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From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest) To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: movies-digest V2 #94 Reply-To: movies-digest Sender: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk movies-digest Friday, September 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 094 Re: [MV] Depression at the movies! [MV] Heaven review - 97%!!! RE: [MV] Depressing movies...... RE: [MV] Depressing movies...... [MV] Coming Monday, 9.21, to The Flick Filosopher... [MV] re: Depressing movies! Re: [MV]Wings on the dove and other romantic tragedies Re: [MV] Depression and Manuel Re: [MV] Depressing movies....Point of no return.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:51:36 +0200 From: manuel morrens <mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be> Subject: Re: [MV] Depression at the movies! - --------------978F1993690FE923D1DDFD32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald Taylor wrote: > Thanks for the responses so far. "Bad lieutenant" would certainly > meet the standards as well as the others mentioned. There must be > more though! I have thought of another......"A short film about > killing", well made, thought provoking and extremely depressing!!! > I'd also say that "La reine Margot" might fit the bill as would > "Germinal".~ > Gerry T > ~~~~~ > I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and > self contained, > I stand and look at them long and long. > They do not sweat and whine about their condition, > They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, > they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, > not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning > things, > Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of > years ago, > not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. > Walt > Whitman. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What about "Othello" ....Everything written by Shakespeare for that matter ..except for " Much ado about nothing" etc. ..."Portrait of a lady" was also rather depressing.... "Seven years in Tibet"...now THERE's a movie that depressed the shit out of me....I was so down when I left the theatre... Especially the length of this movie was a killer. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel Morrens mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be Department of Medicine http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties Brussels Free University (lyrics of the eighties) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------978F1993690FE923D1DDFD32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"> Gerald Taylor wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Thanks for the responses so far. "Bad lieutenant" would certainly meet the standards as well as the others mentioned. There must be more though! I have thought of another......"A short film about killing", well made, thought provoking and extremely depressing!!! I'd also say that "La reine Margot" might fit the bill as would "Germinal".~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self contained, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of years ago, not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. Walt Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</BLOCKQUOTE> What about "Othello" ....Everything written by Shakespeare for that matter ..except for " Much ado about nothing" etc. ..."Portrait of a lady" was also rather depressing.... "Seven years in Tibet"...now THERE's a movie that depressed the shit out of me....I was so down when I left the theatre... Especially the length of this movie was a killer. <PRE>-- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel Morrens mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be Department of Medicine <A HREF="http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties">http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties</A> Brussels Free University (lyrics of the eighties) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------</PRE> </BODY> </HTML> - --------------978F1993690FE923D1DDFD32-- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:49:49 -0700 From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca> Subject: [MV] Heaven review - 97%!!! Hello all...another report from the Toronto Film Festival. This one was a midnight madness screening (all of which in this series are usually quite different from mainstream selections). This is definitely the best movie I've seen all year! Absolutely amazing. The movie was like a puzzle that we continually tried to put together - but they kept changing the pieces on us! The movie follows the exploits of Martin Donavan (Opposite of Sex) and his gambling addiction, and his divorce with his wife who wants sole possesion of their son and who is also having an affair with their lawyer/psychologist, and his friend the strip club owner who treats his staff like crap, and his new friend Heaven - a dancer at the club who has the power to sometimes see in the future and gets used by the strip club owner to make money on lotteries and poker and she gets used by the psychologist who passes on the info of her premonitions of Martin getting rich soon to Martin's wife so that she can sue him for more money - but only after he makes advances on Heaven (who is really a guy). A little bit of a run-on sentence but I can't really describe it in a one-liner. Because of Heaven's premonitions - we are treated to not only flash backs but flash forwards and we are always trying to figure out if what we are seeing is a flash forward or the real thing. The editting in this movie is amazing! You will never see a movie editted like this - the pace is so fast and it is in the editting that the film is like a puzzle. I can't give this movie any more kudos - and I'm not sure if or when it will be released - but if you see it anywhere - I'm sure you'll like this dark and sometimes violent tale. 97%. Jay the Movieman movieman@netcom.ca [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:05:36 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net> Subject: RE: [MV] Depressing movies...... At 08.38 AM 18/09/98 -0600, jkrudy wrote: >I totally agree with "Threads". I liked it, but it was so depressing. I've >watched "Point of No Return" about 3 times, and it still depresses the heck >out of me. Sorry, but the only thing I found depressing about Point of No Return is that Hollywood once again took a wonderful film that is literally a work of art (La Femme Nikita) and turned it into complete and utter crap. This was an insult to Luc Besson. Even the USA Network has done better with the Nikita series. Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE (1-888-454-6926) ____________________________________________ "Mulder, if you had to do without a cell phone for two minutes, you'd lapse into catatonic schizophrenia" - --Dana Scully ______________________________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:23:43 -0600 From: jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com> Subject: RE: [MV] Depressing movies...... Ah, but that does not dispel my point that it was depressing, it was just depressing at different levels. Having never seen La Femme Nikita, or the Nikita series on USA, I only had this movie to go on. It is a great plot although not original to Point of No Return, I still enjoyed the concept. I will put La Femme Nikita on my list of vid's to watch this weekend, and then let may I never return to the Point of No Return again. JAMES K. RUDY - -----Original Message----- From: Mel Eperthener [SMTP:bcassidy@usaor.net] Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:06 AM To: movies@lists.xmission.com; 'movies@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [MV] Depressing movies...... At 08.38 AM 18/09/98 -0600, jkrudy wrote: >I totally agree with "Threads". I liked it, but it was so depressing. I've >watched "Point of No Return" about 3 times, and it still depresses the heck >out of me. Sorry, but the only thing I found depressing about Point of No Return is that Hollywood once again took a wonderful film that is literally a work of art (La Femme Nikita) and turned it into complete and utter crap. This was an insult to Luc Besson. Even the USA Network has done better with the Nikita series. Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE (1-888-454-6926) ____________________________________________ "Mulder, if you had to do without a cell phone for two minutes, you'd lapse into catatonic schizophrenia" - --Dana Scully ______________________________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:37:43 -0000 From: The Flick Filosopher's Coming Attractions <flickfilos@aol.com> Subject: [MV] Coming Monday, 9.21, to The Flick Filosopher... The Flick Filosopher's Coming Attractions - http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos Howdy! Y'all miss me? Can you tell I spent my vacation with Southerners? Yep, I pointed the Saturn toward Johnstown, Pennsylvania -- of flood fame - -- to hang out with some musician friends who were performing at the Johnstown Folkfest. Friends from Texas, I might add -- hence the "y'all." Then it was off to Savannah, Tennessee -- when you get to the middle of nowhere, keep going -- for a sort of pagan Celtic wedding. Lots of men with bagpipes, kilts, and lovely Southern accents. What more could a girl ask for? So the Saturn's got a few more thousand miles on the speedometer, my skin is more precancerous than ever thanks to multiple sunburns, and I'm stuffed with wedding cake. I'm also inspired by my foray into the small towns of America to make my return to the Web with a look at Small-Town Living with *Simon Birch* and *The Sweet Hereafter.* Y'all drop by on Monday, now, y'hear? ============================== Want to stay up to date on Hollywood happenings? Starting Monday, you can support The Flick Filosopher when you subscribe to *Entertainment Weekly* and *Premiere* by clicking on the magazine covers at http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos ============================== MaryAnn ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to FlickFilosopher-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:35:00 -0600 From: cHriS <csothman@griffin.nwchiro.edu> Subject: [MV] re: Depressing movies! Anything that makes Van Damme speak complete sentences... - - cHriS [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:36:02 +0100 From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [MV]Wings on the dove and other romantic tragedies This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BDE33B.91DE9120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave......I had'nt seen the movie when the post was written, the tape = was in the machine and I was just set tow watch it. I enjoyed it and = totally agree with your comments. Have you seen "Map of the human = heart" and "Betty Blue"? I think you would enjoy them.~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self = contained, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning = things, Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of = years ago, not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. Walt = Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----Original Message----- From: David Lee <sashimi@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> To: movies@lists.xmission.com <movies@lists.xmission.com> Date: 18 September 1998 14:59 Subject: Re: [MV]Wings on the dove and other romantic tragedies >Finally, somebody mentioned Wings of the Dove. The love story was so >tragic... you don't know who to sympathise with... Helena's character? = or >the guy (what's his name...) anyway, those who watched the show will = know >what i mean... You just end up feeling sad for the one who died...=20 > >Anyway, that was a long time ago... And yes, I absolutely agree with = Gerald >that not all romantic flicks have to have a do-right ending... They can = be >tragic and it is perhaps, the appropriateness of the tragedy that = endears a >love story to the audience. Since time in memorial, audiences around = the >world have fallen in love with Romeo & Juliet, not the least reason why >they had a modern-day update of the story. All it proves is that, in >contrast with stories like English Patient (not that I'm condemning the >movie... it was brilliantly made, with credible performances from = Juliette >Binoche and Ralph Fiennes [for some reason, I don't quite like Christin >Scott Thomas]), love stories which choose to be tragic, need something >beyond scratching the surface. Like what was said about Saving Pte = Ryan, >the audience need something to look up to. It's no longer effective to >treat audience (matured or otherwise) as little children. They want = their >emotions and feelings to be challenged in a movie...=20 > >A good tragic love story does that.=20 > >David=20 > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BDE33B.91DE9120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 = HTML//EN"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Dave......I had'nt seen = the movie=20 when the post was written, the tape was in the machine and I was just = set tow=20 watch it. I enjoyed it and totally agree with your comments. = Have=20 you seen "Map of the human heart" and "Betty = Blue"? I=20 think you would enjoy them.