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movies-digest         Saturday, August 8 1998         Volume 02 : Number 059



[MV] Movies that suck
[MV] Movie News - 08/07/98
Re: [MV] HELP
[MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
[MV] Coming Monday, 8.10, to The Flick Filosopher...
Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
RE: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
RE: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
[MV] Saving Private Ryan, The Killer, Lethal Weapon 4 and Disturbing , Behavior, Something about Mary, Zorro
[MV] FW: Story
Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Re: [MV] HELP
Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Re: [MV] Saving Private Ryan
Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:11:31 -0700
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Subject: [MV] Movies that suck

Garrett Winters <[e-mail]> Wrote re in response to some
bashing of "Godzilla" and "Lost in Space":

>I really don't know what people
expect from a movie nowadays...
My stock reply to someone when they say this movie or that tv
show sucked
is " Could you do better?"

You must have extremely low expectations for your moviegoing
experiences. When I go to the movies, I expect to see something
creative and profession, not some dreck that just anybody could
come up with in their spare time.

Sure, "Godzilla" and "Lost in Space" had lots of special effects,
but that's all they had. The originals on which they were based
may have been cheesy, but they had a charm and an unself-consciousness
that the new movies lacked.

Needless to say, I hated both films (rants at http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/2q98/godzillalostworld.html
and http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/1q98/lostinspace.html).

MaryAnn Johanson
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:07:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/07/98

Two fledgling Hollywood writers, who have yet to get a script
produced, managed to secure what could turn out to be the
highest-paying screenplay deal ever. Brandon Camp and Mike Thompson
stand to earn an unprecedented $8.5 million for their original
screenplay, "Steinbeck's Point of View," and a second film they would
pen under a "blind-script" commitment if both pictures get made. The
deal was structured with the intention of putting "Steinbeck's Point
of View," described as a "Field of Dreams"-style romance, on a fast
track at Warner Bros. A number of directors and stars, including Tom
Cruise, have shown interest in the project, but none is attached.

                        -=> * <=-

Premature babies will have a tough time finding work in Hollywood
under a new law signed by California Gov. Pete Wilson. The statute,
signed into law this week, prohibits the use of premature babies
under the age of one month in TV and films. The state passed the law
at the urging of the Screen Actors Guild. Under the new law, infants
below the age of one month cannot be employed unless a doctor
certifies the baby was carried to full term, was of normal birth
weight, is at least 15 days old, has sufficiently developed lungs,
eyes, heart and immune system and "is physically capable of handling
the stress of filmmaking."

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:51:06 -0500
From: Gary Pruitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] HELP

    On our list for this weekend are:  The Negotiator and Holloween H2O.
Nothing like gratuitous violence and gore to take you mind off of things!!!
LOL

At 06:26 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey there!
>
> Okay I have to be the worst movie watcher ever!! I have only seen two
>that's right two movies this year. One was City of angels and the other
>one was Anastasia. I know, I know. I haven't even seen Titanic. I am one
>of the few ( if there are any left that is). I just got off a mini
>mission, and now I am getting ready to go on a full time mission. I
>would love to watch a movie, but I have about a million things to do
>before I head to the MTC. If any of you can help me fill in my movie
>gap, I would be grateful!!
>
>Megan in Canada
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:54:49 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98

Despite their reputations for having egos of the highest
order, Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston -- or, for equal
billing, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey -- will record
their first-ever duet together. The song is "When You
Believe," the theme to the DreamWorks animated feature "The
Prince of Egypt." The cartoon, due this Christmas, tells the
tale of Moses (whose voice is Val Kilmer's). Producing the
title tune for Mariah and Whitney -- or Whitney and Mariah
- -- is Babyface.

                        -=> * <=-

Entertainment industry analysts tell the Los Angeles
Business Journal that Hollywood is experiencing a changing
of the guard, a shift that typically occurs about once every
20 years. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Demi
Moore and others are losing ground at the box office to the
likes of Jim Carrey, Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz. A
study by Reel Source, Inc., which charts movie grosses,
shows that even though the older stars are still pulling
down big bucks, they are losing their drawing power.

