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From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest)
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Subject: movies-digest V2 #83
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movies-digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 083
[MV] More faves and comments......
[MV] Gerald Taylor
Re: [MV] More faves and comments......
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:00:40 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] More faves and comments......
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Now that's what I call a list......have kept some of your original =
dialogue to comment on as well as adding my faves. Feel free to write =
back and comment/criticize on mine! Nice to see we are not limited!
=20
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Some faves eh? Well I am currently into film noir...Double Idemnity =
is one great flick as well as almost any Fritz Lang movie - M, =
Metropolis, You Only Live Once, Fury, Woman in the Window, Scarlett =
Street...all amazing!
@@Seen M and Metroplois are very good. Not a big fan of =
Lang.......something bugged me about "The big heat".....i gues it's how =
Glen Ford has such a nice easy time throwing the villains around! Fury =
is also a good one.....not seen some of the others but they showed one =
of the "DR Mabuse films" over here (the U.K) have taped it so will keep =
you informed......Billy Wilder's "Double indemnity" is class and I =
enjoyed it far better than the re-make "Body heat"..........what do you =
think of the fact that a film essayist claims that the Edward G. =
Robinson character has a homosexual crush on Fred Macmurray ? Sounds a =
lot of s@*& to me!
=20
Out of the more current type stuff...I enjoy Delicatessen and City =
of the Lost Children (French and amazing - sci-fi-ish),=20
@@No offence but I was disappointed with these.....the first was =
enjoyable but I found it annoying that they never left the =
apartments......smacked of cheapness. "City" did not have the budget =
constraint and while the characters are suitably strange and the visuals =
(especially the flea) are amazing, I found the story unengaging.
=20
any Roman Polanski (The Tenant, Repulsion, Chinatown, Rosemary's =
Baby, Death and the Maiden, Bitter Moon, Frantic...),
@@Don't think that all of all of Polanski's stuff is brilliant , but =
I agree with you 100% about The Tenant, Bitter Moon and repulsion. =
Never really liked Chinatown, this is probably due to the fact that I =
already been informed of what the twist was at the end.
any Stanley Kubrik (Shining, Clockwork Orange, The Killing, Paths =
of Glory, Spartacus...),
@@Kubrik rarely outs a foot wrong.....I love most of his work.
any Coen Bros (Fargo, Hudsucker Proxy, Raising Arizona, Blood =
Simple, Big Lebowski...)
@@I also love the Coen brothers........ironically it is only =
Hudsucker and Raising that I do not really rate.......Miller's Crossing =
and Fargo are my faves closely followed by Blood simple.
any Sam Raimi (Evil Dead, Darkman, Quick and the Dead and the =
upcoming Simple Plan)
@@Have you seen a simple plan? I think poor Raimi is underrated. =
All his films are entertaining even the disappointing "Army of =
darkness". Hopefully for his latest he will get the credit he deserves. =
I still think that Darkman is the only good superhero movie ever made =
and yet the main character was never a comic book.
any Terry Gilliam (Brazil, Fisher King, 12 Monkeys...),
@@I have a problem with Gilliam........Brazil is fantastic and I =
enjoyed 12 monkeys and Time bandits but I sometimes find his work a =
little too long winded.
any Woody Allen movie (Annie Hall, Bananas, Everyone Says I Love =
You, Deconstructing Harry, Take the Money and Run, Play it Again Sam...)
