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mobility-digest        Friday, December 4 1998        Volume 01 : Number 285



(mobility) Thanks 2?
Re: (mobility) "techno" samples vs "hip hop" samples was:Moby News.
(mobility) 12" moby for sale
(mobility) puffy no-no
Re: (mobility) puffy no-no
(mobility) an odd online record store
Re: (mobility) an odd online record store
(mobility) In Praise of The End Of Everything
(mobility) honey domestic!!!
Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!
Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!
Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!
Re: (mobility) puffy no-no
Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!
Re: (mobility) puffy no-no
(mobility) Re: Thanks 1 & 2 Info....
(mobility) Thanks 1 & 2 Info.... (fwd)
Re: (mobility) "techno" samples vs "hip hop" samples was:Moby News.
Re: (mobility) puffy no-no

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:26:16 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2?

Well since I dont know really what is
going on with the Thanks 2 compilation,
I've decided to upload one of my remixes
to my webpage.
Its very temporary though so please forgive
the mess..

One of the two remixes is there,
its Moby's Myopia.
Its about 6megs so it may be a long dload
for most people, especially if youre like me
and have a slow connection.

And in case your bored you can listen to a few
real audio links of some of my other stuff..
I have mp3s of all of them but i lack storage
space to upload them to.

Anyways, for those who want to hear one of my
remixes for thanks 2 (hopefully) go to
http://www.netrox.net/~gold/tm/

and i pasted this from netscape hopefully it will
work, its a direct link to the mp3 for the lazy
ones out there.
http://www.netrox.net/~gold/Moby%20-%20Myopia%20(Tone%20Matrix%20Mix).mp3

Oh and you may need to do SHIFT+CLICK or right click to save the mp3
correctly..

Well hope someone hears it,
Eric
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 21:37:58 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "techno" samples vs "hip hop" samples was:Moby News.

>  crappy, self-absorbed and violent lyrics


is the puff really that violent?

well shit i better move on back to compton...then......
where tha word still has meaning>



now are the spice girls violent too?

damn
now...ain't life a bitch.

(saying all hip-hop is simply looping something and doing totally
unoriginal stuff with it is
just plain ignorant)>

as there weren't some <god-awful> U N O R I G I N A L TALeNtLesS
techno>

a sample is a sample is a sample regardless of race color creed style
what you do with it is what counts
it's like saying all sampled music less than 118 beats per minute sucks!
i think if you told moby that all hip-hop sucked he'd (very politely)
tell you to clean that egg out of your ears
and get with the history of what is truly modern
in this world>

you don gotta like it but ya gotzta understand where
all this shit came from
as if orbital never sped up a hip-hop loop
nor renegade soundwave
nor public enemy beastie boys
beck
prodigy chem bros
on and on and on




clay

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:18:07 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) 12" moby for sale

There's loads of Moby records that went on auction today at

http://www.ebay.com

I recommend going into the Books, Movies, Music area and using the search
string 'moby -dick -grape' with Search Titles and Descriptions turned on.
That'll get you the best results, you know, it'll show all the soundtracks
and remixes with Moby on them that are for sale, too. There's plenty of CDs,
too.

Clay, your eloquence is coarse and unique. Well said. Everybody tries to
make things be either this or that.. and that don't work. I'm very picky
when it comes to rap and hip-hop. I like Tupac, Busta, Ice Cube, Invisibl
Sqratch Picklz, and a couple others... Maybe Moby could cover some of them.
I'll spare you all the cheesy hybrids I imagined this time. Atrocious
imaginings, really.

I've been reading Wire lately, a U2 list. They have over 4000 people. That
place is tense mess. We got it good.  :)

- -Steve

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:29:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) puffy no-no

uck, please no more puffy shit man!

we had an argument before.

fine, like puffy. hate puffy. i dont give a shit.


just dont talk about him!!!

aaaaanyway, um....

how many videos does moby have?
ive seen like 6 or so.

heres a cool combo: moby and lauryn hill.
i just heard her new album today. pretty damn phat.

moby and digable planets? ive always liked this quote from their first
cd:

"wouldn't it be weird if the 70s was the 90s? then the black panthers
would have their own cartoon show! and mc hammer would be a pimp!"

hee hee, ive always wanted to say that on the list.

