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movies-digest Thursday, August 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 075
Re: [MV] there's something about mary..
Re: [MV] Negotiator review
Re: [MV] Negotiator review
Re: [MV] Snake Eyes review - not very good
Re: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
Re: [MV] The Parent Trap
RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question... -Reply
Re: [MV] The Parent Trap
[MV] REVIEW: WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE
[MV] 54
Re: [MV] Wild Things
Re: [MV] Wild Things
Re: [MV] Wild Things
Re: [MV] Wild Things
RE: [MV] Tonys
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:29:58 PDT
From: "Danielle Conkle" <danyelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] there's something about mary..
>On 8/26/98, 10:34 AM -0500, Danielle Conkle said so nicely:
>>Hey what is everyone's comments on "There's something about Mary"
>>?
>
>I went expecting to be howling all over the place. But I just thought
it
>was gross. Some funny situations. I guess I just didn't get it.
Maybe I
>was in a bad mood when I saw it. I wouldn't recommend it.
>~~~~~
>Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
;) I'm torn on how i feel about the movie. I mean how do you
describe it to somebody? I was more squirming, and laughing
hysterically at the same time. But i don't know if i was laughing
because i was uncomfortable or it was actually funny. Definitly give it
snaps for being original though.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:31:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Gene Ehrich <g@ehrich.com>" <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Negotiator review
We found it to be a really exciting movie going experience. Samuel T
Jackson has
an unbelievable screen presence and Kevin Spacey was good also.
Outstanding movie going experience.
At 05:20 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Tense, smart and amazing acting! I know that the preview kinda sucks - it
>looks like they give away a lot of what's going to happen - but don't worry
>- they don't give anything away. This is one is full of smart characters
>and real situations. Great flick - reminds me slightly of the Fugitive. I
>give it a wopping 89%.
>Jay the Movieman
>movieman@netcom.ca
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:39:12 -0600 (MDT)
From: Gene Ehrich <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Negotiator review
We found it to be a really exciting movie going experience. Samuel T
Jackson has
an unbelievable screen presence and Kevin Spacey was good also.
Outstanding movie going experience.
At 05:20 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Tense, smart and amazing acting! I know that the preview kinda sucks - it
>looks like they give away a lot of what's going to happen - but don't worry
>- they don't give anything away. This is one is full of smart characters
>and real situations. Great flick - reminds me slightly of the Fugitive. I
>give it a wopping 89%.
>Jay the Movieman
>movieman@netcom.ca
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:40:18 -0600 (MDT)
From: Gene Ehrich <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Snake Eyes review - not very good
At 10:38 PM 8/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Brian DePalma (Mission:Impossible) directs Nicholas Cage in a tense
>keep-your-eyes-on-the-screen thriller. I loved how this movie unfolded.
As usual Cage was very good but the movie was not. Implausible plot
and not very well done for a DePalma film. Not as bad as Armegeddon
but no where near as good as The Negotiator which was great.
One star movie
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:40:59 -0600 (MDT)
From: Gene Ehrich <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
At 08:47 AM 8/10/98 +0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, David Lee wrote:
>
>> I've heard a couple of good reviews about the movie, Something About Mary,
Probably the funniest movie we've seen in many, many years.
Absolutely not to be missed unless you are prudish.
>> that it's funny and all... could somebody be kind enough to tell me who is
>> in the cast of the movie? Thanks.
>>
>
>Cameron Diaz, Ben Stiller and Matt Dillon. And it's There's Something
>About Mary.
>
>
>Jayson
>-----------------
>I've been down this road walkin' the line
>That's painted by pride
>And I have made mistakes in my life
>That I just can't hide
>Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
>Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
>I've been searching my soul tonight
>I know there's so much more to life
>Now I know I can shine a light
>To find my way back home
>
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:44:06 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <greg_swarthout@autosoft.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
I don't think one has to be a prude to be offended by "TSAM". I thought it was funny,
quite funny in parts, but was embarassed to have taken my wife to it. It could have
been just as funny without being offensive.
Greg
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Subject: Re: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
At 08:47 AM 8/10/98 +0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, David Lee wrote:
>
>> I've heard a couple of good reviews about the movie, Something About Mary,
Probably the funniest movie we've seen in many, many years.
Absolutely not to be missed unless you are prudish.
>> that it's funny and all... could somebody be kind enough to tell me who is
>> in the cast of the movie? Thanks.
>>
>
>Cameron Diaz, Ben Stiller and Matt Dillon. And it's There's Something
>About Mary.
>
>
>Jayson
>-----------------
>I've been down this road walkin' the line
>That's painted by pride
>And I have made mistakes in my life
>That I just can't hide
>Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
>Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
>I've been searching my soul tonight
>I know there's so much more to life
>Now I know I can shine a light
>To find my way back home
>
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:43:15 PDT
From: "Danielle Conkle" <danyelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Parent Trap
>What did everyone think of "The Parent Trap"?--the new one, obviously.
