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mobility-digest      Wednesday, February 3 1999      Volume 01 : Number 325



Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Re: (mobility) boring
(mobility) Goldie
Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
Re: (mobility) Anyone know Moby's background?
Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it asshole!
Re: (mobility) videos
Re: (mobility) boring
Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it
Re: (mobility) videos
(mobility) vegetarianism
(mobility) So... Where you from?
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #322
Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:30:10 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan

must... not... start... huge fight.

Oh go on, be a devil

Ed

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:34:04 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring

God, thank fucking god that some one else can speak up. I remember
last week posting a relly intresting artical which was 100% Moby and
not one person can recall or remark on it ?????????/No i guess that we
all should be in school!




- ---"Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what
is 'on
>
> really?
> for a second i thought it was the history channel.
>
>
>

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Date: 3 Feb 99 15:40:56 CST
From: **** <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Goldie

>>goldie"s saturnz return, a double cd. i guess i'm lucky enough to work =

>>  for =

>>best buy and have friends at rolling stones and tower. =

>>andrew =

  =

>  I paid 7 bucks for it used. Despite the media wrestling with it, I =

> thought it was fabulous. Made me even more of a fan. Saying it wasn't =

>DnB is a total piece of crap, seeing as how it sounded enough like it =

>for me. =


>  d... =


i agree....  Goldie got such a bum rap after this album... in my opinion,=
 it
was the best album of the year.   (of ANY style of music). i can't believ=
e the
bad reaction that "digital" got when it was released.  that song is so
great... not to mention a daring fusion of 2 different styles of music:  =
rap &
drum n bass.  =


Goldie has guts...  one thing that i really admire about him and Metalhea=
dz is
their refusal to get locked in and held down by trying to fit into the dr=
um n
bass "scene."  they don't care what everyone else is doing; if they want =
to
make a drum n bass song then they will, but if they don't, then they don'=
t.   =

they have the courage to do this.  =


here's a page with all my favorite albums from 1998:  (please excuse the
non-loading images... my webspace crashed.) =

[ http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~jwsingle/98.htm ]   :)

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:51:21 -0800
From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities

> And now from Kelly:
>
> >Vegetarianism doesn't mean anything if you "break" it whenever you feel
> >like it.  <snip>

is there another kelly on the list?  just wondering... cause I'm pretty
sure I didnt say that...

and i thought i became a veggie for ethical reasons, but the more i look at
it, the more i realize i'm a veggie is for health reasons.  do i lose
points for that?  my mom had colon cancer which is a diet related cancer.
they removed the affected part of her bowel over the summer, but that's no
money back guarantee that its gone for good.  cancer scares the shit out of
me.  so i try to limit the amount of substances that are believed to be
carcogenic (sorry... wrong spelling... no matter how many times i try to
spell it, i can't get it right) from entering my body.  so maybe this is
why i dont' run out of the room screaming when my boi starts chowing down
on chicken wings...  i just accept it and eat my own meal in peace.  i dont
want to change him, he doesn't want to change me.  awwww... how sweet! :)

now to relate this back to moby...
would HE freak if he went to lunch with someone and they ordered a meat
based meal and proceded to eat it infront of him?  i doubt he would... but
maybe i think that because i know i wouldn't. just as long as they don't
offer me a taste and get offended when i decline.  because yes, enthough
i'm healty veggie gurl, the ethical points are still there in the back of
my mind.  so if tomorrow the front page of the toronto star reads ANIMAL
PRODUCTS HAVE NO RELATION TO CANCER! SCOUTS HONOUR!  i'm not about to go
chow down on a steak anytime soon...

okay. enough veggie talk from me. i'm going off on weird tangets anyway.
chemistry at 8:15 in the morning will do that to you. *groan*
i'll shaddup now.

- -kelly

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:26:42 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Anyone know Moby's background?

I know that he went to UCONN for a while right here in Conn. Although
he droped out!
Peace
Bri




- ---Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I'd be very interested to hear Moby's viewpoint on history and
political
> >theory. ....If anyone knows of any chat transcripts
> >or interviews where Moby discussed issues like these, I'd be very
> >interested.
>
>
> Infact, does anyone know of Moby's educational background?  Did he
go to
> college?  If so, where and what was his degree in?
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:29:38 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it asshole!

Hey Eric
For your information this is the MOBY list, as I my self have been
told so many times befor so keep it to moby or dont respond.......I
hate pressing delete button if I really dont have to plus your
clogging up my mail.
Bri




- ---"Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > SUBJECT?  what is so hard about pressing the delete button before
you are so
> > horribly impeded upon?  No one is making you read buddy!  I
pressed the
> > delete button many a-times when that long ass survey was going on
but I
> > never complained once!  Jesus christ.
>
>
> I'd say that be easy too, but most people don't change the subject,
> so for a subject line that says Moby's Honey, eventually turns into
> an episode from politically correct..
> and then you risk missing moby info when it does come on
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:53:03 -0700
From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos

i think this is a good idea.  i would **love** to do this, since video
is my future career, but i have no access to the needed TV equipment and
others to create the vision i had.  ::sigh!::  as soon as i finish
paying off my computer, i will install a video editor into it.  until
then, i'll just keep dreaming.

