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mobility-digest       Saturday, November 6 1999       Volume 03 : Number 021



(mobility) smoking
(mobility) Laura, get practical
Re: (mobility) Laura, get practical (off-topic)
Re: (mobility) ATB remix
(mobility) converting deluxe play lists
Re: (mobility) smoking
(mobility) Drugs, and moby's obsession with "yeah"
Re: (mobility) Drugs, and moby's obsession with "yeah"
(mobility) *** off topic ~ idealists
Re: (mobility) moby&raves
Re: (mobility) ATB remix
Re: (mobility) ATB remix
(mobility) nude as the news?
(mobility) poll time!

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 22:35:30 -0800
From: Laura <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) smoking

> WHen did you get the idea that cows live in tiny crates without
sunlight...
> I lived in tx for 18 years.  Cows graze acres of land and eat large
amounts
> of food..they do not have a hard harsh life.  They sleep, walk around,
sleep
> some more, eat, and occasionly get milked.

that's what you call a free-range farm.  you go to the store, you walk
to the
health food aisle, and you pay 5 times as much for that milk because it
takes so
much more money to treat cows that way.  Do you really think that
factory farms
are going to advertise the way they mistreat their animals?  No?  Well
that's
why you've never seen cows being treated so badly.  They are locked up,
indoors,
their entire lives, kept in crates where they can't turn around or lay
down
properly, where their limbs grow misshapen.  Don't believe me?  Go to
http://www.peta-online.org/stinks/rcowp.html  They have pictures.


>  I mean have you really ever been
> on a farm.  It is just kind of logic that cows aren't kept in cages
with no
> light.  They wouldn't even be able to survive that way.

Maybe it is logic.  But fuck logic, they *do* survive that way.  that's
why
they're so yum-yum-yummy in your tummy.  after all that force-feeding
and those
low-light conditions, where they aren't allowed to run any of their
wonderful
tasty fat off, what cow WOULDN'T taste delicious!?

laura

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:12:51 -0800
From: "Chris Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Laura, get practical

 LAura...
I visited your little pro vegan link about cows..
and honestly I didn't see anything really brutal and cruel...the industry
isn't perfect, so some cows get the bad luck..who really fucking
cares...THERE ARE BIGGER PROBLEMS in the world right now, maybe you should
post some url's on actual HUMANS getting stacked in close spaces and being
persecuted for their beliefs and being killed and shot in streets and dying
of hunger, if you would stop worrying about the damn cows, you think those
people who are all emaciated and dying of hunger care if they eat a
vegetable or meat...heh, re-evaluate the situation, and you can see that
your vegetarian views aren't practical at all for the world's population
...and like no shit, showing me pictures of raw meat and cows hanging from
hooks and such and their scraps doesn't gross me out.  Like what did you
think I would expect it to be, somehow they just vaporize the meat off the
cows neatly? :P  Blah.....if  you see some pictures of lions ripping apart
zebras, you'll probably think lions are cruel too...
as for Moby riding a bike everywhere...ok that is not going to
happen..considering I see a big red tour bus at each on of his gigs that
emits more carbon monoxide than a car would.
Some "ideas" that people have aren't practical at the time..instead of
people saying it is all wrong and bad bad bad...maybe they should find
another more practical solution...
heh, it's like...for us not to be totally cruel to animals, we cann only eat
vegetables...for us to stop pollution, we must ride bikes and not cars..and
to stop the rainforest from falling we must stop using paper...
like ok, those are solutions..but they sure as hell aren't practical...
I didn't know why you insisted on brining this back up again, because I
thought opinions were resolved.
NOW...
please get back to Moby's music or something related to it..because this is
as practical really as arguing religion...but I mean if you like the
arguement, then do what you please.  People bitching about the number of
emails they are getting...maybe you should get used to mailing lists..or at
least have this mailing list automatically d/l into it's own mailbox.  The
more posts there are the more active the list is, which I think is a good
thing..anyways..later
Chris

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:32:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Laura, get practical (off-topic)

