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movies-digest          Thursday, June 4 1998          Volume 02 : Number 028



[MV] Love & Death on Long Island
Re: [MV] Copland, etc
[MV] wizard of oz
[MV] Urban Legend alert
Re: [MV] wizard of oz
[MV] New List
Re: [MV] Bullworth
[MV] Graduation help
[MV] Sci-Fi Movie News - 06/03/98
[MV] Drew Barrymore is Cinderella!!!
[MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ?
Re: [MV] Foreign Flicks
[MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ? -Reply
Re: [MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ? -Reply
Re: [MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ? -Reply

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:28:54 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Love & Death on Long Island

I was totally engrossed in this movie that was very well cast and acted.  It=
 stars John Hurt and, of all people, Jason Priestley.  Which is weird=
 because one would immediately assume this to be a fluffy movie but he is so=
 perfectly cast as an actor who is featured in teen magazines and is a heart=
 throb.  John Hurt is amazingly convincing as an old British "fogey" who=
 becomes intrigued by Priestley's character.  I cannot say too much more -=
 not because there are plot twists after plot twist in it - but needless to=
 say that if I were to tell you the basic gist of the story - you might not=
 go and see it.  In a pitch - this movie doesn't work - how it does work is=
 in its subtle and curious tension that builds between these very realistic=
 characters.  Not your regular slam-bam summer fare you may be looking for -=
 but if you're brain is dried up from too much Badzilla then try this one on=
 for size - because size doesn't matter (oh that one hurt - John Hurt - this=
 is getting bad)  I give it an 85%.

Wanna see a movie?  Get all the facts on all the FLIX...

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Date: 02 Jun 98 09:18:26 +0100
From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Copland, etc

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Date: 29 May 98 17:01:26
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> money.  One only has to watch the first Rocky to see how good he
> really can be.  And its hard to believe the Stallone of today could
> write such a beautiful script as Rocky.

I think his talents are in playing himself. Whenever he tries to act
something a bit further from these martial roles he hasn't convinced
me.

> Speaking of Wizard of Oz, has anybody heard that you can play the
> Pink Floyd album "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching Wizard and it
> all fits together?  I've never done it but have friends that swear by
> it.

Well, yea, it's a classic urban legend, the other one is that you can
see a man hanging himself in the background of the actual film - but
that UL has been proven untrue.


> Finally, (I'm trying to do my part and keep my number of posts to a
> minimum but they seem to be quite long.)  I thought Drug Store Cowboy
> was fantastic. Matt Dillon is a very good actor that has not made
> acting choices based on boxoffice but has instead chosen more
> challenging roles.  He's not the big star he probably could have been
> but I respect him for that.

I can remember him being hyped as the new James Dean back in the good
ole days. I don't know whether he chose not to follow that path or
whether his career has run dry - probably the latter - although he
used to be in a couple of very good films.


> Could everybody indicate where they are writing from?  We did that
> before but I think the group has changed quite a bit since then.

Ok.

I am writing from home.

Always glad to help.

thomas


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: grasshopper <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] wizard of oz

Actually, you CAN see someone hanging in the Wizard of Oz. When Dorthy,
etc are going down the yellow brick road, there is a place where the
scarecrow stumbles slightly. He stumbled because he saw one of the crew
members accidently hang himself on the set. They didn't have the money to
refilm that scene, and you can only see the man hanging on video with a
fairly large TV. During my freshman year of college, my whole hall watched
the Wizard of Oz just to see that scene...

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:10:41 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Urban Legend alert

On Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:50 PM, grasshopper [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
>
> Actually, you CAN see someone hanging in the Wizard of Oz. When Dorthy,
> etc are going down the yellow brick road, there is a place where the
> scarecrow stumbles slightly. He stumbled because he saw one of the crew
> members accidently hang himself on the set. They didn't have the money to
> refilm that scene, and you can only see the man hanging on video with a
> fairly large TV. During my freshman year of college, my whole hall watched
> the Wizard of Oz just to see that scene...

The following is from the Urban Legends Reference Pages (www.snopes.com)

     Claim:   A lovelorn actor portraying one of the munchkins hanged
     himself on the set during the filming of The Wizard of Oz, and his
     death was captured on-camera and used in the final print.

     Status:   False.