                        -=> * <=-

Steven Spielberg's widely acclaimed World War II film
"Saving Private Ryan" is drawing fire. Some African-American
veterans are complaining that the film fails to portray
their role during the war. Sheila Douglas, a spokeswoman for
the NAACP, tells New York's Daily News the organization has
been fielding complaints. Spielberg spokesman Marvin Levy
contends that the film concentrates on a small unit at a
time when the U.S. military was not fully integrated.

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Date: 7 Aug 1998 20:23:33 -0000
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Subject: [MV] Coming Monday, 8.10, to The Flick Filosopher...

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shaking her head at the screen, and then she'd return her cottage to sit
in front of her magic writing box, most of the time spewing out rants
bemoaning the state of all things filmic.

One day, while she was wandering the labyrinthine aisles of her local
Blockbuster, a small child approached the filosopher.

"My brother says you're a witch. Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" the
child asked the filosopher.

"I'm not any kind of witch," the filosopher replied with a kindly smile.
"Could be your brother used that other word, the one that rhymes with
'witch' and starts with a 'b.'"

The child considered this for a moment. "Could be," the child said, and
wandered off.

The filosopher thought about this encounter all the way home. Perhaps she
had become less than enthusiastic lately. "I absorb so much of the dreck
the evil lords of Hollywood send forth into the world," she told herself.
"Perhaps it's time to recharge."

So the filosopher vowed that this week, she would enjoy some Fairy Tales.
She would view "Ever After," a tale of Cinderella, and a trio of magical
confections from her childhood, newly gussied up: the Special Editions of
"Star Wars," "The Empire Strikes Back," and "The Return of the Jedi."

And all would be made right with the world.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:02:43 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

I have to say that the response of "Can you do better." is absolutely
inappropriate.  Would you hold judgement on a quack doctor because
you can't do better?  Would you hold judgement on  an incompetent
plumber because you can't do better?

We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
crap on us in the future.

bb

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:15:52 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

HERE HERE!! I've been wasting my breath on the very same point with my
husband about ALL Segal's and Harlin's movies!!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Bruce Bridges [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Friday, August 07, 1998 2:03 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
>
> I have to say that the response of "Can you do better." is absolutely
> inappropriate.  Would you hold judgement on a quack doctor because
> you can't do better?  Would you hold judgement on  an incompetent
> plumber because you can't do better?
>
> We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
> happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
> movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
> scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
> are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
> opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
> crap on us in the future.
>
> bb
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:17:57 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98

> [ The frogurt is also cursed! ] [Romero, Leticia]   what does this
> mean??!!!!
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:52:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Saving Private Ryan, The Killer, Lethal Weapon 4 and Disturbing , Behavior, Something about Mary, Zorro

Saving Private Ryan was amazing... I have to admit the violence really
got to me, though. I mean, I sat through the Killers without a problem
(for that matter, I haven't had a problem with anything by Woo) but some
of the images from Saving Private Ryan have bothered me for days.

Lethal Weapon 4 was amusing. Unabelievable, probably offensive to anyone
of Chinese descent, but it was funny.

Disturbing Behavoir. Well, I saw this one because I watched it while at
work, so therefore it was free (almost every movie I've seen this summer
has been while I have been at work, so I haven't really gotten to choose
what I am going to see.)  I can't say it is worth seeing. It wasn't bad,
but it was fairly lame. My resident loved it, but...

Zorro. Another work movie, but this movie was enjoyable. I can't say much
other than I liked it. Good sword fights, etc.

There's Something About Mary: enjoyable, funny, not my usual type of show
but all in all a good experience. Not a bad way to spend time and money...

