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mobility-digest       Monday, December 11 2000       Volume 03 : Number 430



Re: (mobility) Update from moby-online.com
(mobility) Moby Click - Yahoo! Internet Magazine
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #429
(mobility) lol
Re: (mobility) Moby and the Dalai Lama
Re: (mobility) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:20:59 -0500
Re: (mobility) Arfie's Byzantium (utterly off topic)
Re: (mobility) lol
Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!
(mobility) Re: jennifer's retort
Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!
Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!
Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:50:42 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Update from moby-online.com

Moby is so sensible.  One of the many great things about him.  A.
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From: "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:55 AM
Subject: (mobility) Update from moby-online.com


> Considering the homophobic comments made here recently by
> a certain individual, I thought I'd post this to the list;
>
> Gender Issues
> 12/8/00 - San Diego
>
> I probably shouldn't be writing right now, cos it's late and I'm very
sleepy.
> But who can resist the lure of a sexy laptop...
> You know, the issue of gay vs. straight is interesting to me. It's
> kind of like the issue of catholic vs. protestant. Or apples vs. oranges.
> Personally, I would like to live in a world where there was no distinction
> between being gay or straight. What I mean is that I would like to live in
a
> world where it wasn't an issue. Where people liked people regardless of
> their gender. And where no one was ashamed of their sexual orientation.
> To answer your question, I'm pretty straight. I do find myself much more
> sexually attracted to women than to men. But I wish that it wasn't an
issue.
> One of the things I love about New York City is that it's a place
> where gay couples can walk down the street holding hands and/or kissing
> and no one bothers them. I hate the fact that there are parts of the world
> where people are persecuted or made to feel bad for their sexual
> orientation.
> Romance and sex and love are really nice things, and when two
> people (or more, whatever) are attracted to each other, then I believe
> that's something to be celebrated. Homophobia is something that's
> always mystified me. What possible reason can anyone use to justify
> homophobia? I find it kind of ironic when people say that 'homosexuality
is
> not natural'...umm, last time I checked neither were:
> antibiotics, synthesizers, airplanes, pasteurization,
> automobiles, televisions, footballs, wrestling costumes, sneakers,
> lightbulbs, etc.
> Live and let live. What people choose to do as consenting
> individuals is theirbusiness and no one elses, or so I believe.
> OK, time for bed.
> -Moby
>
> --
> Arfie Mansfield -- [ "And this also has been one of the dark places of the
earth" ]
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:50:38 -0600
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby Click - Yahoo! Internet Magazine

_Yahoo! Internet Magazine_ has an article on Moby, pg 60 of the
January issue. They list a URL for a longer story
<http://yil.com/extra/moby> but it's 404 right now. :/ They mention
moby-online.com ...

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:58:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #429

Jenny....exquisite and enlightened reply. Restored my faith that the intended
message is getting out there. Thanks.

<< Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:27:21 -0700
 From: Jennifer Byrd <[e-mail]>
 Subject: (mobility) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:20:59 -0500

  how offended am i... and how sad is it that the artist who has been able to
 make me think and feel and move more than any other is arousing in other
 people some sense of competition. when i listen to moby and just weep, when
 i look up at him on the stage and feel the body heat of the strangers next
 to me who are my friends and companions for the evening- joined together by
 our common love and admiration for the same glorious musician and thinker-
 it does not cross my mind that perhaps i am not a "true" or "fully matured"
 moby fan. the audacity that some of you must have to claim superiority is
 outright appalling. i just feel like my situation- that of being captivated
 by this man who brings me so much joy and truth- is being belittled because
 i wasn't born in 1980, and i wasn't exposed to music for a lot of my life. i
 guess, then, that i am not capable of loving his art if i have not been
 familiar with it since i was 10. maybe i am taking this a little too
 personally, but... moby and his music happen to be deeply personal parts of
 my life. true constants, and a source of hope. i thought that this listserv
 would allow me to engage with people who feel the same way i do. but i'm
 starting to wonder if it isn't just an outlet for one-up-manship.

  jenny
  >>

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:13:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Elissa Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) lol

> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:08:58 EST
> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!
>
> I WAS READING IN THE STAR MAGAZINE THE OTHER DAY THAT MOBY IS GUILTY OF
> HAVING MORE THAN ONE SPOUSE!! BOTH MEN AND WOMEN!! I CANT BELEIVE IT... ALSO,
> MOVE (YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD) RULES!!!