I
>was pleasantly surprised and delighted to see some references to the
old
>version. Anyone see it?
I thought it was a real cute movie. I've never seen the original,
except for bits and parts, but i liked the new one. I thought the girl
who played the twins acted really well.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:03:13 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <Bruce@SABAN.COM>
Subject: RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question... -Reply
Gene,
No, I think it pretty much had to be offensive to be so funny. The
best parts were offensive. I think it was probably just not for you.
bb
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:31:29 -0500
From: Diane Christy <dchristy10@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Parent Trap
On 8/26/98, 3:43 PM -0500, Danielle Conkle said so nicely:
> I thought it was a real cute movie. I've never seen the original,
>except for bits and parts, but i liked the new one. I thought the girl
>who played the twins acted really well.
You should see the Hayley Mills verson. It was one of the movies that I
really remember while growing up. I thought it was really cute and I
thought they did a great job updating the story while still staying true to
it.
~~~~~
Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
Jefferson, LA
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:08:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott Renshaw <renshaw@inconnect.com>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE
WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE
(Warner Bros.)
Starring: Larenz Tate, Halle Berry, Vivica A. Fox, Lela Rochon, Paul
Mazursky.
Screenplay: Tina Andrews.
Producers: Paul Hall and Stephen Nemeth.
Director: Gregory Nava.
MPAA Rating: R (profanity, sexual situations, adult themes, violence)
Running Time: 115 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.
I can understand why screenwriter Tina Andrews latched onto the story
behind WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE for fifteen years. From a commercial
standpoint, it has a great hook: the real-life story of three women who
all claimed to be the legal widow of Frankie Lymon, lead singer of the
1950s doo-wop group the Teenagers (whose signature hit serves as the
film's title). From a writer's standpoint, it offers the intriguing
contradiction of its main character, a troubled soul who was a different
man for each of his three different brides before dying of a drug overdose
in 1968. It's a story with sex, drugs _and_ rock 'n' roll, as well as
colorful characters a-plenty. Sure enough, this bio-pic offers loads of
curb appeal.
Unfortunately, Andrews and director Gregory Nava (SELENA) make a big
mistake in their approach to the material -- they decide to turn it into a
rock 'n' roll RASHOMON. The framing story opens in 1986, with three women
- -- former Platters singer Zola Taylor (Halle Berry), petty thief and
single mom Elizabeth Waters (Vivica A. Fox), and schoolteacher Emira Eagle
(Lela Rochon) -- all making a legal claim to be Mrs. Frankie Lymon, with
rights to his musical royalties. A hearing commences in which each
claimant tells the story of Frankie (Larenz Tate) as she knew him, from
teen star to has-been, from heroin addict to soldier. The flashbacks
cover 13 years of Frankie's life, with widely varying perspectives on the
man each of the three women married at some point, but none of them
divorced.
Somewhere buried in that narrative is an interesting -- if somewhat
trite -- entertainment industry life story, the story of a street kid from
an abusive home who becomes dependent on the love he receives from
audiences and women. Larenz Tate does a fine job of capturing Frankie's
electrifying stage presence, as well as his sheer joy of performing for a
crowd. In fact, the high-energy performance scenes are generally the
film's best, with Frankie's unbridled on-stage enthusiasm contrasting
sharply with the conservative choreography of his artistic contemporaries.
Tate also has the thankless job of creating a character out of piecemeal
recollections, yet the character still comes together as someone you want
to know more about.
If only wanting made it so. Only occasionally does WHY DO FOOLS FALL
IN LOVE hone in on the question of who Frankie Lymon really was. Too
often Andrews and Nava take off on dead-end tangents -- a vamping,
self-indulgent cameo by Little Richard as himself; the hit-and-run
accusation that Frankie's manager/producer Morris Levy (Paul Mazursky)
cheated him out of millions; broadly comic female bonding sessions which
turn Zola, Elizabeth and Emira into the First, Second and Third Wives'
Club. When they finally do get around to Frankie himself, they offer
psychologically convenient devices like a shattered mirror in which
Frankie sees his fragmented visage. The individual snapshots of his life,
including such potentially provoactive subjects as his naive disregard for
1950s social conventions, never seem designed to develop into a complete
portrait.
Ultimately no one, not even the three women with whom he shared a
life, seems interested in understanding Frankie. That's what's most
disappointing about WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE: it's not really a
biography of Frankie Lymon. The film-makers are usually more interested
in getting inside the the heads of the three women -- providing tart
dialogue for the three talented lead actresses while making them
sympathetic, mis-used you-go-girls -- than getting inside Frankie's head.
Sure, they violate point of view when it serves their purpse to show
things none of the narrators could have seen, but mostly they point out
how Frankie's enigmatic behavior hurt others, not how he hurt himself.