The Killer. Excellent. Incredibly violent... I'm not going to say much
more because I bet that anyone who sees this probably already knows about
it. I can't decide whether I prefer Hard Boiled or The Killer more (I saw
both with subtitles. Any other way would be... wrong.)


I think my favorite movie from the summer is Clockwatchers.
That's about all- time to go complete a 58 hour work week..... it's hard
not to lament...


kg


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:30:27 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] FW: Story

This is only slightly movie related, but I thought you all would get a
laugh...


> A true story!
>
> Having her hair done at a West Hempstead, New York beauty parlor, a
> woman told a cautionary tale about racial prejudice. This story deserves
> a wider audience.
>
> On a recent weekend in Atlantic City the woman related, she won a
> bucketful of quarters at a slot machine. She took a break from the slot
> for dinner with her husband in the hotel
> dining room. But first she would stash the quarters in her room.
>
> "I'll be right back and we'll go to eat," she told her husband and she
> carried the coin-laden bucket to the elevator bank. As she was about to
> walk into an elevator she noticed two
> men already aboard.
> Both were black. One of them was big. Very big. An intimidating figure.
> The woman froze.
> Her first thought was these two are going to rob me. Her next thought
> was don't be a bigot, they look like perfectly nice gentlemen, even if
> one of them is awfully big. But racial
> stereotypes are powerful, and fear immobilized her.
> She stood and stared at the two men. She felt anxious, flustered,
> ashamed. She hoped they didn't read her mind but knew they surely did;
> her hesitation about joining them on
> the elevator was all too obvious. Her face burned. She couldn't just
> stand there, so with a mighty effort of will she picked up one foot and
> stepped forward and followed with the
> other foot and was on the elevator.
> Avoiding eye contact, she turned around stiffly and faced the elevator
> doors as they closed. A second passed, and then another second, and then
> another. The elevator didn't
> move. Panic consumed her. My God, she thought, I'm trapped and about to
> be robbed!
> Her heart plummeted. Perspiration poured from every pore.
> Then one of the men said, "Hit the floor." Instinct told her: Do what
> they tell you. The bucket of quarters flew upwards as she threw out her
> arms and collapsed on the elevator
> carpet. A shower of coins rained down on her. Take my money and spare
> me, she prayed. More seconds passed.
> She heard one of the men say politely, "Ma'am, if you'll just tell us
> what floor you're going to, we'll push the button." The one who said it
> had a little trouble getting words out.
> He was trying mightily to hold in a belly laugh. She lifted her head and
> looked up at the two men. They reached down to help her up. Confused,
> she struggled to her feet.
> "When I told my man here to hit the floor," the average sized one told
> her, "I meant that he should hit the elevator button for our floor. I
> didn't mean for you to hit the floor,
> ma'am." He spoke genially. He bit his lip. It was obvious he was having
> a hard time not laughing. She thought: My God, what a spectacle I've
> made of myself. She was too humiliated to speak. She wanted to blurt out
> an apology, but words failed her. How do you apologize to two perfectly
> respectable gentlemen for behaving as though they were robbing you?? She
> didn't know.
> The 3 of them gathered up the strewn quarters and refilled her bucket.
> When the elevator arrived at her floor, they insisted on walking her to
> her room. She seemed a little unsteady on her feet, and they were afraid
> she might not make it down the
> corridor. At her door they bid her good evening. As she slipped into her
> room, she could hear them laughing while they walked back to the
> elevator.
> The woman brushed herself off.? She pulled herself together and went
> downstairs for dinner with her husband.
> The next morning flowers were delivered to her room--a dozen roses.
> Attached to each rose was a crisp one hundred dollar bill.
>
> The card read, "Thanks for the best laugh we've had in years."
> It was signed, Eddie Murphy and Bodyguard.

