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mobility-digest       Sunday, November 12 2000       Volume 03 : Number 384



Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #380
Re: (mobility) ignorant fool
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #383
Re: (mobility) ignorant fool
(mobility) Refer To This
Re: (mobility) ignorant fool
Re: (mobility) Refer To This
RE: (mobility) Refer To This
(mobility) Dear me.
Re: (mobility) Dear me.
Re: (mobility) Dear me.
(mobility) wow. (other mailing list / moby press stuff)
Re: (mobility)  moby press stuff
RE: (mobility) wow. (other mailing list / moby press stuff)

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:11:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #380

In a message dated 11/11/2000 1:10:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I'm sorry but i see moby's point of view, i i support him and gore. I bet
u
 anything nader is more corrupt than anything, i bet the republican party
 paid nader to spoil the election. nader knew he was going to loose, but he
 stayed in anyway to mess things up, so thank you nader, youve become a
 useless politician.>>

Interesting view about Nader being paid by the republicans...but do you
really believe that is true? Nader strikes me as the first sincere politician
in decades, and your accusation about him being corrupt seems to be a bit off
the mark. Secondly, he did not run to "mess things up." He ran in order to
garner support for his party and his cause.


~Lainey


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field full of holes?"

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 20:31:41 GMT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ignorant fool

>From: "ken hermer" <[e-mail]>
>Hello Moby fans,
>
>I hope you all see through Moby's ignorant attacks on Ralph Nader and every
>one of his supporters..... Moby = Corproate whore for Al Gore!

Ken,

Instead of viciously attacking Moby, why don't you explain why you disagree
with him and leave it at that? That was overly harsh. I'm sure it won't help
you convince anybody to listen to your viewpoint.

I wish Moby would talk more about issues that he cares he cares about
instead of election math. I think his anger is misdirected, and I think he
should have been using it to convince Bush voters (48%) and apathetic or
cynical non-voters, who comprise around 50% of the eligible citizens. The
fact that Nader is far more progressive than Gore on issues like the
environment, education, and poverty makes me feel like Moby should be
interested in what Nader's stances are. Instead, he is treating Nader as a
threat to his chosen candidate and trying to fight Nader with numbers
instead of issues. Why he is doing it actively AFTER election day I have no
idea.

Steve
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:34:38 GMT
From: "- Fabrizio Achille Polo -" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #383

I think the whole Nader vs. Gore thing is being analyzed completely the
wrong way.  It's being treated as if there are two political positions:
conservative and liberal, and that Nader is just being a bad boy and sucking
up votes from another more deserving (or at least better funded) liberal
candidate.  It doesn't work like that at all.  Nader, and his party (as well
as myself to some extent), believe that the two parties are essentially the
same.  Even if you see the two parties as completely different, in a two
party system, we're just taking one step forward and one step back every
time the party of the president toggles.  Our net change is zero.  I'm sure
if it really came down to a choice he would rather Gore be elected, but he
doesn't see Gore as at all simmilar to himself.  If you look at his
politics, he isn't.  So, why should he sacrifice a chance to really promote
his party by getting the 5% popular vote just to help some guy who an
ignorant public has labled as simmilarly liberal?  Of course he shouldn't.
In the long run, a viable third party will help this country FAR more than
four years of one man who is slightly less bad than another.
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:29:13 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ignorant fool

Moby doesn't say anyone has to agree with his views, but I think it's=
 really stupid to call him names, and criticize him for having different=
 ones than yourself.  That proves nothing.