Thank you Chris.  YEah the environment is in bad shape.  But this is probably
one of the first times in the history of the world that people are becoming
actively aware of the decay that's been caused by centuries, milleniums, what
have you of humans.  It's not going to end.  First humans need to treat each
other with a comon decency before we can worry about the animals. If we can't
respect each other then how the hell can we be expected to respect the rights
of creatures that most people don't consider to be equal to the human race?
I'm kinda surprised that Moby has expanded on the idea on how no one really
makes human contacts anymore. IT's like we're all supposed to live in this
bubble and not interact with strangers (there's that tv  brainwashing again).
 Just think of all the people you meet that you never connect with.  It's
that isolation that makes people snap and I think (way off-topic) the main
cause behind all the recent senseless shootings recently.  I mean even here
which is supposed to be an open forum of ideas in regards to Moby, to really
really express something on ideals tends to get a lot of shit.  cuz people
here are straight out about the music which is cool, but there is more to it
than that, at least for me.  And yes I love Moby, his music and the passion
that he stands for.  There should be more people in the world like him, even
if I don't agree with his ideals.  Fix humans first, than the world, because
a sane unified human race (which will probably never happen) will work better
to save the world.  If all humans become compassionate loving creatures, some
of the problems will automatically fix themselves.  And this is all I have to
say on this matter.  I'm done, I promise, and I allow everyone to scream and
yell and hate me if I ever address this again .  (Sidebar ~ I was good and
put the off-topic)


In a message dated 11/5/99 11:13:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  LAura...
 I visited your little pro vegan link about cows..
 and honestly I didn't see anything really brutal and cruel...the industry
 isn't perfect, so some cows get the bad luck..who really fucking
 cares...THERE ARE BIGGER PROBLEMS in the world right now, maybe you should
 post some url's on actual HUMANS getting stacked in close spaces and being
 persecuted for their beliefs and being killed and shot in streets and dying
 of hunger, if you would stop worrying about the damn cows, you think those
 people who are all emaciated and dying of hunger care if they eat a
 vegetable or meat...heh, re-evaluate the situation, and you can see that
 your vegetarian views aren't practical at all for the world's population
 ...and like no shit, showing me pictures of raw meat and cows hanging from
 hooks and such and their scraps doesn't gross me out.  Like what did you
 think I would expect it to be, somehow they just vaporize the meat off the
 cows neatly? :P  Blah.....if  you see some pictures of lions ripping apart
 zebras, you'll probably think lions are cruel too...
 as for Moby riding a bike everywhere...ok that is not going to
 happen..considering I see a big red tour bus at each on of his gigs that
 emits more carbon monoxide than a car would.
 Some "ideas" that people have aren't practical at the time..instead of
 people saying it is all wrong and bad bad bad...maybe they should find
 another more practical solution...
 heh, it's like...for us not to be totally cruel to animals, we cann only eat
 vegetables...for us to stop pollution, we must ride bikes and not cars..and
 to stop the rainforest from falling we must stop using paper...
 like ok, those are solutions..but they sure as hell aren't practical...
 I didn't know why you insisted on brining this back up again, because I
 thought opinions were resolved.
 NOW...
 please get back to Moby's music or something related to it..because this is
 as practical really as arguing religion...but I mean if you like the
 arguement, then do what you please.  People bitching about the number of
 emails they are getting...maybe you should get used to mailing lists..or at
 least have this mailing list automatically d/l into it's own mailbox.  The
 more posts there are the more active the list is, which I think is a good
 thing..anyways..later
 Chris >>



"You can't edit yourself" ~ Beck Hansen

Are you addicted to breathing? ~ Me

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 06:52:39 -0800 (PST)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ATB remix

- --- John Turpin <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Has anyone else listened to WDMHFSB (atb remix)
> and been reminded of Aqua's "Barbie Girl"?

I'm going to pretend I didn't hear this. ;)

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 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:46:32 -0000
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) converting deluxe play lists

how does one go about converting windows deluxe cd player song lists to a
database I have went too all the trouble of downloading track listings and
now cant use them in any other programme ;-(

if anyone knows now to do this or what file is needed let me know

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:10:37 -0800 (PST)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking

- --- Laura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Drugs are bad and that's different.
>
> drugs are bad?  why?  why are they different?
> aspirin is a drug.  why isn't aspirin bad?

