthen
Hollywood's resolve to pump out second-rate trash >>
That would be a great improvement over the third-rate and fourth-rate trash
that Hollywood sometimes pumps out.
<< Perhaps I'm so upset with this movie because it is supposed to be about me
and my generation.>>
I was upset when I learned that Animal House was fictional. I thought it was
a documentary about my generation, but I was misled.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:36:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: magicpatrick@youpy.fr
Subject: Re : Re: [MV] A very bad movie
First, I would like to say that I haven't seen American Pie.
I think that a boycott for bad movies would be hard to make as no one has the same point of view of others. For exemple I think that The avengers is the baddest movie I ever seen, but I liked The Fifth Element. I am sure that some of you would have boycotted it. Starship Troopers is a great movie, but it is my point of view. I would have been very disappointed if it would have been boycotted.
I think that it is like painting, some people dislike Dali's painting. Should we boycott it ?
I think that we need all kinds of movies, including the baddest, to appreciate master pieces.
All the best
Patrick Kraus
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