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Subject: movies-digest V2 #67
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movies-digest Wednesday, August 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 067
[MV] Movie News - 08/18/98
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
[MV] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:01:15 +0200
[MV] city of angels
Re: [MV] city of angels
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] city of angels
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Re: [MV] Movies that suck
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:39:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/18/98
Mel Gibson, who's coming off the summer hit "Lethal Weapon
4," is in talks to star in an adaptation of the Charles
Dickens novel of the French Revolution, "A Tale of Two
Cities." Variety says Gibson has been looking for a picture
to star in since deciding to delay production of the Ray
Bradbury novel "Fahrenheit 451" until May. But his
negotiations with Warner Bros., where "Tale" is set up, hit
an unspecified snag early last week, and Gibson could
conceivably walk away from the film. On the other hand,
Gibson reportedly has been interested in the Dickens tale
for some time, and he fitted comfortably into period pieces
"Braveheart" and "Hamlet."
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 98 00:03:09 +0100
From: Garrett Winters <gargoyle@iol.ie>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
>
Maryann Johanson writes
>> There are no rule books that say a movie has to have a plot, in fact some
>> of moviedoms most succesful films have had no plot to speak of( I won't
>> quote which ones but if you don't know the ones I mean think Lucas,
>> Allen, Cameron)
>
>Please enlighten us as to which successful Cameron and Lucas movies had no
>plot.
Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
a story.
Garrett
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:58:38 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
At 12.03 AM 19/08/98 +0100, Garrett Winters wrote:
>>Please enlighten us as to which successful Cameron and Lucas movies had no
>>plot.
> Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
>effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
>a story.
Excuse me. Star Wars?? You mean the modern-day myth/fairy tale that has
already become a classic?? The battle of good v evil, the Princess, the
lovable but gruff hero, or to be more precise, HERO, the boy becoming a
man, the entire Old Testament riff on the Clone Wars and the Force, the
entire Odipal (forgive the spelling) relationship of Luke with his father,
the Laural and Hardy act of the driods, AND the voice of God (or at least
James Earl Jones)??
Are you sure that we saw the same movie??
Sure, there are arguments to be made against it. Primary is that it ripped
off every major war movie (esp the battles, which were modeled on
Hollywood's take of WWII dogfights), as well as every fairy tale that we
heard growing up. However, that is the charm of this movie. It takes us
back to our youth.
The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no plot.
And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what our
dreams could be like.
As the recent riff on the Godzilla marketing campaign goes (which I have
set as wallpaper on my computer, and which is rumoured to have gotten
someone at LucasFilm in heaps of trouble):
PLOT DOES MATTER.
STAR WARS 1
MAY 1999
Regards,
- --Mel
- --Mel Eperthener
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:38:49 -0400
From: Michael Allen Jr <dahrin@inna.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Mel Eperthener wrote:
> Excuse me. Star Wars?? You mean the modern-day myth/fairy tale that has
> already become a classic?? The battle of good v evil, the Princess, the
> lovable but gruff hero, or to be more precise, HERO, the boy becoming a
> man, the entire Old Testament riff on the Clone Wars and the Force, the
> entire Odipal (forgive the spelling) relationship of Luke with his father,
> the Laural and Hardy act of the driods, AND the voice of God (or at least
> James Earl Jones)??
>
> Are you sure that we saw the same movie??
>
> Sure, there are arguments to be made against it. Primary is that it ripped
> off every major war movie (esp the battles, which were modeled on
> Hollywood's take of WWII dogfights), as well as every fairy tale that we
> heard growing up. However, that is the charm of this movie. It takes us
> back to our youth.
>
> The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no plot.
> And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what our
> dreams could be like.
>
> As the recent riff on the Godzilla marketing campaign goes (which I have
> set as wallpaper on my computer, and which is rumoured to have gotten
> someone at LucasFilm in heaps of trouble):
>
>
I would have said all of this, but he got to it first. Star Wars is in my
opinion the best Sci-Fi space movie EVER. Amen, hehe.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:18:38 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <movieman@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
I'm as serious as a heart attack - I do believe is from True Romance.