You're equivocating on the meaning of drugs.
When he said drugs, he meant illegal,
mind-altering, addictive narcotics.  You are
speaking of the parmecutical kind, totally
irrelevant.

> Why is it okay for people to die in car
> wrecks and of alcohol poisoning from alcohol,
> but it's not okay for someone to OD on heroin?

I don't think either is okay, not many people
would.

> "Drugs are bad" is such an automatic response;
> people don't even question it.  Of course
> drugs are bad.  Why?  Because they are!

No, most people would say that they cause
addiction, loss of a sense of reality (let's stay
away from the metaphysical sense of reality on
this one), and can kill you a lot quicker than
most consumable or smokeable items (with the
exception of marijuana).

Few people say they are bad "because they are".

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 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 07:38:51 PST
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Drugs, and moby's obsession with "yeah"

I'm against drugs but am fascinated by drug culture.

"Drugs are bad" is an automatic response.  Obviously drugs are extremely
harmful and life threatening but in school and tv, they bombard you with so
many anti-drug messages.  I pretty much don't trust any agenda television
pushes so hard.  A lot of people are just conditioned to be anti-drugs just
as they are conditioned not to talk about religion sex or politics in
"polite conversation" just as we're conditioned to be closed-minded to
alternative ideas.

Our whole society is geared towards rejecting anything meaningful, and
focusing more on fun so I'm actually surprised there's so much anti drug
stuff out there.  It's brainwashing in a way, which is why I only watch the
Simpsons Monty Python and Saturday Morning Cartoons ;) heeheehee.

Also, it scares me that a lot of people look down on smoking so hard. I
mean, we're bombarded with a voluminous amount of anti-smoking stuff.

I know a lot of people tend to criticize smoking as socially unacceptable,
more repulsive to them than abortion, starvation, etc.  It's sickening to
think that we attack smoking more than abortion.

Also, anyone notice Moby's main word is "yeah".  Think about it, his
breakthrough song's main lyric was "[thud] yeaaahhh [piano]" repeated.
One of his most poignant songs (Memory Gospel) is just a woman singing yeah.
  He uses yeah a lot on play, too.

Or maybe I'm just strange.


> > "Drugs are bad" is such an automatic response;
> > people don't even question it.  Of course
> > drugs are bad.  Why?  Because they are!
>
>No, most people would say that they cause
>addiction, loss of a sense of reality (let's stay
>away from the metaphysical sense of reality on
>this one), and can kill you a lot quicker than
>most consumable or smokeable items (with the
>exception of marijuana).



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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:41:37 -0800 (PST)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Drugs, and moby's obsession with "yeah"

- --- jj fish <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Also, anyone notice Moby's main word is "yeah".
> Think about it, his breakthrough song's main
> lyric was "[thud] yeaaahhh [piano]" repeated.
> One of his most poignant songs (Memory Gospel)
> is just a woman singing yeah.

My buddy and I shared an office this summer, and
we were listening to a live set of Moby's.  It
was cool for a while, then we noticed he said
things like "Love", "Oh Lord", "No", and "Yeah!"
a lot during the performance.  Live, I can handle
it.  Listening to it live, I must admit I because
slightly amused.  Emotion doesn't travel well
over the fiber optic, at least not as well as
through the air. :)

I still remember giggling in the office listening
to the set.


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 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:31:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) *** off topic ~ idealists

Hi from a vegan that lives on a cattle farm...
Individual choices may be trivial when you look at each one, but then you
start pooling them together and speaking out, letting your opinion be heard,
it does make a difference. And sometimes you have to sacrifice convenience
for the greater good... Give the idealists a break! We mean well...

Also, when Moby was in Cincinnati one member of the group came from
Kentucky... I'm seeing a trend too...