@@ Not a huge Woody Allen fan, but I do enjoy his films a lot. It =
is interesting to see how his films developed from slapstick to more =
dramatic comedy via his strange Ingmar Bergman phase....
as well as the more popular type movies like all Spielberg films,
@@ Have to protest!! I love Jaws and Schindler and thought Duel =
was fun......but I hate Spielberg when he sinks into his sickly =
sentimental mode (Which is a lot). Don't get me wrong......I am dying =
to see Private Ryan but I just wish he would concentrate on more mature =
films such as this as that is when imho he is best.
all Harrison Ford Films,
@@ While I admire a lot of actors, I am one of those people that =
have to take not only a performance into account but the whole film i.e =
plot etc. I also have a problem with actors who do not play a diversity =
of roles and unfortunately Harrison Ford and Tom cruise and their likes =
fall into this category. I am not a huge fan of Bruce Willis but he at =
least has had the guts to play villains recently.
almost all Steve Martin films,
@@ I like the use of "Almost" all.......he has made some clunkers =
recently......I thought he was good in the straight role of "Spanish =
prisoner"......nice to see him play against type.
great action movies like the Indy series, Die Hard,
@@ I just wished they'd stopped at one!
Back to the Future
@@ I wish they'd stopped before one! :-)
, Terminators,
@@I enjoyed the Terminator series.....I just hope they dont risk =
spoiling it with a third.
as well as any scary movie - Thing, Shallow Grave, Misery, Dario =
Argento films (Suspuria, Terror at the Opera, The Church), Scream, Dead =
Zone, and The Shining!
=20
@@Seen all the above.....Love The thing and Shallow Grave and =
enjoyed Misery. On Dario Argento.....visually he is superb but a lot of =
times the story lets him down. Suspiria is very good but I have a soft =
spot for Tenebrae. Without sounding pedantic.....Michael Soavi directed =
the church, Argent only produced it.
The shining is good as is Dead zone. Scream Is O.K but I think =
overrated.
=20
So that's it for me...how 'bout you?!:-)
@@ Now your turn to "Bitch" about my choices! My favourite film is =
"Cinema Paradiso" The special edition......which I do not know if it has =
a release in the states. It does here and it adds another dimension to =
what is already an excellent film. All my other choices are in no real =
order but in categories.
Foreign films.........Wages of fear, La Haine, The horseman on the =
roof, Jean de Florette, Manon de sources, L'appartment,Cyrano de =
Bergerac, The eighth day, Subway, La femme Nikita.
Drama.....Glengarry Glen Ross, House of games, Short cuts, Trust =
(Hal Hartley), Trainspotting,Riff Raff, Raining Stones, small Faces, =
It's a wonderful life, The hill, The deer hunter.
=20
Thrillers.......Carlito's way, Goodfellas, Casino, The long good =
friday,Blue velvet, wild at heart,The third man, Sleuth, seven.
Horror......Dawn of the dead, The wicker man, Nightwatch (the =
original danish version), The vanishing (the original dutch version), =
Brain deas (aka dead alive), The haunting, The exorcist.
What do you think? There's actually plent more where they came =
from!
=20
~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and =
self contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning =
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands =
of years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Walt =
Whitman.
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movieman@netcom.ca
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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Coen Bros (Fargo, Hudsucker Proxy, Raising Arizona, Blood Simple, =
Big=20
Lebowski...)</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@I also love the Coen brothers........ironically it is =
only=20
Hudsucker and Raising that I do not really rate.......Miller's =
Crossing and=20
Fargo are my faves closely followed by Blood=20
simple.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
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Sam Raimi (Evil Dead, Darkman, Quick and the Dead and the upcoming =
Simple=20
Plan)</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@Have you seen a simple plan? I think poor Raimi is=20
underrated. All his films are entertaining even the =
disappointing=20
"Army of darkness". Hopefully for his latest he will =
get the=20
credit he deserves. I still think that Darkman is the only =
good=20
superhero movie ever made and yet the main character was never a =
comic=20
book.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
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Terry Gilliam (Brazil, Fisher King, 12 Monkeys...),</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Gilliam........Brazil is=20
fantastic and I enjoyed 12 monkeys and Time bandits but I sometimes =
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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Woody Allen movie (Annie Hall, Bananas, Everyone Says I Love You,=20
