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From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest)
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Subject: movies-digest V2 #93
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movies-digest Friday, September 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 093
[MV] Depressing movies...... -Reply
Re: [MV]Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
Re: [MV] Depressing movies......
Re: [MV] Depressing movies...... -Reply
[MV] Last comment on "Ultimate sacrifices"
[MV] Depression at the movies!
Re: [MV]Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
Re: [MV]Wings on the dove and other romantic tragedies
RE: [MV] Depressing movies......
Re: [MV] Depression at the movies!
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:15:59 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <Bruce@SABAN.COM>
Subject: [MV] Depressing movies...... -Reply
I think the title of the movie I am thinking of is "Dead Ringers"
starring Jeremy Irons. Anyway it is about twin brother
gynecologists who share a less than healthy bond and follows their
descent into madness which culminates in the invention of a bizarre
gynecological tool used in a way that is not pretty. Oh, and it
absolutely revolted me.
Cronenberg is a brilliant director who explores a dark side rarely
seen in film but he has a way of pushing my buttons that I prefer
unpushed and I haven't cared to watch any of his movies in a long
time.
"The Fly" was probably the last Cronenberg film I enjoyed on any
level.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:21:22 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV]Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
Gerald - you have to see this movie called "Heaven" - I will write a
review of it tomorrow but it is amazing - just saw it at the Toronto Film
Fest yesterday and it covers a little bit about what you are talking
about here...This movie plays by no rules - not only are there flashbacks
in it - but flash forwards too...very atypical - from New Zealander Scott
Reynolds whose first movie was The Ugly (haven't seen it yet). It's not
about affairs but it covers that aspect...man - it's just a great film!
At 06:28 AM 9/17/1998 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>
<excerpt><bold><bigger>Bruce, don't get me wrong......I am not saying I
want all films to end with the hero being selfish and just thinking of
his own happiness.....it's just that what you stated that you want to see
already happens frequently....there is no film I can think of that has
ever had a sympathetic hero (or main character) who has left his
perfectly nice family for another woman without some tragedy descending.
Every film in which a man/woman has an affair always ends with them
seeing the light and returning to their original partner and family, or
if they don't it's because his original partner is a nasty piece of work
which doe'nt count! I would just like to see one film which breaks these
rules! As stated before "Breif encounter" would fit all your criteria as
the main characters tempted by an affair only get as far as a kiss.
</bigger></bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>-----Original
Message-----
From: Bruce Bridges <<<<mailto:Bruce@SABAN.COM>Bruce@SABAN.COM>
To: <<mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com
<<<<mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com>
Date: 16 September 1998 18:44
Subject: Re: [MV] Re:Pvt Ryan +Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
</smaller></fontfamily>>Concerning romantic films, we'll just have to
agree to disagree on how
>we want to see our romantic heroes behave.
>
>
>
>I think that since the film is told from the perspective of an
>american soldier that the german's would naturally come off badly.
>How could the american soldiers see them any other way? I'm sure it
>was the same from the other side as well.
>
>As far as the scene in the staircase, I didn't buy that for a second.
> I think he would have killed him immediately. I probably would have.
>
>
>bb
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:22:44 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] Depressing movies......
How about Deer Hunter? It made me pretty depressed for a couple of days
afterwards...and as far as no hope for mankind then you have to include
Bad Lieutenant with Kietel...
At 10:30 PM 9/17/1998 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>
<excerpt><bold><bigger>Anybody care to share their opinion on films that
they thought depressing? I am not talking about bad films but films that
are good but also very bleak.......the type that make you think of
reaching for a razor blade because there's no hope for mankind! Off the
top of my head I can think of four......two are T.V movies one is from
the sixties called "Cathy come home" by the director ken Loach and the
other is a tale of nuclear war called "Threads"......the other two are a
russian film called "Come and see" and "Henry potrait of a serial
killer".......anyone got any more?
</bigger></bold><smaller>~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of
years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Walt
Whitman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
</smaller>
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:26:21 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] Depressing movies...... -Reply
His next film looks pretty interesting - eXistEnce about virtual reality
and reality - and the blurring of the two worlds. Kinda Videodromish...I
got to sit beside David last year at the Toronto Film Fest for the
screening of Gataca and had a good talk with him - he's very calm and
funny-nice to talk to.
