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Re: (mobility) I'm so happy and so sorry
Re[2]: (mobility) Re[2]:  Chicago
Re: (mobility) getting Play (was 'gwen')
RE: (mobility) I'm so happy and so sorry
(mobility) Skate Video
(mobility) Porcelain
(mobility) PLAY on CDNow
Re: (mobility) 'gwen'
Re: (mobility) 'gwen'
Re: (mobility) 'gwen'
Re: (mobility) 'gwen'

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:44:48 +0200
From: "Van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I'm so happy and so sorry

I wrote:
>> I think Moby should have released 2 versions of Play, this one and a
>>2CD for real Moby fans with the long versions of the tracks.


Then Chris Kloehr wrote:
> Kind of sad that the INCREDIBLE work he has done is not acceptable
>to certain REAL moby fans.............come on, some people would criticize
>anything...........
>
> I think it is nice to see that he can "show off" being able to touch
>all genres of music in one album.


I didn't say Play is not a nice record...It's GREAT!
And hey, if for some reason a 2 CD version came out and you could
choose between the 2CD and the regular, wouldn't you buy the 2 CD?
I'm not complaining about Play, I was just thinking what it would be like
if Play were a 2CD and I just happened to like that idea.
I'm terribly sorry for sharing this idea with Mobility if it offended
anyone...

Hey Chris, no hard feelings OK?

Hmm, Gwen stefani vocals on South Side, sounds interesting.
I like music from Moby with female vocalists!

Bart

===============================================
Now playing:
Moby - Natural Blues

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:28:18 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) Re[2]:  Chicago



     hey, that REALLY helps! Thanks.

     Maybe I'll check out a few one night. Maybe Friday .... hmmm ...

     - Jayson


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re[2]:  Chicago
Author:  [e-mail] at INTERNET
Date:    05/19/1999 2:28 AM




On Mon, 17 May 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

>      I will be in Chicago May 26 - May 30. Was wondering if you knew of any
>      cool places to go other than the shops mentioned. Maybe a place with a
>      good DJ for Wed. Thurs. or Fri. night??

My, personal views:

CroBar   - Club, good music, a little snooty though.  Where Moby
           spun a couple weeks back.
Karma    - big hit or miss.  I saw Sasha spin there Saturday.  Club.
           I've been there on nights where the mood was almost erotic, and
           other nights when I thought I woke up in frat hell.
Voyeur   - Some good music, only been there once but the people were
           really hot and couldn't dance for shit.  Club.
RedDog   - Bar/club - haven't been there in a while, but they have
           some sweet DJs come through once in a while
MadBar   - Bar with some good funky DJs, getting a bit trendy though
SmartBar - complete hole in the ground, under the Metro, small, but I've
           heard some WICKED tunes spun here.  Hit or miss.
Neo      - bar/goth club.  I'm not that into Inustrial/Goth, but EVERY
           time I go there its fun.  Small club.

That's off the top of my head - there are many others.  Thursdays are big
club nights in Chicago...any of the larger ones will have shit going on.

Come to think of it, is there anywhere on the web that actually REVIEWS
clubs?  You can pick up a Reader in Chicago and it will tell you some
basic info, but there is no way to know what does and does not suck.

Hope that helps a little - I've been less into the club scene lately, so
I'm not sure how much that'll help....

- -G



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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:04:25 +0200
From: "Van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) getting Play (was 'gwen')

Michaela Gerstner wrote:
>gwen volunteered to sing, not caring about $$ or anything, she just wanted
>to be a part of something.  it takes real musicians to make music for fun
and
>not for $$.


Yeah, I don't see the Backstreet Boys call Moby and ask him to join a
private
jam session in the studio with his guitar!

I wonder how that would sound! Ha Ha


>as for all of you already getting PLAY, i'm jealous!!!  i have to wait
until
>june, being in the states and all.  ::sigh!::  maybe i'll be able to find
it
>online.  does anyone know any european sites that already have it?????


Try http://www.musicmailexpress.com/  (it is based in the Netherlands)
You can order on a secure server, I believe, I'm not completely sure.
I have browsed this site a lot, but I never ordered anything there, so
please don't ask me questions about this site, ok?

