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mobility-digest       Monday, September 27 1999       Volume 02 : Number 138



Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts
Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts
(mobility) WDMHFSB Tracklistings
(mobility) Re: Skittles, age, and me
Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts
(mobility) Issues
(mobility) Too Late
(mobility) Moby at Roxy
RE: (mobility) Moby at Roxy
(mobility) Relax, People
(mobility) Moby loves Tom Green + Why the Music Industry is Screwed
RE: (mobility) Relax, People
RE: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) Issues
Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) Moby at Roxy
Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts
Re: (mobility) Re: Skittles, age, and me
(mobility) ANOTHER MOBY COMMERCIAL...
(mobility) values...

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:17:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby at roxy

yeah...anywhere is cool with me to meet.....i mean, it is a nine oclock show
so i will definitely be in the city a lot earlier....later...elie

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts

I'm new, but...

- --- April Kincaid <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> I COULDN'T LOVE YOU MORE... THANK YOU.....

First, chill with the caps, it's annoying.  It
means you are shouting.  Unless you really shout
in everyday life, it's proper net manners to not
use them.

- --- Someone else...
>>you know, there are some people, who have this
>>sense of,.. maybe you have already heard this
>>word before, .. humour. and this people somehow
>>appreciate when you make , you know this ?,
>>... a joke.
>> obviously you're not one of them.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.  When
someone says, "SHADDAP STOOPID" I assume it's
meant in good humor.

>>other thing is what you wrote about the
>>t-shirts and why our world is so f**ked. if
>>you really care that much about what other
>>people think about your appearance and your
>>actions, did you think about ME before you
>>wrote that i was stupid ?

I don't think he thought it was stupid, I think
he was merely pointing out a difference between
Eurpoean and American culture.  To him, it made
him feel like a teeny-bopper fan.  The key words
are "to him".  Never did he say that anyone was
stupid.

Also, while I don't think you are stupid for
wearing an artist's t-shirt, I do think you are
incorrect for using both argument ad hominem
(attacking the arguer) and argument ad populum
(using popularity of opinion to further your
point).  Your arguments aren't valid, and this
whole issue is one of jumping the gun at
someone's PERSONAL comment.

>>peace man, relax and hold your horses before
>>you hurt someone.

But it's okay to blast him personally on the
listserv.  Bah, you're a hypocrite as well.  ::groan::

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
__________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:37:59 -0500
From: Rob Skipworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts

Can we drop the whole t-shirt argument?  When Brad made the comment, I
think he was doing just that - making a comment.  It was not meant as a
slur against anyones fashion sensibilities.  Personally i couldn't care
less what any of you wear to a concert.  I would bet that the majority
of the list feels this way also.  If anyone wishes to continue to
discuss fashion... i believe they might have a wonderful time at
alt.gap.kids

And also, when replying to someones comment... unless it directly
affects all of us on the list... try sending it DIRECTLY to that person
instead of over the list. I hate getting 30 emails that say, "I agree"
"You are so right" or the worst - "Me too"

I'm not trying to offend anyone, so please take this in good humor and
don't flame me.


thanks!

- ------rob

DJ Pagan wrote:

> I'm new, but...
>
> --- April Kincaid <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> > I COULDN'T LOVE YOU MORE... THANK YOU.....
>
> First, chill with the caps, it's annoying.  It
> means you are shouting.  Unless you really shout
> in everyday life, it's proper net manners to not
> use them.
>
> --- Someone else...
> >>you know, there are some people, who have this
> >>sense of,.. maybe you have already heard this
> >>word before, .. humour. and this people somehow
> >>appreciate when you make , you know this ?,
> >>... a joke.
> >> obviously you're not one of them.
>
> Perhaps you should take your own advice.  When
> someone says, "SHADDAP STOOPID" I assume it's
> meant in good humor.
>
> >>other thing is what you wrote about the
> >>t-shirts and why our world is so f**ked. if
> >>you really care that much about what other
> >>people think about your appearance and your
> >>actions, did you think about ME before you
> >>wrote that i was stupid ?
>
> I don't think he thought it was stupid, I think
> he was merely pointing out a difference between
> Eurpoean and American culture.  To him, it made
> him feel like a teeny-bopper fan.  The key words
> are "to him".  Never did he say that anyone was
> stupid.
>
> Also, while I don't think you are stupid for
> wearing an artist's t-shirt, I do think you are
> incorrect for using both argument ad hominem
> (attacking the arguer) and argument ad populum
> (using popularity of opinion to further your
> point).  Your arguments aren't valid, and this
> whole issue is one of jumping the gun at
> someone's PERSONAL comment.
>
> >>peace man, relax and hold your horses before
> >>you hurt someone.
>
> But it's okay to blast him personally on the
> listserv.  Bah, you're a hypocrite as well.  ::groan::
>
> =====
> DJ Pagan
> "Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
>  closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) WDMHFSB Tracklistings

Straight from Mute...

