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mobility-digest         Tuesday, May 11 1999         Volume 01 : Number 391



Re: (mobility) "Run On" video
(mobility) run on 120
Re: (mobility) Sell-outs
(mobility) Evil Ninja Dj Appearances.
Re: (mobility) hymn 33.3333333333
Re: (mobility) hymn 33.3333333333
(mobility) Moby in Denver
(mobility) I'm new
Re: (mobility) RE: my little obsession
Re: (mobility) Sell-outs
Re: (mobility) hymn 33.3333333333
Re: (mobility) Sell-outs
Re: (mobility) Sell-outs
Re: (mobility) Sell-outs
Re: (mobility) Use FRIGGIN THANKS II in the subject!!!!
Re: (mobility) I'm new
(mobility) Re:Sell-outss

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:11:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) "Run On" video

dammit dammit dammit....what time was it on cuz i left it on and a dozed off
for a bit and then when i woke up again there was like 2 minutes until 120
minutes was over ...oh well..later..elie

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.I.P. KEMISTRY" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) run on 120

damn some1ne already posted that 1ne20enty played run
on. well i saw it anyway, its pretty good, altho it
has nothin to do with the song. i really do hope mtv
plays more of it.


cant wait for that Radiohead special next week!

Sifl & Olly is on 4our times this week, according to
my newspapers tv guide! woohoo!!!!!!!!!

oh yes, WPKN is done with fundraising now! but of
course you could always send money to them! and you
can listen online to WPKN 24 hours a day at
<http://www.wpkn.org> ! you need a RealAudio G2! ill
tell u all when im DJing or whateva.

ok bye!
===
"Before Armstrong took his stance, she'd been there with friends
They took all instruments and recorded on the moon"-Stereolab,
from "International Colouring Contest" from their brilliant
album _Mars Audiac Quintet_
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: christian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sell-outs

- -who cares about the intentions to make a song
> you actually dance to, feel
> the energy from and push the sweat out of your body
> in the rhytm of. does
> anyone ?
>
> kohut-i agree! 100%

peace-christian
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:15:37 PDT
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Evil Ninja Dj Appearances.

I remember a while back reading that Moby would do a DJ appearance in
Denver,CO in the end of May. Does anyone know when this is, or where? If it
has not happened yet, is anyone planning on going? I am pretty sure I will
be (first time seeing moby live after many years of waiting)...if you plan
on going, email me or something if you want.

I have been having trouble with my email and such so I am sorry if this has
been said many times. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

As for other moby news...once again a local radio station is using Moby's
music for background music and music for their annoucements (yet they don't
play it even after requests). I heard two songs this past week...I heard
Honey as background...and then Porcelain used for an advertisement...well at
least its good to hear moby coming from something other than my own stereo.

NP: "Who can you trust?"- Morcheeba
Jake
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:36:28 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) hymn 33.3333333333

>ok-so i'm not all that steeped in knowledge of the
>bible-or christianity in general. but a friend(who
>is)and i were recently having a conversation about the
> bible eluding to the fact that only 1/3 of the
>population will be saved.

Um... where does the Bible say this?

- --
 The C.O.D.   /   John Turpin   /   <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
"I believe in this reality / But it doesn't answer what it means to me
 My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond"

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: christian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) hymn 33.3333333333

- --- John Turpin <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >ok-so i'm not all that steeped in knowledge of the
> >bible-or christianity in general. but a friend(who
> >is)and i were recently having a conversation about
> the
> > bible eluding to the fact that only 1/3 of the
> >population will be saved.
>
> Um... where does the Bible say this?
>

hey john-i did say twice that i am not all that
knowledgeable of the bible-nor am i a religious
person. obviously you are-so no offense meant. i will
ask him to elaborate tonight and give me specific
book/chapter/verse if possible. he did go to christian
school his whole life and can usually back up anything
he says-but it could also be some line of crap that he
was fed-i really don't know. but i will find out.

peace. love.

christian

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:27:18 -0600
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby in Denver

[was Re: (mobility) Evil Ninja Dj Appearances.]

"Jake M." wrote:
> I remember a while back reading that Moby would do a DJ appearance in
> Denver,CO in the end of May. Does anyone know when this is, or where?

It's at Club Synergy on Friday, May 28.  AFAIK, Moby will be DJing
hard house / progressive house / trance, but I could be wrong.
With any luck, he'll be back again in June or this Summer to do a
concert in Denver.

On May 29, he'll be DJing in the Trancemissions tent at WHFS's big
event in Baltimore at 3:30PM.

