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mobility-digest Monday, January 22 2001 Volume 04 : Number 507
Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
RE: (mobility)DEE JAY
Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
...what a DJ?
- --- Martin James <martin@martinjames.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> The question is:
>
> Should DJ's be considered musicians?
>
>
> Contemporary dance culture is generally considered
> to have started around
> 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past its
> sell by date now?
>
> The problem I have with thi question is that it
> seems to imply that one is
> in some way superior to the other. I know great
> musicians who can't DJ,
> great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had some of
> the best nights in my
> life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. Similarly
> I've been to gigs which
> have literally changed life. To me the two are
> synonymous with each other.
> Different skills. Equally worthy.
>
> So tell me... should someone who can't play a note
> but understands how to
> sample someone else's records be called a musician
> or a DJ? Or does it
> really matter anymore.
>
> Here's another question: would Moby's music sound
> the way it does if he had
> never been a DJ?
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:30:44 -0500
From: Tim Ellorin <TEllorin@mediabrains.com>
Subject: RE: (mobility)DEE JAY
> ...I agree that it is boring when someone covers a
> song and it sounds virtually the same, but it is not
> theft. They (usually) have permission to cover it and
> can do whatever they want with it. This is not theft,
> just lack of creativity.
> =)
True. If I were a musician and someone wanted permission to cover my song I
would want a stipulation made to say that they would have to make it
noticeably different than the original. But, I know sometimes the artist
has no say what the record company does with the rights to their music. I
also would not like my song to be turned into Muzak. I think that is one of
the worst things that can happen to someone's song. Aside from having
Roseanne sing it.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:34:08 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
artform...musician
artform...musician
- --- Chris Adams <cad3k@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> what about mixing. you cant' do it dude. anyone
> can put a needle on a
> record, but who is there to search the friggin
> planet for that one records
> that will mix for 2 min. with the other record, but
> only if you cut the
> snare at the right time and drop the bassline just a
> little delayed to the
> mids.. Come on guys, when you can do it, then nock
> it. It's as much an
> artform as anything. What about skydiving, artform?
> Anyone can fall out of
> a plain, like anyone can play a record. But who can
> soar throught he
> atmosphere and feel the breath of God with more
> intesity than a truly
> skilled skydiver. Maybe only a DJ....
>
> >From: "Tyler Holt" <intotheblue_@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
> >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
> >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:51:21 -0700
> >
> >i agree. i don't think that spinning records
> qualifies someone as a
> >musician.
> >
> >peace
> >tyler
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:46:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <stale8975@excite.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey".
Eric The Red
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST), mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
> ...what a DJ?
>
> --- Martin James <martin@martinjames.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > The question is:
> >
> > Should DJ's be considered musicians?
> >
> >
> > Contemporary dance culture is generally considered
> > to have started around
> > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past its
> > sell by date now?
> >
> > The problem I have with thi question is that it
> > seems to imply that one is
> > in some way superior to the other. I know great
> > musicians who can't DJ,
> > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had some of
> > the best nights in my
> > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. Similarly
> > I've been to gigs which
> > have literally changed life. To me the two are
> > synonymous with each other.
> > Different skills. Equally worthy.
> >
> > So tell me... should someone who can't play a note
> > but understands how to
> > sample someone else's records be called a musician
> > or a DJ? Or does it
> > really matter anymore.
> >
> > Here's another question: would Moby's music sound
> > the way it does if he had
> > never been a DJ?
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:47:39 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
...have any of you heard of an artist that goes by
"Gyrate" (Kimball Collins)??
- --- Chris Adams <cad3k@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >Hey YO...take away a guitarists guitar and there is
> not much he can do with
> >his bare hands, right.?
> Djing, is easy, in theory. Are some dj's better
> than others, hence a
> higher skill level. ??
>
> Bye, chris a
>
>
>
> >Hey all-
> > Very interesting question- I know I will be
> attacked. So be it.
> >
> >I would most certainly not classify a DJ as a
> musician. Take away the
> >records and there isn't a whole lot they can do
> with their coffins alone.
> >On the other hand, say they run an 808, 303, 606,
> etc... then there is some
> >chance for a truly original song or beat to be
> born. But that's as close as
> >it gets.
> >
> >As I was raised to play classical music on several
> intsruments, I was lucky
> >enough to learn "how to drop the one and twos" in
> college from a friend of
> >mine. DJing tickles a different part of your brain
> than playing the piano,
> >guitar, sax, etc. I would also venture to say that
> it is picked up alot
> >more easily, due to being devoid of theory.
> >
> djs please don't
> >hate me
> >
>
> > josef
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:51:37 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
...it was sarcasm....