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:37:58 +0100
From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

Well here's a tuppence worth ...
I'll agree that the comment about doing better was a tad inappropriate,
having said that I've seen Godzilla and Lost In Space, and in spite of the
flaws apparent in both, enjoyed them both thoroughly, both as a ancient fan
of monster movies and old, old sci-fi TV series. I can't say I expected
either to be of the calibre of Saving Private Ryan, but instead was content
that at least this time I wouldn't be noticing the zipper in the monsters
back or the robot wobbling around on the trucked-in-dirt lot.
It appeared that both could have used a more talented scriptwriter and
casting agent, but there are very few films that are really well written or
cast - and I felt the same on just about every 'major' blockbuster film
released in the past 5 years.
Everyone loathed and despised Twister, Batman, Jurassic Park, Independence
Day and so on and so forth when they were released - but let's face it,
blockbusters aren't about Oscar winning scripts or deep & meaningful life
lessons - they're about fun and destruction and mostly they do have a pretty
cheesy script!
To be honest, I was more surprised that everyone seemed to love The Fifth
Element so much, when the story was practically cobbled together like a pair
of old shoes, the dialogue was about as bland as could be, the creature
effects were nicked straight from Return of the Jedi (soldiers and singers
both!) ... yada yada yada ... but there it is.
The casting of both Godzilla and Lost In Space was pretty outfield but
otherwise they delivered good action sequences and even got the audiences
laughing from time to time. It's just an evening's entertainment.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: 07 August 1998 22:00
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply


>I have to say that the response of "Can you do better." is absolutely
>inappropriate.  Would you hold judgement on a quack doctor because
>you can't do better?  Would you hold judgement on  an incompetent
>plumber because you can't do better?
>
>We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
>happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
>movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
>scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
>are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
>opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
>crap on us in the future.
>
>bb
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:55:11 -0500
From: "Tonya =)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] HELP

Megan,

There are a lot of good movies that you should check out. First of all, you
HAVE to see Titanic if you haven't seen it yet.  It is probably still in
those theaters that only charge about a dollar, but that is the only place
you'd find it until Sept. 1 (which is when it comes out on video).

I secondly highly recommend that you see Armageddon.  I really enjoyed this
movie. It had everything; drama, comedy, romance, tragedy, and action.

 I also suggest you taking a look at Deep Impact. It is sort of like
Armageddon, but much more fast-paced (in my opinion).

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:28:37 cet
From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

> We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
> happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
> movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
> scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
> are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
> opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
> crap on us in the future.

Well said. I think the sad thing is that many of us *could* actually do better.
There is so much focus on FX these days that plot and character seem to be
largely absent. Anyone putting more focus on that than on explosions is very
likely to do better. People still want to see stories about people and not
explosions. 90 min of mere FX are simply not enough. I  doubt though that
these films will vanish. I presume Godzilla will still make the break even - even
if it is done by action figures and merchandise, and as long as these films
cash in enough money they will be made over and over again. The plague on
computer animations! They should be supporting and not compete in the
category of main interest in a film. I think we have to live with the fact that
these films are not targeted at a mature audience but rather on kids. And in the
end we are not really discussing the latest Muppet movies - so maybe we just
have to live with the fact that these films are not targeted at us and forget
about them.
We can only pray that the Stars Wars sequel will have some quality with a
revival of plot - although this will probably mean that there'll be another Battle
Star Galactica with cheap FX and silly story.

thomas

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:53:04 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

In a message dated 8/8/98 1:00:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I think we have to live with the fact that
 these films are not targeted at a mature audience but rather on kids. And in
the
 end we are not really discussing the latest Muppet movies - so maybe we just
 have to live with the fact that these films are not targeted at us and forget
 about them.
 We can only pray that the Stars Wars sequel will have some quality with a
 revival of plot - although this will probably mean that there'll be another
Battle
 Star Galactica with cheap FX and silly story.
  >>


This makes me angry.  I cannot adequately reply right now.

Nothing lights my fuses more than pseudo-intellectual superiority.


