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movies-digest          Friday, July 10 1998          Volume 02 : Number 052



Re: [MV] films that worthing seeing -Reply -Reply
[MV] Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:41:18 +0200
Re:  [MV] Famous Lines
Re: [MV] Movie News Blurb - 07/07/98
[MV] Movie News - 07/08/98
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
Re: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
Re:  [MV] Famous Lines
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
Re: [MV] Movie News Blurb - 07/07/98
Re: [MV] Armageddon review
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
[MV] Movie quotes
Re: [MV] Famous Lines
Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet
Re: [MV] Movie News Blurb - 07/07/98
RE: [MV] Armageddon review
Re: [MV] Armageddon review
RE: [MV] Armageddon review
RE: [MV] Armageddon review -Reply
[MV] Movie News - 07/10/98

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:45:49 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] films that worthing seeing -Reply -Reply

Of course everybody loves Jackie Chan and his action cohorts but I
really like the surreal chinese fantasies such as Bride With White
Hair and Chinese Ghost Story.  There is a joy of creation in a lot of
Chinese/Hong Kong films that one does not find in the slick hollywood
product of today.

Last night I saw "Something about Mary" at a press screening.  This
is one of the grossest, most tasteless and offensive films I have
ever seen.  It is also one of the funniest.  There are slow parts but
when it is funny it is through the roof.  As I said it has something
to offend everybody so don't bother if you're sensitive.  I get the
feeling that the filmmakers (who also made Dumb and Dumber and
Kingpin) are just daring you not to laugh.  There are easily three
individual scenes that will become classics in the vein of the
campfire scene in Blazing Saddles.  Of course I won't tell you any
details so that I don't ruin it but if you want to laugh check this
movie out.

bye,
bb

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:06:30 -0600
From: Mladen Golac <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:41:18 +0200

An additional few: Tim (1979), Gallipoli (1981), Attack Force Z (1982), The
Bounty (1984) as Fletcher Christian, Hamlet (1990), Bird on a Wire (1990),
Maverick (1994), Casper (1995)- uncredited-himself

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:32:50 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  [MV] Famous Lines

> 63. "This is yet another example of the late neoclassical baroque
> period. And as I always say, if it's not baroque, don't fix it!"    -->
> Beauty and the Beast, Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)

It was Cogsworth (David Ogden Stiers) who said this.

> 99. "That's more than a dress. That's an Audrey Hepburn movie."

I'm 100% positive this is Tom Cruise as the title character in "Jerry Maguire".

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 18:07:20 +0100
From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News Blurb - 07/07/98

The Reporter writes
>Alyssa Milano is playing the voice of Angel in the sequel to =ECLady and
>the Tramp,=EE an animated feature for Disney.

Is that the same girl who used to be in "Who's the Boss" with Tony =
Danza? If so it's nice to see her make a comeback
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:06:54 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 07/08/98

Patrick Stewart, who just wrapped his third big-screen stint
steering the Starship Enterprise in "Star Trek:
Insurrection," is moving toward warp speed in a new
enterprise: producing. Variety reports Stewart's Flying
Freehold production company has set in motion two films that
he will star in. Stewart is also teaming up with "Moby Dick"
producer Robert Halmi Sr. for a Hallmark Entertainment
mini-series adaptation of Charles Dickens' "A Christmas
Carol." Stewart will play Scrooge and possibly narrate. He
has performed a one-man holiday stage version of the Dickens
classic for years but has long resisted offers to film it.

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:19:08 cet
From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

> that the acting was uninteresting and unexciting.  And in some scenes it
> was pure overacting.

I guess that was the point since the whole film is over the top. A film that uses
archaic language has to display some distance to reality to not seem silly to a
young audience.

>     A classic story, like R&J, needs to offer characters that audiences can
> either identify with or want to be like.  I felt that R&J accomplished
> neither.  Teaching kids that Shakespeare was "a cool dude" through this is
> insulting.  Besides the name, and plot (boy and girl in love but can't be
> together), this version has nothing to do with Shakespeare.