Deconstructing Harry, Take the Money and Run, Play it Again =
Sam...)</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@ Not a huge Woody Allen fan, but I do enjoy his films a =
lot. =20
It is interesting to see how his films developed from slapstick to =
more=20
dramatic comedy via his strange Ingmar Bergman=20
phase....</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"> as=20
well as the more popular type movies like all Spielberg =
films,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
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size=3D4>@@ Have to protest!! I love Jaws and Schindler =
and=20
thought Duel was fun......but I hate Spielberg when he sinks into =
his sickly=20
sentimental mode (Which is a lot). Don't get me wrong......I =
am dying=20
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mature=20
films such as this as that is when imho he is =
best.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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5px"> all=20
Harrison Ford Films,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@ While I admire a lot of actors, I am one of those =
people=20
that have to take not only a performance into account but the whole =
film i.e=20
plot etc. I also have a problem with actors who do not play a=20
diversity of roles and unfortunately Harrison Ford and Tom cruise =
and their=20
likes fall into this category. I am not a huge fan of Bruce =
Willis but=20
he at least has had the guts to play villains=20
recently.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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all Steve Martin films,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4>@@ I like the use of =
"Almost"=20
all.......he has made some clunkers recently......I thought he was =
good in=20
the straight role of "Spanish prisoner"......nice to see =
him play=20
against type.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"> great=20
action movies like the Indy series, Die Hard,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4>@@ I just wished they'd stopped at=20
one!</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"> Back=20
to the Future</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@ I wish they'd stopped before one!=20
:-)</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">,=20
Terminators,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@I enjoyed the Terminator series.....I just hope they dont =
risk=20
spoiling it with a third.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"> as=20
well as any scary movie - Thing, Shallow Grave, Misery, Dario =
Argento films=20
(Suspuria, Terror at the Opera, The Church), Scream, Dead Zone, and =
The=20
Shining!</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@Seen all the above.....Love The thing and Shallow Grave =
and enjoyed=20
Misery. On Dario Argento.....visually he is superb but a lot =
of times=20
the story lets him down. Suspiria is very good but I have a =
soft spot=20
for Tenebrae. Without sounding pedantic.....Michael Soavi =
directed the=20
church, Argent only produced it.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>The shining is good =
as is Dead=20
zone. Scream Is O.K but I think =
overrated.</FONT></STRONG><BR><BR>So=20
that's it for me...how 'bout you?!:-)</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>@@ Now your turn to "Bitch" about my =
choices! =20
My favourite film is "Cinema Paradiso" The special=20
edition......which I do not know if it has a release in the =
states. It=20
does here and it adds another dimension to what is already an =
excellent=20
film. All my other choices are in no real order but in=20
categories.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Foreign =
films.........Wages of=20
fear, La Haine, The horseman on the roof, Jean de Florette, Manon de =
sources, L'appartment,Cyrano de Bergerac, The eighth day, Subway, La =
femme=20
Nikita.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Drama.....Glengarry =
Glen Ross,=20
House of games, Short cuts, Trust (Hal Hartley), Trainspotting,Riff =
Raff,=20
Raining Stones, small Faces, It's a wonderful life, The hill, The =
deer=20
hunter.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4></FONT></STRONG> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4>Thrillers.......Carlito's way, Goodfellas, Casino, The long =
good=20
friday,Blue velvet, wild at heart,The third man, Sleuth,=20
seven.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Horror......Dawn of =
the dead,=20
The wicker man, Nightwatch (the original danish version), The =
vanishing (the=20
original dutch version), Brain deas (aka dead alive), The haunting, =
The=20
exorcist.</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><STRONG><FONT=20
size=3D4></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>What do you =
think? There's=20
actually plent more where they came =