whatever claay said about the butt of the beholder, damn straight.

um......aw crap i4got!

anyone have the "dub meltdown" track listing?

by bill laswell?

i know theres some laswell fans out there!!!!!

bye
==
"i see ten thousand chariots, and they comin',
comin' without horses"-Bob Marley, "Midnight Ravers"
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<




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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:40:21 -0700
From: "Emperor Reagan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) puffy no-no

>uck, please no more puffy shit man!
>
>we had an argument before.
>
>fine, like puffy. hate puffy. i dont give a shit.
>
>
>just dont talk about him!!!
>


Ok, I'll save it.  I'll just leave it at - Puffy is no more deserving of
scorn than are the eve6/greenday/spicegirls/backstreet boys/marilyn
mansons/etc. of the world.  Uninspired music coupled with a little hype
and/or entertainment factor sells, you can't blame people for taking
advantage of it.  Blame the people that buy it.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:37:12 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) an odd online record store

Thought you guys/gals might like to know
there is an online record store called
MOBY Disc Records.
Ironically though I dont think they sell
any actual cds of moby.

Does have some nice used soundtracks..
Anyways if youre bored take a look,

http://www.mobydisc.com/

eric

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:01:58 -0800
From: "jeff.summers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) an odd online record store

More than online.  It is a small chain (6, I think) in southern California,
selling new and used.

The stores are medium sized, not as large as Tower, but bigger than most mom
and pop stores,
as big as some Wherehouse locations.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric M. Goldberg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 9:44 PM
Subject: (mobility) an odd online record store


>Thought you guys/gals might like to know
>there is an online record store called
>MOBY Disc Records.
>Ironically though I dont think they sell
>any actual cds of moby.
>
>Does have some nice used soundtracks..
>Anyways if youre bored take a look,
>
>http://www.mobydisc.com/
>
>eric
>

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:44:35 -0500
From: n <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) In Praise of The End Of Everything

I'm sitting here listening to TEOE for the first time in a really long
time and rediscovering how beautiful a piece of work it is.  Patient
Love has struck a particular chord with me this listen around.  It
almost brought tears to my eyes.  There seems (to me right now anyway)
to be some story behind it that seems both joyful and sad at the same
time.  Tracks like that are the reason i listen to music. :)
- --
==========================================================
Words fail.

    n.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:38:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) honey domestic!!!

if you go to cdnow, it lists honey and honey remix domestically (US).
for regular price. its on mute.

anyone know if these copies are made in america or if they are just
imports priced domestically?

ive seen honey remixes for domestic price, but i think they were
imports...maybe not

they also have clips from "ambient" i just finished the clip of
"heaven"....i never knew they had these clips up.

hmmmmmm....uhh, i was gonna ask sumpin else..

oh well bak 2 ambient!!!

byeyall


==
"i see ten thousand chariots, and they comin',
comin' without horses"-Bob Marley, "Midnight Ravers"
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<




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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:09:28 -0700
From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!

Paul Simpson wrote:
>
> if you go to cdnow, it lists honey and honey remix domestically (US).
> for regular price. its on mute.
>
> anyone know if these copies are made in america or if they are just
> imports priced domestically?
>
> ive seen honey remixes for domestic price, but i think they were
> imports...maybe not

I believe (but don't quote me), they're made in the UK but specially
priced for export.  Wasn't "Come On Baby" like this?  One format issued
for export and priced lower (but not as low as the current Honey
singles).

Mute has done this a time or two when they feel the demand is high
outside of the UK (I think they did it for Erasure too in another
country).  Mute might do this because the artists label isn't planning
on releasing it or the artist is without a label (like Moby in the US).

Speaking of a label... who's likely up for it?  Virgin?

And for those who don't know, BT is now signed to City Of Angels!
If you want more info on their planned releases for BT, lemme know.

Damian.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:35:52 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!

