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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #483 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Saturday, January 6 2001 Volume 04 : Number 483 Re: (mobility) Re: Grammy eminem Re: (mobility) moby the sell out? Re: (mobility) Off Topic Re: (mobility) NY center of universe Re: (mobility) think moby gives a damn about a grammy? (mobility)Moby on commercials Re: (mobility) moby the sell out? Re: (mobility) moby the sell out? Re: (mobility) first moby exp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:11:54 -0800 From: "crowes3" <crowes3@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Grammy eminem I thought you were annoyed by me in general lately (I can be quite overbearing at times)...I'm glad you're not! With all the negativity and stuff in the messages today, I'm glad I could brighten your day! Anne - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Olson" <matt@hollowgen.net> To: <mobility@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Grammy eminem LOL! Oh Anne! I love you! Which part was posted to annoy me?? Please clarify, but even if you don't none of what you said annoyed me anyway, dear! BEST WISHES! - -Matt - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:25:06 -0800 From: "Matt Olson" <matt@hollowgen.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) moby the sell out? I'm curious... how exactly did Moby do this? - -Matt > so why the hell does mark think moby's sold out? >he screwed over one of his best friends and may of thrown away a ~20 year >relationship. he's changed in bad ways, and seems to of lost some of his >personal morals. is this just a side-effect of his long touring? we can >hope so, we can hope he'll get home to his studio, compose a symphonic >album (*cough*project-rumor*cough*), re-evaluate what's become of himself, >make up with his friends, and get a grip back on reality. >but maybe he won't. (in which case i'll just have to not give him his soul >back.) - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --George W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:26:57 -0800 From: "Matt Olson" <matt@hollowgen.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Off Topic - --=====_9787516176334=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He he he... good job anne! Russell Shera: Yes, I am a licensed psychotherapist and a very good one.= I'm 43 years old and have been practicing for 11 years. I expect I have= somewhat more life experience than many on the list but am constantly= impressed with the amount of intelligence and wisdom displayed by members= of mobility. I stay on the list to learn about music and about others and= myself. I would appreciate it if you could expand on your comment, if you= are able. I figured I'd get a bit of fire for defending eminem but I have= a right, like all of you, to express my opinion. Anne (part of all the= DNA) - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --George W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ - --=====_9787516176334=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Off Topic</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV>He he he... good job anne!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Russell Shera: Yes, I am a licensed psychotherapist and a very good one. I'm 43 years old and have been practicing for 11 years. I expect I have somewhat more life experience than many on the list but am constantly impressed with the amount of intelligence and wisdom displayed by members of mobility. I stay on the list to learn about music and about others and myself. I would appreciate it if you could expand on your comment, if you are able. I figured I'd get a bit of fire for defending eminem but I have a right, like all of you, to express my opinion. Anne (part of all the DNA)</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> <PRE> - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --George W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------</PRE> - --=====_9787516176334=_-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:23:30 -0800 From: "crowes3" <crowes3@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) NY center of universe I was born and lived in NY most of my life but live in Chicago now. I would love to hang out with Moby, he's so smart! I wonder if people flock around Moby's place like they did Madonna's when she had an apartment in Chelsea? That reminds me, does anyone know why Moby and Madonna are never mentioned together ever? They came up, the same as myself, in the same clubs and so forth. Just curious about that. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:33:39 -0800 From: "crowes3" <crowes3@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) think moby gives a damn about a grammy? DJ Pagan and Chris: Gee, you guys didn't receive any of the insults I did for my defense of eminem posted yesterday. Curious, eh? Anne - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:51:07 EST From: Arcya@aol.com Subject: (mobility)Moby on commercials I mentioned this last year, cause this discussion about selling out keeps coming up, but there are definately somethings that Moby has no knowledge about till after the fact. In a video interview he said he was watching TV at a friend's house when a commercial (from 1999) for "Dharma & Greg" (on ABC) came on with Jenna Elfman dancing to "Bodyrock". Moby didn't even know who the dancing woman was & (jokingly) wondered if he was having some weird flashback - he couldn't believe his song was on this commercial. I think that this whole discussion just shows what a hard decision it really is when you do have a strong passionate conscience, but at the same time you have the ability to decide over having access to a lot of money and you're suddenly more in the public eye than ever expected after such a badly-accepted album like "Animal Rights". And yeah, lets go back to the music...I'm gonna go crank up some "Come On Baby"...and Rob, enjoy your trip! Peru is lovely this time of year... love&red wine, malfunctiongirl - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:39:49 +1300 From: "Tiffany ." <stalefruitcake@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) moby the sell out? >> so why the hell does mark think moby's sold out? >he screwed over one of his best friends and may of thrown away a ~20 year Please explain............. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:07:12 -0600 From: Christopher Michael Bourke <cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) moby the sell out? > so why the hell does mark think moby's sold out? > he screwed over one of his best friends and may of thrown away a ~20 year > relationship. he's changed in bad ways, and seems to of lost some of his How is a personal friendship even in anyway related to "selling out"? Sometimes people just grow apart, perhaps this "friend" of his turned into an asshole. There could be a million fucking reasons why they "broke up", but none of them lead to "selling out". Look people, if you don't like Moby anymore, quit this fucking list, stop listening to his music, or just don't bring your bitching here for the rest of us to read. Better yet, next time someone else posts crap like this, please, everyone just ignore it and it will go away. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:20:11 EST From: Bijou75@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) first moby exp - --part1_b4.f921a24.27884b5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings from a mobility newcomer, Having lurked on this list for about a week now and gotten a general feel fo= r=20 things, I thought I'd take the plunge and submit my first mailing. =A0I'm=20 starting off with this thread because, although I missed out on the post tha= t=20 started it, it seems like a natural way to introduce myself. =A0My name is=20 Carrie, I'm 25, and I am a "Play"-er. ;-) I have recently begun shuffling=20 off the last vestiges of my ignorance to see the light of the One True Way=20 that is Moby (said very tongue-in-cheek, though he would make a nice monk=20 with that bald little head, wouldn't he?) I first heard of Moby around the time of Everything is Wrong; back in those=20 days I subscribed to both Rolling Stone and Spin, and EIW topped most of the= =20 critics' polls. =A0I had also seen the name "Voodoo Child" on the dance musi= c=20 charts published in Rolling Stone, but it wasn't until the "Play" era, when=20= I=20 began to receive my Moby education, that I realized they were actually the=20 same artist. =A0In the summer of '95 I took a cosmology course in summer=20 school, and one of my fellow students was a guy who was heavily into dance=20 music; he claimed his CD collection numbered in the thosuands. =A0He was alw= ays=20 touting the superiority of electronica over "anything with guitars in it"; h= e=20 was also a big proponent of Moby's, however, so if I'd been less ignorant I=20 would've pointed out the contradiction. =A0He always made it a point to cite= my=20 favorite band, R.E.M., as examples of what he considered "rock n' roll=20 shite," so just to spite him I made it a point to avoid Moby. =A0It was a go= od=20 example of cutting your nose off to spite your face, because little did I=20 know I was hurting myself far more than my wayward classmate. =A0And back th= en,=20 despite being a regular club goer, I also have to admit to being a big of a=20 guitar-rock snob. =A0Oh, the perils of being young and stupid! Also, I don't know if it was because of Moby's choice of hairstyle or what,=20 but for some reason I consistently confused him with Orb, and therefore with= =20 Orbital as well. =A0To me at the time the dance music world was the Amazonia= n=20 rainforest of genres, with so many diverse life forms it was virtually=20 impossible to keep track of them all; this is still true to a certain extent= .