At 04:15 PM 9/17/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>I think the title of the movie I am thinking of is "Dead Ringers"
>starring Jeremy Irons. Anyway it is about twin brother
>gynecologists who share a less than healthy bond and follows their
>descent into madness which culminates in the invention of a bizarre
>gynecological tool used in a way that is not pretty. Oh, and it
>absolutely revolted me.
>
>Cronenberg is a brilliant director who explores a dark side rarely
>seen in film but he has a way of pushing my buttons that I prefer
>unpushed and I haven't cared to watch any of his movies in a long
>time.
>
>"The Fly" was probably the last Cronenberg film I enjoyed on any
>level.
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:40:09 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] Last comment on "Ultimate sacrifices"
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I agree with your comments below 100% I think I just misunderstood your =
first point. What I was aiming at (and I think ultimately you feel the =
same) is that when you watch a film you want it for the most part to be =
unpredicatble. There is nothing more irritating than characters always =
behaving in a stereotypical way. I've lost count of all the films =
that's endings can be predicted 20mins in. I am quite happy to believe =
in far out scenarios providing the characters behave in a realistic =
manner......not solely a moral one.=20
=20
One more comment concerning your comments on Cronenberg.........I =
basically agree with and I think his last two films "Crash" and " Naked =
lunch" were atrocious. My favourite Cronenberg has to be "Shivers". =
Now I'm off to watch "Wings of a dove"...I'll give you a post of my =
opinion!
>Gerald et al,
>
>Of course I'm not calling for all future romantic flicks to have
>dudley doorights as the lead but in my previous post I was really
>trying to explain why I did not connect with the leads "The English
>Patient". For me that tact is overused and meant to illustrate
>"Passion that breaks all boundaries!" when it could just as easily
>mean two losers that are just horny. Don't get me wrong, I'm just as
>eager for Bounds breaking passion as the next guy but I can't really
>cheer for it in the theatre.
>
>I'm not even a huge fan of the genre to be honest. I think I will
>try "Brief Encounter" though. How about "Wings of a Dove"? I
>thought that film was a great example of a tragic love in which you
>could sympathize with the leads.
>
>bb
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>I agree with =
your comments=20
below 100% I think I just misunderstood your first point. =
What I was=20
aiming at (and I think ultimately you feel the same) is that when you =
watch a=20
film you want it for the most part to be unpredicatble. There is =
nothing=20
more irritating than characters always behaving in a stereotypical =
way. =20
I've lost count of all the films that's endings can be predicted 20mins=20
in. I am quite happy to believe in far out scenarios providing the =
characters behave in a realistic manner......not solely a moral =
one.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>One more comment =
concerning=20
your comments on Cronenberg.........I basically agree with and I think =
his last=20
two films "Crash" and " Naked lunch" were =
atrocious. =20
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to=20
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opinion!</FONT></STRONG><BR><BR></DIV></FONT>>Gerald et =
al,<BR>><BR>>Of=20
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have<BR>>dudley=20
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to=20
explain why I did not connect with the leads "The=20
English<BR>>Patient". For me that tact is overused and =
meant to=20
illustrate<BR>>"Passion that breaks all boundaries!" when =
it could=20
just as easily<BR>>mean two losers that are just horny. Don't =
get me=20
wrong, I'm just as<BR>>eager for Bounds breaking passion as the next =
guy but=20
I can't really<BR>>cheer for it in the theatre.<BR>><BR>>I'm =
not even a=20
huge fan of the genre to be honest. I think I will<BR>>try =
"Brief=20
Encounter" though. How about "Wings of a =
Dove"? =20
I<BR>>thought that film was a great example of a tragic love in which =
you<BR>>could sympathize with the =
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:40:02 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] Depression at the movies!
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Thanks for the responses so far. "Bad lieutenant" would certainly meet =
the standards as well as the others mentioned. There must be more =
though! I have thought of another......"A short film about killing", =
well made, thought provoking and extremely depressing!!! I'd also say =
that "La reine Margot" might fit the bill as would "Germinal".
~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self =
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning =
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of =
years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Walt =
Whitman.