You can bring kids to understand that this is not ancient crap of no relevance,
and I bet a number of teenies went to read the play afterwards. That's more
than the average English teacher accomplishes teaching Shakespeare.

>     IMHO, I feel that this version of R&J was one of the worst ever, and that
> the goal was to simply sell soundtracks.  I didn't think there were any
> redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Well, it's legitimate to modernise a play - that's done with all classic plays - if
you are unable to put the play in a modern setting then it has no other
relevance than historic interest. To your taste this is too modern, but the kids
love it and in terms of angles, shooting, effects it is pretty much based on the
more recent Scorsese filming - just pushing it much further. In the end this is
not really a film for anyone appreciating Shakespeare but for the MTV
generation - and for that kinda audience it works. What it displays to an
audience that is focused on fast pics and loud music is that Shakespeare still
has significance.

>     If this is true, then God help us all, because those types of people will
> soon grow up and be running the world, taking care of the sick, and
> watching MTV all day.

But they are watching MTV already. Now they have a 90minute video clip of a
Shakespeare play. Who knows, maybe there are people looking beyond Leo to
wonder why they like this film, and maybe after reading R&J they move on to
reading Midsummer Night's Dream or Much Ado or whatever.

It's like Disney films. No intelligent human being would watch something as
stereotypical, cheesy and pretentious (other than for getting those emotions
which from time to time I guess is ok), but small children love them. And they
don't harm them (well we could argue about that but that's a different story).

So let 'em watch it and gain something from it. I thought it presented an
interesting twist on the play and can't say I was disgusted at all. But I also
know that a real appreciation of Shakespeare can't be achieved through only
watching the film.

thomas


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)

One mistake- the quote from Pump Up the Volume- sometimes being a teenager
is worse than being dead- is said by Christian Slater.

kg


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  [MV] Famous Lines

I agree about the Jerry Maguire quote- "that's not a dress. That's an
Audrey Hepburn movie." Tom Cruise said that when the female lead came out
for their date.


On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Gregory A. Swarthout wrote:

> > 63. "This is yet another example of the late neoclassical baroque
> > period. And as I always say, if it's not baroque, don't fix it!"    -->
> > Beauty and the Beast, Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)
>
> It was Cogsworth (David Ogden Stiers) who said this.
>
> > 99. "That's more than a dress. That's an Audrey Hepburn movie."
>
> I'm 100% positive this is Tom Cruise as the title character in "Jerry Maguire".
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:47:49 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

At 08:19 AM 7/8/98 cet, you wrote:
>But they are watching MTV already. Now they have a 90minute video clip of a
>Shakespeare play. Who knows, maybe there are people looking beyond Leo to
>wonder why they like this film, and maybe after reading R&J they move on to
>reading Midsummer Night's Dream or Much Ado or whatever.
>
>It's like Disney films. No intelligent human being would watch something as
>stereotypical, cheesy and pretentious (other than for getting those emotions
>which from time to time I guess is ok), but small children love them. And
they
>don't harm them (well we could argue about that but that's a different
story).

Very good points.  And sadly they ARE watching MTV every day.  It's a shame
that most in Hollywood think the only way to reach younger audiences is
through movies like that.

I agree with you about Disney though.  The only Disney film I've ever
bought (not including their Touchstone Division or other film arms) is Toy
Story.  Which I bought as a LD fan for the added features and incredible
computer animation.  About not harming kids?  Yeah, let's not open THAT can
of worms.

Cheers,
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:51:36 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

At 02.43 PM 07/07/98 -0400, Ryan Allen wrote:
>    A classic story, like R&J, needs to offer characters that audiences can
>either identify with or want to be like.  I felt that R&J accomplished
>neither.  Teaching kids that Shakespeare was "a cool dude" through this is
>insulting.  Besides the name, and plot (boy and girl in love but can't be
>together), this version has nothing to do with Shakespeare.

People used to say the same thing about West Side Story.

