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mobility-digest      Wednesday, November 10 1999      Volume 03 : Number 026



Re: (mobility) Animals. Combustion. off topic whatever
(mobility) AHHH...I eat meat,I am a bastard..off topic by the way
(mobility) Moby's Porno Flick
Re: (mobility) FWD: Moby news
Re: (mobility) FWD: Moby news
(mobility) Sailin' On
Re: (mobility) Playing JBmix at school
(mobility) New compilation
Re: (mobility) New compilation
(mobility) Mobility (home studio)
(mobility) MOBY in Paper magazine!!!

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:04:08 EST
From: "Stacey MacGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Animals. Combustion. off topic whatever

GO MO!!!!!!!  I totally agree.







>
> > Recycling is a bitch for me to do, maybe waste management should invent
>a
> > system to where it sorts and recycles trash itself and stop relying on
> > people to do it.
>
>Good point.  Maybe if we could put the responibility of everything on
>someone else's shoulders, we can be lazy, disrespectful(to Mother Earth and
>ourselves and every other living thing), and guilt-free since it's always
>"Someone else's problem".  I like the way you avoid any responsibility.
>
> > Electric cars are a stupid concept right now...we should
> > just be looking for an alternate fuel to burn.
>
>Yeah.  How 'bout human corpses?  Or maybe whale fat!  If people could get
>any grants for research into Wind, hydro, and solar power- maybe Electric
>cars would be a more attainable concept.  If the DEA were disbanded, and
>drugs, prostitution, and gambling were all legalized- there would be a few
>extra hundred billion dollars a year to spend on something more worthwhile
>than a war on our own citizens.  Such as: alternate power sources that are
>environmentally friendly, AIDs, cancer, MS, etc. research, hemp(the most
>useful plant in the world which is "illegal" in many countries), Drug
>education that isn't full of bias and propaganda, Recycling centers that
>are
>easily accesable in EVERY town, buying up land in rainforests so they can't
>be destroyed, and many, many, many others.
>
> >You want to clear land to plant stuff, I would rather have animals
>grazing
>on > that land.
>
>Why don't you take a few minutes to read the liner notes for "Everything is
>wrong"?  It gives ample reason to negate any concept of animals grazing as
>being "beneficial".
>
> > Also, do you know how many jobs would be lost and how our economy >
>would
>fall if the whole world turned vegan and we just freed all the animals >
>"animal liberation"
>
>What a pity!  As before jobs would be much more plentiful if the DEA didn't
>exist and drugs, prostitution, and gambling were legal.  Even if that idea
>horrifies you, I have a more basic argument.  Animals have feelings.  They
>have nerves and can feel pleasure and pain.  They have emotions, not as
>complex as ours, but any two of the same kind of animal will have it's own
>identifiable personality.  It may be easier to let things continue like
>they're going, but the easy things in life are just easy, not fulfilling.
>If the Nazis decided to keep killing Jews just because it kept alot of
>Germans employed, I guess that would be ok in your book also?
>
> > Clothing manafacturers, the meat industry, ranchers, cosmetics, and so
>many
> > other things, are just kicked out of our economy, it won't work.
>
>Clothing manufacturers would love it if hemp were legal everywhere.  It is
>excellent for clothing among many other things.  Leather is completely
>unnecessary in this day and age.  Everything done with leather can be done
>better and cheaper with something else.
>      The meat industry disgusts me.  Read a book about the meat industry
>written by someone other than the meat industry.  "Dead meat" is an
>excellent albeit horrifying book that can't help but make you feel like a
>shithead for eating meat.  I don't remember the author, but it should be
>easy to find at Amazon.
>
>      Ranchers, huh?  Yeah, that's a big percentage of jobs in America and
>Europe.  How many ranchers do you know?  I've never met ONE.  Change is
>necessary.  It is always better to change than suffer.  There are other
>jobs
>that are much more humane.  If you like the outdoors, you can work for the
>forest service.  If you like working with animals, you can work at a pet
>shelter.
>
>Absolutely no animals are needed for cosmetics.  There are way better
>alternatives.  And we don't need to test on animals either.
>
> > Practicality is what I'm looking for.
>
>Maybe you're looking for the wrong thing.  Being able to look inside
>yourself and see what you're doing wrong and make an effort to fix it is an
>essential feature to have a happy life.  It takes effort, belief in
>something, and taking action on the part of your beliefs to make a life
>worthwhile.  You may disagree with this statement, but it's only because
>you
>are unwilling to realize that there are other living beings out there that
>are every bit as important and necessary as you.  In order to satisfy
>yourself, you have to achieve a balance where you aren't hurting, but you
>are helping.  I hope someday you will agree with me on this.
>
> > We do what we do to survive.
>
>This statement is patently false.  You and I and everyone one else living
>in
>civilized places on the earth  are not subsistence living.  We don't live
>day to day just trying to get enough food to survive.  That has become a
>very small, but essential part of our lives.  It is our job to help people
>who ARE in that situation by educating them on birth control, hygene, and
>nutrition.  If they knew how much more food they could get out of the grain
>we send them than through livestock production, they would be much better
>off.  Refer to the part of the liner notes for "Everything is wrong"  about
>the ratio of water used for tomatoes versus beef, or the part about grain
>made into bread versus grain used for livestock.  It is very basic math and
>the results are astounding.  There is no reason to waste so much on so very
>little.
>
>
> >  It really doesn't  matter if I am lazy..because I am just an example of
>a
>normal > person.
>
>There is no reason to think that there is such a thing as a "normal"
>person.
>Everyone is different from everyone else in many different ways.  If you
>have any respect for yourself, you will desire very badly to be much more
>than a "normal" person who spends no effort on helping others.  Everyone
>wants to think that they are special; different.  The difference between
>animals and humans is that animals run mostly on instinct and have few
>choices, whereas humans have many choices, and only a few basic instincts.
>The thing that separates humans who are "people"  and humans who are
>"animals"  is choices they make.  If you want to be no better than an
>animal, even though you have been given so much more potential(as we all
>have), then I am sorry.
>
> > We are too busy and have too many other problems to worry about all this
> >
>extra "stuff".  So you have to find solutions that cater to the bulk of
>society
> > and to the normal person.  Otherwise it won't work, that is just life.
>
>  "All this extra 'stuff' " as you call it is actually the important thing.
>Money, whether or not your girlfriend is cheating on you, politics, and
>sports teams are the chaff.  Moral decisions, friends, beauty, charity,
>compassion, and empathy are the real gold of life.  And nothing caters to
>anyone.  Everyone works together, or we  achieve nothing.  Please consider
>my words before discarding them out of hand as I once would have done.
>Thanks.
>
>MO
>
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:26:41 -0800
From: "Chris Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) AHHH...I eat meat,I am a bastard..off topic by the way

