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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #104 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Wednesday, February 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 104 Re: (mobility) Quick question (mobility) Re:Quick question's-4Charity (mobility) What the #$%@ is happening! (mobility) Re: GO (mobility) Re: Metallica Re: (mobility) Quick question Re: (mobility) Quick question (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #103 Re: (mobility) What the #$%@ is happening! RE: (mobility) Quick question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:16:36 EST From: SieZMaC@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question << but why must everyone be so intent on making more money...isnt it known that money is the root of all evil? Isnt it a sin to live in excess? >> Money is not the root of all evil. Evil existed before the whole concept of money, so the money being the root of all evil was basically (in my opinion) created by the Church to make the church goers feel bad and give them all their money. money is a necessity. I know that's not an very cool thing to say, but in reality it is. you also have to decide what is living in excess.. i seriously doubt Moby is living in excess... equipment to do his work is not excessive.. no drugs.. doesn't drink.. doesn't even have a car. How is that excessive? I believe in this simple phrase "Whoever said money was the root of all evil, didn't have any." Of course I am not saying that BIG BUSINESS corporations are wholesome and pure organizations but you have to realize they are people just like us trying to make a buck. And you CANNOT deny that if you were in their situation you would refuse to make the money they do with how they do it. Unforgiving Sickle A single tear of clear life escapes the pores of the Ice tendril Cascading down with no direction or motivation Aimlessly following a path not yet taken Coming to the end of the path.. the tear drips off the cold unforgiving sickle To come in contact with the warming concrete..waiting..for evaporation into the sky Siezmac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:56:08 EST From: Tommylllll@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Re:Quick question's-4Charity as i remember reading earlier on the list... lot's of hollywood and our entertainers have done this CK add thing. John Spencer (JBX), a friend of Moby's did the same thing and i'm pretty sure he had to do with Moby doing his ad. He did it for his "favorite" charity or something. that was the base idea for doing the ad. I forget what it was-not that i ever knew. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:55:15 +0100 From: "Bart van Eijck" <eijck@IAE.nl> Subject: (mobility) What the #$%@ is happening! Here follows a list of things of things that I feel are wrong. Please don't flame me and press the delete button NOW if you're not interested (which I very well can immagine...) Don't say I didn't warn you: =================================================== To whoever brought up the whole sell-out thing again: BIG MISTAKE! The past has learned us that everyone has an opinion on this and that everyones opinion is different, leading only to frustration. Don't worry about Moby selling out, dig up an old Moby album/single and get all melancholic about the past (like me, np: EIW) Yes, back in '95.... Ok, suppose someone wants to follow this advice, but hasn't got any old Moby stuff. That person starts to browse eBay, a place where one used to get CHEAP 2nd hand or even new Moby goodies, well let me tell you, that time is over. A few examples: Go Remixes: $31 Into The Blue 2x12": $41 (and still a few days to go), Hymn singles that end up over $20 I could go on forever... And then to think I got the US Go Remixes CD for what I thought was a lot of money $17 not so long ago. Most of those high bidders are all newbies, both to eBay as to Moby because I have never seen them, not on this list and not on eBay. I'm glad the Space Onion tapes got in good hands (I know most of the bidders) Please tell us all about it! All of the above is caused by this huge media hype around our favourite musician the last few months. A little media attention is good, but this is too much and I hope it is VERY temporary. From the way they are acting I don't think V2 agrees with me on this. We Europeans have this bias towards Americans that they want everything to be bigger and better and therefore exaggerate everything, well, V2 tries very hard to let us believe this bias is true. Now I'm not saying they should stop promoting Moby, but they sure got to back off a little, their main goal has been reached, connecting the name Moby to the record company V2. I don't recall Elektra putting so much effort in promoting Moby, but that might be just me... And so I ended up talking sort of about the sell-out thing which I tried very hard to avoid. But lets all agree on the fact that Moby is not the sell-out here. I have the idea, and correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I'm wrong!), that Moby has become some sort of playing ball for V2. I know Moby is a people person and he likes to get around but to be touring for 1.5 year interupted by interviews, foto shoots, Grammies etc. Is that still healthy? Moby should ask himself if this really is what he wants to do, and if it's still just as much fun as when this thing started at the release of Play in May last year... Perhaps I should creep in a little hole with all my Moby CDs and come out again when Moby makes another Animal Rights type of record that doesn't make V2 as much money as it is supposed to do, gna gna... Or perhaps I should stop collecting Moby and start a Leftfield collection or something like that, I saw a "More Than I Know" remix 12" very cheap! I don't know... Bart np: Moby - First Cool Hive (my all-time Moby favorite...