At 11:58 PM 8/17/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11.46 AM 18/08/98 +0800, Blacknight wrote:
>>Hello Everyone,
>>
>>This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
>>ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
>>kindly help us on these.
>
>>68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."
>
>Isn't this from Volcano?? Either Anne Heche's character says this to Tommy
>Lee Jones' character, or vice versa.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Mel
>
>
>--Mel Eperthener
>president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
>
>email: bcassidy@usaor.net
> gowanna@australiamail.com
>
>http://www.webz.com/gowanna
>
>419 Butler Street
>PO Box 95184
>Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184
>(412) 781-6140
>(412) 781-6380
>1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE
>(1-888-454-6926)
>____________________________________________
>"Mulder, if you had to do without a cell phone for
>two minutes, you'd lapse into catatonic schizophrenia"
>
>--Dana Scully
>______________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:27:59 +0800
From: Blacknight <rvchua@ntep.nec.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Mel Eperthener wrote:
> The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no
> plot.
> And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what
> our
> dreams could be like.
> PLOT DOES MATTER.
> STAR WARS 1
> MAY 1999
>
To those who say that Star Wars has no plot, try to read the book (from
Star Wars to Return of the Jedi). Maybe they are saying this because
they were pretty caught up in the Millenium Falcon trying to dodge its
enemies. I admit that sometimes all those FX makes you forget the story
or rather the epic of Luke Skywalker.
Blacknight
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:42:55 +0200
From: manuel morrens <mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
> Mel Eperthener wrote:
>
> > Excuse me. Star Wars?? You mean the modern-day myth/fairy tale that has
> > already become a classic?? The battle of good v evil, the Princess, the
> > lovable but gruff hero, or to be more precise, HERO, the boy becoming a
> > man, the entire Old Testament riff on the Clone Wars and the Force, the
> > entire Odipal (forgive the spelling) relationship of Luke with his father,
> > the Laural and Hardy act of the driods, AND the voice of God (or at least
> > James Earl Jones)??
> >
> > Are you sure that we saw the same movie??
> >
> > Sure, there are arguments to be made against it. Primary is that it ripped
> > off every major war movie (esp the battles, which were modeled on
> > Hollywood's take of WWII dogfights), as well as every fairy tale that we
> > heard growing up. However, that is the charm of this movie. It takes us
> > back to our youth.
> >
> > The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no plot.
> > And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what our
> > dreams could be like.
> >
Yeah, ok Star Wars is a good movie and a classic but that doesn't make it a
movie with a great plot...The movie is about good vs. evil...a bunch of guys
fighting against the evil forces that rule the world, or alien forces that want
to rule the world.....
If that's a movie with a plot, so is every movie ..sorry guys, but almost every
single science fiction movie has that story(e.g. ID4, Spawn, Conan, Stargate,
Superman, Starship Troopers, Total recall ...). If you are convinced that these
are all movies with a great plot..well ..ok that's your opinion ..But what
makes star wars brilliant are the special effects which are still up to date in
'98 so they were pretty amazing in '77....
And they made the characters in Star Wars very human, so you can recognize
yourself in these heroes...
But in fact it's the same old bullshit as always.....
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:02:24 -0600
From: "Fabien FOUGEROUX" <fabien@vtech.fr>
Subject: [MV] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:01:15 +0200
I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
Anyway, here's my question:
I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels" (I'm
not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie but
I'm still undecided...
Thanks for your help!
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:08:14 PDT
From: "Danielle Conkle" <danyelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MV] city of angels
>I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
>Anyway, here's my question:
>
>I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels"
(I'm
>not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie
but
>I'm still undecided...
I saw it and liked it, but i never saw the original. Is that any
good? The soundtrack for City of Angels is really good.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:38:04 +0200
From: manuel morrens <mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be>
Subject: Re: [MV] city of angels
Danielle Conkle wrote:
> >I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
> >Anyway, here's my question:
> >
> >I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels"
> (I'm
> >not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie
> but
> >I'm still undecided...
