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mobility-digest      Wednesday, November 3 1999      Volume 03 : Number 015



Re: (mobility) smoking
Re: (mobility) smoking
(mobility) EIW promo?
Re: (mobility) smoking
Re: (mobility) EIW promo?
Re: (mobility) EIW promo!
Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers
Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers
Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers / Drummer
Re: (mobility) vanderbilt
Re: (mobility) EIW promo?
Re: (mobility) vanderbilt
Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers
Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers
(mobility) actions records question
Re: (mobility) actions records question
Re: (mobility) actions records question
Re: (mobility) smoking
Re: (mobility) smoking
RE: (mobility) smoking

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:10:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking

In a message dated 11/03/1999 6:24:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  Moby with drinking.
 And who know which of Moby's radicalisms will fall down next. Drugs ? Meat ?
 Eggs ? or Cheese ?
 everything dies. >>

Drinking is not extreme, I don't think.  Down a shot down and then doesn't
make you a lesser person. Drugs are bad and that's different.  Meat, eggs and
cheese are not the end of the world, especially cheese..  One thing I don't
understand about vegans.. Cows r in pain if they aren't milked, or at least
extreme discomfort.  What's wrong with milk products beyond the threat of
lactose intolerance. It doesn't kill or hurt the cow, it actually makes them
feel better.  But I digress and I don't want to start another vegan arguement.

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:31:53 PST
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking

Hey, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a little drink now and


...Jesus drank :)

<<  Moby with drinking.
>  And who know which of Moby's radicalisms will fall down next. Drugs ?
>Meat ?
>  Eggs ? or Cheese ?
>  everything dies. >>
>
>Drinking is not extreme, I don't think.  Down a shot down and then doesn't
>make you a lesser person. Drugs are bad and that's different.  Meat, eggs
>and
>cheese are not the end of the world, especially cheese..  One thing I don't
>understand about vegans.. Cows r in pain if they aren't milked, or at least
>extreme discomfort.  What's wrong with milk products beyond the threat of
>lactose intolerance. It doesn't kill or hurt the cow, it actually makes
>them
>feel better.  But I digress and I don't want to start another vegan
>arguement.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:43:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) EIW promo?

i was just searching the net for moby stuff and i came across an 'everything
is wrong' promo and it said that it was an "official promo interview disc.pic"
does anyone know what this is?  i checked the moby.org discography and it's
not there.
thanks!

- -tina
"Without understanding there cannot be true love, and without love there
cannot be true understanding." --Thich Nhat Hanh

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:10:51 -0800 (PST)
From: morag doodikins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking

.. i'm not attempting to start another vegan argument,
but here are my thoughts.. in the wild, as an adult
human, i would no longer be drinking milk from my
mother's breasts. i have friends who were breast fed
until they were three; if you don't stop breast
feeding from the animal will keep producing milk for a
long time. if the animal stops being milked it will
stop producing milk, so we are not really helping the
cows, just prolonging their discomfort..also the
amount of cattle we are breeding for this purpose is
very destructive to the earth; cows produce huge
amounts of methene which is one of the main
contributors to the destruction of the ozone layer...
not trying to say everyone should be vegan, it just
makes sense for me...
*freyja*

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> In a message dated 11/03/1999 6:24:45 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<  Moby with drinking.
>  And who know which of Moby's radicalisms will fall
> down next. Drugs ? Meat ?
>  Eggs ? or Cheese ?
>  everything dies. >>
>
> Drinking is not extreme, I don't think.  Down a shot
> down and then doesn't
> make you a lesser person. Drugs are bad and that's
> different.  Meat, eggs and
> cheese are not the end of the world, especially
> cheese..  One thing I don't
> understand about vegans.. Cows r in pain if they
> aren't milked, or at least
> extreme discomfort.  What's wrong with milk products
> beyond the threat of
> lactose intolerance. It doesn't kill or hurt the
> cow, it actually makes them
> feel better.  But I digress and I don't want to
> start another vegan arguement.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:24:53 PST
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) EIW promo?

>From: [e-mail]
>i was just searching the net for moby stuff and i came across >an
>'everything is wrong' promo and it said that it was an "official >promo
>interview disc.pic" does anyone know what this is?  i checked >the moby.org
>discography and it's not there.