i may be able to convince the tv professor at my school to allow me into
his studio even though i haven't completed all the requirements that i
need before i can even touch a video camera here.  arg!  i guess i sound
like a druggie that needs a fix.. i dunno.  i'm half asleep right now,
so this may be jumbled.

anyways, maybe we should talk about this some more.  i know that there
are more video ppl out there...
plov

> Geoffrey Sproule wrote:
>
> why don't some people make music videos to go with moby songs and put
> them on a cd as avi format or mpg files it would make a great tribute
> CD if it was how people visioned moby songs
>
> they could also remix the song
>
> make it a complete mufti media experience
>
> (oh I guess moby has already done that with disk)
>
> but what's to stop the list putting together a fan video thinggy
>
> what do you think

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:55:16 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring

- ---"M. Rice" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> >this list has gone far too boring, and i am too bored to read it
anymore..
>
>
> Then don't.  No one forces anyone to read anything.  Unsubscribe.
It's not
> hard.

Your wrong there I am forced to read and recieve a boat load of non
moby shit on a daily basis and could care less to read it its like
getting the Globe when I have the Times!!!!!


> >i don't really wanna even know your personal moby favourites or
something
> >like that. some point for the mails , please.
>
> This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what
is 'on
> topic,' certainly no one can doubt that personal Moby favorites are on
> topic.  This is a list of Moby fans talking about Moby and his music.


This point I tend to agree with if its moby its here if ya dont want
to know about moby then i would agree with leaving the list.

> >and other thing is that moby's music is ain't as good anymore as it
was
> >back in 92-95.. almost every new produtions are quite awful, i hate
to say
> >that, but i think so.
>
> Good, think it.  Not everyone will agree.

Now that was a stupid comment <think it....>, its people like you that
try to silence people not to hear a point of view. Show some maturity
please unless your 12!!!!

> >personally i have gone more for deep house and stuff like that. I
just love
> >that deep & mood chicago house, that is what good music should be.
i love
> >kevin yost, mood ii swing, wamdue kids, jori hulkkonen , glenn
underground
> >and artists like that. anyone else here who likes too?
>
>
> There is nothing that 'good' music should be.  What defines 'good'
music is
> a person's taste.  I think all of your favorite artists are
worthless shits.
> Besides, this is a Moby list, not a jori hilkkonen list, not even a
deep
> house list.  M-O-B-Y


One again we have an opion the doent compute with the shit bird
attituide of Mr. Fucking Rice, I have a suggestion why not let this
gentleman express his views with out telling him that every word he
writes is shit!
I think the the point that he might be trying to get across is that
this list has been lacking in content and filled with other mindless
shit!
I can now say this because i have tryed and gotten nowhere, so i wait
for good content.

> >moby's music is too "pop" for me nowdays.
>
>
> You sound like an underground kiddie that bitches whenever someone
else
> discovers an "underground" artist, or when an "underground" artist
gets a
> little radio play.
>
again you tell this kid to fuck off. I dont know why you cant take
your own good advice.

Because of shit like this people will start to jump ship and this list
will self destruct.
I would rather not see this happen.
Please show some love!
Peace
Bri

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:58:16 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it

- [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> Personal attacks?   Tim is the only one on this list
> with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.
>
>
> I, for one wasn't trying to get personal just stating my opinion.
> I'm sorry if you find it uninteligent but I am afraid I don't claim
> to be a MENSA member or anything but I still think I am permitted my
> own personal opinion.  I'm sorry if you misconstrued this as a
> personal attack.  It certainly wasn't intended as such.
>
> Ed
>
But does it belong on this list???????
Bri

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:20:54 -0800
From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos

> anyways, maybe we should talk about this some more.  i know that there
> are more video ppl out there...
> plov
>

okay.
i guess i better stand up and get counted.

after seeing the everytime you touch me video for the first time i got
inspired.

the five year film program at simon frasier has been in the back of my mind
ever since.

yeah. so this could be cool.
either that or whoever wants to take part in this can tape a little thing
and if anything, i can edit it all together at my skool... and we can send
it to moby as another one of those "WE LOVE YOU MOBY!!" gifts.

but thats straying from the orignial idea.

- -kelly

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:37:14 -0500
From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) vegetarianism

I think where vegetarianism is concerned, we should consider more what the
individual does that is positive, as opposed to totally disregarding that
and only focusing on the negative.  I don't like the bad vibes I get from
some vegans towards those who are not fully vegan.  I think any change in
the direction of vegetarianism/veganism is positive.  A majority of people
do not practise "cruelty free living" in any way at all, except for
practicality reasons, and for personal concerns such as their own health.
Vegetarians and Vegans should not (and I know it's not intentional, but it
does happen) be divided over orthodoxy and issues such as someone giving in
once a year to eating meat.  Most people lack the will to stop from eating
meat.  If even just one person can become vegetarian, at the stake of
eating one "steak" (forgive the pun) a year, I think it is a victory for
vegetarians and vegans alike, and we should not make them feel
like in some way they have failed.  It wasn't so long ago that I became
vegetarian, and took much will and patience.. my first few attempts were
unsuccessful at cutting meat out.  But no-one criticized me that I had
failed, or perhaps I would have just given up, feeling that I could never
achieve vegetarian/veganism like them.  I was instead reminded of all the
positive changes I had made, which strengthened my resolve the next time I
attempted it.  Perhaps, one day, I will be strictly vegan, but I will do so
at my own choice, and at a time that is right for me.  Until then, I do the
best I can given some of the issues I face.  All ideas start small, and
take form gradually until they are something beautiful and realised.  It is
amazing how just one decision can have such a gigantic impact on the rest
of our lives.