Mr. Yates, you crack me up.

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:20:02 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and the Dalai Lama

It is true that Moby is humble and charming and very, VERY intelligent.  As
for a shrunken ego, I think not.  I cannot imagine a man who can perform
like he does as having a diminished ego.  He is also quite opinionated, not
a sign of egolessness.  Naturally, he is aware of the many paths, the
dharma, and takes Christ as his teacher.  He gives of himself most
graciously, and I adore him.  Moby is a genuinely beautiful person with a
genuinely human ego, my friend.  But maybe it's just semantics, eh?  A.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel P. Scarnecchia" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:59 AM
Subject: (mobility) Moby and the Dalai Lama


> "Part of his charisma is that he is genuinely gentle and humble. He really
> seems like a man in whom ego has been shrunk. People feel humbled when
they
> meet him."
>
>     I came across this quote today.  Which do you think it was describing,
> The Dalai Lama or Moby?
>     It was from an article about the Dalai Lama, but i think that perhaps
it
> could be applied to Moby, at least given what i hear about him.
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:23:06 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:20:59 -0500

You are just right and so sweet.  You need not feel badly, there are plenty
on the list who are cool to where you are at.  A.
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From: "Jennifer Byrd" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:27 PM
Subject: (mobility) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:20:59 -0500


> how offended am i... and how sad is it that the artist who has been able
to
> make me think and feel and move more than any other is arousing in other
> people some sense of competition. when i listen to moby and just weep,
when
> i look up at him on the stage and feel the body heat of the strangers next
> to me who are my friends and companions for the evening- joined together
by
> our common love and admiration for the same glorious musician and thinker-
> it does not cross my mind that perhaps i am not a "true" or "fully
matured"
> moby fan. the audacity that some of you must have to claim superiority is
> outright appalling. i just feel like my situation- that of being
captivated
> by this man who brings me so much joy and truth- is being belittled
because
> i wasn't born in 1980, and i wasn't exposed to music for a lot of my life.
i
> guess, then, that i am not capable of loving his art if i have not been
> familiar with it since i was 10. maybe i am taking this a little too
> personally, but... moby and his music happen to be deeply personal parts
of
> my life. true constants, and a source of hope. i thought that this
listserv
> would allow me to engage with people who feel the same way i do. but i'm
> starting to wonder if it isn't just an outlet for one-up-manship.
>
>  jenny
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:35:16 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Arfie's Byzantium (utterly off topic)

The Mobility list is for Moby fans.  Now stop please with all the
"na-na-na-na-na" junk about who was here first and who is Moby's "bestest"
fan.  Deleting is a bore.  Anne
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From: "Rob" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:34 PM
Subject: (mobility) Arfie's Byzantium (utterly off topic)


> Yes, but I won't, because I'm ambiguous (another 'deformation'), and also
because this
> goes way beyond the relevance of this list ...
>
> Rob
>
> Arfie Mansfield wrote:
>
> > >Yes, the SARCASM ...
> >
> >         Ah, right... But can you give the latest two names of Byzantium?
> >
> > Arfie Mansfield
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:43:51 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) lol

Mr. Yates?  I checked this guy up on AOL-- his profile says his name is=
 like Scotty or something.

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On 12/11/2000 at 7:13 PM Elissa Brown wrote:

>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:08:58 EST
>> From: [e-mail]
>> Subject: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!
>>
>> I WAS READING IN THE STAR MAGAZINE THE OTHER DAY THAT MOBY IS GUILTY OF
>> HAVING MORE THAN ONE SPOUSE!! BOTH MEN AND WOMEN!! I CANT BELEIVE IT...=
 ALSO,
>> MOVE (YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD) RULES!!!
>
>Mr. Yates, you crack me up.
>
>elissa
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:10:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!

In a message dated 12/11/00 6:10:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I WAS READING IN THE STAR MAGAZINE THE OTHER DAY THAT MOBY IS GUILTY OF
 HAVING MORE THAN ONE SPOUSE!! BOTH MEN AND WOMEN!! I CANT BELEIVE IT...
ALSO,
 MOVE (YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD) RULES!!! >>

Um, you mean polygamy?  Moby is the anti-bigot.  Sweety, if you're going to
use big words to impress people, make sure you use them correctly.