> I saw it and liked it, but i never saw the original. Is that any
> good? The soundtrack for City of Angels is really good.
>
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The movie is very good ...Maybe that's because I'm as well a hugh
Cage-fan as a Ryan-fan ...so a movie with those two I'm there baby!
No really, the movie is a brilliant... if you can handle romantic movies
it's a must see...
The story is touching and they both act very well. What else do you want?
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:49:14 -0400
From: ryana@allensysgroup.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
At 19:03 8/18/98 , you wrote:
> Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
>effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
>a story.
I disagree. Without reading other posts, let me give my two cents. It is
said that in literature, there are only 12 (or close to it) true story
ideas or plots. That every one since the dawn of time has dealt with one
of these twelve issues.
_Star Wars_ was a great story. Classic good vs. evil. A true HERO story,
in which the hero must face a personal decision, leave his home, on this
personal quest, grow, and return home to win the day. Thus achieving hero
status. Classic story, good vs. evil plot. The effects were great for the
time (and still are for some versions), which enhanced the story.
_Aliens_ was another great story. But it really depends on which version
you see. I'll talk about the non-Special Edition one. This was a survival
story. Man vs. nature (the force that created the Alien). Ripley, the
only surviving member of the original mission is asked to return to deep
space to discover what happened to this colony on the Alien planet. Torn
between the hated of the company, her decision to never return to that
wastehole planet, and her utter lack of self-confidence in defeating the
alien, she wants a sense of closure. So grudgingly she returns with a
promise that they are going to kill the aliens (unlike the first movie,
where the company wanted to bring one back for testing). Self-assured at
that, she returns. Classic cat and mouse game with some really great tension.
_T2_ was a great sci-fi movie and interesting fiction story (I mean imagine
if it was true, that computers took over). But if you don't buy into the
Terminator universe story line, then you won't think it's much of a story.
But it is. Another example of good vs. evil (a trait throughout ALL
Cameron films). Only this time, good is now the Terminator and evil is the
corporate that creates the future chip. The special effects in this movie
were great (except the police car scene and when the guy launches off the
semi when it crashes), but that doesn't discount from the story line.
Which I can see isn't that interesting if you don't like violence (but how
many people did we see REALLY get killed) or don't enjoy the Terminator
universe.
Oh well, just my two cents.
Cheers,
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:29:40 EDT
From: <BzRvueNews@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] city of angels
I wan not as wild for it as you folks.
City of Angels
This story of an angel and a human woman is one to see with a romantic
partner. For the most part sedate, it builds to an end that will leave you
rejoicing in the life that you have.
For the longest while, it bored me silly. I could not understand why Nicholas
Cage would choose to portray an angel as such an uninteresting waste of time.
Meg Ryan, as well, made me feel as if I couldn't care less. Her character, a
doctor, seemed to be barely there.
Then along came a crisis. Things quickened and became much more interesting.
Then along came Dennis Franz. Subsequently, the movie snapped, crackled, and
popped.
What had been uninteresting, became an interesting time at the movies.
Buzzy
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:21:18 +0200
From: manuel morrens <mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
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Ryan Allen wrote:
> I disagree. Without reading other posts, let me give my two cents. It is
> said that in literature, there are only 12 (or close to it) true story
> ideas or plots. That every one since the dawn of time has dealt with one
> of these twelve issues.
> _Star Wars_ was a great story. Classic good vs. evil. A true HERO story,
> in which the hero must face a personal decision, leave his home, on this
> personal quest, grow, and return home to win the day. Thus achieving hero
> status. Classic story, good vs. evil plot. The effects were great for the
> time (and still are for some versions), which enhanced the story.