The point is that if this film causes someone to pick up Shakespeare, and
appreciate it, then it has done more than we could have hoped.

There are numerous "modern remakes" that cause people to become fans of the
classics.  Right now, I am drawing blanks on Shakespeare works, although I
know that there are a vast number of them.  (Elizabeth Taylor was in a few
of these, if I recall correctly).  Any input??

Dickens is another one.  A Christmas Carol has been made so many times, and
in so many fora.  Anyone recall Oliver!??  Oliver Twist as a musical.

Anything that opens someone's mind is a wonderful use of media.  At the
very least, isn't it better than another Speed 2, or an infomercial?


>>And this film has probably done more good for
>>appreciating (or learning that there was a dude called) Shakespeare than
all
>>English teachers put together.
>
>    If this is true, then God help us all, because those types of people will
>soon grow up and be running the world, taking care of the sick, and
>watching MTV all day.

Gee, Ryan, I reckon your own mother probably said something similar:-)

I won't try to guess your age, or imply that you are old, but people said
the same thing about the Beatles (which are now a staple of Musak - Kill me
now:-) and before that, Frank Sinatra.

I'm sure that 16th century parents thought that Mozart and Beethoven were
the "long-haired hippies" of their days, and looked on in disdain when
their children went to concert.

And remember that Shakespeare was written for the "unwashed masses".  The
plays were considered crude, with rough language, and many sexual
references.  I have heard Shakespeare's plays called the NYPD Blue or the
Beavis and Butt-head of their days.  I am sure that we could even compare
them to South Park.

Woe, Ceasar is no more.  Tis fatherless cretins that done this sordid deed.

(PLEASE don't tell me that I need to translate this:-)

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:08:15 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

At 03:51 PM 7/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Gee, Ryan, I reckon your own mother probably said something similar:-)
>I won't try to guess your age, or imply that you are old, but people said
>the same thing about the Beatles (which are now a staple of Musak - Kill me
>now:-) and before that, Frank Sinatra.

Age?  Well, I'm 23.  So no need to guess.  And no she didn't say anything
like that. =)  I'm just disappointed to see some of my generation and the
one behind me find more interest in movies and 3-sec tv cut shots than a
good book.  That's all.

>I'm sure that 16th century parents thought that Mozart and Beethoven were
>the "long-haired hippies" of their days, and looked on in disdain when
>their children went to concert.

Yeah, it's the old ban rock and roll theory with Elvis, etc.  I'm not
opposed to it AT ALL.  My point was simply that at some time, it's better
to balance TV and movies, with books, or outdoor activities, or something.
And I simply feel that R&J didn't intrigue kids to go read Shakespeare.  I
thought Hamlet (w/Mel Gibson) was a better re-creation and rendition that
might have interested the younger generation than the latest R&J.

>references.  I have heard Shakespeare's plays called the NYPD Blue or the
>Beavis and Butt-head of their days.  I am sure that we could even compare
>them to South Park.

Whoa!  I'd have to argue that!  NYPD Blue was and still is ground-breaking,
and South Park is extremely hilarious. Bevis and Buttlick - however IMHO -
are terrible.

>Woe, Ceasar is no more.  Tis fatherless cretins that done this sordid deed.
>
>(PLEASE don't tell me that I need to translate this:-)

Who's Ceasar? (just kidding!)

Cheers,
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:30:27 -0500
From: "Tonya " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

I thought your email was very accurate and not opinionated, greul.  Thanks
for not being one-sided.

- -Tonya

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:34:16 -0500
From: "Tonya " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News Blurb - 07/07/98

<<<Is that the same girl who used to be in "Who's the Boss" with Tony
Danza? If so it's nice to see her make a comeback
Garrett>>>

Yes, that is the same girl who played in "Who's the Boss".  I wouldn't
really call this cartoon a comeback. She has done a few movies since her
'..Boss.." days. She played a co-star in the movie "Fear" with Reese
Witherspoon and Mark Wahlberg. She played the lead in "The Amy Fisher
Story".  I know she has done some other movies, but I can't think of them
right off-hand.