On May 31 at 4:30PM, he'll be in Hartford for WMRQ's event.

June 2 at 10:00PM is the big Virgin Megastore event in NYC.

The above when/where/what is my understanding of things.  I might
be wrong about something.  Soon I should be getting more concrete
info.  Things still seem to be in flux now.

Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:05:33 EDT
From: amelia e ricks <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) I'm new

Hello all you out there in Mobyland.  I actually subscribed about a week
ago but I hadn't checked my email since then, didn't know I was actually
supposed to _do_ something (other than lurk, that is).  Any hoo, here's
my intro stuff:
Name:  Amelia
Age: 18
Moby collection: none.  I've never _actually_heard_ Moby, but I've got a
friend who showed me a breif bio on him and I instantly decided that I
want to track him down, give him a hug and a flower and take him to
coffee (THANK YOU JANICE!).  I would like to hear some of his stuff,
though, any suggetions on where to start?
Other music I like:  mostly Rage Against the Machine, Pink Floyd, TOOL,
and classical (Hayden, Motzart, Orff, etc.) with a smattering of whatever
else I happen to hear (Simon&Garfunkel, Mary Chapin Carpenter, John
Lennon, Metallica, etc.). Other interesting schtuff:  I love planted
aquariums, guppies, and salamaders.  Oh, and VEGANS KICK ASS!!!!

now back to lurking............


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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:38:31 -0700
From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: my little obsession

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> From: 7135 THOMAS  R BRADLEY <[e-mail]>
> To: '[e-mail]'
> Subject: (mobility) RE: my little obsession
> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 5:51 AM
>
>
>
>       Ok, I have tried Def, Mute, and others. But can not get hold of
> the fucking sheet music for face it. Please please, anybody, help.
>

hmm... have you tried a guitar tab site at all?  maybe you can find one
that you can post requests of songs to be put down on sheet music.  i
dunno.  that's the only idea that comes to mind from me.  i remember
looking for moby guitar tab when i first got animal rights.  never found it
:(

goodluck on your search

- -kelly

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:33:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sell-outs

the sell-out issue, like any good topic, is a tough one to pin down.
for me, it's better to reach an audience through word of mouth by fans who
really love your stuff, rather than a bunch of trendy imps buying it
'cause it's cool. maybe i just care too much about my music, but i don't
write music to sell shoes. i know the prospect of getting a large amount
of mony for a song i my have written years ago is tempting, but i don't
think i'd do it. this is easy to say since i'm still peddling my own cds
one at a time.
i think artists, like moby, should push to make techno and music in
general a bit more sacred, above the claws of corporate vultures. those
people can't understand the wourld outside of their multi-billion dollar
companies. just think, some guy in a penthouse has gotten rich from years
of various exploitations, and now wants to use your song to exploit you
and all the people who indentify with your music. it's easy to see the
mony and grab it, but think to who it's going. do THEY really need to get
even richer off of YOU?
why not go to various companies that actually HELP other people and just
GIVE them the rights to your song?
too often i think artists have lived too long getting too little. when
they get the chance to get comfortable, they lose sight of what drives
them to create in the first place. i know it's a terrible cliche, but you
somtimes DO have to starve to make interesting art. why work to make
yourself better when you have everything you want?

ok, i've gotten WAY off topic, but would be happy to continue this off
the list if anyone is interested...thanks for listening.

[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
            but i really enjoy thinking."
              Masafumi Sanai-photographer

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:41:37 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) hymn 33.3333333333



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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:43:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sell-outs

In a message dated 99-05-10 22:36:35 EDT, [xaq] wrote:

<< i know it's a terrible cliche, but you
 somtimes DO have to starve to make interesting art.  >>

I completely agree with you here...if you are not a "sell-out" working for
some big corporation's personal agenda, then you have more breathing room to
use towards your advantage along with the ability to move your music to new
creative levels...if that means not getting those multi-million dollar
contracts in order to do the type of music you want to do, than maybe that is
the better way to go...I would hate to sign with a big label and have them
tell me how I should be doing my music...I feel that the music industry has
become too focused on the business aspect over the music....labels now just
sign bands that are popular, exploit them for a record or two and then dump
them....it disgusts me...oh well...anyways, that is the extent of my
bitching...later!

- -Fil

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:15:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sell-outs

   wow thats brilliant . we all sell out people get over it. Maybe all the
stone throwers
should start looking at themselves and start doing something , rather than
belittle
the people who have.

                              loves and kisses
                                                      peanut.