There are interview discs for both EIW and AR. The AR one is in the
discography with a list of the questions, but the EIW is missing. I don't
have it, but I've seen it on an auction once, and I'm fairly sure it's been
discussed on mobility once before.

- -Steve
an unapologetic but courteous smoker

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:29:44 +0100
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) EIW promo!

Tina wrote:
>i was just searching the net for moby stuff and i came across an
'everything
>is wrong' promo and it said that it was an "official promo interview
disc.pic"
>does anyone know what this is?  i checked the moby.org discography and it's
>not there.
>thanks!


Yes, this is an official promo interview disk!  I also saw it last month at
a local
record & CD fair, but I didn't have any money left to buy it (they had sooo
many
rare Moby things!)  I don't have any further info on it, that's why I
haven't included
it in moby.org's discography.  So if you have the info (cat # and the
questions,
like the way the Animal Rights interview promo is listed in the discography)
you can mail it to me and I'll get it in my discography on
http://www.geocities.com/animal_sight/moby/modisc.htm
And I'll also update the discography for Daniel Cerman from www.moby.org
but he's very busy at the moment so I can't guarantee that the discography
on moby.org is also updated immediately....

Chris Laine wrote:
>I actually had Underwater in my hands about 2 years
>ago and decided not to buy it.  I'm kicking myself
>now....  It was used, and that was before I was really
>'into' Moby.  Ah, the ignorance of youth!

I know the feeling... also happened to me with the Hymn single back in 1994
and the ITB single in 1995 (I didn't start collecting Moby stuff until 1996)
But I was lucky these weren't that rare and I got them both last year.

(<>,,<>)
np: Enigma - The dream of the dolphin

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:36:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers

 Saw Moby last night in a little club here in Ft Myers. There were at max 150
people so it was easy to get right to the front of the stage. It was an
incredible performance and you could tell he was having a great time.  He had
tons of energy and was always bouncing around. Made a lot of jokes and took
some requests. Played a jazzed up version of Stairway to Heaven by Led
Zeppelin. He can really play the bongos. Mostly same songs as in Atlanta.
Ended the night by playing the fastest song ever made, and he stood on the
keyboard with his hands above his head covered in blue laser light and fog.
It was a fantastic image.
 On his way out he told me he was going to drink some beers and relax since
the band had a 4 hour trip the next day to Orlando to fly to Italy, and
previously they drove all day from Atlanta.
  Talked to his soundboard and lighting guy. He was from England and said
they had played some smaller clubs. I would have thought this was the
smallest. Also said they have been on tour for 4 months and have had less
than 5 free days when they weren't traveling or setting up. He was looking
forward to going home to relax soon.
Asked him how he got the job and he told me a headhunter.
  Also found out Moby's drummer was from Ft. Myers.

All in all one of the best live performances I've seen.

Blake

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:54:11 -0800 (PST)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
>   Also found out Moby's drummer was from Ft.
> Myers.

Funny, in Madison, he said he was from Madison,
WI.  Hmmmm....  ::scratches head::

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:47:57 -0500
From: "Kerry Cianos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers / Drummer

  Yeah, and in Atlanta he said the same thing.  In fact, he went so far as
to say the drummer was from Buckhead (an wealthy affluent part of town),
although he said the drummer was from the poor side of Buckhead :)

  kerry

- ----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers


- --- [e-mail] wrote:
>   Also found out Moby's drummer was from Ft.
> Myers.

Funny, in Madison, he said he was from Madison,
WI.  Hmmmm....  ::scratches head::

=====
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"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:00:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) vanderbilt

maybe i'll go...i need to find a good way to get there and back in one
piece..i'm in jersey so it might be a pain in the ass...anyone know where how
far Plainview is from NYC..thanks..elie

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:03:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) EIW promo?

In a message dated 11/03/1999 11:27:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< -Steve
 an unapologetic but courteous smoker >>

That's the best way to be..  If you smoke your chose and shouldn't be
persecuted for it (though mild health lectures from time to time should be
understood from those who care) but you shouldn't subject others to diseased
lungs.  Applause to you.  =)

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:25:27 -0800 (PST)
From: natalie leblanc <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) vanderbilt

hey--
i live in nyc, and i think that the LIRR goes to
Hicksville which is 3 miles from Plainview in about 50
minutes.  it's cheap too.  and for moby, very worth
it...natalie.