Bart

'gee incredible Elmo, it never hurts to help!'

Eek the cat


Are there any more Eek the cat fans out there?

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:11:35 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I'm so happy and so sorry

    > I didn't say Play is not a nice record...It's GREAT!
    > And hey, if for some reason a 2 CD version came out and you could
    > choose between the 2CD and the regular, wouldn't you buy the 2 CD?

    [Chris Kloehr]  I agree, I think that the 2CD remix of EIW is one of
my favorite mix cds.

> Hey Chris, no hard feelings OK?
>
    [Chris Kloehr]  Of course not........

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:42:05 -0600
From: Chris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Skate Video

i was watching a bit of a skate video with my brother today, called "the
end", and during one of the sequences, "hymn", "god moving over the face of
the waters", and "everything is wrong" were all played during a series of
slow motion skateboarding bits.  then in the end, the skateboarder got his
head chopped off.  a rather interesting video, but i thought it was neat
that it had moby on the soundtrack.  by the way, i got my autographed CD
today, and i must say i was very pleased.  i didn't expect him to address
the CD to me, so that was a very pleasent surprise.

p.s.  anyone here into oakenfold, sasha & digweed, etc?  how is the 2CD
version of Northern Exposure 1?  is it worth $26?  i have bothe ditions of
volume 2 and expeditions, and i was considering ordering part 1.  thanks.


Chris Perkins        It's nice to be important,
[e-mail]        but it's more important to be nice.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:55:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Porcelain


Anyone notice that Porcelain is on the US version of PLay (18 songs), but not
on the double vinyl???  Wonder why ...

- - Jayson

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:59:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) PLAY on CDNow

Thanks for the tip about CDNOW having PLAY!

BTW - I am very impressed with every song on the new album (except 7 - kinda
weird)!

I would hate for MOby to do the SAME stuff over and over again and THIS stuff
seems really great and NEW and refreshing! I can't wait for his concert May
31st, then JUNE 1st! Whooo-hooo!  Good job MOBY!

- - Jayson

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:54:06 -0700
From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) 'gwen'

- ----------
> From: christian <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (mobility) 'gwen'
> Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 8:21 AM
>
> now don't we all fell silly!!!
>

no!!!!!!

why would we feel silly?  just because moby gave his two cents, why should
we all change our opinions on the subject at hand?  i really doubt moby
wants people to be parrots and tell him exactly what he wants to hear.  i
refuse to change my mind just because moby thinks something different.

i still have a problem with gwen.  but that's just because i think she
gives a totally crappy message to young gurls trying to make their way thru
the system.  how many little girls did i see running around wearing
revealing tank tops after no doubt broke thru on mtv/much music?  granted,
the spice girls are equally responsible for 8 year olds dressing like
they're 18, but don't even get me started on their irresponsible use of the
word feminism....  and anyway, we had this debate about a year ago on the
list, and i really doubt anyone wants to have this debate again anytime
soon.

anyway.
no disrespect out to moby for working with another musical "artist" (and im
using "artist" in quotations because i think that point is debateable....).
 but no respect goes out to anyone who will change their beliefs just cuz
moby said so.  that is sooo not cool in my books.  then again, im just a
chick.  my opinions don't really count, do they? it seems to be that a girl
has to be "hot" to get any respect around here... or anywhere for that
matter...  but c'est la f*cking vie.

*ahem*

now that i got that out....
im normally not such a spaz.  but people tend to do this to me! i am a
product of my environment!!! (yeah, like any court would buy that.... heh)
so yeah.  flame away if you feel like it.  if im not a nice crispy outside
with a still slightly tender inside by this time tomorrow, i'll be very
disapointed in you all ;)

peace.

- -kelbert

np: ani difranco mixed tape. whooo hoooo! ani rules!