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D4>Thanks for the responses so =
far. =20
"Bad lieutenant" would certainly meet the standards as well as =
the=20
others mentioned. There must be more though! I have thought =
of=20
another......"A short film about killing", well made, thought=20
provoking and extremely depressing!!! I'd also say that "La =
reine=20
Margot" might fit the bill as would=20
"Germinal".</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>~<BR>Gerry T<BR>~~~~~<BR>I think I =
could turn=20
and live with animals, they are so placid and self contained,<BR>I stand =
and=20
look at them long and long.<BR>They do not sweat and whine about their=20
condition,<BR>They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,<BR>they do =
not make=20
me sick discussing their duty to God,<BR>not one is dissatisfied, not =
one=20
demented with the mania of owning things,<BR>Not one kneels to another =
nor to=20
his own kind that lived thousands of years ago,<BR>not one is =
respectable or=20
unhappy over the whole=20
earth.<BR> &nb=
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:40:05 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MV]Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
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Can't wait for you review. "The ugly" is supposed to be very good but =
only Blockbuster stocks it......I don't like paying =A33.50 to rent a =
movie! (It's the scotsman in me!). =20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
To: movies@lists.xmission.com <movies@lists.xmission.com>
Date: 18 September 1998 00:18
Subject: Re: [MV]Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
=20
=20
Gerald - you have to see this movie called "Heaven" - I will write a =
review of it tomorrow but it is amazing - just saw it at the Toronto =
Film Fest yesterday and it covers a little bit about what you are =
talking about here...This movie plays by no rules - not only are there =
flashbacks in it - but flash forwards too...very atypical - from New =
Zealander Scott Reynolds whose first movie was The Ugly (haven't seen it =
yet). It's not about affairs but it covers that aspect...man - it's just =
a great film!=20
=20
=20
At 06:28 AM 9/17/1998 +0100, you wrote:=20
>>>>
=20
Bruce, don't get me wrong......I am not saying I want all films =
to end with the hero being selfish and just thinking of his own =
happiness.....it's just that what you stated that you want to see =
already happens frequently....there is no film I can think of that has =
ever had a sympathetic hero (or main character) who has left his =
perfectly nice family for another woman without some tragedy descending. =
Every film in which a man/woman has an affair always ends with them =
seeing the light and returning to their original partner and family, or =
if they don't it's because his original partner is a nasty piece of work =
which doe'nt count! I would just like to see one film which breaks these =
rules! As stated before "Breif encounter" would fit all your criteria as =
the main characters tempted by an affair only get as far as a kiss.
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From: Bruce Bridges <<mailto:Bruce@SABAN.COM>Bruce@SABAN.COM>
To: <mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com =
<<mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com>
Date: 16 September 1998 18:44
Subject: Re: [MV] Re:Pvt Ryan +Ultimate sacrifices.... -Reply
=20
>Concerning romantic films, we'll just have to agree to disagree =
on how
>we want to see our romantic heroes behave.
>
>
>
>I think that since the film is told from the perspective of an
>american soldier that the german's would naturally come off =
badly.=20
>How could the american soldiers see them any other way? I'm =
sure it
>was the same from the other side as well.=20
>
>As far as the scene in the staircase, I didn't buy that for a =
second.
> I think he would have killed him immediately. I probably would =
have.
>=20
>
>bb
>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D4>Can't wait for you =
review. =20
"The ugly" is supposed to be very good but only Blockbuster =
stocks=20
it......I don't like paying £3.50 to rent a movie! (It's the =
scotsman in=20
me!). </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Jason Cormier <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:movieman@netcom.ca">movieman@netcom.ca</A>><BR><B>To: =
</B><A=20
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href=3D"mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com">movies@lists.xmission.com</A> =
<<A=20
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t;<BR><B>Date:=20
</B>18 September 1998 00:18<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [MV]Ultimate=20
sacrifices.... -Reply<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Gerald - you have to see =
this=20
movie called "Heaven" - I will write a review of it =
tomorrow but=20
it is amazing - just saw it at the Toronto Film Fest yesterday and =
it covers=20
a little bit about what you are talking about here...This movie =
plays by no=20
rules - not only are there flashbacks in it - but flash forwards =
too...very=20
atypical - from New Zealander Scott Reynolds whose first movie was =
The Ugly=20
(haven't seen it yet). It's not about affairs but it covers that=20
aspect...man - it's just a great film! <BR><BR><BR>At 06:28 AM =
9/17/1998=20
+0100, you wrote: <BR>>>>><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B><?bigger>Bruce, don't get me wrong......I am not =
saying I=20
want all films to end with the hero being selfish and just =
thinking of=20
his own happiness.....it's just that what you stated that you =
want to=20
see already happens frequently....there is no film I can think =
of that=20