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> maybe i'll go...i need to find a good way to get
> there and back in one
> piece..i'm in jersey so it might be a pain in the
> ass...anyone know where how
> far Plainview is from NYC..thanks..elie
>
>


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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:05:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers

i went to the show in d.c. and he said the drummer was from d.c.

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:19:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Ft Myers

I see a trend here.............................

Blake

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:33:35 -0700
From: Chris Perkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) actions records question

apologies for sending this to the list, but i wanted to ask a question of
the people here who have dealt with Action Records previously.  when you
ordered your stuff, did you get it sent via insured mail or just normally?
cause i've heard people getting their orders within a week or less, but it's
been over a week and a half and i still have yet to receive my order or hear
anything from them.  i'm just curious, because when dealing with a
particular import store in the past, my CD's came in horrible condition, so
i sent them back, but failed to send them back via insured mail, therefore
they are forever lost in the mail and i was out 480.  anyway, please help,
because i'm grealy looking forward to hearing the new moby singles as well
as the other stuff i bought (including the first and only non-moby vinyl
i've bought in the past 2 years aside from "the brown album" by primus,
which was a gift).  anyway...


Chris Perkins        [e-mail]        ICQ #: 32689797

- -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what
phones are.  If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.-

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:35:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) actions records question

In a message dated 11/03/1999 2:32:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< apologies for sending this to the list, but i wanted to ask a question of
 the people here who have dealt with Action Records previously.  >>

I just got my new BT Movement in Still Life from Action.  It came in about 2
weeks (but then again it was a new release) and regular air mail.  It was in
pretty good condition cept the cover of the jewel case was cracked and no
shrink wrappage, but I'll live.  They're my favorite import currently untill
I see how music express does.

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:01:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) actions records question

i recently bought the two 'WDMHFSB?' singles from action records and it came
in about a week by regular air mail.  they also do a very good job
packaging... lots of bubble wrap:) well, if you don't receive your order
soon, i advise you to send them a message... but i'm pretty sure they'll
arrive!

later,
- -tina
"Do not disparage other religions and praise your own.  You will hurt your
own tradition by doing so." --Dharmaraja Ashoka in Shahgadi Edict

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:34:13 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking

just one small addition to the never-ending discussion on veganism...i
think i lot of vegans would argue that their abstainance from diary
products is in part a political gesture. The fact is that in modern times,
agricultural process is such that in nearly all cases, the animals we rely
on for the production of dairy foods are mistreated. I point you to the
book written by John Robbins called "Diet for a New America" if you are
interested in learning what exactly is involved in bringing that tasty
cheese to our dinner tables. There is also a significant amount of
scientific, academic debate as to whether or not dairy products are indeed
healthy. We should ask ourselves why it is that we are so convinced that
they are good for us: I know I have been bombarded by advertising
campaigns and elementary school health class lectures featuring
educational materials sponsored by dairy producers. With enough economic
power behind you, it is possible to convince whole societies of the value
of your product, and dairy is no different. There has been a tremendous
effort made by the dairy industry in convincing North Americans that milk
and milk products are the ONLY way we can get sufficient calcium and other
nutrients. This simply is not true. I don't claim it's a big conspiracy,
but if soy producing farmers invested billions of dollars into convincing
us of the merits of soy, I'll bet many people would eventually begin to
think
that soy was the only healthy option. It may well be that one can be
healthy and consume dairy products, but for many vegans, the more
compassionate options persuade us to abstain. Cows need to be milked, yes,
but they do not need to live in tiny crates without seeing sunlight or
getting exercise, nor should they subsist on diets that support the
production of large amounts of milk, but are not healthy for the sow.
Veganism- in its better, non-preaching moments- protests the excesses and
greed of modernity.



now i will be quiet...:)


On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 11/03/1999 6:24:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<  Moby with drinking.
>  And who know which of Moby's radicalisms will fall down next. Drugs ? Meat ?
>  Eggs ? or Cheese ?
>  everything dies. >>
>
> Drinking is not extreme, I don't think.  Down a shot down and then doesn't
> make you a lesser person. Drugs are bad and that's different.  Meat, eggs and
> cheese are not the end of the world, especially cheese..  One thing I don't
> understand about vegans.. Cows r in pain if they aren't milked, or at least
> extreme discomfort.  What's wrong with milk products beyond the threat of
> lactose intolerance. It doesn't kill or hurt the cow, it actually makes them
> feel better.  But I digress and I don't want to start another vegan arguement.
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:21:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking

In a message dated 11/03/1999 3:36:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< There is also a significant amount of
 scientific, academic debate as to whether or not dairy products are indeed
 healthy. >>

It's not actually. I hate to biogically smart cuz I'm not, but its been found
that 95% of the population (or some ridicoulousy high number) is actually
lactose intolerant.  After a certain age, when primary growth is completed
and milk is no longer needed for its calcium content, the body stops
producing the enzyme necessary to break down lactose.  Just one of those
biological things.  I personally avoid large quantities of dairy because it
just makes my body feel bad after eating it.  And I personally think, to go
way off, the high dairy consumption is what's leading to the growing obesity
rate because people just can't digest it.  And I don't even want to go into
to the treatment of cows because  a lot of its terrible and saddens me
because it is so unnecessary.  And those poor little baby cows they make into
 veal... But I personally like to stay away from political earth shattering
issues because those going against the system usually loose, and I do not
loose very well.  I respect vegans as long as it's not a status thing for
them (like its the cool thing to be at this current moment in time)  I've
also met vegetarians who are vegetarians because they don't like vegetables
so they want to kill them.  People are weird.  Whatever makes you feel like
you're being the person you want to be.  Enough.

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:35:13 -0800
From: "Chris Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) smoking

WHen did you get the idea that cows live in tiny crates without sunlight...
I lived in tx for 18 years.  Cows graze acres of land and eat large amounts
of food..they do not have a hard harsh life.  They sleep, walk around, sleep
some more, eat, and occasionly get milked.  I mean have you really ever been
on a farm.  It is just kind of logic that cows aren't kept in cages with no
light.  They wouldn't even be able to survive that way.  Just because they
are in captivity doesn't make it totally cruel and evil like.  Anyways..I
will continue to drink milk because it tastes good and it gives calcium.
You can drink your soy milk and eat your tofu.

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:34 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking


just one small addition to the never-ending discussion on veganism...i
think i lot of vegans would argue that their abstainance from diary
products is in part a political gesture. The fact is that in modern times,
agricultural process is such that in nearly all cases, the animals we rely
on for the production of dairy foods are mistreated. I point you to the
book written by John Robbins called "Diet for a New America" if you are
interested in learning what exactly is involved in bringing that tasty
cheese to our dinner tables. There is also a significant amount of
scientific, academic debate as to whether or not dairy products are indeed
healthy. We should ask ourselves why it is that we are so convinced that
they are good for us: I know I have been bombarded by advertising
campaigns and elementary school health class lectures featuring
educational materials sponsored by dairy producers. With enough economic
power behind you, it is possible to convince whole societies of the value
of your product, and dairy is no different. There has been a tremendous
effort made by the dairy industry in convincing North Americans that milk
and milk products are the ONLY way we can get sufficient calcium and other
nutrients. This simply is not true. I don't claim it's a big conspiracy,
but if soy producing farmers invested billions of dollars into convincing
us of the merits of soy, I'll bet many people would eventually begin to
think
that soy was the only healthy option. It may well be that one can be
healthy and consume dairy products, but for many vegans, the more
compassionate options persuade us to abstain. Cows need to be milked, yes,
but they do not need to live in tiny crates without seeing sunlight or
getting exercise, nor should they subsist on diets that support the
production of large amounts of milk, but are not healthy for the sow.
Veganism- in its better, non-preaching moments- protests the excesses and
greed of modernity.



now i will be quiet...:)


On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 11/03/1999 6:24:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<  Moby with drinking.
>  And who know which of Moby's radicalisms will fall down next. Drugs ?
Meat ?
>  Eggs ? or Cheese ?
>  everything dies. >>
>
> Drinking is not extreme, I don't think.  Down a shot down and then doesn't
> make you a lesser person. Drugs are bad and that's different.  Meat, eggs
and
> cheese are not the end of the world, especially cheese..  One thing I
don't
> understand about vegans.. Cows r in pain if they aren't milked, or at
least
> extreme discomfort.  What's wrong with milk products beyond the threat of
> lactose intolerance. It doesn't kill or hurt the cow, it actually makes
them
> feel better.  But I digress and I don't want to start another vegan
arguement.
>

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