- -Matt

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On 11/11/2000 at 5:56 PM ken hermer wrote:

>Hello Moby fans,
>
>I hope you all see through Moby's ignorant attacks on Ralph Nader and=
 every
>one of his supporters. Excuse us for fighting for real democracy! Moby
>abandoned the US awhile ago. What right does he have to criticize our
>beliefs from across the Atlantic?
>
>If Moby would look more closely at the election results he would realize
>that Nader did NOT cost Al Gore the election. Al Gore lost the election=
 for
>himself. And besides, it doesn't much matter anyway. Gore and Bush both
>support the oppression of the poor and further stratification of our=
 society
>into have's and have not's. I guess now that Moby is a millionaire
>businessman he qualifies as a "have" and has abandoned fighting for the
>rights of the oppressed. Moby =3D Corproate whore for Al Gore!
>
>Sorry to post political views on a music discussion. But I'm sick of=
 getting
>e-mails from a musician criticizing MY political views. Moby, please lock
>yourself in a studio and record music. If you want to be a political
>analyst, I suggest a few years of studying before opening your mouth=
 again.
>
>Ken Hermer
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:35:10 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Refer To This

When criticizing Moby for his beliefs, and calling him names, please just=
 refer to his statement in Play, as the situation is very similar.

"These essays are not really related to the music, so if you hate the=
 essays you might still like the music, and if you like the essays you=
 might hate the music.  Who knows, maybe by some bizarre twist of fate=
 you'll like them both." -Moby

I'd say, in this situation, we should all exchange the word 'essays' for=
 'political beliefs' as I'm sure his opinion is exactly the same.

- -Matt

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On 11/11/2000 at 3:02 PM [e-mail] wrote:

>so what..
>do all of you who are attacking Moby for his views think you know him so=
 well
>and so personally as to be "confused" about him and just not know what you=

>think about him?  honestly, i really don't think he cares...
>he loves us for us loving his music...
>sure he's got views but that doesn't mean i'm gonnna agree with him
>and i am also mature and sane enough to separate his views from his music=
 and
>truly, i care much more about his music than anything else he has to say=
 or
>offer...
>do all of you nader supporters think that he can change all the things in
>this country that all the other presidents have done?
>do you really think so?
>i am a Nader supporter and i know that he's still a politician....he is
>aiming at the youth and that's why he's gotten so much support...
>what he promises does not mean he'll do....seriously...every candidate
>promises things...they do about 2% of those....
>nader is the same people...they are all the same...
>love moby for his music and let him speak his mind just like we all do...
>peace..
>elie
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:32:33 GMT
From: "ken hermer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ignorant fool

Dear Steve and Other Moby Fans,

I apologize for being a little mindless myself in my criticism of Moby's
statements. Guess I stooped to his level in my e-mail this morning. Thank
you Steve for keeping a cool head and explaining your (& my) view about
Moby's recent attacks on Nader and his celebrity supporters. I forget who it
was that responded earlier and stated that we are all entitled to our
political views. Attacking others for their political beliefs solves
nothing. I was wrong to attack Moby. But by the same argument, he should lay
off Nader, Vedder, & others. I, too, would like to hear what he stands FOR,
not against.

Ken


>From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (mobility) ignorant fool
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 20:31:41 GMT
>
>
>
>
>>From: "ken hermer" <[e-mail]>
>>Hello Moby fans,
>>
>>I hope you all see through Moby's ignorant attacks on Ralph Nader and
>>every
>>one of his supporters..... Moby = Corproate whore for Al Gore!
>
>Ken,
>
>Instead of viciously attacking Moby, why don't you explain why you disagree
>with him and leave it at that? That was overly harsh. I'm sure it won't
>help
>you convince anybody to listen to your viewpoint.
>
>I wish Moby would talk more about issues that he cares he cares about
>instead of election math. I think his anger is misdirected, and I think he
>should have been using it to convince Bush voters (48%) and apathetic or
>cynical non-voters, who comprise around 50% of the eligible citizens. The
>fact that Nader is far more progressive than Gore on issues like the
>environment, education, and poverty makes me feel like Moby should be
>interested in what Nader's stances are. Instead, he is treating Nader as a
>threat to his chosen candidate and trying to fight Nader with numbers
>instead of issues. Why he is doing it actively AFTER election day I have no
>idea.
>
>Steve
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 20:03:09 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Refer To This

Finally someone puts forward a balanced viewpoint - there seem to be a lot of
political commentators on this site - another commendable attitude that Moby
puts forward on Play is related to his Christian belief of
"non-judgementalism"