Damian any Bt info would be like a god send for me if you could find
it in your heart to provide it
Peace
Bri



- ---Damian <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Paul Simpson wrote:
> >
> > if you go to cdnow, it lists honey and honey remix domestically
(US).
> > for regular price. its on mute.
> >
> > anyone know if these copies are made in america or if they are just
> > imports priced domestically?
> >
> > ive seen honey remixes for domestic price, but i think they were
> > imports...maybe not
>
> I believe (but don't quote me), they're made in the UK but specially
> priced for export.  Wasn't "Come On Baby" like this?  One format
issued
> for export and priced lower (but not as low as the current Honey
> singles).
>
> Mute has done this a time or two when they feel the demand is high
> outside of the UK (I think they did it for Erasure too in another
> country).  Mute might do this because the artists label isn't planning
> on releasing it or the artist is without a label (like Moby in the
US).
>
> Speaking of a label... who's likely up for it?  Virgin?
>
> And for those who don't know, BT is now signed to City Of Angels!
> If you want more info on their planned releases for BT, lemme know.
>
> Damian.
>
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 1:59:02 EST
From: Adekunle Olonoh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!

The Honey CDs on CDNOW are the UK releases.  It's a pretty nice price for an import eh?  It'll take a few weeks for them to get it in though.

- --Ade.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:08:07 +0800 (SGT)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) puffy no-no

Fine!! It is I that you should blam than. Or should you???? You see
this thing that we listen to with our ears is called music. Some of
this music is harsh or nasty...or just would rather have your ass move
to it. I dont think that any music should recieve scorn or hate
towards it, this is a power that can draw out every emotion in us that
it should be respected not trashed.
Next did you know that even though you may not like puffy, his type of
music(hip-hop), inspired our beloved creator and others like BT,
Orbital, Meat Beat, ect.
I could go on  and  on but i think that todays lesson is over. Dont be
so hard on music please.
Peace
Bri




- ---Emperor Reagan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >uck, please no more puffy shit man!
> >
> >we had an argument before.
> >
> >fine, like puffy. hate puffy. i dont give a shit.
> >
> >
> >just dont talk about him!!!
> >
>
>
> Ok, I'll save it.  I'll just leave it at - Puffy is no more
deserving of
> scorn than are the eve6/greenday/spicegirls/backstreet boys/marilyn
> mansons/etc. of the world.  Uninspired music coupled with a little
hype
> and/or entertainment factor sells, you can't blame people for taking
> advantage of it.  Blame the people that buy it.
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 01:05:46 -0800
From: jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) honey domestic!!!

>And for those who don't know, BT is now signed to City Of Angels!
>If you want more info on their planned releases for BT, lemme know.
>
>Damian.
>

Hi!

i'm a big BIG BIG BT fan and would love info on new releases. Is anyone
else out there a fan of BT? I've been trying to compile a discography, but
I think I might need some help---hope to hear from some of you guys...

thanks in advance,

jon

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:33:32 -0700
From: "Emperor Reagan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) puffy no-no

>Fine!! It is I that you should blam than. Or should you???? You see
>this thing that we listen to with our ears is called music. Some of
>this music is harsh or nasty...or just would rather have your ass move
>to it. I dont think that any music should recieve scorn or hate
>towards it, this is a power that can draw out every emotion in us that
>it should be respected not trashed.


>Next did you know that even though you may not like puffy, his type of
>music(hip-hop), inspired our beloved creator and others like BT,
>Orbital, Meat Beat, ect.
>I could go on  and  on but i think that todays lesson is over. Dont be
>so hard on music please.


I'm sorry.  I should have phrased things differently.  Re-reading my message
made me realize that it didn't come across remotely near the way I intended
it to...instead of defending Puffy, that message ended up sounding more like
an attack on him...between that, and my earlier comment attacking techno
artists in general, i haven't done a very good job.

I love hip-hop, from gandmaster flash, the sugar hill gang, run dmc, and
public enemy to Ice-T, Ice cube, the wu-tang clan, and cypress hill.
Perhaps the attack on other artists shows that I'm becoming bitter from my
battles, trying to convince people that most hip-hop artists are indeed very
talented, very intelligent people making some very good music.

And though I don't particularly care for Puffy's particular brand of rap, I
have great respect for him as a Producer/Marketer and will admit that he did
some good things with his album.

>Peace
>Bri

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:05:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: Thanks 1 & 2 Info....

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Greg Shipley wrote:

> UPLOAD!  Drop me a line after you upload it and I will confirm that it is
> there.  I am thinking WAV is best for now, but I open the floor to

Oh, and if I confused anyone with the e-mail address, no worries - they go
to the same place.  Use [e-mail], however, if at all
possible.