- -Tonya

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:42:37 -0500
From: "Tonya " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon review

> I for one thought this was one of the greatest movies I have ever seen.
It has
> everything in  it--suspense, comedy, action-- you name it it has it.
>
> RR


Please don't forget that it had romance.   I also agree that it is a really
wonderful movie.  I also would like to add that it is the best movie I have
seen all summer so far.  For those who haven't seen this movie, I
completely recommend it. However if you are sensitive and tend to cry at
movies, then this one will definitely be a tear-jerker for ya!

- -Tonya

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:04:56 -0500
From: "Tonya " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

Ryan Allen wrote:

<<    A classic story, like R&J, needs to offer characters that audiences can
> either identify with or want to be like.  I felt that R&J accomplished
> neither. >>


In my opinion, this movie did that.  I think there are many people that can
identify with or want to be like both the leads in this movie.  I mean who
wouldn't want to fall so desperately in love with someone who completely
feels the exact same way about them.  I, for one, would love to have this.
On a more broad perspective, any way you tell Romeo and Juliet, you get
that same 'love plot', so how can you say that R & J didn't accomplish
that, because that's what the story is all about.



<<    If this is true, then God help us all, because those types of people
will
> soon grow up and be running the world, taking care of the sick, and
> watching MTV all day.>>>

I take offense to this, because I think that you are referring to people
like me who like movies like R & J.  First of all I don't think that you
can judge that just by a movie that a person likes. Why would you say
something like "god help us all", I think that is a little harsh.What makes
a person, like yourself, so great  just because you may not watch MTV or
any movies that have good music, actors, and guns. I am sure that you must
like a few movies that have all of these things. So, you shouldn't say that
because of one movie like R & J or any other MTV-ish movie, because most
movies have all of those things.

 I don't think that someone less than average would take the time to watch
Romeo and Juliet especially because of the Shakespearian language they use.
I mean, who would want to sit through 90 minutes of something they couldn't
even understand. Shakespeare isn't that easy to comprehend at first, so if
a person likes and understands R & J, then it proves that they didn't just
watch it because of the MTV-ish setting, guns, and effects.   It proves
that they took the time to understand Shakespeare at least a little enough
to like it.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:40:18 +0800 (HKT)
From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie quotes

I just noticed something...Jim Carrey had four quotes included in that
quiz. Just proves that he says the most memorable lines in movies. Or is
it because the maker of this quiz is a Jim Carrey fan?

Last point: no. 99 is from Jerry Maguire said by Tom Cruise to Renee
Zellwegger (a complement on her black gown).

Jayson
- -----------------
I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home


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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:02:00 +0800
From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Famous Lines

Gregory A. Swarthout wrote:
>
> > 63. "This is yet another example of the late neoclassical baroque
> > period. And as I always say, if it's not baroque, don't fix it!"
> -->
> > Beauty and the Beast, Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)
>
> It was Cogsworth (David Ogden Stiers) who said this.
>

I stand corrected with this. I looked it up again.

Thanks,
Blacknight

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:31:53 cet
From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Romeo and Juliet

> There are numerous "modern remakes" that cause people to become fans of the
> classics.  Right now, I am drawing blanks on Shakespeare works, although I
> know that there are a vast number of them.  (Elizabeth Taylor was in a few
> of these, if I recall correctly).  Any input??

She did Taming of the Shrew with Richard Burton
I'm not sure whether her Cleopatra was based on Shakespeare's Antony and
Cleopatra - but Burton was in it as well.
She was in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf  with Burton - not Shakespeare but
Edward Albee. And since someone mentioned American drama, Cat on a Hot
Tin Roof with Paul Newman by Tennessee Williams.

thomas


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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:23:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Just Different." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News Blurb - 07/07/98

she was in a tv series for awhile recently, after who's the bos and i
think in a movie maybe. she's around is all i know.
Syl.