~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could turn = and=20 live with animals, they are so placid and self contained, I stand and = look at=20 them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their=20 condition, They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, they do = not make=20 me sick discussing their duty to God, not one is dissatisfied, not = one=20 demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to another = nor to=20 his own kind that lived thousands of years ago, not one is = respectable or=20 unhappy over the whole=20 earth. &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; =20 Walt = Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</DIV>= <DIV>-----Original Message----- From: = David Lee=20 <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:sashimi@mbox2.singnet.com.sg">sashimi@mbox2.singnet.com.sg= </A>> To:=20 <A = href=3D"mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com">movies@lists.xmission.com</A> = <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com">movies@lists.xmission.com</A>&g= t; Date:=20 18 September 1998 14:59 Subject: Re: [MV]Wings on the dove and other = romantic=20 tragedies </DIV>>Finally, somebody mentioned Wings of = the Dove.=20 The love story was so >tragic... you don't know who to sympathise = with...=20 Helena's character? or >the guy (what's his name...) anyway, those = who=20 watched the show will know >what i mean... You just end up feeling = sad for=20 the one who died... > >Anyway, that was a long time ago... = And yes,=20 I absolutely agree with Gerald >that not all romantic flicks have = to have=20 a do-right ending... They can be >tragic and it is perhaps, the=20 appropriateness of the tragedy that endears a >love story to the = audience.=20 Since time in memorial, audiences around the >world have fallen in = love=20 with Romeo & Juliet, not the least reason why >they had a = modern-day=20 update of the story. All it proves is that, in >contrast with = stories like=20 English Patient (not that I'm condemning the >movie... it was = brilliantly=20 made, with credible performances from Juliette >Binoche and Ralph = Fiennes=20 [for some reason, I don't quite like Christin >Scott Thomas]), = love=20 stories which choose to be tragic, need something >beyond = scratching the=20 surface. Like what was said about Saving Pte Ryan, >the audience = need=20 something to look up to. It's no longer effective to >treat = audience=20 (matured or otherwise) as little children. They want = their >emotions and=20 feelings to be challenged in a movie... > >A good tragic = love story=20 does that. > >David > > > >[ To = leave the=20 movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ = movies=20 (without the quotes) to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:majordomo@xmission.com">majordomo@xmission.com</A> &n= bsp; =20 ] > </BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BDE33B.91DE9120-- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:36:11 +0100 From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [MV] Depression and Manuel This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDE33B.97669520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi manuel.......have not seen "Othello" but will agree about the = Shakespear comment. Potrait of a lady i Just found boring......have not = seen "Seven years" but if it was just crap then it doesn't count!~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and = self contained, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning = things, Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands = of years ago, not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. Walt = Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What about "Othello" = ....Everything written by Shakespeare for that matter ..except for " = Much ado about nothing" etc. ..."Portrait of a lady" was also rather = depressing....=20 =20 "Seven years in Tibet"...now THERE's a movie that depressed the = shit out of me....I was so down when I left the theatre... Especially = the length of this movie was a killer.=20 =20 - --=20 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel Morrens mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be =20 Department of Medicine http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties Brussels Free University (lyrics of the eighties) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDE33B.97669520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 = HTML//EN"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV>Hi manuel.......have not seen = "Othello"=20 but will agree about the Shakespear comment. Potrait of a lady = i Just=20 found boring......have not seen "Seven years" but if it = was just=20 crap then it doesn't count!~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could = turn and=20 live with animals, they are so placid and self contained, I stand = and=20 look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about = their=20 condition, They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, they = do not=20 make me sick discussing their duty to God, not one is = dissatisfied, not=20 one demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to = another=20 nor to his own kind that lived thousands of years ago, not one is = respectable or unhappy over the whole=20 = earth. &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; =20 Walt=20 = Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <B= R><FONT=20 color=3D#000000><FONT=20 = size=3D-1>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What= =20 about "Othello" ....Everything written by Shakespeare for = that=20 matter ..except for " Much ado about nothing" etc.=20 ..."Portrait of a lady" was also rather depressing.... = =20 </DIV> "Seven years in Tibet"...now THERE's a movie that = depressed the shit out of me....I was so down when I left the = theatre...=20 Especially the length of this movie was a killer. = <PRE>-- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel = Morrens = = mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be &n= bsp; Department of = Medicine <A = href=3D"http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties">http://minf.vub.ac.be/~= mmorrens/eighties</A> Brussels Free University = (lyrics of the eighties) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------</PR= E> =20 </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDE33B.97669520-- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:36:06 +0100 From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [MV] Depressing movies....Point of no return.. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BDE33B.947DF420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad you appreciated threads......."Point of no return", is that the = John Badham movie? If it is you should check out Luc besson's "Nikita" = which is the original french version. I dont find any of the versions = depressing myself, but it is a far superior version and I am sure you = will agree.....~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self = contained, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning = things, Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of = years ago, not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. Walt = Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----Original Message----- From: jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com> To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com' <movies@lists.xmission.com> Date: 18 September 1998 15:42 Subject: RE: [MV] Depressing movies...... >I totally agree with "Threads". I liked it, but it was so depressing. = I've >watched "Point of No Return" about 3 times, and it still depresses the = heck >out of me. I think it's so sad that all she ever needed in her life = was a >chance, and once given a chance she embraces it, only to find that = she's >still a prisoner of her past. > >JAMES K. RUDY > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gerald Taylor [SMTP:geeg@vossnet.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:31 PM >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [MV] Depressing movies...... > >Anybody care to share their opinion on films that they thought = depressing? >I am not talking about bad films but films that are good but also very >bleak.......the type that make you think of reaching for a razor blade >because there's no hope for mankind! Off the top of my head I can = think of >four......two are T.V movies one is from the sixties called "Cathy come >home" by the director ken Loach and the other is a tale of nuclear war >called "Threads"......the other two are a russian film called "Come and = see" >and "Henry potrait of a serial killer".......anyone got any more? >~ >Gerry T >~~~~~ >I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self >contained, >I stand and look at them long and long. >They do not sweat and whine about their condition, >They do not lie awake and weep for their sins, >they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, >not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning = things, >Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of = years >ago, >not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. > Walt = Whitman. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BDE33B.947DF420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 = HTML//EN"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Glad you appreciated=20 threads......."Point of no return", is that the John Badham=20 movie? If it is you should check out Luc besson's = "Nikita" which=20 is the original french version. I dont find any of the versions = depressing=20 myself, but it is a far superior version and I am sure you will=20 agree.....~ Gerry T ~~~~~ I think I could turn and live with = animals,=20 they are so placid and self contained, I stand and look at them long = and=20 long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do = not lie=20 awake and weep for their sins, they do not make me sick discussing = their duty=20 to God, not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of = owning=20 things, Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived = thousands of=20 years ago, not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole=20 earth. &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; =20 Walt = Whitman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</DIV>= <DIV>-----Original Message----- From: = jkrudy <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:jkrudy@micron.com">jkrudy@micron.com</A>> To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:'movies@lists.xmission.com'">'movies@lists.xmission.com'</= A> <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com">movies@lists.xmission.com</A>&g= t; Date:=20 18 September 1998 15:42 Subject: RE: [MV] Depressing=20 movies...... </DIV>>I totally agree with=20 "Threads". I liked it, but it was so depressing. =20 I've >watched "Point of No Return" about 3 times, = and it=20 still depresses the heck >out of me. I think it's so sad = that all=20 she ever needed in her life was a >chance, and once given a chance = she=20 embraces it, only to find that she's >still a prisoner of her=20 past. > >JAMES K. RUDY > > >-----Original=20 Message----- >From: Gerald Taylor [<A=20 href=3D"mailto:SMTP:geeg@vossnet.co.uk">SMTP:geeg@vossnet.co.uk</A>] &= gt;Sent:=20 Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:31 PM >To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com">movies@lists.xmission.com</A><B= R>>Subject:=20 [MV] Depressing movies...... > >Anybody care to share their = opinion=20 on films that they thought depressing? >I am not talking about bad = films=20 but films that are good but also very >bleak.......the type that = make you=20 think of reaching for a razor blade >because there's no hope for=20 mankind! Off the top of my head I can think = of >four......two are=20 T.V movies one is from the sixties called "Cathy = come >home" by=20 the director ken Loach and the other is a tale of nuclear = war >called=20 "Threads"......the other two are a russian film called = "Come and=20 see" >and "Henry potrait of a serial = killer".......anyone=20 got any more? >~ >Gerry T >~~~~~ >I think I = could turn=20 and live with animals, they are so placid and = self >contained, >I=20 stand and look at them long and long. >They do not sweat and whine = about=20 their condition, >They do not lie awake and weep for their=20 sins, >they do not make me sick discussing their duty to = God, >not=20 one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning=20 things, >Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived=20 thousands of years >ago, >not one is respectable or unhappy = over the=20 whole=20 earth. > = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; =20 Walt = Whitman. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >[ = To=20 leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe = ] >[=20 movies (without the quotes) to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:majordomo@xmission.com">majordomo@xmission.com</A> &n= bsp; =20 ] > </BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BDE33B.947DF420-- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of movies-digest V2 #94 *************************** [ To quit the movies-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe movies-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]