     Synopsis:   The so-called "munchkin suicide" scene occurs at the very end
     of the Tin Woodsman sequence, as Dorothy, the Scarecrow, and the Tin
     Woodsman head down the road on their way to the Emerald City.  This
     sequence begins with Dorothy and the Scarecrow trying to pick fruit from
     the talking apple trees, encompasses their discovery of the rusted tin man
     and their encounter with the Wicked Witch of the West (who tries to set the
     Scarecrow on fire), and ends with the trio heading off to Oz in search of the
     Wizard.  To give the indoor set used in this sequence a more "outdoors" feel,
     several birds of various sizes were borrowed from the Los Angeles Zoo and
     allowed to roam the set.  (A peacock, for example, can be seen wandering
     around just outside the Tin Woodsman's shack while Dorothy and the
     Scarecrow attempt to revive him with oil.) At the very end of this sequence,
     as the three main characters move down the road and away from the
     camera, one of the larger birds (often said to be an emu, but more probably
     a crane) standing at the back of the set moves around and spreads its wings.
     No munchkin, no hanging -- just a big bird.

     Origins:  The unusual movement in the background of the scene described above
     was noticed years ago, and it was often attributed to a stagehand's
     accidentally being caught on the set after the cameras started rolling (or,
     more spectacularly, a stagehand's falling out of a prop tree into the scene).
     With the advent of home video, viewing audiences were able to rewind and
     replay the scene in question, view it in slow-motion, and look at individual
     frames in the sequence (all on screens smaller and less distinct than those of
     theaters), and imaginations ran wild.  The change in focus of the rumor from a
     hapless stagehand to a suicidal munchkin (driven to despair over his
     unrequited love for a female munchkin) seems to have coincided with the heavy
     promotion and special video re-release of The Wizard of Oz in celebration of
     its 50th anniversary in 1989:  someone made up the story of a diminutive actor
     who, suffering the pangs of unrequited love for a female "little person,"
     decided to end it all right there on the set, and soon everyone was eager to
     share this special little film "secret" with others.  Since (grossly
     exaggerated) tales of munchkin lechery and drunken misbehavior on the "Oz" set
     had been circulating for years (primarily spread by Judy Garland herself in
     television talk show appearances), the wild suicide story had some seeming
     background plausibility to it.  (Other versions of the rumor combined
     elements from both explanations, such as the claim that the strange figure
     was actually a stagehand hanging himself.)

     The logistics of this alleged hanging defy all credulity.  First of all, the
     forest scenes in The Wizard of Oz were filmed before the Munchkinland scenes,
     and thus none of the munchkin actors would have been present.  And whether
     one believes that the figure on the film is a munchkin or a stagehand, it is
     simply impossible that a human being could have fallen onto a set actively
     being used for filming, and yet none of the dozens of people present --
     actors, directors, cameramen, sound technicians, light operators -- failed
     to notice or react to the occurrence.  (The tragic incident would also had
     to have been overlooked by all the directors, editors, film cutters,
     musicians, and others who worked on the film in post-production as well.)
     That anyone could believe a scene featuring a real suicide would have been
     left intact in a classic film for over fifty years is simply incredible.

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:44:04 cet
From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] wizard of oz

>
> Actually, you CAN see someone hanging in the Wizard of Oz. When Dorthy,
> etc are going down the yellow brick road, there is a place where the
> scarecrow stumbles slightly. He stumbled because he saw one of the crew
> members accidently hang himself on the set. They didn't have the money to
> refilm that scene, and you can only see the man hanging on video with a
> fairly large TV. During my freshman year of college, my whole hall watched
> the Wizard of Oz just to see that scene...

Yeah, that is the one I was talking about. According to the
enlightening sources at http://www.urbanlegends.com it is not true.
But I am only passing on what I read.

thomas


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:13:56 -0300
From: "Phoenix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] New List

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:51:42 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bullworth

I was at the online chat that Warren Beatty had on AOL about 15 minutes ago.
Unfortunately, he did not have a lot to say. For example, when he was asked
what type of music he likes to listen to, he said he likes all types of good
music. And who said he isn't a politician? He sure sounded like one. Bullworth
sounds a lot more entertaining than the chat was.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:08:47 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Graduation help

I am passing on the following to the list.  Can anyone help her?
(Other than to point out the correct spelling of independent,
the fact that "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" is a horrid film,
or by pointing her to the Internet Movie Database at
http://www.imdb.com/)