=20 =A0I wasn't even sure if Moby was a group or just a guy, and I didn't take t= he=20 time to find out. =A0It wasn't until over four years later I discovered, muc= h=20 to my chagrin, just what I'd been missing. So... that brings us to Play. =A0I think the first single I heard was probab= ly=20 "Bodyrock," and I honestly can't tell you if I first heard it in a commercia= l=20 or on the alternative radio station that premiered in my little hick town=20 around the same time. =A0I also heard "Natural Blues" and was intrigued by t= he=20 apparent juxtaposition of dance music with the blues. =A0But in music, as in= =20 most areas of my life, I am a hard-boiled skeptic (and a cheapskate besides)= ;=20 my rule is unless I like at least three singles from an album, I ain't buyin= '=20 it. =A0But once I heard "Porcelain," I was sold. =A0Well, not entirely.. the= =20 length of the album, with 18 tracks, along with the plethora of alternate=20 mixes, meant it'd be easier to buy the actual CD than to try my patience by=20 attempting to download the whole album via Napster. When I first popped Play into my CD player, my initial impression of it can=20 be summed up with one word: "breathtaking." =A0The mental images painted by=20= the=20 soundscapes Moby created were unlike anything I'd ever experienced. =A0For m= e=20 it's one of those rare albums that's inspired me in the truest sense of the=20 word; listening to it I've had visions of scenes or sequences previously=20 unwritten in my screenplays, or I've felt compelled to write new scenarios=20 based on the mental images the songs have conveyed. =A0And let me just say,=20= in=20 case you were wondering, all this has occurred without the use of drugs :-) But lest you count me as just another bandwagoner, since discovering Play I=20 have gone on to delve into Moby's previous recordings, and I am happy to=20 report I have not been disappointed. =A0I was delighted to find his work is=20 just as conducive to booty-shaking and bile-spewing as it is to meditation.=20 =A0I've realized the wide spectrum of emotions electronica can convey, and s= o=20 for me Moby has become a gateway artist, the marijuana of dance musicians,=20 because in discovering his work I've also been encouraged to explore a genre= =20 I'd previously neglected. =A0I am continually amazed (and somewhat intimidat= ed)=20 by the breadth and variety of artists out there... looks like I have my work= =20 cut out for me! I look forward to discovering more of Moby's music; just in the past week,=20 from reading your posts (and with the help of Napster), I've been able to=20 unearth numerous little-known gems. And after seeing MTV2's broadcast of th= e=20 concert from Edinburgh, I am kicking myself for not making the 2.5-hour=20 journey from my shel-turd little hamlet to see Moby's gig in Raleigh-Durham;= =20 the guy goes on the road for 19 months and I don't get a clue until the last= =20 show of the entire tour. Ahh well; live and learn I guess. So, if you've stuck with me this far, you have my gratitude and admiration.=20 =A0I'll close with this final plea: don't hate me because I'm a newbie! - --Carrie - --part1_b4.f921a24.27884b5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>Greetings from a mobility= newcomer, Having lurked on this list for about a week now and gotten a general fee= l for things, I thought I'd take the plunge and submit my first mailing.= =A0I'm starting off with this thread because, although I missed out on=20= the post that started it, it seems like a natural way to introduce mysel= f. =A0My name is Carrie, I'm 25, and I am a "Play"-er. ;-) I have=20= recently begun shuffling off the last vestiges of my ignorance to see th= e light of the One True Way that is Moby (said very tongue-in-cheek, tho= ugh he would make a nice monk with that bald little head, wouldn't he?) I first heard of Moby around the time of Everything is Wrong; back in th= ose days I subscribed to both Rolling Stone and Spin, and EIW topped mos= t of the critics' polls. =A0I had also seen the name "Voodoo Child" on t= he dance music charts published in Rolling