Ok...to krwilson.  Whymust I keep defending my meat eating habits.
I do not use Moby as a source of facts so please stop saying refer to the
liner notes of "everything is wrong"...if I wanted a bunch of stats and
facts I would look...but since I am not a vegan I am not bothered by these.
As for knowing ranchers, I know plenty...I lived in texas for 18 years,
maybe you don't remember how much the texan beef industry got pissed off
when Oprah did her show about the industry and got sued.  You don't know
really know how big the industry really is and how many people rely on
cattle for income and animals for income.  Gambling is legal in most states,
most states have a lotto that they get millions and millions of dollars
from.  You can't just shut down an economy that has been built upon an
industry for over 2 centuries and expect us to survive.
Comparing people who eat meat to Nazi's is just a stupid fucking statement,
the fact is animals are not human, if you can't get over that, take a
elementary science class.
It doesn't matter if grain can be more readily available and at more
quantities..the fact that I DON'T WANT TO EAT GRAIN AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR MEAT
defeats that.
I am being honest as far as recycling goes, and most people are like me..so
I am a realist.  There aren't readily available "recycling centers" within
miles of me.  People are too busy and work too much and never have an
leisure time to sort their trash...people want trash to be gone when the
trashman picks it up.
Yeah, it be nice if we lived in a perfect world where we didn't have to
worry about money and things and stuff. BUT WE DON'T...we are not all like
moby and have as much time to devote ourselves to better society.
I have to work 6hrs a day go to college part time and sleep..find someone
who can sort my trash for me and who will pay all my bills and I will live
with the earth in peace and all.  I pay money to have my trash picked up,
and I would like it to stay that way.  We live in a fast world, philosophy
and saying what it "should be" is great and all, but until you make it
practical and a livable solution for me, I can't adopt it.
Bugs have feelings also, they have nerves and feel pain.  Yet we kill them
without any remorse.  THEY ARE ANIMALS...heh, this is getting old..I am not
going to be converted to veganism..and until someone with money and power
develops something better for the environment nothing will change
either..that is the facts please refer to my liner notes.
If you believe in everything Moby says then fine..I appreciate that.
But don't treat me like hey this kid is ignorant I should refer him to what
moby says..I am saying my opinions because I BELIEVE THEM.
I appreciate moby for his music...but it is like cause I don't agree with
moby then I am a bastard nazi.  Heh, all I know if ya wanna try to be like
moby, then don't compare me to a nazi, because I know he certain wouldn't do
that.  If ya squash ants and kill mosquitos and roaches..then you are just
as bad as me.  THE BUGS FEEL PAIN DAMMIT.  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please end
this vegan thing, because it's obvious I don't agree with you.
A perfectly happy meat eater,
Chris