Sorry,

- -G

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:07:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 1 & 2 Info.... (fwd)

Resending this 'cause I think it got lost in the shuffle...


On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Eric M. Goldberg wrote:

> Well since I dont know really what is
> going on with the Thanks 2 compilation,
> I've decided to upload one of my remixes
> to my webpage.

Okay, the web page isn't done yet but the FTP site is up.

FTP to (FTP, NOT HTTP!!!!) moby.wiretrip.net

User: ftp/anonymous
Passwd: <your-email address>

Everything is to go in /incoming.  YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR
UPLOAD!  Drop me a line after you upload it and I will confirm that it is
there.  I am thinking WAV is best for now, but I open the floor to
suggested formats.  I've done a BUNCH of research into the computer DAT
(DDS) and its inability to read DAT audio natively.  It *can* be done, but
you need some software that costs $$$ that I'm not willing to spend.  So,
for now, DAT is out.

And as for the mp3 debate, I leave the good Dr. and whoever he was
discussing it with to summarize that one.  Good info!

Here is what I have listed for contributions, so far:

Xaq
  1.  Honey (Remix)
  2.  Dog Heaven (Remix)
Kingmob
  1.  Everytime You Touch Me (Remix)
  2.  something from AR....
Andy
  1.  I Like to Score (Remix)
  2.  M Four (Remix)
Clay
  1.  Honest Love (Remix)
Brian
  1.  Everything is Wrong + Every Time You Touch Me medley (Cover)
Eric
  1.  Myopia (Other)
  2.  Blue Terror of Lawns (Other)
Adam
  1.  Into the Blue (Cover)
Dr. Killpatient
  1.  not sure just yet (Cover)
Daniel - you still doing this?
  1. New Dawn Fades

> I have mp3s of all of them but i lack storage
> space to upload them to.

Stick them in the FTP site and I'll make them available via the web page,
when it goes up.  I've got space and a FAST connection.

I apologize for the delay.  Thanks I *WILL* be re-released along with
Thanks II - but I'm thinking we'll wrap it all up around the same time.
And I'm hoping to have that web page, with cover art, samples, info., etc.
up by the end of this weekend.  Ugh.

Thank you for being so patient - I've been swamped.

- -Greg

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:43:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "techno" samples vs "hip hop" samples was:Moby News.

I think the story behind punk, hip-hop and rap are very
similar. The Beastie Boys have married the two together
brilliantly, in my opinion, (not that it counts for much
here!).

Like I've said before, if Moby were to collaborate it
should be with the Beastie's.

Happy Christmas and may communicate some more in the New
Year!

TMB

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:14:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) puffy no-no

> Fine!! It is I that you should blam than. Or should you???? You see
> this thing that we listen to with our ears is called music. Some of
> this music is harsh or nasty...or just would rather have your ass move
> to it. I dont think that any music should recieve scorn or hate
> towards it, this is a power that can draw out every emotion in us that
> it should be respected not trashed.


What if the emotion that it draws out of us is Hate?  Violence?  Fear?
These are not healthy emotions and we should not let music create them in
us.  Music that does tend to do this SHOULD recieve scorn.  Unless you
think that Nazi Nationalistic Hymhs should recieve just as much ear time
as Moby or more substanative artists.  Though less extreme,
"Hip-Hoppers" create the same standards - Theievery, murder, irreverent
and violent sex.  Take away these characteristics and there are many
decent artists left, not all hip-hop(whatever that means) artists are bad,
but in general at worst they are unacceptable and at best they are not
worth my time.



> Next did you know that even though you may not like puffy, his type of
> music(hip-hop), inspired our beloved creator and others like BT,
> Orbital, Meat Beat, ect.

Excuse me?  I believe Orbital and even Moby were recording long before
Puffy got any air play at all.  Roots of "electronica"(for lack of a
better word, sorry word haters ^_^) are better described in pioneering
groups such as Tangerine Dream or Daft Punk or Kraftwerk.

I don't see how any hip-hopper has "inspired" Moby or any other electronic
artist.  If you can explain yourself better, then please do.

> I could go on  and  on but i think that todays lesson is over. Dont be
> so hard on music please.
> Peace
> Bri

I'm not hard on Music, I'm hard on poor music

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