from!</FONT></STRONG><BR><BR>~<BR>Gerry=20
T<BR>~~~~~<BR>I think I could turn and live with animals, they are =
so placid=20
and self contained,<BR>I stand and look at them long and =
long.<BR>They do=20
not sweat and whine about their condition,<BR>They do not lie awake =
and weep=20
for their sins,<BR>they do not make me sick discussing their duty to =
God,<BR>not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of =
owning=20
things,<BR>Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived=20
thousands of years ago,<BR>not one is respectable or unhappy over =
the whole=20
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earth.<BR> &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 06:02:41 -0600
From: Travis <modestme@micron.net>
Subject: [MV] Gerald Taylor
Whilst, I have to agree that I saw some promise amidst Gerald Taylors
"Likes". I was also, simply offended to have that much in common with
the guy. I think that his views of the Jeunet et Caro films
(Delicatessen and City of Lost Children), the Terry Gilliam Films, and
the Coen Brothers films ( Hudsucker Proxy and Raising Arizona), are
extremely disjointed, unrealized, and sad. These are some of the most
amazing filmmakers around and it is truly traumatic to hear of someone
with apparently, a little taste in film (outside of the pretentious
hollywood division) pick apart and pick and choose the choices of
fantastic directors. I am skeptical and have the overwhelming intuition
that "Gerald" fancies himself some type of hipster of film and gives
little to no thought as to the actual genius behind a filmmakers work of
art. The way I see it, all directosrs make mistakes in the careers, but
there are some that you have to grow with. I really believe that the
directors attacked in his essay have no reason at all to be picked
apart. I don't think this guy sees the bigger picture. He likes some of
the Danny Boyle films (Trainspotting and Shallow Grave), but, I really
would hate to hear his opinion of all the Danny Boyle films, as that
truly would be the straw to break the Camels back.I will go one bigger
and say outloud, "Scream, I know What You Did Last Summer, and all
subsequential sequals Sucked and is the type of Hollywood filth that is
better sent back to the writers, with the attachment-'Grow Up, Get a
Clue, and find a better day job!'". But, opinions are like Kittens,
everyone is giving them away. Here is my freebie.
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:20:10 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] More faves and comments......
Ok....here we go...!:-)
100, you wrote:
<excerpt><excerpt>
<bold><bigger>@@Seen M and Metroplois are very good. Not a big fan of
Lang.......something bugged me about "The big heat".....i gues it's how
Glen Ford has such a nice easy time throwing the villains around! Fury
is also a good one.....not seen some of the others but they showed one of
the "DR Mabuse films" over here (the U.K) have taped it so will keep you
informed......Billy Wilder's "Double indemnity" is class and I enjoyed it
far better than the re-make "Body heat"..........what do you think of the
fact that a film essayist claims that the Edward G. Robinson character
has a homosexual crush on Fred Macmurray ? Sounds a lot of s@*& to me!
</bigger></bold>
</excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
Definitely check out the other Lang films...I know that you would love
Scarlett Street with Edward G...that last comment does sound like a bunch
of malarky! It is very hard to find a lot of Lang films here in Canada
but I have located most of them after thourough searches!
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt> Out of the more current type stuff...I enjoy
Delicatessen and City of the Lost Children (French and amazing -
sci-fi-ish),
<bold><bigger>@@No offence but I was disappointed with these.....the
first was enjoyable but I found it annoying that they never left the
apartments......smacked of cheapness. "City" did not have the budget
constraint and while the characters are suitably strange and the visuals
(especially the flea) are amazing, I found the story unengaging.
</bigger></bold></excerpt>
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
I enjoyed the cinematography of these two, the music and the wierd
characters...also I have a sweet spot for Sweeney Todd!
>>>>
<excerpt>
<excerpt><bold><bigger>@@Don't think that all of all of Polanski's stuff
is brilliant , but I agree with you 100% about The Tenant, Bitter Moon
and repulsion. Never really liked Chinatown, this is probably due to the
fact that I already been informed of what the twist was at the end.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
I hate when people ruin endings of movies!!!!! Big peeve of
mine...that's why I try to see a movie on opening night - little chance
of anyone ruining anything!! The Tenant freaks me out "What right does
my head to call itself me?!" Fantastic! Can't wait for The Ninth Gate
with J. Depp.