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:42:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kitty Watermelon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) 'gwen'

    Maybe I'm too young to feel the bitterness you express, Kelbert?
I certainly hope it's more that I'm a product of -my- environment, but I
guess I won't really know for a good long while.  See, I dress very
conservetively, and it's not that my friends all do, or that half of my
highschool does, we fought the battle of the spaghetti straps this year.
But rather that it's how I feel comfortable.  I listen to no doubt, I
think gwen is gorgeous in their "Don't Speak" video...and yet I feel no
intense urge to lable her a "feminist" and for that matter respect her
more than some "feminisits" I know.  She was barefoot in that video, for
at least a short segment.  And no, it didn't inspire me, but rather it
backed up what I already believed.  Because I've found in this world, you
have to find people who do what you do, rather than try to do what
everyone else is doing.  There's just too many people to copy otherwise.
    And I do live in NM, a very small corner of a very select
community.  In which I have been encouraged to be different to such an
extent that I -look- for other girls I could find attractive...as opposed
to chasing boys?  So maybe in general we're kind of odd.  But then, I'm
very glad.  I hope I never have to endure shifting opinions in my own
life, or too many wannabes who haven't found themselves yet.  But I
wouldn't worry too much about the younger generations.  There's a lot to
sort out, and yeah some of them are filing too much in the "lash out"
offense catagory of late, but usually they figure it out very well.
Despite horrendous parenting and some questionable role models.  But in
any case, I do not feel that gwen is a negative role model.  If you want
her to get out of music, then you should force half of all parents out of
parenting because she's a better role model than them.  But that's a
drastic point...mainly I just mean to say that, despite not really liking
her singing style, it gets old, I really respect her more as a public or
private figure than I do many of the other people I know.
    And yeah, I know what you mean about changing opinions just
because Mody gave his...but having never give mine you'll have to take my
word for it that this is mine, true and undoctored.  But it is very nice
to hear something good said about her.  She gets a lot of flack, and no
one can deserve that.  Anyways, my lengthy piece has been said now.  This
is in no way intended to be a flame, to anyone.  I simply mean to fill in
a few blank assumptions being made?  Anyhow.  I'll leave lie now.
    Have a good one, all.  ^_^
                            pickle
                [e-mail]
         "If you let your spirit out, where would it go?"

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: christian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) 'gwen'

i wrote-now don't we all feel silly!!!

kelbert wrote-

well-you all know what she wrote, and it pissed me
off!! so i'm gonna tell her what I think now!! seeing
how i am the one that wrote that inoccent little line.

     first and foremost-it's all in how you interperet
it now is'nt it? all i meant is that 1) we where
making such a big deal out of it-like maybe she saved
his life or something  2) part of what we where making
a big deal about is her shitty voice-and it turns out
he was thanking her for singing. it does'nt mean i
like her damn voice. in fact, i agreed with you about
her voice if you recall.
     so why should YOU feel silly. because YOU took a
harmless little sentence and turned into something
that you felt warranted a personal attack!!
     i'm sure your right when you say "i really doubt
moby wants people to be parrots and tell him exactly
what he wants to hear. i refuse to change my mind just
because moby thinks something different." but the
thing is-nobody asked YOU to change YOUR mind!

you:"i still have a problem with gwen.  but that's
just because i think she gives a totally crappy
message to young gurls trying to make their way thru
the system.  how many little girls did i see running
around wearing
revealing tank tops after no doubt broke thru on
mtv/much music? granted,the spice girls are equally
responsible for 8 year olds dressing like
they're 18"
me:give me a damn break! this is just as bad as
blaming the school shootings on muscic. it is a
parent(s) responsibility to raise there children
appropriately and no matter how much influence
music,television and movies have on children it is
still there parent that allows them to walk out the
door looking that way. and it's still the parent(s) or
gaurdians responsiblity to explain why it is or is'nt
appropriate.


you:"but don't even get me started on their
irresponsible use of theword feminism....  and anyway,
we had this debate about a year ago on the
list, and i really doubt anyone wants to have this
debate again anytime soon."
me:get you started,i don't think you have the
slightest idea what the word "feminism" means-first of
all(but more on that in a second). as far as the list
goes, i was'nt on it a year ago, and judging from the
way people use it now, i would'nt have lasted that
long.  does anybody ever discuss anything
intellegently or just go around pointing fingers and
telling everyone what's wrong with them?