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:14:53 -0800 (PST)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: jennifer's retort

before i start, *please* be sure to state who you
are talking to... i will assume it was me again
for the sake of consistency.

- --- Jennifer Byrd wrote:
> how offended am i... and how sad is it that the
> artist who has been able to make me think and
> feel and move more than any other is arousing
> in other people some sense of competition. when
> i listen to moby and just weep, when i look up
> at him on the stage and feel the body heat of
> the strangers next to me who are my friends and
> companions for the evening- joined together by
> our common love and admiration for the same
> glorious musician and thinker- it does not
> cross my mind that perhaps i am not a "true"
> or "fully matured" moby fan.

of course it doesn't cross your mind... you
haven't been a fan that long.  i've seen too many
people come on this listserve and spout off at
how "cool" moby is and leave.  you never went
through the part when most of his fans abandoned
him after animal rights, or how people first
began to call him a sell out with i like to
score.  it's hard to even begin to explain what
moby fans have been through when people begin as
fans during the highest point in his career.

i commend your depiction of your fandom above
though, that makes me feel good about you being a
fan.  you are about it for the man *and* the
music, which is what fandom is about.  moby isn't
a shallow person... he's a beautiful man who has
finally reached his dream: making music.

> the audacity that some of you must have to
> claim superiority is outright appalling. i just
> feel like my situation- that of being
captivated
> by this man who brings me so much joy and
> truth- is being belittled because i wasn't born
> in 1980, and i wasn't exposed to music for a
> lot of my life. i guess, then, that i am not
> capable of loving his art if i have not been
> familiar with it since i was 10.

i don't claim superiority, only experience over
you.  that means a lot.  your fandom has not yet
stood the test of time, where so many people
suddenly wake up one day and realize that moby
wasn't all that great and that they are moving on
to the next fad.  you're getting there, and your
composure seems true.  welcome to fandom, now
hold on tight.

> i thought that this listserv would allow me to
> engage with people who feel the same way i do.
> but i'm starting to wonder if it isn't just an
> outlet for one-up-manship.

listservs in theory are supposed to follow this
practice.  listservs in reality amount to a lot
of trolling, one-up-manship, useless information,
and immaturity.  welcome to the internet.

but remember that there are a few of us 'decent'
folks out there. ::smile::

=====
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:14:50 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!

i'm sorry, but i don't see any "big words" in tooskot's (dumb) post....

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On 12/11/2000 at 11:10 PM [e-mail] wrote:

>In a message dated 12/11/00 6:10:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,=
 [e-mail]
>writes:
>
><< I WAS READING IN THE STAR MAGAZINE THE OTHER DAY THAT MOBY IS GUILTY OF=

> HAVING MORE THAN ONE SPOUSE!! BOTH MEN AND WOMEN!! I CANT BELEIVE IT...
>ALSO,
> MOVE (YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD) RULES!!! >>
>
>Um, you mean polygamy?  Moby is the anti-bigot.  Sweety, if you're going=
 to
>use big words to impress people, make sure you use them correctly.
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:21:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!

In a message dated 12/11/00 8:17:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< i'm sorry, but i don't see any "big words" in tooskot's (dumb) post.... >>

Oh come on, bigamy is three syllables.  That's over half the hand.

I apologize to all the real Moby fans, by the way, for actually responding to
the immature posts, but sometimes it's so easy, I just can't resist.

Did any lucky person get tickets to the KROQ Acoustic Christmas show?  Moby
is performing both nights, but the damn thing sold out in 10 minutes and Ebay
is a bit much.

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:23:05 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY GUILTY OF BIGAMY!

my mistake :)  i didn't catch the subject line.

- -matt

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On 12/11/2000 at 11:21 PM [e-mail] wrote:

>In a message dated 12/11/00 8:17:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< i'm sorry, but i don't see any "big words" in tooskot's (dumb) post....=
 >>
>
>Oh come on, bigamy is three syllables.  That's over half the hand.
>
>I apologize to all the real Moby fans, by the way, for actually responding=
 to
>the immature posts, but sometimes it's so easy, I just can't resist.
>
>Did any lucky person get tickets to the KROQ Acoustic Christmas show?=
  Moby
>is performing both nights, but the damn thing sold out in 10 minutes and=
 Ebay
>is a bit much.
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