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
any Stanley Kubrik (Shining, Clockwork Orange, The Killing, Paths of
Glory, Spartacus...),
<bold><bigger>@@Kubrik rarely outs a foot wrong.....I love most of his
work.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
Can't wait for 2001 (not the movie - that's the year Eyes Wide Shut will
probably be released!)
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
any Coen Bros (Fargo, Hudsucker Proxy, Raising Arizona, Blood Simple,
Big Lebowski...)
<bold><bigger>@@I also love the Coen brothers........ironically it is
only Hudsucker and Raising that I do not really rate.......Miller's
Crossing and Fargo are my faves closely followed by Blood simple.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
I love all the Coen Bros stuff....Hud's visuals are amazing...as they all
are in their movies
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
any Sam Raimi (Evil Dead, Darkman, Quick and the Dead and the upcoming
Simple Plan)
<bold><bigger>@@Have you seen a simple plan? I think poor Raimi is
underrated. All his films are entertaining even the disappointing "Army
of darkness". Hopefully for his latest he will get the credit he
deserves. I still think that Darkman is the only good superhero movie
ever made and yet the main character was never a comic book.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
Wow - not too often do I find a Raimi fan! Great camera work! Even
Quick and the Dead I found entertaining!
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
any Terry Gilliam (Brazil, Fisher King, 12 Monkeys...),
<bold><bigger>@@I have a problem with Gilliam........Brazil is fantastic
and I enjoyed 12 monkeys and Time bandits but I sometimes find his work a
little too long winded.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
The only film of his that i didn't like was the recent Fear and
Loathing...too crazy or something....pretty disgusting (and this coming
from a fan of Dario Argento)
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
any Woody Allen movie (Annie Hall, Bananas, Everyone Says I Love You,
Deconstructing Harry, Take the Money and Run, Play it Again Sam...)
<bold><bigger>@@ Not a huge Woody Allen fan, but I do enjoy his films a
lot. It is interesting to see how his films developed from slapstick to
more dramatic comedy via his strange Ingmar Bergman phase....
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
His recent stuff is just as good as his early stuff - but I agree -
definitely different! You won't see him dressing up in any more sperm
outfits any time soon!
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
as well as the more popular type movies like all Spielberg films,
<bold><bigger>@@ Have to protest!! I love Jaws and Schindler and
thought Duel was fun......but I hate Spielberg when he sinks into his
sickly sentimental mode (Which is a lot). Don't get me wrong......I am
dying to see Private Ryan but I just wish he would concentrate on more
mature films such as this as that is when imho he is best.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
A lot of people say that about Spielberg - even Spielberg himself -
that's why he waited for over 10 years before he made Schindlers...but
wait till you see Saving Private Ryan!!!!!! Wow...that's all I'm going
to say!
>>>>
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all Harrison Ford Films,
<bold><bigger>@@ While I admire a lot of actors, I am one of those
people that have to take not only a performance into account but the
whole film i.e plot etc. I also have a problem with actors who do not
play a diversity of roles and unfortunately Harrison Ford and Tom cruise
and their likes fall into this category. I am not a huge fan of Bruce
Willis but he at least has had the guts to play villains recently.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
I guess I'm a big fan of the Indy series and HF is on cool guy....(except
his recent fiasco - 6 days 7 nights!)
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt>
almost all Steve Martin films,
<bold><bigger>@@ I like the use of "Almost" all.......he has made some
clunkers recently......I thought he was good in the straight role of
"Spanish prisoner"......nice to see him play against type.
</bigger></bold></excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
Can't wait for Bofingers Big Thing which he wrote - if it's as good as LA
Story - I'm there!!