so OBVIOUSLY you have a problem with gwen! to that
let's add "then again, im just a chick.  my opinions
don't really count, do they? it seems to be that a
girl has to be "hot" to get any respect around here...
or anywhere for that matter...  but c'est la f*cking
vie." and to that i will begin with FEMINISM-ADVOCACY
OF THE POLITICAL AND SOCIOECONOMIC EQUALITY OF MEN AND
WOMEN. no where, and i repeat NO WHERE does it say
that because your a "chick" that it gives you the
right to maliciously attack people for making simple
comments in an open forum. and because a couple of
people, myself NOT being one of them, comment on how
they think gwen is "hot"-it does not make them a
chauvinist or a pig or anything else, except human.
so, again, YOU attacking us(men) is way worse than
anything that has been said on this list about
"chicks" since i've been involved. and if you have
such a problem with it then go out and do something
constructive, rather then passing your negativity on
to someone who's never done you harm and never would.
oh! and since gwen is'nt on the list and i don't have
a friggin clue what you look like, what the hell does
you being "hot" have to do with it?!?!? i could care
less what you look like-if you've got something good
to say-I WILL listen.

so...as far as "but no respect goes out to anyone who
will change their beliefs just cuz moby said so.  that
is sooo not cool in my books." goes...i could care
less!! i did'nt ask for, don't want and don't need
YOUR respect. i have enough self respect to take care
of that..maybe something you need a little help with.
and your opinion as to whether or not i'm cool means
about as much as the dog crap i scraped off my shoe
and flung aside last night.....nothing!!

gahhh!! you:"now that i got that out....
im normally not such a spaz.  but people tend to do
this to me! i am a product of my environment!!!"
people?! PEOPLE!?!? you mean the people that you will
have to be dealing with for the rest of your life if
you ever leave the house? those people? the people you
have to go to school with-work with-stand in line at
the grocery store with? are those the people your
refering to?!? that is a blanket statement that could
not possibly deal with what your real problem
is....what that is..i don't have a clue!!!! but i hope
you figure it out soon!!

and just to throw one more little bit at ya!! ani
difranco does rule! and she's a "feminist" who uses
the power she has(song & buisnes)in a constructive way
to show both the women and the men of the world what
is wrong. and how(in her opinion)it can be made
better. she speaks from the heart,from the soul,and
from the mind. you speak from some dark angry place
that i don't much care for!!!

bye-christian


ps-damian, this is part of what i have been refering
too. yes, free speech is wonderful. and yes, an open
forum like this is a great place to discuss. but
saying things in  anger and hatred and negativity
about stuff which is'nt even on a subject relating to
the list, just to get people pissed off enough to
leave you a shitty response in return, is not what i
was looking for. my posting, atleast, was meant to
make people laugh. i really love moby, and i like this
list when it's.....i don't know....civil. but twice
already since i've been listening i think it's gone
over that line. i'd like to hang around, but i'm not
sure this is the place for me. peace!! love!! unity!!
respect!! for the U you could insert understanding! we
could all use some.



_____________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: christian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) 'gwen'

i wrote-now don't we all feel silly!!!

kelbert wrote-

well-you all know what she wrote, and it pissed me
off!! so i'm gonna tell her what I think now!! seeing
how i am the one that wrote that inoccent little line.

     first and foremost-it's all in how you interperet
it now is'nt it? all i meant is that 1) we where
making such a big deal out of it-like maybe she saved
his life or something  2) part of what we where making
a big deal about is her shitty voice-and it turns out
he was thanking her for singing. it does'nt mean i
like her damn voice. in fact, i agreed with you about
her voice if you recall.
     so why should YOU feel silly. because YOU took a
harmless little sentence and turned into something
that you felt warranted a personal attack!!
     i'm sure your right when you say "i really doubt
moby wants people to be parrots and tell him exactly
what he wants to hear. i refuse to change my mind just
because moby thinks something different." but the
thing is-nobody asked YOU to change YOUR mind!