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I am a film student at Columbia College Chicago trying
desperately to graduate in four days. I am writing a
paper on an independant film (any independant film, but
preferably Even Cowgirls Get the Blues). I need production,
distribution and marketing information on that or any
other film that might be easier to research. If you are aware
of any such resources and have time to mail me, I would really
appreciate it. Feel free to send this message around, but
please ask people responding to include independant film under
the subject heading. I tried to send this to the list members,
but I can't quite find my way around yet.
Thank you very much,
Katherine Hunnicutt
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:42:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Sci-Fi Movie News - 06/03/98

Sony's summer blockbuster movie Godzilla roared into theaters with a
seven-day opening take of about $74 million, in the process becoming
the third-highest-grossing Memorial Day movie of all time, according to
Variety. Godzilla brought in $55.5 million in ticket sales over the four-day
holiday weekend, falling short of the $90.2 million earned by The Lost
World: Jurassic Park over Memorial Day weekend in 1997 and the
$56.8 million Mission Impossible earned in 1996. [sic]

Although $74 million is an impressive number for any movie, it was far
below Sony's expectation of $100 million or more in ticket sales for the
monster flick's first week in theaters, and the movie industry is
wondering if Godzilla will ultimately turn out to be a flop. With production
and marketing costs estimated at about $200 million, Godzilla has a long
way to go before it will earn its keep.

                                            -=> * <=-

Elektra Records will be releasing two soundtracks to the upcoming
X-Files feature film, one a non-vocal score by longtime Files music
composer Mark Snow and the other an anthology of commissioned
songs largely selected by Files creator Chris Carter. The anthology
album will feature original tracks by bands such as the Foo Fighters,
Better than Ezra, the Cure, Bjork, Filter, Tonic and Ween, as well as
cover songs by a variety of groups including X and Aswad & Sting.

The anthology will also feature a hidden track that will offer some tidbits
about the X-Files film. Rumor says the track is available 10 minutes and
13 seconds after the final song, and not coincidentally Carter's
production company is called Ten Thirteen Productions. Both
soundtracks will be available in stores starting June 2, preceding the
movie, which debuts June 19.

                                            -=> * <=-

The SF/disaster flick Deep Impact proved it wasn't a one-week wonder
at the box office by earning a respectable $23.3 million during its
second weekend in theaters, bringing its 10-day total up to $74 million
Variety predicted the film would gross $120 million domestically, which
would give co-producers Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks SKG
the first certifiable hit of the summer movie season.

Deep Impact continued to make an impression on moviegoers despite
mediocre reviews from critics, which bodes well for the film's eventual
release on video and TV. At a cost of about $80 million, that means
Deep Impact will likely continue to fill the deep pockets of its financiers
for months to come.

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Buena Vista wowed a packed audience at the Cannes Film Festival
with about 50 minutes of footage from its upcoming SF flick
Armageddon, according to Variety. The clips were reportedly laden with
special effects from the $125 million production, which stars Bruce Willis
as an oil driller who's tapped by NASA to blow up an incoming meteor
that's about to pummel Earth.

Armageddon director Michael Bay was on hand for the screening and
dismissed similarities between his film and the current box-office champ
Deep Impact, which is about an incoming comet that's about to pummel
Earth. Variety quoted Bay as saying, "At theaters in America, the thing I
keep hearing is 'I can't wait to see Armageddon.'"

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Beverly Hills Ninja director Dennis Dugan has agreed to helm
Paramount's upcoming SF comedy flick Clockstoppers, according to
Variety. The film focuses on a scientist who creates a device that can
make people move 25 times faster than those around them.

When his son and another youngster are accidentally sped up by the
device, the scientist must find a way to return them to normal. Dugan's
other projects have included Brain Donors and Happy Gilmore, as well
as stints behind the camera for TV shows such as NYPD Blue, Picket
Fences and Chicago Hope.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:36 -0400
From: GARY ZEIG <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Drew Barrymore is Cinderella!!!

Personally, all this talk of the Wizard of Oz reminded me that Hollywood
seemingly is out of new ideas.
That's the real reason we see so many sequels, remakes, and similar
storylines. That said, One remake
I am looking forward to is the new Cinderella. I think Drew Barrymore is
such a natural for this role.
She was born to play it. I might even argue ONLY she should play it.
I don't know if it will be a hit movie or not, but I think it's one of the
few movies made primarily for kids that I would pay to see.
One thing to remember about Godzilla- Even if it makes "only" 200 million
in theatres, it still will make its fair share in Video sales and rentals,
Pay per view, and overseas. I think in the end it will do better than break
even. But it's certainly not a monster smash like Titanic. I don't think
Godzilla has to worry about being replaced by the Budweiser Lizards anytime
soon.