>>>>
<excerpt><excerpt> as well as any scary movie - Thing, Shallow Grave,
Misery, Dario Argento films (Suspuria, Terror at the Opera, The Church),
Scream, Dead Zone, and The Shining!
</excerpt>
<excerpt><bold><bigger>@@Seen all the above.....Love The thing and
Shallow Grave and enjoyed Misery. On Dario Argento.....visually he is
superb but a lot of times the story lets him down. Suspiria is very good
but I have a soft spot for Tenebrae. Without sounding
pedantic.....Michael Soavi directed the church, Argent only produced
it.
The shining is good as is Dead zone. Scream Is O.K but I think
overrated.
</bigger></bold>
</excerpt></excerpt><<<<<<<<
Hilarious...I was going to put Unsane in the list but thought I'd throw
The Church in there because of his production credit! Good job! The
Church is pretty damn freaky! I totally agree with you about Argento and
his storytelling ability - I heard for awhile that INferno was one of his
better ones from somewhone - but then I saw it and could not find the
plot anywhere!! Maybe we only have a super edited one over here...but
yowzer!
>>>>
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So that's it for me...how 'bout you?!:-)
<bold><bigger>@@ Now your turn to "Bitch" about my choices! My
favourite film is "Cinema Paradiso" The special edition......which I do
not know if it has a release in the states. It does here and it adds
another dimension to what is already an excellent film. All my other
choices are in no real order but in categories.
Foreign films.........Wages of fear, La Haine, The horseman on the roof,
Jean de Florette, Manon de sources, L'appartment,Cyrano de Bergerac, The
eighth day, Subway, La femme Nikita.
Drama.....Glengarry Glen Ross, House of games, Short cuts, Trust (Hal
Hartley), Trainspotting,Riff Raff, Raining Stones, small Faces, It's a
wonderful life, The hill, The deer hunter.
</bigger></bold></excerpt>
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Have not seen Cinema Paridso...will check it out though...didn't enjoy La
Haine - didn't feel put together enough for me, and wow...haven't seen
any other of those...yikes - tell me about some of them...
as for drama - GGGR - amazing -nuff said, HoG - great, Short Cuts - the
only Altman film I enjoyed, Trainspotting - great, Deer Hunter - the only
movie that affected me afterwards - scary...others haven't seen...
>>>>
<excerpt>
<excerpt><bold><bigger>Thrillers.......Carlito's way, Goodfellas, Casino,
The long good friday,Blue velvet, wild at heart,The third man, Sleuth,
seven.
Horror......Dawn of the dead, The wicker man, Nightwatch (the original
danish version), The vanishing (the original dutch version), Brain deas
(aka dead alive), The haunting, The exorcist.
What do you think? There's actually plent more where they came from!
</bigger></bold>
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Not a fan of Scorsese...no reason - just haven't liked any of his movies
(Cape Fear was entertaining...), Blue Velvet - wacked as is WaH, Third
man is being re-released at the Toronto Film Fest - but re-edited from
some old notes of Welles they found...so I guess you could say that it is
the director's cut! Haven't seen Dawn of Dead for awhile...can't
remember, Wicker man is great...Vanishing is great (infintely better than
the remake), Dead Alive...is that the Peter Jackson one? It was pretty
hoaky but funny - if it is Jackson then definitely check out Heavenly
Creatures - great flick...haunting - don't think I've seen it...exorcist
- - given.
Well...that's pretty amazing! We're both pretty well cultured in the
movie world! I'll give you a few more now that I know you're pretty
"well read"
Leolo - crazy family movie, The Party, Bunuel - Phantom of Liberty,
Exterminating Angel are my two faves of his - otherwise I find him quite
lengthy! Swimming with Sharks - great Spacey flick, one of my all time
faves is Santa Sangre by Jodorowsky - amazing!! I really love that film!
The Tall Guy - hilarious, Freaks (the 30s version), I'll keep you posted
for more when i think of them!! Good talking to you!
Jay the Movieman
movieman@netcom.ca
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