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mobility-digest       Tuesday, February 2 1999       Volume 01 : Number 317



@@@@Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
(mobility) @@@@Welcome to Chris from Chris
(mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan
Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan
Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan <FINALLY a clip of Porcelain!>
(mobility) "Honey"
(mobility) surv-eh?
Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
(mobility) survey
Re: (mobility) survey
Re: (mobility) thanks2

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:16:14 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: @@@@Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...

>
>
>> I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.
>
>Why, since the Greeks?


I wouldn't give the Greeks too much credit either, only Aristotle was true
to rational principles, and even then was primitive in his scientific
"discoveries."  The greeks were a rather repressive society in many aspects.

>> I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
>> (what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or
man's
>> essential rights.

aka Statism as a more encompassing term.

>
>So you're saying the current western capitalists ideals
>haven't stolen any of man's essential rights? I agree that
>communism did not give man his freedom and essential
>rights, either, but working for a more community minded,
>less selfish approach to life is surely a good thing, for
>everything around us?

Although I would agree that mixed market economies such as the US and
especially Europe are not true to the ideals of say Adam Smith or Ayn Rand,
the ideals are far from flawed.  Laisezz-faire capitalism is the ONLY system
that respects man's individual, natural rights.  Only under a free market,
free of government controls in a non-welfare state can man only rely on
himself without subjugating other's wealth, talents, or work.  Governments
that do not respect these rights merely expropriate individuals in the name
of the "redistribution of wealth."  This concept has been romanticized in
the character of Robin-hood.  What principle requires man to give to his
fellow man?  What valid ideal requires him to sacrifice anything for his
neighbor?  The answer becomes clear when you get to the true motivation of
these Statist countries.  They have NO respect for man's rights, no desire
to see him achieve and no concept of ownership, the deserved and the
undeserved.  If individuals decide to give of themselves to others, fine,
then they are practicing their CHOICE to do so.  HOWEVER, no individual or
group of individuals should ever be compelled, required, or expected to give
of themselves under the guise of altruistic principles.  So no,
communitarianism(actaully just another varient of the
altruist-collectivist-statist axiom) is not an innately GOOD thing.

>Take a look at the third world, East Timor, Amazonian
>rainforests, etc, etc and tell the people living there,
>that the capitalists of the world haven't stolen any of
>their basic human rights.

This is FAR from laisezz-faire capitalism.  This is COLONIALISM.
Laisezz-faire capitalist governments, true capitalist governments would
never be so inconsistent as to have a repressive foreign policy that allows
a state monopoly on the exploitation of third world nations.  And in fact,
positive colonialism, that practiced by the British brought regional
stability to warring tribal countries, not repressive exploitation.  They
were only interested in shutting down economic barriers.  Granted, foreign
competition would then undercut local merchants, but that is what
competition is all about.  Given a wholistic view and compared to colonies
ruled by the Portugese or Germans, Britain had a relatively positive impact
on their colonies.

More specifically to the point, East Timor is being repressed by a SOCIALIST
nation, I'm sure that they would much rather be under the protectorate of
any European(or US) protectorate representing capitalist interests.  The
amazonian rainforests?  what are you refering to?  Their destruction is due
to local farmers and price competition with foreign food supplies.  Would
you rather the local poor, who are already on subsistence income be subject
to the artificially high prices of local merchants?  Exploitation from
capitalists is non existent in a free market.  It's only when protectionist
policies internationally and goverment controls nationally are instituted
that individual rights are destroyed and exploitation of people begin.

Notice, I put a @@@@ at the beginning of the mail, so dong't waste even more
bandwidth complaining about this.  It is a very valid thread considering the
liner notes moby has written before, and in the 1.5-2 years that I have been
on this list, I have never seen a more promising subject, so to any
potential complaints regarding this thread, blow off.  However, I think we
can keep it going for some interesting discussion.

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:24:51 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) @@@@Welcome to Chris from Chris

>I vote: Straight Republican (I could never morally allow myself to vote
>Democrat)


Why not Libertarian?  HA!

>I am an: atheist
>I think: Ayn Rand wrote alot of truth, and also alot of lies

Lies?  praytell which ones?

>I have no: faith in mankind (I do not think of man as a heroic being)

Oh, this one, okay.

>I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.
>I believe: we are not alone.
>I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
>(what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or
man's
>essential rights.

See other long email

>Design Style: minimalism (some call it essentialism)
>Worked as: An Architect, an Industrial designer and now a graphic designer
>Favorite building: Seagram building, 52nd and Park Ave, NYC
>Favorite 3 books: John Pawson "Minimum", Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged" and most
>things Hemmingway wrote.

HA!  An architect who loves "Atlas Shrugged"!  I think you should take more
stock in John Galt's speeches.  A fellow architect should know the beautiful
achievments man is capable of, right?

>---
>Favorite Moby Album: Move
>Favorite moby song: any version of "All I need is to be loved" ,but the
>version on the Move disc is still the best
>Moby collection: everything major (and most US singles, a few non US
singles
>too) since Move.  Also Voodoo Child and DJ Cake...and a few Dats from
>friends.
>Latest Moby purchases: the Honey Dics, I love 'em.
>Other musicians: Portishead,

Kick ass.