It's a cop-out to start telling a character's story, then shrug your
shoulders and claim not to have any idea who that character is. Tina
Andrews spent fifteen years waiting to tell the story of a potentially
fascinating rock 'n' roll tragedy, but all she could come up with was a
great big "I dunno."
On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 Frankies, my dear: 5.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:16:43 PDT
From: "Danielle Conkle" <danyelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MV] 54
I saw a commercial for 54
i think it looks good, the main character guy (relationship with Neve's
character...) is really cute. Has he been in anything else?
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:52:06 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:34:59 +0200
From: manuel morrens <mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be>
Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
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Gerald Taylor wrote:
>
>
> M. Morens wrote-
> I didn't like this movie at all... Interesting.......I
> find most Hollywood films totally predictable but most of
> the twists in this I did not predict. Out of
> curiosity......can you tell me any films you did not predict
> the twist in? Don't tell me the twists! just titles in case
> I have not seen some of them.~
> Gerry T
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
Ok...
I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) neither
did I in Diabolique
The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't predict....(One of
the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need other examples???
By the way it's M. MorRens :))
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Morens wrote-</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT></FONT> I didn't like
this movie at all... <B><FONT SIZE=+1>Interesting.......I find most Hollywood
films totally predictable but most of the twists in this I did not predict.
Out of curiosity......can you tell me any films you did not predict the
twist in? Don't tell me the twists! just titles in case I have not
seen some of them.~</FONT></B>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=+1>Gerry T</FONT></B>
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Ok...
<BR>I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) neither
did I in Diabolique
<BR>The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't predict....(One
of the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need other examples???
<P>By the way it's M. MorRens :))
<P>see ya
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How about "The Usual Suspects" ??
Rodney
"As far as the eyes can't see" (Horizon Publishing)
www.horizonp.com
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other examples???=20
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movie)=20
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Confidential I=20
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:52:30 +0200
From: manuel morrens <mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be>
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R.A.B wrote:
> How about "The Usual Suspects" ?? Rodney"As far as the eyes can't
> see" (Horizon Publishing)
>
> Ok...
> I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant
> movie) neither did I in Diabolique
> The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't
> predict....(One of the best movies I saw the last few years)
> ...Need other examples???
>
> By the way it's M. MorRens :))
>
> see ya
>
>
Yeah, also good example, didn't see that one coming at all...excellent
movie..
other example ..Liar...I liked it very much...little bit confusing but
cool picture....
thatha
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Manuel Morrens mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be
Department of Medicine http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties
Brussels Free University (lyrics of the eighties)
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R.A.B wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS"><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT SIZE=-1>How
about "The Usual Suspects" ??</FONT></FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS"><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT SIZE=-1>Rodney"As
far as the eyes can't see" (Horizon Publishing)</FONT></FONT></FONT>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Ok...
<BR>I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) neither
did I in Diabolique
<BR>The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't predict....(One
of the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need other examples???
<P>By the way it's M. MorRens :))
<P>see ya
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<P>Yeah, also good example, didn't see that one coming at all...excellent
movie..
<BR>other example ..Liar...I liked it very much...little bit confusing
but cool picture....
<P>thatha
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Manuel Morrens mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be
Department of Medicine <A HREF="http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties">http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties</A>
Brussels Free University (lyrics of the eighties)
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:39:49 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <lromero@saonet.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: [MV] Tonys
thank you for clearing that up for me!! (????)
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> From: Honwa Chau [SMTP:nihonitchy@ibm.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 7:31 AM
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [MV] Tonys
>
> Short Tony - Tony Leung Chiu-wai is famous for: "Hard-Boiled,"
> "Chungking Express" and "Happy Together." He also sings occassionally.
>
> Tall Tony - Tony Leung Kai-fei is famous for "The Lover" (also starring
> Jane March and directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud), "A Better Tomorrow III"
> and scores of other movies. He also occassionally sings.
>
> To add to the confusion, the two actors sometimes appear in the same
> film. Examples include "Ashes of Time," "He Ain't Heavy, He's My
> Father," "The Eagle Shooting Heroes," and "Always be the Winners."
>
> I think Tony Leung Kai-fei has been in more films (but don't quote me on
> that) and has a zany persona (with a falsetto voice to match) in
> comedies. I like Tony Leung Chiu-wai better in dramas; he's got such a
> killer stare.
>
> As far as I know, Tony Leung Chiu-wai is not gay. His long-time
> girlfriend is actress Carina Lau, who plays his wife in "Ashes of Time,"
> although the two don't have a scene together. (In "He Ain't Heavy, He's
> My Father," Tony Leung Kai-fei plays the father, Carina Lau plays the
> mother and Tony Leung Chiu-wai plays the son.)
>
> I hope I have added to the confusion.
>
>
>
>
> itchy
>
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