> _Aliens_ was another great story. But it really depends on which version
> you see. I'll talk about the non-Special Edition one. This was a survival
> story. Man vs. nature (the force that created the Alien). Ripley, the
> only surviving member of the original mission is asked to return to deep
> space to discover what happened to this colony on the Alien planet. Torn
> between the hated of the company, her decision to never return to that
> wastehole planet, and her utter lack of self-confidence in defeating the
> alien, she wants a sense of closure. So grudgingly she returns with a
> promise that they are going to kill the aliens (unlike the first movie,
> where the company wanted to bring one back for testing). Self-assured at
> that, she returns. Classic cat and mouse game with some really great tension.
> _T2_ was a great sci-fi movie and interesting fiction story (I mean imagine
> if it was true, that computers took over). But if you don't buy into the
> Terminator universe story line, then you won't think it's much of a story.
> But it is. Another example of good vs. evil (a trait throughout ALL
> Cameron films). Only this time, good is now the Terminator and evil is the
> corporate that creates the future chip. The special effects in this movie
> were great (except the police car scene and when the guy launches off the
> semi when it crashes), but that doesn't discount from the story line.
> Which I can see isn't that interesting if you don't like violence (but how
> many people did we see REALLY get killed) or don't enjoy the Terminator
> universe.
Ok, if you think all these movies have a great plot, name me one movie that
hasn't....
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Ryan Allen wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I disagree. Without reading other posts, let
me give my two cents. It is
<BR>said that in literature, there are only 12 (or close to it) true story
<BR>ideas or plots. That every one since the dawn of time has dealt
with one
<BR>of these twelve issues.
<BR>_Star Wars_ was a great story. Classic good vs. evil. A
true HERO story,
<BR>in which the hero must face a personal decision, leave his home, on
this
<BR>personal quest, grow, and return home to win the day. Thus achieving
hero
<BR>status. Classic story, good vs. evil plot. The effects
were great for the
<BR>time (and still are for some versions), which enhanced the story.
<BR>_Aliens_ was another great story. But it really depends on which
version
<BR>you see. I'll talk about the non-Special Edition one. This
was a survival
<BR>story. Man vs. nature (the force that created the Alien).
Ripley, the
<BR>only surviving member of the original mission is asked to return to
deep
<BR>space to discover what happened to this colony on the Alien planet.
Torn
<BR>between the hated of the company, her decision to never return to that
<BR>wastehole planet, and her utter lack of self-confidence in defeating
the
<BR>alien, she wants a sense of closure. So grudgingly she returns
with a
<BR>promise that they are going to kill the aliens (unlike the first movie,
<BR>where the company wanted to bring one back for testing). Self-assured
at
<BR>that, she returns. Classic cat and mouse game with some really
great tension.
<BR>_T2_ was a great sci-fi movie and interesting fiction story (I mean
imagine
<BR>if it was true, that computers took over). But if you don't buy
into the
<BR>Terminator universe story line, then you won't think it's much of a
story.
<BR>But it is. Another example of good vs. evil (a trait throughout
ALL
<BR>Cameron films). Only this time, good is now the Terminator and
evil is the
<BR>corporate that creates the future chip. The special effects in
this movie
<BR>were great (except the police car scene and when the guy launches off
the
<BR>semi when it crashes), but that doesn't discount from the story line.
<BR>Which I can see isn't that interesting if you don't like violence (but
how
<BR>many people did we see REALLY get killed) or don't enjoy the Terminator
<BR>universe.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok, if you think all these movies have a great plot, name me one
movie that hasn't....
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:12:51 cet
From: "greuel" <greuel@eifel-net.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
> Yeah, ok Star Wars is a good movie and a classic but that doesn't make it a
> movie with a great plot...The movie is about good vs. evil...a bunch of guys
> fighting against the evil forces that rule the world, or alien forces that want
> to rule the world.....
> If that's a movie with a plot, so is every movie ..sorry guys, but almost every
> single science fiction movie has that story(e.g. ID4, Spawn, Conan, Stargate,
> Superman, Starship Troopers, Total recall ...). If you are convinced that these
> are all movies with a great plot..well ..ok that's your opinion ..But what
> makes star wars brilliant are the special effects which are still up to date in
> '98 so they were pretty amazing in '77....