>Plastikman,

Now kelly has yet another reason to share plastikman news with us ;)

>>>snip<<<<

>Coolest Moby experience: meeting Moby on the Subway last summer and having
>lunch with him, he really is an amazing person.

Cool.

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:22:12 PST
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan

I'm glad you spoke up, Chris, welcome!

During his CMJ speech, Moby called the current state of radio "soulless
and anemic", citing the Wallflowers as an example. Here's their
response. Dylan calls Moby jealous of their sales, among other things.
The other members are more moderate in their responses.

http://www.musicianmag.com/art/wallflowers/

I don't have Real Audio. However, here's a Playing By Heart track
listing and ra file, which I assume is a sampler of snippets from the
soundtrack. Porcelain might be in there. Will somebody do a favor and
let us know?

http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/

http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/playingbyheart.ram

ILTS interview about soundtracks, Moby's fave Bond actor, etc.
http://www.muse.ie/archive/interviews/moby.html

- -Steve


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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:53:21 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan

Of course Jakob Dylan would think moby is being jealous, but the one thing
i've noticed in comparing the two artist's music is that moby is a lot less
willing to stick to a "formula" - for crying out loud, the guy released 3
CD's in one year, and none sounded alike!  The Wallflowers, like everclear,
3eb, hole, etc., have trouble stringing three songs together that sound
different.  It all boils down to who is the better musician.  Sales are
irrelevant, just an industry benchmark to see who is the radio darling of
the month (or longer, in everclear's case)

True, you can't discount Dylan's background (I think that Jakob's
songwriting, singing, voice, hair, looks, etc. are better than Bob's), but I
think the Wallflowers are reluctant to stray from their formula and
(potentially) lose their popularity.  As I've said before, when you can't
listen to the radio without hearing the same song five times before
something different (read: out of the mainstream, ie. moby, pilfers, kmfdm,
even Lorena McKinnett) something needs to change.

Speaking of KMFDM, I don't think they've really broken up.  If you read the
liner notes to "Agogo,"  you find, "Never forget, kmfdm are germans with a
sense of humor..."  I think this is a joke they are playing on us.  If i'm
wrong, though, oh well.  They've had fifteen great years, and all good
things blah blah blah...

anyways, i'll shut up, seeing as i've talked long enough........
daniel

"We came all the way from Taipei today, now Bangkok's pouring rain and i'm
going blind again and i haven't seen my girl for 15,000 miles..." - The
Refreshments (r.i.p)

>During his CMJ speech, Moby called the current state of radio "soulless
>and anemic", citing the Wallflowers as an example. Here's their
>response. Dylan calls Moby jealous of their sales, among other things.
>The other members are more moderate in their responses.
<snip, snip - oh god, they gave me sciccors again!!!!!!!!!!>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:45:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Shaun David Rader  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan <FINALLY a clip of Porcelain!>

Thanks Steve for the link below...

At about 15 minutes 25 seconds into the real audio file is Porcelain!


Shaun


On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Steve Giles wrote:

>I don't have Real Audio. However, here's a Playing By Heart track
>listing and ra file, which I assume is a sampler of snippets from the
>soundtrack. Porcelain might be in there. Will somebody do a favor and
>let us know?
>
>http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/
>
>http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/playingbyheart.ram

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:14:12 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) "Honey"

I love the original mix of "Honey", and i hate all of the "official"
remixes. Zac(Shackof Xaq) did a remix which, IMO is better than the
original and WAY better than all the uninspired remixes that make me wanna
scream.  If you people have any taste in music at all, you will love Xaq's
music.  For some reason people seem scared to buy anything that's not on a
big label.  I think that unsigned musicians are my favorite kind, 'cause
you hear so much crap, but when you find someone excellent-Wooo-Hooo!  His
new cd is comin' out next month, and ya betta git it!






MO

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:44:49 -0800
From: danny legare <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) surv-eh?

1)  Do you like Moby?

i do

2)  Which album is your favourite?

end of everything (uk version)

3)  Which single is your favourite?

hymn.alt.quiet.version

4)  Which song is your favourite?

move (the full version)

5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?

myself

i think you wanted to ask "if you can be anyone else..."

6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?

bald

7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?

summer 99

8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?

a spice girl cardboard stand up doll, my 9 feet tall fig tree.

9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?

back in time

11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?

good question.
been reading up on the mayan prophecies.
nothing will happen in 2000-maybe a few years after that.

14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?

bad grammar-spoken and written

15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?

cremated thank you.

16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?

white chocalate macadamian nut. and only a couple of those a year.

Dan Legare
Nettwerk Productions
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
phone:[phone]
fax:[phone]
toll free:1.888.764.9244
http://www.nettwerk.com

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:15:22 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...