CD 1 (CDMUTE230)
1. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad?
2. Flying Foxes
3. Princess
4. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? - Video

CD 2 (LCDMUTE230)
1. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? (ATB Remix)
2. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? (Ferry Corsten
Remix)
3. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? (Subsonic
Legacy Remix)

12" (12MUTE230)
1. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? (ATB Remix)
2. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? (Ferry Corsten
Remix)
3. Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? (Sharp Roadster
Club Edit)

Just because I love you all...

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:06:39 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: Skittles, age, and me

>I wish I listened to Moby @ 6!

When I was 6, Moby was 5!!!

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:58:54 EDT
From: "Blake Edwards" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts

it is my belief that posts of a confrontational and _deconstructive_ nature
can be quite positive.  a sense of humour _is_ present, (as mr. pagan
alluded to below) though it is one that i don't expect the average _moby_
fan to appreciate. ;) i called him stupid because that is how he sounded in
his post. something about sitting around the campfire and dreaming of
hugging and kissing moby. my apologies for the all caps. purely
unintentional.

greetings.

>From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'm new, but...
>
>--- April Kincaid <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
> > I COULDN'T LOVE YOU MORE... THANK YOU.....
>
>First, chill with the caps, it's annoying.  It
>means you are shouting.  Unless you really shout
>in everyday life, it's proper net manners to not
>use them.
>
>--- Someone else...
> >>you know, there are some people, who have this
> >>sense of,.. maybe you have already heard this
> >>word before, .. humour. and this people somehow
> >>appreciate when you make , you know this ?,
> >>... a joke.
> >> obviously you're not one of them.
>
>Perhaps you should take your own advice.  When
>someone says, "SHADDAP STOOPID" I assume it's
>meant in good humor.
>
> >>other thing is what you wrote about the
> >>t-shirts and why our world is so f**ked. if
> >>you really care that much about what other
> >>people think about your appearance and your
> >>actions, did you think about ME before you
> >>wrote that i was stupid ?
>
>I don't think he thought it was stupid, I think
>he was merely pointing out a difference between
>Eurpoean and American culture.  To him, it made
>him feel like a teeny-bopper fan.  The key words
>are "to him".  Never did he say that anyone was
>stupid.
>
>Also, while I don't think you are stupid for
>wearing an artist's t-shirt, I do think you are
>incorrect for using both argument ad hominem
>(attacking the arguer) and argument ad populum
>(using popularity of opinion to further your
>point).  Your arguments aren't valid, and this
>whole issue is one of jumping the gun at
>someone's PERSONAL comment.
>
> >>peace man, relax and hold your horses before
> >>you hurt someone.
>
>But it's okay to blast him personally on the
>listserv.  Bah, you're a hypocrite as well.  ::groan::
>
>=====
>DJ Pagan
>"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
>  closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:01:06 +1200
From: Joseph Parkes <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Issues

I love it how we seem to get caught up in the moment and absolutely go nato
on the little issues, big to some people of course.
For example, Selling Out, Vegan/Vegetarian, Wearing Moby T-Shirts to Moby
Concerts, being Hateful to other Members(when it is probably just joking or
even Sarcasim).
But as soon as these issues/points start to get interesting, someone, me
included, writes in telling them to shut the fuck up.
Maybe not so harsh, but the general meaning anyway.  It's just funny to see
the borderline crossed on sooo many occasions.