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:53:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Moby's Porno Flick

I seem to remember to little blubs about Moby doing a movie about porno,
called Porno (this is what happens when you subscribe to entertainment news
via e-mail ~ lots of little blurbs with no follow-up).. Anyway, I went back
to reread it and it said that it was supposed to be submitted to Sundance in
the beginning of October... Anyone know how it went?  The image of Moby
playing guitar with 2 dildos strapped to his head is just way to bizarre for
me....  And leave it to Moby to go into a super odd movie, nothing mainstream
for him....  Still....  I will have to muster up all of my devotion to even
attempt to see the flick...  Anyone know anything else about it?

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:02:11 -0700
From: "Michaela Gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) FWD: Moby news

yeah i live in tucson... where did this news come from?  desert sky is the
venue?  hmm... tickets through ticketmaster?  why is he coming back????

plov
- ----- Original Message -----
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:47 AM
Subject: (mobility) FWD: Moby news


> > >Hey I heard on the radio this morning that Moby is coming again. But he
is
> > >playing with a bunch of retarded bands. Its like in mid or late
December at
> > >Desert Sky. It's some christmas with no snow festival they are calling
it. SO
> > >the other bands that I remember were Blink 182, and 311 heheheh 311
nasty.
> > >What do you think is possesing moby to play with those 2 bands. I think
like
> > >2 other bands were mentioned but I don't remember whe they were. SO I
just
> > >thought I would let you know. Desert Sky is kinda lame and I don't know
how
> > >much it would be. SO what else. I don't know. That's all........ed
>
> My best friend sent me this.  So if any one else lives in AZ, here ya go.
I
> agree w/ her though, I mean, common 311?
>
> Hey, how many ppl on the list *do* live in AZ?  I think Michaela (sp?)
lives here
> in Tucson.  Anyone else?
>
> --kimby
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:05:41 -0700
From: "Michaela Gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) FWD: Moby news

looks like that it's for the edge radio station.

the date is 12/13/99.  tickets go on the sale the 13th of this month and can
be purchased through ticketmaster.  pricing is currently not available.

here is the web link for info:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/tm2k_by_id_FS.idc?event_id=1E002F64B9F479BB%
26searchname%3DBLINK_182%26minorcat%3D31%26state%3DAZ%26majorcat%3D

hope that helps anyone... think i will definitely go to this one.  saw him
at nile theatre, would love to see him in an open arena!

plov


- ----- Original Message -----
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:47 AM
Subject: (mobility) FWD: Moby news


> > >Hey I heard on the radio this morning that Moby is coming again. But he
is
> > >playing with a bunch of retarded bands. Its like in mid or late
December at
> > >Desert Sky. It's some christmas with no snow festival they are calling
it. SO
> > >the other bands that I remember were Blink 182, and 311 heheheh 311
nasty.
> > >What do you think is possesing moby to play with those 2 bands. I think
like
> > >2 other bands were mentioned but I don't remember whe they were. SO I
just
> > >thought I would let you know. Desert Sky is kinda lame and I don't know
how
> > >much it would be. SO what else. I don't know. That's all........ed
>
> My best friend sent me this.  So if any one else lives in AZ, here ya go.
I
> agree w/ her though, I mean, common 311?
>
> Hey, how many ppl on the list *do* live in AZ?  I think Michaela (sp?)
lives here
> in Tucson.  Anyone else?
>
> --kimby
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:14:36 +0100
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Sailin' On

Got the Bad Brains tribute CD yesterday!