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On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Garrett Winters wrote:

> The Reporter writes
> >Alyssa Milano is playing the voice of Angel in the sequel to =ECLady and
> >the Tramp,=EE an animated feature for Disney.
>=20
> Is that the same girl who used to be in "Who's the Boss" with Tony Danza?=
 If so it's nice to see her make a comeback
> Garrett
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:32:02 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Armageddon review

A tear-jerker?  They haven't released this version of the film in America yet.

Greg

On Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:43 PM, Tonya  [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
>
> this one will definitely be a tear-jerker for ya!
>
> -Tonya
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:48:48 -0500
From: "Tonya =)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon review

> A tear-jerker?  They haven't released this version of the film in America
yet.
>
> Greg


I beg to differ with your little joke.  The ending was very sad.

- -Tonya

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:11:19 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: RE: [MV] Armageddon review

At 04:32 PM 7/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>A tear-jerker?  They haven't released this version of the film in America
yet.

Greg,
    Yes!  :)  IMHO, the closest disaster movie tear-jearker of the summer so
far has been Deep Impact.  Although the time the film is on Earth slows it
a little, I felt the final performances of Robert Duvall and company in
space to be superior and more emotional.  Michael Bay is an incredible
director with (Bad Boys) or without (Armageddon) a good script.  My $.02
worth.

Ryan
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:58:23 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Armageddon review -Reply

I have to say that I believe that Michael Bay is the future of the
worst in filmmaking.   Armageddon did not have a drop of real emotion
but was one long audience manipulation (and bad at that).  I have
never seen an ending such as this (without giving anything away) that
managed to completely leave me so unaffected.  The best example of how
awful this movie was is that it is being compared to ID4, Godzilla and
Deep Impact.  These movies are nothing more than earlier examples of
concept over story.  If that's what floats your boat, then enjoy but
I think  it is a shame that the audience is accepting what I believe
is flash over substance.

This isn't to say that I don't like action movies.  I think most
people on this list know that I do.  I just don't like bad action
films just as I don't like bad dramas or comedies etc.  And I am not
willing to accept big f/x as an excuse for a movie.   As much as I
enjoy the advances of computer f/x I think they have allowed hack
filmmakers to dazzle people with bs.  Believe me, Michael Bay was not
sitting at the computer terminal creating all of those cool asteroid
collisions.

This movie is no better (and probably worse) than the cheezy sci/fi
flicks of the late fifties in which you could see the zipper in the
monster costume.  Just because they got better ways to hide the
zipper doesn't make it a good movie.

Of course that's just my opinion.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:21:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 07/10/98

Ending months of breathless speculation, Leonardo DiCaprio
has settled upon his next starring vehicle. Variety says it
is to be "The Beach," based on the novel by Alex Garland.
The teen heartthrob will play a rootless traveler who is
given a hand-drawn map to paradise by a madman. Leo's very
next screen appearance, however, will be in the movie
"Celebrity," by Woody Allen, which is already in the can, as
they say.

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Cameron Diaz -- hot, hot, hot in the new gross-out comedy
"There's Something About Mary" (opening Wednesday) -- has
joined the cast of the dark-humored "Being John Malkovich."
The story involves a puppeteer -- played by John Cusack --
who finds a porthole that leads to John Malkovich's brain.
Diaz will play Cusack's wife.

                    -=> * <=-

In other casting news: Winona Ryder is set to star in
"Lost Souls," a psychological thriller in which she'll star
as a seminary teacher who uncovers a satanic plot to enable
the Devil to walk the Earth.

                    -=> * <=-

Billy Bob Thornton wants to make a movie with his
girlfriend, Laura Dern, before he starts directing Matt
Damon in "All the Pretty Horses." The Hollywood Reporter
says the "Sling Blade" Oscar-winner has written a screenplay
he would like to direct and act in with Dern -- maybe as
soon as next month. But Thornton would have to hurry. He's
booked to start filming with Damon in February.

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