Until later, flame me as you wish, because I practise different ideals and
values, but I would have to say that it would be quite ironic for anyone
who so wants to abolish suffering to launch an all out personal attack on
me.

It's the little details that compose the larger picture...
We all see the artwork through different lenses...
Just as no two snowflakes are the same,
No two people are the same,
And the consequences if we were all to be the same,
Would be catastrophic.

Live, feel, learn, grow
- -Jennafur!

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fearing blindness cannot see"
- -Carl Stephenson

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:54:50 +0900
From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) So... Where you from?

well. I just sat through the mostboring 30 minutes of my life. I got maybe 40
emails from Mobility in a time span fom 3 in the morning to 9 in the morning.
Only 6 hours.  Yet, they weren't about shit. Oh well. I love you guys anyway.

    So. I got a question. Is there anyone on this list of like 300 people (3
historians, 6 surveyers, 4 vegitarians, 30 complainers, and 200 lurkers) that
doesn't live in North America or Western Europe? For example, anything south
of Florida or west or California or east or say france? I was wondering if
there are like 35 Slovakian lurkers or something. Or maybe another Moby fan in
Japan? Or Australia? They speak English there. Anyone? Later.
AJ

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:32:44 PST
From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #322

>SUBJECT?  what is so hard about pressing the delete button before you
are so
>horribly impeded upon?

I never said I was impeded upon. I just thought you might want to bring
the disscussion back around to something remotely Moby related.

No one is making you read buddy!  I pressed the
>delete button many a-times when that long ass survey was going on but I
>never complained once!  Jesus christ.

Why are you so defensive? If you read my post, I think I made my point
in a somewhat gentle manner (maybe sarcastic, but certainly not
threatening enough to incite such a reaction)

>Personal attacks?  My how mature you are.  Tim is the only one on this
list
>with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.

It wasn't a personal attack at all but you responded with one. If Tim is
the only one on this list with enough brains to at least respond in an
intelligent manner then why don't you e-mail him privately, hmmm? Maybe
it's better, nee?

And if you
>had been infact reading my comments instead of demonizing them for me,
you
>would realize that I am as far from Rush as I am from modern
liberalism.

I read your comments. All of them. And I didn't demonize them.  In fact,
I said,

  It's great you express your views and I'm intrigued enough to
>>respond but please tell us more about your Moby-subway experience
>>instead...

So, don't start a war with me.
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:43:53 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:31:09 -0800 "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
writes:

>and you can't expect EVERYONE to be willing to give up EVERYTHING. its
>a nice thought, everyone on the face of the planet going vegan... but
>its not a realistic goal now, is it? personally, i'd rather say "good
for
>you! you've stopped eating meat! i'm glad you found something that makes

>you happy". instead of "shame on you!  put down that cheese pizza! tisk
>tisk tisk... did you know a cow was forcibly impregnated to provide the
>milk for that cheese? here, have some tofu instead".  it just won't work
that
>way...  you can't guilt people into doing something they don't want to
do.
>people need to find their comfort zone.  their "happy medium".  at least

>they're doing SOMETHING.
>


You know, about an hour ago I had a lot to say about this topic.  Then I
hashed it over with my roommate, a fellow vegan, to make sure that I
wasn't out of line.  So I've been discussing ethical
vegetarianism/veganism, conversion tactics, vegetarian/vegan "support
systems", etc. for far too long and Idon't have so much to say now.

But I suppose I still have it left in me to refute some statements that
you made.
I'm not trying to save the world. I don't expect the world to go vegan.
But I'm not going to back down on my priciples and say, "yeah, it's okay
with me if you eat meat/hate blacks/beat your wife if that's what makes
you happy."  (props to kathleen hannah... it's all the same thing.)  I
used to be the sort of vegetarian who when at a dinner table full of
animal-eaters would laugh at their vegetarian jokes and say whatever
necessary to make them feel comfortable in my presence.  And I think that
this isn't what I mean... ugh.  Well, it's like this: Paul is vegetarian
now and that is a beautiful thing.  Truly.  (I don't support him any less
because he's vegetarian, not vegan.)  But rather than discouraging people
by making veganism seem insignificant, as I feel your answer to him did,
we should act with a positive attitude towards the lifestyle choices
we've made ourselves.  We need to encourage others, and never concede to
the attitude that vegetarianism or veganism is just plain impossible for
some people to achieve.

morgan.
(anything that we love can be saved)
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