Sailin' On by Moby is simply GREAT!!! but I don't
understand why this beautiful tranquil song is on
a Metal album, the other 18 songs are all banging
guitars and screaming voices from artists like Skinlab,
Ignite, Ryker's, Sepultura and Turmoil...

Moby sings the vocals for Sailin' On himself and I must
say they does it better than on any song on Play!
I wonder how the original from the Bad Brains sounds,
because Moby turns this song into a gentil little broken
hearted love song.
I also like the lyrics: (kind of Porcelain-like!)
==========================
You don't want me anymore
I'll just walk right out that door
Play the game right from the start
I trust you, you use me, now my heart's all torn apart

I'm salin', I'm salin on
And Movin', oh movin' on
Sail on, sail on...
==========================
(these are not the complete lyrics)
The music kind of reminds me of Everloving.
Oh, this Bad Brains Tribute CD isn't in the
discography yet, but I'll get right on that :)

Oh, and would you guys please stop attacking
eachother on that 'eating meat' thing? Thanks.

Bart
http://www.geocities.com/animal_sight/
np: Skinlab - The messengers




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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:01:10 -0500
From: The Nelson Family <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Playing JBmix at school

At 07:08 PM 11/9/99 +0100, you wrote:
>On Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:34:05PM -0500, nelson-family wrote:
>
>> I am proud to anounce that i will be playing the Moby James Bond mix at my
>> school!  I convinced the faculty to let me(some how) anyway i will be using
>> a BOSS dr202 Dr.Sample, Boss Dr660 drum machine a yamaha electric
>> cello(suprise!)and a zeta electric violin.
>Wow.. that sounds cool... That reminded me a version of Kraftwerk's
>"We are the robots", performed by a string quartet... Most amazing was
>the cellos (I swear) that seemed to pronounce that "We are the
>robots".. My skin always get chickenish when I listen to it.
>
>> Ill be covered in wires and
>> other junk at the performance from all the equipment.  Anyone got
>> anysuggestions on how to make this performance better?
>I'd like to get to listen to it...
>
>By the way, and (more or less) talking about versions... Do you know
>if there has been any strings version of some Moby song ? I'd like the
>guys that recorded Kraftwerk's do the same with some Moby's...
>
>
>--
>Jonathan Ruano Pach                Email: <[e-mail]>
>ICQ:1252101 AIM:Tlabok IRC:Kobalt  Homepage: http://www.encomix.es/~jonah
>
>I really dont know.  I had played the origonal version of JB and it gave
me the idea to do this.  you could probably transpose some music of moby's,
if you get the score or chords

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:01:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) New compilation

Joy!  Just did a search of Moby on Amazon and it shows that there's a new
release on November 23 (same day as Mr. Beck) called What the Funk You
Waiting For?  Sadly, there is no track listings... ANyone know what song is
going to be on?

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:40:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) New compilation

i believe it is Porcelain and it comes out in Spain or something....there is
some info on Moby.org......

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:35:41 -0500
From: "nelson-family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Mobility (home studio)

anyone else out there got a home recording studio? sorry this is kinda off
topic. I would like to have someone to get advice from, and talk about
equipment.  Also i heard about a new moby relese soon, is this the Play
remix album, or another one?

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:30:29 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) MOBY in Paper magazine!!!

Ok guys listen up!

I just got the Paper magazine because Moby was on the cover and the article
about him.  There is an article about his new album, Play, and the success
that its had since its been released.  As I read the article, i came across
something that was sort of weird to me.  There is a picture of him and at the
bottom it says, Moby wears a top by Prada.  what the heck is that all about?
Anyways the article says that Moby will be posing for Calvin Klein ads along
with other celebrities.  What is going on here? I don't know about this but
then as i kept reading on he says that the money he made from these ads will
be going to charity.

Well folks I'm sure many of you are going to make comments about this.  A lot
of you might be thinking that Moby is going commercial but maybe the article
should be read before you guys start with the comments about this.

As far as I'm concerned, I love Moby's music and I love the man for being so
brilliant in dishing out such sounds.  I feel that Moby's music is really
important to me and it makes me happy.  As long as he keeps making his music
that is all I really care about and Moby's health of course!  =)

Marisa

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