Also, Geoff from Omagh - yes I am a bit closer your situation and have seen
what havoc politicians/political extremists can wreak. Would just like to
ammend you're quote:

"the only honest politician is a dead one"

I-IOW

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:54:46 -0000
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Refer To This

thankyou for your support now can we please get back to wot this newsgroup
is supposed to be about...

the track time for running on the play bsides is 7.05 and is different from
running on the single if you want a full list of the differences let me
compare them and i will get back

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> Sent: 12 November 2000 01:03
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Refer To This
>
>
> Finally someone puts forward a balanced viewpoint - there seem to
> be a lot of
> political commentators on this site - another commendable
> attitude that Moby
> puts forward on Play is related to his Christian belief of
> "non-judgementalism"
>
> Also, Geoff from Omagh - yes I am a bit closer your situation and
> have seen
> what havoc politicians/political extremists can wreak. Would just like to
> ammend you're quote:
>
> "the only honest politician is a dead one"
>
> I-IOW
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:55:29 MST
From: "Jonathan Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Dear me.

Enough, enough, enough, enough, enough, ENOUGH!!!!!



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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:23:50 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Dear me.

Tacos, tacos, tacos, tacos, tacos, TACOS!!!!!

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On 11/12/2000 at 1:55 PM Jonathan Williams wrote:

>Enough, enough, enough, enough, enough, ENOUGH!!!!!
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:29:16 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Dear me.

Si por que!

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:19:43 -0500 (EST)
From: mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) wow. (other mailing list / moby press stuff)

this weekend's posts have been baffling. but i shouldn't really be
surprised.
i'm not even going to respond to any of it, but it has been suggested that
i remind everyone that there's a much calmer moby mailing list if yer
mostly just interested in discusions of his music, releases, and media
appearances and the like... it's user-controled, so you just gotta ask me
to be added to it, and if crap like this recent stuff were to go down on
it, ppl'd just get booted and the problem would be solved.
and in other moby news, the 12/2000 issue of select magazine from the uk
has an article on him regarding some various things, including the sale of
his soul, and they actually had the followup to interview me and quote a
few things. imagine! and it comes with a spiffing cd with "memory
gospel" on it and some neet stuff by some other neet ppl too.
okay kids, now play nice...
keep moving,
    -mark

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:26:27 EST
From: "*nicole ______" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)  moby press stuff

the december issue of spin has a little blip on moby's soul, too.  It's in
the backstage pass section.


>and in other moby news, the 12/2000 issue of select magazine from the uk
>has an article on him regarding some various things, including the sale of
>his soul,



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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:49:47 -0800
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) wow. (other mailing list / moby press stuff)

How appreciative we must be that any time any "crap" is spoke about,
the "alternative" list to this one that you happen to own is advertised.
I hardly think that any of the topics going on are crap.  Any list that
I would get booted off of, just for disagreeing with someone's political
shoutouts is one I don't want to be on.  Is it so wrong to disagree with
Moby, you know he isn't the next messiah, we won't be doomed to hell if
we disagree. By meaning toned down, it would be a list where everyone
praises
the artist, for he is the one that knows all and such.  I always thought of
this
list to have contracting views, since the artist it is about, has many
views.  If we agreed on everything, I don't think there would be a point of
a mailing list.

chris

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To: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) wow. (other mailing list / moby press stuff)


this weekend's posts have been baffling. but i shouldn't really be
surprised.
i'm not even going to respond to any of it, but it has been suggested that
i remind everyone that there's a much calmer moby mailing list if yer
mostly just interested in discusions of his music, releases, and media
appearances and the like... it's user-controled, so you just gotta ask me
to be added to it, and if crap like this recent stuff were to go down on
it, ppl'd just get booted and the problem would be solved.
and in other moby news, the 12/2000 issue of select magazine from the uk
has an article on him regarding some various things, including the sale of
his soul, and they actually had the followup to interview me and quote a
few things. imagine! and it comes with a spiffing cd with "memory
gospel" on it and some neet stuff by some other neet ppl too.
okay kids, now play nice...
keep moving,
    -mark

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