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:07:11 +0000 From: TOMB <T.R.Bradley@durham.ac.uk> Subject: (mobility) Re: GO Come On Baby CD... Moby " This is a song I ripped off a long time ago" ( before doing Go) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:16:58 +0000 From: TOMB <T.R.Bradley@durham.ac.uk> Subject: (mobility) Re: Metallica I love Metallica I love Moby In saw a rare red vinal of until it sleeps in Cornwall, but I couldn't buy the f*cker as there was no way of getting it back home not smashing it. Must here that sodding song, remember song metallica fans loved it, and pissed a few off, ah well, i MIGHT DO SOMTHING LIKE WORK SOON. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 05:17:44 -0800 (PST) From: DJ Pagan <djpagan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question - --- Renny Colclough wrote: > I dont know if he's selling out or not...but > CK? GQ? I mean, there have to lesser evils > than those corporations. How can some corporations be justified in their existance and others not? I mean, you DO go to some fast food chain, right? Or buy Levi's? Or shop at Wal-mart? When do we stop being people who live in excess (Mickey D's ain't efficient) or living for the sake of vanity (Levi's) and who justifies that? I sure don't. More power to Moby for doing things for money/clothes he's giving to charity. Remember that Moby won't push his beliefs on others, and helping someone out is never a bad thing unless pride gets in the way. > isnt it known that money is the root of all > evil? Someone else said it earlier: Money is a necessity, and those who complain about it don't have it. Money is the way we help people as well as hurt them. It's utility is up to us. > Isnt it a sin to live in excess? Once again, define excess. I buy a lot of music. Hell, I listen to music. That seems to be in excess. We don't *need* music or TV or books or to do anything but eat, sleep, and breathe. Anything past these elements would be *in excess*, though I don't hold that opinion. I do think there is something to simplifying our lives, though. Gandhi was a great man for that. ===== DJ Pagan "And this one time... At band camp..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:29:09 PST From: "Steve Giles" <power_hymn@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> >I dont know if he's selling out or not...but CK? GQ? Everybody keeps saying charities, record company control, etc. Try this one: Maybe Moby wants to be in the CK ad. Stop looking for excuses for Moby, give him some applause instead. >his album is selling gold, i think he's makin enough with that. You do, huh? So why don't you tell me how much he's making? Be sure to deduct touring expenses and to include a detailed summary of Moby's lifestyle, future goals, and the expenses that those entail. Don't forget about inflation, either. And also, leave room for money for his kids' upbringing and school, should he ever take that course, and you might as well plan a wedding for him. Just in case. Thanks. >isnt it known that money is the root of all evil? Isnt it a sin to >live >in excess? Desire and greed are very similar to each other. Generalizations like the above don't help anything except silly fundamental finger-pointing. Thanks. Steve >Rendog > > >>From: AshBlkRose@aol.com >>Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >>To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:21:50 EST >> >>Why does posing in magazines or for big name people considered "selling >>out?" >> He does have to make a living ya know. Besides, a lot of musicians are >>at >>the mercy of their label. Why is it such a bad thing to make money?? He >>does have to feed himself and besides, it makes more money to give to >>charities. I dont believe in such a thing as selling out, if someone >>didnt >>love music I highly doubt they'd go through all the crap if they were just >>there for the money. You could definitely make more money with a lot less >>hassle doing something else. It's not a crime to make money in this >>world, >>the means to getting it shouldnt matter..... >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ken gerleve <thewickerman2000@yahoo.com> Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #103 Its funny that the Angelo Badalamenti was brought up for his Twin Peaks soundtrack: I just purchased this last weekend. Badalamenti is awesome! Its also funny that his name came up in two of the other lists that I'm a member of, all during the same week. Pretty strange, but I think it might have had something to do with a Twin Peaks marathon on Bravo. Ken - --- mobility-digest <owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com> wrote: > mobility-digest Tuesday, February 15 2000 > Volume 03 : Number 103 > > > > (mobility) EW Asshole > (mobility) Moby vs Badalamenti > Re: (mobility) spirtual seduction > Re: (mobility) spirtual seduction > (mobility) Quick question > RE: (mobility) Quick question > RE: RE: (mobility) Quick question > Re: (mobility) Quick question > Re: (mobility) in orbit > (mobility) "Until it Sleeps" Remix > Re: (mobility) "Until it Sleeps" Remix > Re: (mobility) Quick question > Re: (mobility) "Until it Sleeps" Remix > Re: (mobility) Quick question > Re: (mobility) Quick question > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:55:38 -0800 (PST) > From: megan check <addictedtoed@yahoo.com> > Subject: (mobility) EW Asshole > > I was reading Entertainment Weekly on the Grammy > section. And the critic who was giving his opinion > was > a real asshole. he didn't say