- --- Eric <stale8975@excite.com> wrote:
>
> DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey".
>
> Eric The Red
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST),
> mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
>
> > ...what a DJ?
> >
> > --- Martin James <martin@martinjames.demon.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > The question is:
> > >
> > > Should DJ's be considered musicians?
> > >
> > >
> > > Contemporary dance culture is generally
> considered
> > > to have started around
> > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past
> its
> > > sell by date now?
> > >
> > > The problem I have with thi question is that it
> > > seems to imply that one is
> > > in some way superior to the other. I know great
> > > musicians who can't DJ,
> > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had
> some of
> > > the best nights in my
> > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ.
> Similarly
> > > I've been to gigs which
> > > have literally changed life. To me the two are
> > > synonymous with each other.
> > > Different skills. Equally worthy.
> > >
> > > So tell me... should someone who can't play a
> note
> > > but understands how to
> > > sample someone else's records be called a
> musician
> > > or a DJ? Or does it
> > > really matter anymore.
> > >
> > > Here's another question: would Moby's music
> sound
> > > the way it does if he had
> > > never been a DJ?
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:44:36 -0500
From: Tim Ellorin <TEllorin@mediabrains.com>
Subject: RE: (mobility) OT kinda debate
> ...have any of you heard of an artist that goes by
> "Gyrate" (Kimball Collins)??
>
Kimball Collins is from Orlando. I have heard him spin a few times at
different clubs in Orlando. Although as of now I think Dave London is one
of the best Dj's to come out of Orlando.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:57:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <stale8975@excite.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
So was mine...
Eric The Red
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:51:37 -0800 (PST), mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
> ...it was sarcasm....
>
> --- Eric <stale8975@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> > DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey".
> >
> > Eric The Red
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST),
> > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
> >
> > > ...what a DJ?
> > >
> > > --- Martin James <martin@martinjames.demon.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > > > The question is:
> > > >
> > > > Should DJ's be considered musicians?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally
> > considered
> > > > to have started around
> > > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past
> > its
> > > > sell by date now?
> > > >
> > > > The problem I have with thi question is that it
> > > > seems to imply that one is
> > > > in some way superior to the other. I know great
> > > > musicians who can't DJ,
> > > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had
> > some of
> > > > the best nights in my
> > > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ.
> > Similarly
> > > > I've been to gigs which
> > > > have literally changed life. To me the two are
> > > > synonymous with each other.
> > > > Different skills. Equally worthy.
> > > >
> > > > So tell me... should someone who can't play a
> > note
> > > > but understands how to
> > > > sample someone else's records be called a
> > musician
> > > > or a DJ? Or does it
> > > > really matter anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Here's another question: would Moby's music
> > sound
> > > > the way it does if he had
> > > > never been a DJ?
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:11:20 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <matt@hollowgen.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
By now, everyone should definitely realize that you can do two things with=
Eric (i love him) the Red's e-mails:
1.) Get used to them and ignore them
OR
2.) Get used to them and find them funny
He doesn't mean any harm. And he's not serious either. He's just a=
butthead.
ta
Matt
>....it was sarcasm....
>
>--- Eric <stale8975@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey".
>>
>> Eric The Red
>>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:30:08 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate
...LOL... =)
- --- Eric <stale8975@excite.com> wrote:
>
> So was mine...
>
> Eric The Red
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:51:37 -0800 (PST),
> mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
>
> > ...it was sarcasm....
> >
> > --- Eric <stale8975@excite.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk
> Jockey".
> > >
> > > Eric The Red
> > >
> > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST),
> > > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > ...what a DJ?
> > > >
> > > > --- Martin James
> <martin@martinjames.demon.co.uk>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > The question is:
> > > > >
> > > > > Should DJ's be considered musicians?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally
> > > considered
> > > > > to have started around
> > > > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years
> past
> > > its
> > > > > sell by date now?
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem I have with thi question is
> that it
> > > > > seems to imply that one is
> > > > > in some way superior to the other. I know
> great
> > > > > musicians who can't DJ,
> > > > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've
> had
> > > some of
> > > > > the best nights in my
> > > > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ.
> > > Similarly
> > > > > I've been to gigs which
> > > > > have literally changed life. To me the two
> are
> > > > > synonymous with each other.
> > > > > Different skills. Equally worthy.
> > > > >
> > > > > So tell me... should someone who can't
> play a
> > > note
> > > > > but understands how to
> > > > > sample someone else's records be called a
> > > musician
> > > > > or a DJ? Or does it
> > > > > really matter anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's another question: would Moby's
> music
> > > sound
> > > > > the way it does if he had
> > > > > never been a DJ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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