> And they made the characters in Star Wars very human, so you can recognize
> yourself in these heroes...
> But in fact it's the same old bullshit as always.....
Well, I understand were you are getting to. Star Wars is more of a
fairy tale than anything else. I'd say it's the best SF fairy tale I ever saw,
but fairy tales don't have heavy plots. I don't know which film you
would name with a better plot. Dune, I presume (wow that almost
rhymes). If so, yeah you are right. When I first saw it I didn't have a
clue what it was about, after reading Herbert's novel I thought the
guy must be a complete nutter that he is able to create such a vivid
universe, but let's face it. Dune bombed at the box offices. The
attraction of Star Wars is that it is a decent series, with FX that
contribute to the plot (other than all this stuff we been thrown at
lately where FX are the mere purpose) and a nice and easy story. Star
Wars doesn't leave you thinking very much, but it set standards for
decent SF entertainment that haven't been met in the last 20 years.
And to be honest there is no film I am looking forward to more than
episode one. I can smell that I'll be incredibly disappointed, but what
the heck.
thomas
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sara Huffman <shuffman@lcsc.edu>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, manuel morrens wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, ok Star Wars is a good movie and a classic but that doesn't make it a
> movie with a great plot...The movie is about good vs. evil...a bunch of guys
> fighting against the evil forces that rule the world, or alien forces that want
> to rule the world.....
> If that's a movie with a plot, so is every movie ..sorry guys, but almost every
> single science fiction movie has that story(e.g. ID4, Spawn, Conan, Stargate,
> Superman, Starship Troopers, Total recall ...)...
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> Manuel Morrens mmorrens@minf.vub.ac.be
> Department of Medicine http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties
> Brussels Free University (lyrics of the eighties)
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Good vs. Evil is not a plot--it is a theme. Star Wars is much more than
a theme--it has a plot that has continued to develop through three movies
and no doubt will continue to develop through three more. It was part
of a continuing story that is complex and does not rely simply on special
effects to make it work.
- --just my two cents
--Sara
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:31:02 -0400
From: ryana@allensysgroup.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
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At 10:21 8/19/98 , you wrote:
>
> Ok, if you think all these movies have a great plot, name me one movie that
> hasn't.... </blockquote>> </pre><font size=1>Manuel,<br>>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Don't be so
focused on the plot that the story gets lost. The plot is a simple
objevtive. In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY simple. To
discuss only a plot line of a movie, without the surrounding story, can
sometimes be useless. Examples:<br>> <br>> _Star Wars_ - Plot: defeat
darth vader and in the process destroy the death star.<br>> _T2_ - Plot:
Keep John Conner from being killed.<br>> _Aliens_ - Plot: Discover why the
colony has lost contact.<br>> <br>>
<x-tab> </x-tab>There are
movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories, and vise
versa. Some examples:<br>> <br>> _The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA agent
wants revenge for his father's death so many years ago. Poor
story.<br>> _Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact,
new villian wants to find God. Poor story, bad effect (could've been
better)<br>> _ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from
destroying a star so he can reenter energy wave. Decent story (better
as an episode).<br>> <br>> There are so many movies over the year that have
had poor plots (the entire Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've
forgotten. But my point is that plots and the surrounding story often
go hand in hand. Sometimes good and good, bad and good, & bad and
bad. But to single out only a plot and critizise it without cause is
not a smart move.<br>> <br>> Sincerely,<br>> Ryan</font><br>> <div>Intranet
Specialist</div>> <div>Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)</div>> <div>Allen
Systems Group</div>> <div><a href="http://www.asg.com/"
EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://www.asg.com</a></div>> <br>> <div>## Hurricane Season
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</pre><font
size=1>Manuel,<br><x-tab> </x
- -tab>Don't be so focused on the plot that the story gets lost. The
plot is a simple objevtive. In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY
simple. To discuss only a plot line of a movie, without the
surrounding story, can sometimes be useless. Examples:<br><br>_Star
Wars_ - Plot: defeat darth vader and in the process destroy the death
star.<br>_T2_ - Plot: Keep John Conner from being killed.<br>_Aliens_ -
Plot: Discover why the colony has lost