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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:34:38 +0900
From: Masako Seko <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ?

I was told,"DEEP IMPACT is not so good choise"... OK
but I still want to watch that movie, so I'll go to the cinema without expecting
so much.
I'd like you to recommend some good movies, I like comedy or some moving storys.

                                                                          Masako

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:21:08 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Foreign Flicks

I loved both Delicatessen and City of the Lost Children - amazing movies
that everyone with an imagination should see.  But please, please do not
get the dubbed version!!  It is painful - as are all dubbed versions of
anything.

jay
>One film (from France) which really blew me away was "The City of Lost
>Children" (aka 'La Ville des Enfants Perdues')  It's set in a very Kafkaesque
>Post Apocolyptic City and the direction is a lot like that of Terry Gilliam
>(Brazil & 12 Monkeys).  It's about a mad scientist who is unable to dream and
>so kidnaps children from the city and steals their dreams with the help of
his
>clone henchman.  It's an amazing spectacle and a fantastical sci-fi tale.
>
>It was produced and directed by the makers of "Delicatessen" which is another
>gem, although it's about cannibalism in a small French village which has no
>other source of food nor nutrition.
>
>City of Lost Children is available with subtitles, and also with a
suprisingly
>good dubbed version as well!
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:25:46 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ? -Reply

Gee Masako, I wish I knew what was playing over there so I could give
a suggestion.  The Truman Show is probably going to be in Japan very
soon.  It is being called the most touching film in quite a while.

We have been berating Hollywood for quite a while for recycling
storylines.  While I problably complain as much as anybody the bottom
line is how well the story is told.  NObody complains about Edward
Scissorhands or Star Wars or any of the other well made movies that
retell a familiar story.  I don't think the problem is recycling
stories but instead recycling stories badly.  How many Hamlets have
we had in the past 5 years?  And now I hear there is another one
coming.

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Date: 04 Jun 98 16:35:06 +0100
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I have to disagree with that.I feel that Deep Impact is a very good film as
for once we had a S/F flick that had brilliant special effects that
concentrated more on the plot and emotion of the film.Has anyone seen the
General yet?It is a film about The gangster in Dublin Ireland called Martin
Cahill, a.k.a. The General. Powerful performance by Brendan Gleeson and John=

Voigt also has a cracker of a film as Inspector Ned Kenny! Any comments?
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Gee Masako, I wish I knew what was playing over there so I could give
a suggestion.  The Truman Show is probably going to be in Japan very
soon.  It is being called the most touching film in quite a while.

We have been berating Hollywood for quite a while for recycling
storylines.  While I problably complain as much as anybody the bottom
line is how well the story is told.  NObody complains about Edward
Scissorhands or Star Wars or any of the other well made movies that
retell a familiar story.  I don't think the problem is recycling
stories but instead recycling stories badly.  How many Hamlets have
we had in the past 5 years?  And now I hear there is another one
coming.

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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:23:44 cet
From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] DEEP IMPACT is not so good movie ? -Reply

> We have been berating Hollywood for quite a while for recycling
> storylines.  While I problably complain as much as anybody the bottom
> line is how well the story is told.  NObody complains about Edward
> Scissorhands or Star Wars or any of the other well made movies that
> retell a familiar story.  I don't think the problem is recycling
> stories but instead recycling stories badly.  How many Hamlets have
> we had in the past 5 years?  And now I hear there is another one
> coming.

There is another Hamlet? Seems like the book shops near the
production offices don't stock any other Shakespeare plays. There are
a number of great plays that haven't been dealt with lately, but I
guess actors want to hold a skull and act like mad.

I think it *is* about the large amount of remakes and about making
similar films. There are two meteor films now? 2 about volcanos
recently? 3 about giant Lizards? I am kinda missing plot films
lately. I have neither seen the predecessor of SW nor Edward, but I
presume they are rather adaptions than remakes which would be ok by
me. But if you make a remake it should be better or present a new
view, something that Godzilla presumably doesn't do. Another thing is
that Tim Burton and George Lucas are good directors, while the most
recent remakes are often more based on getting cash rather than
making a decent film. Neither Lucas nor Burton had big money in mind
and that's probably why they got it. Both were quite courageous
making those films, which seems to me to be the difference between
them and the most recent films.


thomas


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