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In a message dated 99-05-09 12:58:59 EDT, [xaq] wrote:

<<  now it's just a bunch of sell out techno artists >>

I don't mean to upset you xaq, but I wanted to bring this point up....I
always hear people complain one way or another about sell-out techno artists
and all...I can't understand why people get so pissy over a thing like
that...I would actually be more excited rather than pissy....now, that artist
has a wider spectrum of people to speak out to...bigger labels, bigger
markets...plus, if you were an underground musician and some major label came
up to you and offered you $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ contract, wouldn't you sign?  do
music for music, but if the money comes, then hey...go for it!!  I would take
it up....not only would you be making it big, but you would have a larger fan
base, better promotion, and play larger venues with super stars like hanson
and the spice girls and that very sexy but still jailbait Brittney
Spears..mmmm..yummy... anyways, I am getting off the subject....I don't know
what else I can say...I am sure that there are many of you out there would
either agree or disagree with me, but either way, I would like to hear what
you all got to say....Later!!!

PimpMaster Funk-D Fil-G GrandPoppa Homey Killa The Incestual Monkey
(A.K.A.-White Chocolate)

P.S.-I am not sure about this, but by the definition of the term "sell-out",
wouldn't Moby be a "sell-out"???

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 05:51:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sell-outs

On Mon, 10 May 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> I completely agree with you here...if you are not a "sell-out" working for
> some big corporation's personal agenda, then you have more breathing room to
> use towards your advantage along with the ability to move your music to new
> creative levels...if that means not getting those multi-million dollar
> contracts in order to do the type of music you want to do, than maybe that is

Okay, I don't usually get involved in these types of conversations, but
this is one I DO feel strongly about.

There is a common assumption that FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL = SELL-OUT +
ARTISTIC COMPROMISE.  Why is it that this is the default assumption?  Why
is it assumed that if you sign with a large record company you are
suddenly regulated and your artistic integrity is compromised?

This simply is NOT true 100% of the time.  I'd like to think that
sometimes you get to do what you like doing, and occasionally you get a
company or organization behind you that HELPS you grow.  While I certainly
can't speak about Moby or any of his contracts, as I know *NOTHING* about
them, IMHO it is incredibly ignorant to assume anything about the effects
of such contracts without KNOWING about them.  If signing one of those big
contracts does restrict someone's artistic growth, hell, that's their
decision.  Yeah, maybe they don't pump out what we want them to....but
that's their call, no?

In the end, who are we to judge?

Another thing that cracks me up are all the people that HAVE to listen to
an unknown band.  But the funny part is, what do most people do when they
like a band or artist?  They tell their friends about it.  Do they keep it
to themselves?  No.  They tell everyone they can about it - and then when
that band does go big, they do get acknowledged, and people do notice,
they are deemed sell-outs.  Huh?

Again, IMHO, good music can stand on its own legs - it doesn't need a
motive, or lack-there-of, tagged along with it.

Okay, enough - it's late....time for bed.

- -G

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:42:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Use FRIGGIN THANKS II in the subject!!!!

On Sat, 1 May 1999, Ade wrote:

> My nomination is that we set a deadline of July 1st.  That will give an
> additional 2 months for whoever wants to contribute.

This is good.  Let's tentatively set this as the new date.

> In the meantime, we should post the tracks that have been submitted
> online so that the rest of the members can make their own judgments.
> I'm sure you have good taste Greg, but yeah, I think the majority of
> us should be able to vote on the tracks before going into production.
> Maybe real audio format?  If you need

Agreed - the list should vote.  I am on the road again (yeah, yeah, I
know, I suck) but when I get home, I'll start moving everything on-line.

Its 4am so this one is going to be short.  Thank you, everyone, who has
contributed to this and has voiced opinions about this.  We will get it
done, and it will kick ass.  But right now, time for bed.

G'night,

- -G

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:17:59 +0200
From: "Van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I'm new

Welcome to the list Amelia!

You wrote:
>Moby collection: none.  I've never _actually_heard_ Moby, but I've got a
>friend who showed me a brief bio on him and I instantly decided that I
>want to track him down, give him a hug and a flower and take him to
>coffee (THANK YOU JANICE!).  I would like to hear some of his stuff,
>though, any suggetions on where to start?

>Other music I like:  mostly Rage Against the Machine, Pink Floyd,
>Metallica...

Well, here are some suggestions (considering the fact that you like
'psychedelic music' (Pink Floyd) and hard rock...)