I for one would luv to know why the world is all Phucked up.
Apart from obvious reasons, please tell me how wearing the 'Shirt' because
it makes you happy is the reason the world is Phucked.  I realise it may
have been meant as a reference to when April said Screw Everyone Else....
But I don't think it meant that if you want to go out for target practice
at the local Grocery mart with an AK cause it makes you happy, then by all
means, do it.  It was probably a reference to most fashion disasters and
their critics.  If it was meant as a joke, then I am very sorry for
Rambling for no reason, but it just seemed to be a very sensitive topic
that was un-necessary to be raised.
Caps, Maybe I'm Thick, but isn't it a little hard to distinguish between
joke and serious, especially since we don't know the person.

I'm Spent




Joseph Parkes [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:04:24 +1200
From: Joseph Parkes <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Too Late

Bugger Me, Too Late
Now that you cleared that up mate, I feel real bad for sending that to
everyone on the list along with this, sorry for wasting your time.
Joe





Joseph Parkes [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:05:34 -0400
From: Keith Clancy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby at Roxy

The Roxy is pretty nice but still not as intimate or cool as Irving
Plaza where I saw 2 of the best Moby concerts there.  Actually the best
Chemical Brothers and the most intense Underworld show (it was there US
debut as Underworld mkII with a 3and 1/2 hour long show, fucking
brillant).  Ok now i am rambling in other words the Roxy is ok.Bye Keith

NP - Vapourspace - Gravatational Arch of 10

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:01:01 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby at Roxy

I've never been to the Roxy for a show, but I have been there on a
regular Saturday night, and to be honest, I wasn't too thrilled with the
crowd or the music.
d

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Keith Clancy [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, September 27, 1999 6:06 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    (mobility) Moby at Roxy
>
> The Roxy is pretty nice but still not as intimate or cool as Irving
> Plaza where I saw 2 of the best Moby concerts there.  Actually the
> best
> Chemical Brothers and the most intense Underworld show (it was there
> US
> debut as Underworld mkII with a 3and 1/2 hour long show, fucking
> brillant).  Ok now i am rambling in other words the Roxy is ok.Bye
> Keith
>
> NP - Vapourspace - Gravatational Arch of 10
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:19:27 +1200
From: Joseph Parkes <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Relax, People

NOW EVERYBODY, TAKE A DEEP BREATH, EASE DOWN, THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS, GOOD
OR BAD, THE ROXY IS AN EXPERIENCE, JUST DON'T BRING OUT THE WEAPONS, I
SMELL ANOTHER ISSUE.

Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking
,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Jokin
g,Joking,Joking........




Joseph Parkes [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:21:06 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby loves Tom Green + Why the Music Industry is Screwed

If anybody remembers everybody hating Tom Green and saying anybody who likes
Tom Green should be shot?  Well, along with me, MOBY WOULD BE SHOT because
he said in Subbacultcha's interview he "also met Tom Green.  I love his
show."

So, before you cast the first stone, umm.... [insert clever smarmy remark]
The music industry is screwed because of the mass marketing of rebellion and
true music and people my age (16 ish) who buy rebellion in a jewel case.
People who get Korn, Metallica, etc because it's "alternative" and somehow a
rebellion against their parent's music (which was a rebellion against their
parents music).

Most people, this is pretentious I know and maybe wrong, either swallow the
crap this world shoves down their throats, or swallows the crap this world
shoves down their throats under the guise of rebellion.


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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:12:36 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Relax, People

I'm not saying I didn't have a good time.  I was with friends and I try
to make the best out of every situation.  However, if Moby wasn't going
to be there, I probably wouldn't be there either.  It was ok.  Don't
worry, I won't be bustin out the AK anytime soon.
d

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Joseph Parkes [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, September 27, 1999 6:19 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    (mobility) Relax, People
>
> NOW EVERYBODY, TAKE A DEEP BREATH, EASE DOWN, THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS,
> GOOD
> OR BAD, THE ROXY IS AN EXPERIENCE, JUST DON'T BRING OUT THE WEAPONS, I
> SMELL ANOTHER ISSUE.
>
> Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,
> Joking
> ,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking,Joking
> ,Jokin
> g,Joking,Joking........
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Parkes [e-mail]
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:41:57 -0700
From: "Chris Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) moby at roxy

Hmm I'd like to meet whomever wherever for the Roxy show :P
yeah I just heard Why Does MY hEart feel so bad on a Buffy the vampire
slayer promo
neat stuff...
anyways
umm
bye
chris

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Issues

- --- Joseph Parkes <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> Caps, Maybe I'm Thick, but isn't it a little
> hard to distinguish between joke and serious,
> especially since we don't know the person.