you:"i still have a problem with gwen.  but that's
just because i think she gives a totally crappy
message to young gurls trying to make their way thru
the system.  how many little girls did i see running
around wearing
revealing tank tops after no doubt broke thru on
mtv/much music? granted,the spice girls are equally
responsible for 8 year olds dressing like
they're 18"
me:give me a damn break! this is just as bad as
blaming the school shootings on muscic. it is a
parent(s) responsibility to raise there children
appropriately and no matter how much influence
music,television and movies have on children it is
still there parent that allows them to walk out the
door looking that way. and it's still the parent(s) or
gaurdians responsiblity to explain why it is or is'nt
appropriate.


you:"but don't even get me started on their
irresponsible use of theword feminism....  and anyway,
we had this debate about a year ago on the
list, and i really doubt anyone wants to have this
debate again anytime soon."
me:get you started,i don't think you have the
slightest idea what the word "feminism" means-first of
all(but more on that in a second). as far as the list
goes, i was'nt on it a year ago, and judging from the
way people use it now, i would'nt have lasted that
long.  does anybody ever discuss anything
intellegently or just go around pointing fingers and
telling everyone what's wrong with them?

so OBVIOUSLY you have a problem with gwen! to that
let's add "then again, im just a chick.  my opinions
don't really count, do they? it seems to be that a
girl has to be "hot" to get any respect around here...
or anywhere for that matter...  but c'est la f*cking
vie." and to that i will begin with FEMINISM-ADVOCACY
OF THE POLITICAL AND SOCIOECONOMIC EQUALITY OF MEN AND
WOMEN. no where, and i repeat NO WHERE does it say
that because your a "chick" that it gives you the
right to maliciously attack people for making simple
comments in an open forum. and because a couple of
people, myself NOT being one of them, comment on how
they think gwen is "hot"-it does not make them a
chauvinist or a pig or anything else, except human.
so, again, YOU attacking us(men) is way worse than
anything that has been said on this list about
"chicks" since i've been involved. and if you have
such a problem with it then go out and do something
constructive, rather then passing your negativity on
to someone who's never done you harm and never would.
oh! and since gwen is'nt on the list and i don't have
a friggin clue what you look like, what the hell does
you being "hot" have to do with it?!?!? i could care
less what you look like-if you've got something good
to say-I WILL listen.

so...as far as "but no respect goes out to anyone who
will change their beliefs just cuz moby said so.  that
is sooo not cool in my books." goes...i could care
less!! i did'nt ask for, don't want and don't need
YOUR respect. i have enough self respect to take care
of that..maybe something you need a little help with.
and your opinion as to whether or not i'm cool means
about as much as the dog crap i scraped off my shoe
and flung aside last night.....nothing!!

gahhh!! you:"now that i got that out....
im normally not such a spaz.  but people tend to do
this to me! i am a product of my environment!!!"
people?! PEOPLE!?!? you mean the people that you will
have to be dealing with for the rest of your life if
you ever leave the house? those people? the people you
have to go to school with-work with-stand in line at
the grocery store with? are those the people your
refering to?!? that is a blanket statement that could
not possibly deal with what your real problem
is....what that is..i don't have a clue!!!! but i hope
you figure it out soon!!

and just to throw one more little bit at ya!! ani
difranco does rule! and she's a "feminist" who uses
the power she has(song & buisnes)in a constructive way
to show both the women and the men of the world what
is wrong. and how(in her opinion)it can be made
better. she speaks from the heart,from the soul,and
from the mind. you speak from some dark angry place
that i don't much care for!!!

bye-christian


ps-damian, this is part of what i have been refering
too. yes, free speech is wonderful. and yes, an open
forum like this is a great place to discuss. but
saying things in  anger and hatred and negativity
about stuff which is'nt even on a subject relating to
the list, just to get people pissed off enough to
leave you a shitty response in return, is not what i
was looking for. my posting, atleast, was meant to
make people laugh. i really love moby, and i like this
list when it's.....i don't know....civil. but twice
already since i've been listening i think it's gone
over that line. i'd like to hang around, but i'm not
sure this is the place for me. peace!! love!! unity!!
respect!! for the U you could insert understanding! we
could all use some.



_____________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

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