>  i am a designer.  I am a modern.  I am a minimalist.  I like what I like and
> ignore what I don't.
> Blah blah blah... I have bored you all enough.
> :)
>
you are NO minimalist my dear man when it comes to
self-descriptions.........!
sure ...man may be no hero.......so why bother listing yours and
having any at all?
and you iGNORE death disease poverty hate and ignorant socio-political
systems?


good luck and please fill out the survey..........

damian......

kill me please.



clay

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:24:08 -0500
From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) survey

Okay... the results from the survey have been interesting.  I'd just like
to add a few things.  The question do you like Moby was sarcastic.  I DO
realize that this is a list concerning Moby and his music.  Thanks for your
replies.. if/when I compile them on a list somewhere I will give you all
the url.

>my fave pair of socks is blue and white. wait. what the hell kind of
>question is this??

Oooh.. touchy.. it's just a question!  That's all the HELL it is!
Question- sentence adapted by order of words, use of interrogative pronoun
or question mark, or other means, to elicit an answer.

Okay.. i know the question about the toothbrush wasn't too popular..  It
was not meant as a serious question either.. How much one person thinks
about their toothbrush depends apon their priorities.

The answers to the pet question were interesting as well.. I don't think I
read about anyone else having gerbils.. but I am curious to know
(privately, not via the list) your experiences with them or other rodents..


It seems the majority of you prefer Moby with a bald head.. that's amusing!
 Obviously it would not make a difference to his music what his hairstyle
was... but we cannot pretend to be blind and not show some kind of
preference!  It would be interesting to see him donn a toupe/mohawk/afro
some time... as some of you suggested!

Also preferred are primarly black and white socks... due to their
practicality!

Laterz!

- -Jennafur!

- -------------------------------------------------
Wishing wishful wishes we
fearing blindness cannot see"
- -Carl Stephenson

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:28:15 PST
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey

>1)  Do you like Moby?
 Moby? I thought this was a Herman Melville List???
>2)  Which album is your favourite?
 Everything is Wrong
>3)  Which single is your favourite?
 Next is the E
>4)  Which song is your favourite?
 Next is the E (victory mix), The Rain Falls and The Sky Shudders and
yes Porcelain (I love this song).
>5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
 Me
>6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
 No Hair
>7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
 This summer I hope
>8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
 I've had a Dog, A Newt, two finches and a rabbit.
>9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
 Tought question...probably England or Norway.
>10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
White...the color never fades.
>11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
 I will play 2k/KLF's F**K the millenium until I feel like
stopping...but other than that...it will be just another year gone by.
>12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
 In D.C. or Denver...as a Lawyer fresh out of Law School (well a year of
two out of law school).
>13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
Gray
>14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
Dishonesty
>15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
 Cremated
>16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
 Peanut Butter

Jake
"The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato (Aristocles)
"One cannot step twice into the same river"-Heraclitus
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 02:41:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks2

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> Greg, can we PLEASE get an update on the CD?!?!?  Can you let us know about
> deadlines, progress, etc.?  I am sure we would all be interested in hearing
> from you on this.

Wheh - I've been quiet for a bit, no?  Sorry about that.

Okay, concerning the web site: I suck.  I know, I do.  I WILL get it up
there but its one of those pathetic annoyances about myself where I'm like
"shite!  I've got to get this site up, but I need to finish writing ____,
and I need to do this work-related project, and Jerry Ryan is on that TV
show tonight, and, well, I refuse to put up something that looks like
crap!"  Yeah, I know, pathetic. I'm working on it. :)

So, I'll make you guys a deal.  I'll either get that site up in the next 7
days (and it'll look alright) or I'll swallow it and put a text-only site
up and be done with it.  Okay, wow.  Now I've done it.  Said I'd get the
site up.  Wheh.

Okay then!

Concerning Thanks I: it will be re-released at the same time as Thanks II.
No pricing info yet.

For the Thanks II, I've received the following:

Eric M. Goldberg:
Moby - Everything Is Wrong (Revival)
Moby - Myopia (Tone Matrix Mix)

Andrew J. Davies:
Drug Fits the Face (Epsilon mix)
M Four (G Eleven mix)

Geoffrey Sproule - Geoff, I can't get this unzipped?!  What did you zip it
                   with, and did you FTP it in binary mode?
Sound (remix)

So, that's a whopping 5 tracks, one that I can't get to unzip.  Now, I've
had several people say they were going to snail-mail me their tracks
(which is fine) but I haven't received anything.  I'll keep the list
posted, but we need to get going on this.  How much more time does
everyone need?

Also, PLEASE keep in mind that while I try to read all of the mobility
messages sometimes I just don't keep up.  If it is THANKS II related,
PLEASE PUT THAT IN THE HEADER!!! (or send me direct mail).  If I've missed
any questions, please let me know.

And one quick opinion: while I know everyone wants this done (lord knows I
do) if you guys need more time to make it good, then let's do it.  I'm
more into quality then timelines.  Now, we want this out before y2k and
all, but if we need till March, fine, let's just make sure its damn good
(I'd like to send something Moby's way that is GOOD - wouldn't that be
cool?)

Oh, and on another note: I thought Honey was okay, not great.  I must
confess, I dig Moby in all his old-school techno/trance might.  That's the
stuff that drew me to him, and that's what I love the most.  I hope he
keeps kicking a few of those out while he continues to push his artistic
boundaries.

Off to bed for me!

- -G

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