Touche.  Point well taken.  However, I assume the
best from everyone until they give me otherwise.
An attitude that has made a lot of friends and
gotten me hurt a few times.

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:00:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby at roxy

yeah...so we should get like a headcount of all the people going to see him
at the Roxy....we can all have a little mobility party of our own you
know...perhaps even find some way to invite Moby ( wishful thinking) and
party the whole nite...well...take care...elie

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:06:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby at Roxy

does the roxy have a balcony a la irving plaza?

Robyn

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:37:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) messy people + re:t-shirts

In a message dated 9/27/99 2:33:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< it's proper net manners to not
 use them. >>

  Beautifuly said.

                            ~Felicia

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:40:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Skittles, age, and me

In a message dated 9/27/99 3:08:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< When I was 6, Moby was 5!!! >>


 Must be nice!!

                    ~Felicia

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:31:16 PDT
From: "trance former" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) ANOTHER MOBY COMMERCIAL...

sup all,

man, how far is this going to go, Porcelain is the latest of Moby commercial
uses, and for a Baileys to boot, what tha fuck, i thought Moby didn't drink,
and tha main thing for me is that Porcelain is my favourite and must
emotional song EVER, Moby or not...well i just have to hope he'll use that
money wisely again, charaties, etc...

...ya just saw tha latest Bodyrock video, pretty funny, Moby and his kewl
glasses, but, man that song is really annoying, it's his worst in my
books...

anywayz, i'll be happier next time...

peace

djAHIMSA

DO FORGET ABOUT EARTHDANCE!!!CHECK LOCAL LISTINGS

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:20:45 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) values...

>man, how far is this going to go, Porcelain is the latest of Moby
commercial
>uses,

Why do you have to demonize the dollar?  If averice is one's main and only
driving goal in life, if it takes one over to the point that they destroy
others for profit, or because of indifference, then I can see the evils of
commercialism.  As moby himself has noted on this list, he has had to find a
healthy medium road between "selling out" as people have accused him of and
performing and creating for himself.  What's it matter?  First off, I'm sure
his record company is responsible for his tracks being used in commercials,
aside from apossible royalty check or maybe some oral authorization,I'm sure
he had no role in it whatsoever.  Moby's making a buck, but more importantly
he's making music.  Money and commercialism is merely a secondary effect.
If his music didn't apeal to anyone, no record company would give him a
contract, he woulnd't make any more music, he's flip burgers or use his
degree for more constructive endeavors.  Just because your favorite moby
song ends up on MTV(if you happen to hate MTV) or on a commercial doesn't
mean anything beyond this:  the company needed a background song.  It
doesn't mean that capitalism is in herently evil.  It doesn't mean that the
artist has sold out.  It doesn't mean his company has screwed him, and it
doesn't mean the music industry is a sham.  It's merely business as usual.
Just be happy that moby can make a living(which he has to do
regardless!)doing something he loves and that we can enjoy.

>and for a Baileys to boot, what tha fuck, i thought Moby didn't drink,

I have noticed alot of people on this list doing this--projecting their
values on moby(though this may not be the case in this instance, and I
appologize if it is, but moby is not a "straight edge")  People have assumed
that he is "christian" or "vegan" or abstinate, or bi, or gay, or whatever
they happen to be.  Everytime an instance comes up contridicting their
preconcieved notions, they always write something like, "I thought moby
didn't drive cars because of pollution" or "I thought Moby didn't date porn
stars because he's christian" or something equally mundane.

First: I listen to moby for his music, not hsi politics or religion, or
anything else.  I could be diametrically opposed to everything he believes
and still enjoy his music.  Why?  Because his music has VERY LITTLE to do
with his beliefs.  He may sample some gospel, or he may have the occasional
lyrical part regarding how "everything is wrong"  but none of it implies any
specific politics.  Only the occasional essay that he inserts into his CD
covers are politically oriented.  90% of his tracks don't even have any
lyrics.  Are you telling me that instruments and electronically produced
sounds can convey complex ideas?  Of course not.  Moby's politics may be a
topic of discussion and interest, but they certainly are extrinsic of his
music.  Other than his essays and his personal writings or statements, I
don't think anyone can or should draw conclusions regarding his beliefs,
politics, or anything else.

Moby writes and performs good music.  Try listening to it for what it is,
good music.

Chris Bourke.

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