has ever had a sympathetic hero (or main character) who has left =
his=20
perfectly nice family for another woman without some tragedy =
descending.=20
Every film in which a man/woman has an affair always ends with =
them=20
seeing the light and returning to their original partner and =
family, or=20
if they don't it's because his original partner is a nasty piece =
of work=20
which doe'nt count! I would just like to see one film which =
breaks these=20
rules! As stated before "Breif encounter" would fit =
all your=20
criteria as the main characters tempted by an affair only get as =
far as=20
a=20
kiss.<BR><?/bigger></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Bruce Bridges=20
<<mailto:Bruce@SABAN.COM>Bruce@SABAN.COM><BR>To:=20
=
<mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com=20
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<<mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com>=
<BR>Date:=20
16 September 1998 18:44<BR>Subject: Re: [MV] Re:Pvt Ryan =
+Ultimate=20
sacrifices.... =
- -Reply<BR><BR><?/smaller><?/fontfamily>>Concerning=20
romantic films, we'll just have to agree to disagree on =
how<BR>>we=20
want to see our romantic heroes =
behave.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I=20
think that since the film is told from the perspective of=20
an<BR>>american soldier that the german's would naturally =
come off=20
badly. <BR>>How could the american soldiers see them any =
other way?=20
I'm sure it<BR>>was the same from the other side as well.=20
<BR>><BR>>As far as the scene in the staircase, I didn't =
buy that=20
for a second.<BR>> I think he would have killed him =
immediately. I=20
probably would have.<BR>> <BR>><BR>>bb<BR>><BR>>[ =
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:54:13 +0800
From: "David Lee" <sashimi@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [MV]Wings on the dove and other romantic tragedies
Finally, somebody mentioned Wings of the Dove. The love story was so
tragic... you don't know who to sympathise with... Helena's character? or
the guy (what's his name...) anyway, those who watched the show will know
what i mean... You just end up feeling sad for the one who died...
Anyway, that was a long time ago... And yes, I absolutely agree with Gerald
that not all romantic flicks have to have a do-right ending... They can be
tragic and it is perhaps, the appropriateness of the tragedy that endears a
love story to the audience. Since time in memorial, audiences around the
world have fallen in love with Romeo & Juliet, not the least reason why
they had a modern-day update of the story. All it proves is that, in
contrast with stories like English Patient (not that I'm condemning the
movie... it was brilliantly made, with credible performances from Juliette
Binoche and Ralph Fiennes [for some reason, I don't quite like Christin
Scott Thomas]), love stories which choose to be tragic, need something
beyond scratching the surface. Like what was said about Saving Pte Ryan,
the audience need something to look up to. It's no longer effective to
treat audience (matured or otherwise) as little children. They want their
emotions and feelings to be challenged in a movie...
A good tragic love story does that.
David
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:38:42 -0600
From: jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Depressing movies......
I totally agree with "Threads". I liked it, but it was so depressing. I've
watched "Point of No Return" about 3 times, and it still depresses the heck
out of me. I think it's so sad that all she ever needed in her life was a
chance, and once given a chance she embraces it, only to find that she's
still a prisoner of her past.
JAMES K. RUDY
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Taylor [SMTP:geeg@vossnet.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:31 PM
To: movies@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [MV] Depressing movies......
Anybody care to share their opinion on films that they thought depressing?
I am not talking about bad films but films that are good but also very
bleak.......the type that make you think of reaching for a razor blade
because there's no hope for mankind! Off the top of my head I can think of
four......two are T.V movies one is from the sixties called "Cathy come
home" by the director ken Loach and the other is a tale of nuclear war
called "Threads"......the other two are a russian film called "Come and see"
and "Henry potrait of a serial killer".......anyone got any more?
~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of years
ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Walt Whitman.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:37:17 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] Depression at the movies!
Man bites Dog is also another one - it's about these guys trying to make
a documentary about a serial killer - they follow him around while he
does his work...morbid - but darkly humourous!
At 01:40 PM 9/18/1998 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>
<excerpt><bold><bigger>Thanks for the responses so far. "Bad lieutenant"
would certainly meet the standards as well as the others mentioned.
There must be more though! I have thought of another......"A short film
about killing", well made, thought provoking and extremely depressing!!!
I'd also say that "La reine Margot" might fit the bill as would
"Germinal".
</bigger></bold><smaller>~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of
years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Walt
Whitman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
</smaller>
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
Jay the Movieman
movieman@netcom.ca
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