contact.<br><br><x-tab> </x-t
ab>There are movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories,
and vise versa. Some examples:<br><br>_The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA
agent wants revenge for his father's death so many years ago. Poor
story.<br>_Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact, new
villian wants to find God. Poor story, bad effect (could've been
better)<br>_ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from
destroying a star so he can reenter energy wave. Decent story (better
as an episode).<br><br>There are so many movies over the year that have had
poor plots (the entire Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've
forgotten. But my point is that plots and the surrounding story often
go hand in hand. Sometimes good and good, bad and good, & bad and
bad. But to single out only a plot and critizise it without cause is
not a smart move.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Ryan</font><br><div>Intranet
Specialist</div><div>Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)</div><div>Allen
Systems Group</div><div><a href="http://www.asg.com/"
EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://www.asg.com</a></div><br><div>## Hurricane Season
(June 1-Nov. 1) is Here! ##</div><div>## Please visit my Personal Page
##</div>## <a href="http://www.gate.net/%7Eairwolf"
EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://www.gate.net/~airwolf</a>
##</html>Manuel,
Don't be so focused on the plot that the story gets lost. The plot
is a
simple objevtive. In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY simple. To discuss
only
a plot line of a movie, without the surrounding story, can sometimes be
useless. Examples:
_Star Wars_ - Plot: defeat darth vader and in the process destroy the death
star.
_T2_ - Plot: Keep John Conner from being killed.
_Aliens_ - Plot: Discover why the colony has lost contact.
There are movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories,
and vise versa. Some examples:
_The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA agent wants revenge for his father's death so
many years ago. Poor story.
_Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact, new villian wants
to find God. Poor story, bad effect (could've been better)
_ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from destroying a star so
he can reenter energy wave. Decent story (better as an episode).
There are so many movies over the year that have had poor plots (the entire
Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've forgotten. But my point is that
plots and the surrounding story often go hand in hand. Sometimes good and
good, bad and good, & bad and bad. But to single out only a plot and
critizise
it without cause is not a smart move.
Sincerely,
Ryan
Intranet Specialist
Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
Allen Systems Group
http://www.asg.com
## Hurricane Season (June 1-Nov. 1) is Here! ##
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At 10:21 8/19/98 , you wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Ok, if you think all these movies have a
great plot, name me one movie that hasn't.... <pre></blockquote>
</pre><font size=1>Manuel,<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Don't be
so focused on the plot that the story gets lost. The plot is a
simple objevtive. In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY simple.
To discuss only a plot line of a movie, without the surrounding story,
can sometimes be useless. Examples:<br>
<br>
_Star Wars_ - Plot: defeat darth vader and in the process destroy the
death star.<br>
_T2_ - Plot: Keep John Conner from being killed.<br>
_Aliens_ - Plot: Discover why the colony has lost contact.<br>
<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>There are
movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories, and vise
versa. Some examples:<br>
<br>
_The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA agent wants revenge for his father's death
so many years ago. Poor story.<br>
_Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact, new villian
wants to find God. Poor story, bad effect (could've been
better)<br>
_ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from destroying a
star so he can reenter energy wave. Decent story (better as an
episode).<br>
<br>
There are so many movies over the year that have had poor plots (the
entire Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've forgotten. But my
point is that plots and the surrounding story often go hand in
hand. Sometimes good and good, bad and good, & bad and
bad. But to single out only a plot and critizise it without cause
is not a smart move.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Ryan</font><br>
<div>Intranet Specialist</div>
<div>Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)</div>
<div>Allen Systems Group</div>
<div><a href="http://www.asg.com/" EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://www.asg.com</a></div>
<br>
<div>## Hurricane Season (June 1-Nov. 1) is Here! ##</div>
<div>## Please visit my Personal Page ##</div>
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