- -Sarah

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:39:26 -0600
From: "Jamie Baade" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby&raves

I saw him at one in 1993 as part of a rave party/free concert in Milwaukee,
WI
show started with 2 djs and then moby played and then one more dj(prodigy
was supposed to be there too, but they cancelled)...anyway
it was awesome he played stuff from the first CD and ended with "thousand"
standing on his keyboard with lights flashing everywhere...now a staple
ending to his concerts...it was the 1st time I had seen him do  it and I was
blown away...then he handed me his drumstick...very cool!
I still have the concert ticket stub!
Jamie
- ----- Original Message -----
From: barracuda <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:55 PM
Subject: (mobility) moby&raves


> Quick question for you all.  Anyone seen moby at a rave?  Just curious.
> If you have... what'd you think?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:45:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) ATB remix

i heard an ATB song on the radio, and it was real good...it's kind of pop
techno but they have a pretty beautiful touch to their music that makes it
listenable...peace..elie

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:02:19 +0200
From: Samu Heinonen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ATB remix

At 13:45 6.11.1999 EST, you wrote:
>i heard an ATB song on the radio, and it was real good...it's kind of pop
>techno but they have a pretty beautiful touch to their music that makes it
>listenable...peace..elie
>
>
That ATB song is awful.. It's sounds so poptechno.. and I don't like any
kind of trance anyway..
         -Samu Heinonen-
         [e-mail]-
 http://www.saunalahti.fi/~samuhei/

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:08:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) nude as the news?

nude as the news? hey thats a Cat Power song. and Cat
Power used to practice in Moby's basement, right? so
somebody named an URL after the song...... and their
reviewing moby n shit... ooh spooky....

Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real
heads! TMBG rule!!!

bye!


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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:34:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) poll time!

first off, Laura, yr quotes are the bomb! i dont even
read the content, just down to the quote! "nobody will
remember me after i'm gone---some dead guy" genius!
thats like a TMBG song! speaking of which, when
(Kimby? sorry i forgot) said about prosthetic
foreheads not knowing it was a TMBG reference, you
also said "while you're at it" which is said in
"Birdhouse In Yr Soul" aaak sorry im just obsessed
with TMBG god this cant be good...

and now, content!

POLL TIME!
ok this is about songs. singles, specifically. which
song would you elect the perfect single? i'll break it
down into sections:

1. Perfect Moby single
2. Perfect non-Moby single (just cuz i wanna mention
TMBG.... d'i mean cuz i'm curious ;)
3. Perfect Moby single that isn't (as in, song from an
album that hasnt been released as a single, including
trax from play that are not yet scheduled to be
released...)
4. same, non-moby

my opinion:

1. eh... mmm... i dont know, why do you force me into
this!?!? ;) ah actually NOT GO (sorry im a little
bored of this song) but i think the perfect Moby
single would be....Run On. for now. sorry, maybe i'll
get back to this later.

2. TMBG "Birdhouse In Your Soul" or "Ana Ng" (Particle
Man wasnt released or promoted as a single, so it dont
count ;)

3. personally i think "South Side" deserves to be a
single. i know, its the most commercial sounding song
on the album, but well it just sounds like a great
single. "Porcelain" would be good too. "Machete" i
don't think so... i mean, its a good song but its a
bit misrepresentative of Play as a whole. i mean, this
song is fast and loud and ROCK, and the others are a
bit slow and graceful. it's a good song, but i usually
skip over it cuz sometimes it just doesnt fit. even
the more upbeat songs on play like "Honey" and "Find
My Baby" and "Bodyrock" are more funky, not aggro.
like, when Blur released "Song 2" and all the kids
bought the album, theres only like 2 songs like that
on the entire cd. you know? but if it does get
released, whatever, that only means more Moby fans,
right?
altho "7" is undoubtedly.....fuck it, why do i keep
saying that? its not funny at all!

4. best non-moby non-single: Sifl & Olly "I Got Laser
Eyes" or "My United States Of Whuteva", the two best
punk rock songs ever written. okay, fine, best punk
rock PARODIES ever written (oh shut up! S&O rule! ;)

 one more: Deepsky, who is remixing Moby, did that
song "Tempest" which AMP has been using as its opening
theme for like 3 and a half years right? 3 and a half
years and we're still at fucking 3 am when nobody can
watch and they consistenly fuck around with the time
schedule, like i missed the Stereolab video last week
and my pal Jon said it was fucking awesome....damn,
how am i gonna see the new 'Lab video? i'm not gonna
see this shit on TRL!!!! at least post yr time changes
on the website!!!!

aw fuk, now they have this live beck show on sunday
which i have to tape, and i only got an hour and a
half left on my video tape. i guess i could buy more
videos..whuteva. bye!

bye!

bye!

bye!

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