Stone, but it wasn't until th= e "Play" era, when I began to receive my Moby education, that I realized= they were actually the same artist. =A0In the summer of '95 I took a co= smology course in summer school, and one of my fellow students was a guy= who was heavily into dance music; he claimed his CD collection numbered= in the thosuands. =A0He was always touting the superiority of electroni= ca over "anything with guitars in it"; he was also a big proponent of Mo= by's, however, so if I'd been less ignorant I would've pointed out the c= ontradiction. =A0He always made it a point to cite my favorite band, R.E= .M., as examples of what he considered "rock n' roll shite," so just to=20= spite him I made it a point to avoid Moby. =A0It was a good example of c= utting your nose off to spite your face, because little did I know I was= hurting myself far more than my wayward classmate. =A0And back then, de= spite being a regular club goer, I also have to admit to being a big of a <B= R>guitar-rock snob. =A0Oh, the perils of being young and stupid! Also, I don't know if it was because of Moby's choice of hairstyle or wh= at, but for some reason I consistently confused him with Orb, and theref= ore with Orbital as well. =A0To me at the time the dance music world was= the Amazonian rainforest of genres, with so many diverse life forms it=20= was virtually impossible to keep track of them all; this is still true t= o a certain extent. =A0I wasn't even sure if Moby was a group or just a=20= guy, and I didn't take the time to find out. =A0It wasn't until over fou= r years later I discovered, much to my chagrin, just what I'd been missi= ng. So... that brings us to Play. =A0I think the first single I heard was pr= obably "Bodyrock," and I honestly can't tell you if I first heard it in=20= a commercial or on the alternative radio station that premiered in my li= ttle hick town around the same time. =A0I also heard "Natural Blues" and= was intrigued by the apparent juxtaposition of dance music with the blu= es. =A0But in music, as in most areas of my life, I am a hard-boiled ske= ptic (and a cheapskate besides); my rule is unless I like at least three= singles from an album, I ain't buyin' it. =A0But once I heard "Porcelai= n," I was sold. =A0Well, not entirely.. the length of the album, with 18= tracks, along with the plethora of alternate mixes, meant it'd be easie= r to buy the actual CD than to try my patience by attempting to download= the whole album via Napster. When I first popped Play into my CD player, my initial impression of it=20= can be summed up with one word: "breathtaking." =A0The mental images pai= nted by the soundscapes Moby created were unlike anything I'd ever exper= ienced. =A0For me it's one of those rare albums that's inspired me in th= e truest sense of the word; listening to it I've had visions of scenes o= r sequences previously unwritten in my screenplays, or I've felt compell= ed to write new scenarios based on the mental images the songs have conv= eyed. =A0And let me just say, in case you were wondering, all this has o= ccurred without the use of drugs :-) But lest you count me as just another bandwagoner, since discovering Pla= y I have gone on to delve into Moby's previous recordings, and I am happ= y to report I have not been disappointed. =A0I was delighted to find his= work is just as conducive to booty-shaking and bile-spewing as it is to= meditation. =A0I've realized the wide spectrum of emotions electronica=20= can convey, and so for me Moby has become a gateway artist, the marijuan= a of dance musicians, because in discovering his work I've also been enc= ouraged to explore a genre I'd previously neglected. =A0I am continually= amazed (and somewhat intimidated) by the breadth and variety of artists= out there... looks like I have my work cut out for me! I look forward to discovering more of Moby's music; just in the past wee= k, from reading your posts (and with the help of Napster), I've been abl= e to unearth numerous little-known gems. And after seeing MTV2's b= roadcast of the concert from Edinburgh, I am kicking myself for not maki= ng the 2.5-hour journey from my shel-turd little hamlet to see Moby's gi= g in Raleigh-Durham; the guy goes on the road for 19 months and I don't=20= get a clue until the last show of the entire tour. Ahh well; live=20= and learn I guess. So, if you've stuck with me this far, you have my gratitude and admirati= on. =A0I'll close with this final plea: don't hate me because I'm a newb= ie! --Carrie</HTML> - --part1_b4.f921a24.27884b5b_boundary-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V4 #483 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.