Buzzy

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:57:07 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Saving Private Ryan

At 02.52 PM 07/08/98 -0700, Kelly L. Garrett wrote:
>
>Saving Private Ryan was amazing... I have to admit the violence really
>got to me, though. I mean, I sat through the Killers without a problem
>(for that matter, I haven't had a problem with anything by Woo) but some
>of the images from Saving Private Ryan have bothered me for days.

From everything I have heard of this movie, it reminds me of Platoon, which
I saw at University.  When that movie ended, it was so hard to come back to
reality.  Walking out of the theatre into a cold Northern Pennsylvania
night was almost a shock to the system.

Since that time, this has been my criterion for a very good movie.  It must
make me forget where I am.  When the house lights come up, if it takes me a
second to get my bearings, then I feel it is money well spent.

Even some of my favourite movies have not affected me like that, and I
never sat thru Platoon again.  But I will never forget the first time I saw
that movie.

For this reason, and this reason only, I am looking forward to seeing
Saving Pvt Ryan on the big screen.  I just know in my heart that the power
of this movie will make everything else pale in comparison.

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:51:33 cet
From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

> To be honest, I was more surprised that everyone seemed to love The Fifth
> Element so much, when the story was practically cobbled together like a pair
> of old shoes, the dialogue was about as bland as could be, the creature
> effects were nicked straight from Return of the Jedi (soldiers and singers
> both!) ... yada yada yada ... but there it is.

all of that is true - one could argue whether the references are deliberate - but
I don't think that is going anywhere. I think the difference is that 5th element
was somewhat different in its style - trying to be innovative (Even when most
of it is stolen). It was pretty obvious that this is not a Hwood film (maybe this is
why critics loved it) but had a true French flavour to it. I thought that the
effects were put to a better use in this one than in any of those you
mentioned. I believe the visuals served a different purpose (but I can't put the
finger on it - so I might as well be wrong here). Maybe it was just not quite as
mainstream and maybe I sensed some ambition there beyond making big
bucks. I can't tell. Your arguments are good, but there was something that
made me overlook the rather cheasy script. I would prefer more of those kinda
films than another Batman done in the fashion of the last one.

BTW does anyone know whether there is a sequel to Batman- think I
remember something like that and I think I remember Burton being in charge -
but that might just be wishful thinking.

thomas

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:22:35 +0100
From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply

Well, of course the references MIGHT have been deliberate - but in both
Godzilla and Lost In Space the references WERE DEFINITELY deliberate and
that's what everyone hated (!) - the inconsistency of the emotional
responses is what I'm confused about :)
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From: greuel <[e-mail]>
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Date: 08 August 1998 10:23
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply



> To be honest, I was more surprised that everyone seemed to love The Fifth
> Element so much, when the story was practically cobbled together like a
pair
> of old shoes, the dialogue was about as bland as could be, the creature
> effects were nicked straight from Return of the Jedi (soldiers and singers
> both!) ... yada yada yada ... but there it is.

all of that is true - one could argue whether the references are
deliberate - but
I don't think that is going anywhere. I think the difference is that 5th
element
was somewhat different in its style - trying to be innovative (Even when
most
of it is stolen). It was pretty obvious that this is not a Hwood film (maybe
this is
why critics loved it) but had a true French flavour to it. I thought that
the
effects were put to a better use in this one than in any of those you
mentioned. I believe the visuals served a different purpose (but I can't put
the
finger on it - so I might as well be wrong here). Maybe it was just not
quite as
mainstream and maybe I sensed some ambition there beyond making big
bucks. I can't tell. Your arguments are good, but there was something that
made me overlook the rather cheasy script. I would prefer more of those
kinda
films than another Batman done in the fashion of the last one.

BTW does anyone know whether there is a sequel to Batman- think I
remember something like that and I think I remember Burton being in charge -
but that might just be wishful thinking.

thomas

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to give birth to a dancing star"
              Friedrich Nietzsche

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