one nice thing about > anyone. the catagory moby is up for he said beck > would > win and that none of the albums were good. > > megan. > > - --- kimby <kimbalina@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Robert Taylor wrote: > > > > > >I found a very funny CD today. > > > >It's called "Laura Palmer's Theme" - FKW > > > > > > >The track listing is: > > > >1.Laura Palmer's Theme (master edit) > > > >2.Laura Palmer's Theme (tin man kick in mix) > > > >3.Laura Palmer's Theme (tk go 94 mix) > > > > > > >It's a complete ripoff of Moby's "GO" > > > >The strings are different, as well as the GO > > sample, > > > >but it's all organized the same way. > > > > Um, no. Laura Palmer's Theme is from Twin Peaks > > (circa early 90's) and > > it was written by Angelo Badalamenti (sp?). Moby > > coped it off. I > > didn't know that there were remixes of the > original > > Laura's theme! > > Weird. Check out the label and see how wrote the > > oringinal. It > > *should* say A.B. and maybe something about Twin > > Peaks. > > > > I hope that clears things up for you. Twin Peaks > > was a great show and > > Laura's theme is totally haunting. > > > > --kimby > > > begin:vcard > > n:; > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > adr:;;;;;; > > version:2.1 > > end:vcard > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:28:18 +0100 > From: Rob <branding@casema.net> > Subject: (mobility) Moby vs Badalamenti > > - --------------2B332385178B663BE4A65D77 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi everybody, > > a lot of you mob(y)sters commented on this message > by RT, but I assume > you haven't quiet read what it said. > > Pay attention to the subtitle for the 3rd track: > > 'tk GO 94 mix' ... > > (the OST for 'Twin Peaks' is dated '90...) > > Well, nuf said ... > > Rob > > > > Robert Taylor wrote: > > > I found a very funny CD today. > > It's called "Laura Palmer's Theme" - FKW > > > > The track listing is: > > 1.Laura Palmer's Theme (master edit) > > 2.Laura Palmer's Theme (tin man kick in mix) > > 3.Laura Palmer's Theme (tk go 94 mix) > > > > It's a complete ripoff of Moby's "GO" > > The strings are different, as well as the GO > sample, > > but it's all organized the same way. > > > > Got it for a buck/99. > > > > RT > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > - --------------2B332385178B663BE4A65D77 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 > transitional//en"> > <html> > Hi everybody, > a lot of you mob(y)sters commented on this > message by RT, but I assume > you haven't quiet read what it said. > Pay attention to the subtitle for the 3rd track: > 'tk GO 94 mix' ... > (the OST for 'Twin Peaks' is dated '90...) > Well, nuf said ... > Rob > > > Robert Taylor wrote: > <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I found a very funny CD today. > It's called "Laura Palmer's Theme" - FKW > The track listing is: > 1.Laura Palmer's Theme (master edit) > 2.Laura Palmer's Theme (tin man kick in mix) > 3.Laura Palmer's Theme (tk go 94 mix) > It's a complete ripoff of Moby's "GO" > The strings are different, as well as the GO > sample, > but it's all organized the same way. > Got it for a buck/99. > RT > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at <a > href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a></blockquote> > </html> > > - --------------2B332385178B663BE4A65D77-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:17:02 PST > From: "Daniel Lee" <danlee27@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: (mobility) spirtual seduction > > I sent you my money, but just in case you didn't get > my address, my mailing > address is : > > Daniel Lee > 668 Benton St. > Santa Clara, CA 95050 > > Thanks again!!! I can't wait to get the cd!!! > > Dan Lee > > > >From: "- hyponoise -" <heavens_trash@hotmail.com> > >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com > >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: (mobility) spirtual seduction > >Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:09:22 EST > > > > > >i recived four payments from us people wanting this > disc. so ifyou your one > >of the three that hasnt contacted me e-mail me you > address. [ by some flue > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:54:13 PST From: "Steve Giles" <power_hymn@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) What the #$%@ is happening! >From: "Bart van Eijck" <eijck@IAE.nl> >I have the idea, and correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I'm wrong!), >that >Moby has become some sort of playing ball for V2. Bart, I don't think you're giving Moby enough credit. This is his career, not V2's. While they do have influence with Moby, obviously, he's the one in charge. Without Moby, there's nothing for V2 to promote. >I know Moby is a people person and >he likes to get around but to be touring for 1.5 year interupted by >interviews, foto shoots, Grammies etc. Is that still healthy? Moby > >should ask himself if this really is what he wants to do, and if it's > >still just as much fun as when this thing started at the release of >Play >in May last year... Moby seems very introspective, I'm sure he questions himself frequently. What I'm wondering is why everybody is so interested all of the sudden. Everybody is acting like Moby has done something wrong. What he's doing is what he's been doing all along. Now that the public is actually paying attention, a lot of fans seems to be upset. >Perhaps I should creep in a little hole with all my Moby CDs and come >out >again when Moby makes another Animal Rights type of record that >doesn't >make V2 as much money as it is supposed to do, gna gna... Money..... Well, I'm here for the music, mainly, but I like Moby as a person, too. But music first. I know you've got lots of Moby stuff, Bart. Maybe you're overloading yourself with too much Moby. I bought too much Moby for a while and afterwards I just exploded musically, and since then I haven't focused on any one artist. I buy a little bit of everything and music keeps getting more and more interesting to me. Some said 99 was a bad year for music. That's wrong. I had a GREAT year of music. Anyways... Take it easy everybody. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:01:23 -0500 From: "Russell, Shera" <SMRussell@Venable.com> Subject: RE: (mobility) Quick question This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF788E.B5ED1164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was just wondering if anyone commenting and/or passing judgment on Moby's lifestyle choices, goals, finances, morals etc. put as much emphasis and thought into their own. Peace, Shera - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Giles [mailto:power_hymn@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:29 AM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> >I dont know if he's selling out or not...but CK? GQ? Everybody keeps saying charities, record company control, etc. Try this one: Maybe Moby wants to be in the CK ad. Stop looking for excuses for Moby, give him some applause instead. >his album is selling gold, i think he's makin enough with that. You do, huh? So why don't you tell me how much he's making? Be sure to deduct touring expenses and to include a detailed summary of Moby's lifestyle, future goals, and the expenses that those entail. Don't forget about inflation, either. And also, leave room for money for his kids' upbringing and school, should he ever take that course, and you might as well plan a wedding for him. Just in case. Thanks. >isnt it known that money is the root of all evil? Isnt it a sin to >live >in excess? Desire and greed are very similar to each other. Generalizations like the above don't help anything except silly fundamental finger-pointing. Thanks. Steve >Rendog > > >>From: AshBlkRose@aol.com >>Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >>To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:21:50 EST >> >>Why does posing in magazines or for big name people considered "selling >>out?" >> He does have to make a living ya know. Besides, a lot of musicians are >>at >>the mercy of their label. Why is it such a bad thing to make money?? He >>does have to feed himself and besides, it makes more money to give to >>charities. I dont believe in such a thing as selling out, if someone >>didnt >>love music I highly doubt they'd go through all the crap if they were just >>there for the money. You could definitely make more money with a lot less >>hassle doing something else. It's not a crime to make money in this >>world, >>the means to getting it shouldnt matter..... >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ********************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. 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Peace, Shera -----Original Message----- From: Steve Giles [<A HREF=3D"mailto:power_hymn@hotmail.= com">mailto:power_hymn@hotmail.com</A>] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:29 AM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@ho= tmail.com> >I dont know if he's selling out or not...but CK? GQ?<= /FONT> Everybody keeps saying charities, record company control,= etc. Try this one: Maybe Moby wants to be in the CK ad. Stop looking for ex= cuses for Moby, give him some applause instead. >his album is selling gold, i think he's makin enough = with that. You do, huh? So why don't you tell me how much he's makin= g? Be sure to deduct touring expenses and to include a detailed summar= y of Moby's lifestyle, future goals, and the expenses that those ent= ail. Don't forget about inflation, either. And also, leave room for money = for his kids' upbringing and school, should he ever take that course, = and you might as well plan a wedding for him. Just in case. Thanks. >isnt it known that money is the root of all evil?&nbs= p; Isnt it a sin to >live >in excess? Desire and greed are very similar to each other. Generali= zations like the above don't help anything except silly fundamental finge= r-pointing. Thanks. Steve >Rendog > > >>From: AshBlkRose@aol.com >>Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >>To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:21:50 EST >> >>Why does posing in magazines or for big name peo= ple considered "selling >>out?" >> He does have to make a living ya know.&nb= sp; Besides, a lot of musicians are >>at >>the mercy of their label. Why is it such a= bad thing to make money?? He >>does have to feed himself and besides, it makes = more money to give to >>charities. I dont believe in such a thing = as selling out, if someone >>didnt >>love music I highly doubt they'd go through all = the crap if they were just >>there for the money. You could definitely = make more money with a lot less >>hassle doing something else. It's not a cr= ime to make money in this >>world, >>the means to getting it shouldnt matter.....</FO= NT> >> > >____________________________________________________= __ >Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF=3D"http://ww= w.hotmail.com" TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.hotmail.com</A> > > ______________________________________________________</F= ONT> Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF=3D"http://www.ho= tmail.com" TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.hotmail.com</A> <CODE> ********************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. 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