# Moby - Animal Rights  (1996)
[moby's punk-rock album]

# Voodoo Child - The End Of Everything  (1996)
[tranquil, melodic electronic music] NOTE: Voodoo Child = Moby!


Or you can get Moby's most commercial albums:

# Moby - i like to score  (1997)
[compilation of songs Moby did for film soundtracks (various musical
styles)]

# Moby - Everything Is Wrong  (1995)
[Moby's 'commercial break-through' album (various musical styles)]

**NOTE: Moby's new album called 'Play' will be released on:**
- - May 17 in the UK and Europe
- - June 1 in the USA and Canada
- - June 7 in Japan


Bart van Eijck

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Tip of the day:
Madonna - Nothing really matters (Kruder & Dorfmeister mix)  11:10

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:47:02 -0500
From: "you" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re:Sell-outss

i like that re: down there.  it made me write.

i don't think moby's a sellout at all.  if you were offered a nice juicey
contract i seriously doubt that you would turn it down.  things like this
can not be judged as they happen i don't think.  moby was on instinct.  that
was nice.  not that i was around to read mobilitymails thru moby's whole
elektra/mute "era", but was he a sellout because he had a mute contract
according to some of you.  electra/mute is one hell of a mountain to be
ponedering about on.  what did he do?  AR in my opinion was not much an
attempt to sell out as play does not seem to be.  play is a great album in
my opinion,  i'm sure when i have it it will rank up there next to my soul
with AR and othr random tracks i love.  How bout the prodigy.  you wanna
talk about sellouts, i think they fit the tee well.  Moby can be a sell-out
i think.  and just maybe some day he'll decide to sellout moby and idunno
AKA as something different.  i don't want to think too hard now.

<<filthy27@aol>>>I feel that the music industry has
become too focused on the business aspect over the music....labels now just
sign bands that are popular, exploit them for a record or two and then dump
them....it disgusts me<<<>>

moby is one of the few artists that i listen to that consistantly amazes me.
and it's in all of his music.  it does suck this happens.  nomatter what i
think he'll be around somehow.  i wonder if he'll ever go back to elektra
for another I Like2 Score.

actually, um- does anybody know what his contract 's figures are?  forget
that question.  does anybody know what the contract includes??  could this
be where concert nfo is, or could it be a whole bunch of contracts with the
same company?  simply random record deals when ideas come or something?
idunno.  it all makes my head spin to think about how it actually went/goes
down.

ohhhhh-kay!!!?..
i have a no brainer 4 anybody who knows-  i don't know the
answer.  i'm wondering what color moby's eye's are cuz' i sort of reworked a
b/w charcole drawing on photoshop-colorin' it and makin'akslfjd making it
look
more like a photo.  his eyes have no color.  but everything else does.  it's
strange.  of all the picks i have of moby i don't know what color his eyes
are.

tommy-

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sell-outs


>
>
>On Mon, 10 May 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> I completely agree with you here...if you are not a "sell-out" working
for
>> some big corporation's personal agenda, then you have more breathing room
to
>> use towards your advantage along with the ability to move your music to
new
>> creative levels...if that means not getting those multi-million dollar
>> contracts in order to do the type of music you want to do, than maybe
that is
>
>Okay, I don't usually get involved in these types of conversations, but
>this is one I DO feel strongly about.
>
>There is a common assumption that FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL = SELL-OUT +
>ARTISTIC COMPROMISE.  Why is it that this is the default assumption?  Why
>is it assumed that if you sign with a large record company you are
>suddenly regulated and your artistic integrity is compromised?
>
>This simply is NOT true 100% of the time.  I'd like to think that
>sometimes you get to do what you like doing, and occasionally you get a
>company or organization behind you that HELPS you grow.  While I certainly
>can't speak about Moby or any of his contracts, as I know *NOTHING* about
>them, IMHO it is incredibly ignorant to assume anything about the effects
>of such contracts without KNOWING about them.  If signing one of those big
>contracts does restrict someone's artistic growth, hell, that's their
>decision.  Yeah, maybe they don't pump out what we want them to....but
>that's their call, no?
>
>In the end, who are we to judge?
>
>Another thing that cracks me up are all the people that HAVE to listen to
>an unknown band.  But the funny part is, what do most people do when they
>like a band or artist?  They tell their friends about it.  Do they keep it
>to themselves?  No.  They tell everyone they can about it - and then when
>that band does go big, they do get acknowledged, and people do notice,
>they are deemed sell-outs.  Huh?
>
>Again, IMHO, good music can stand on its own legs - it doesn't need a
>motive, or lack-there-of, tagged along with it.
>
>Okay, enough - it's late....time for bed.
>
>-G
>
>
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so you can use outlook if you like to.  try it if you like.  but i don't
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