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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #276
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mobility-digest Tuesday, November 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 276
Re: @ (mobility) @ Off topic topic
(mobility) moby?
(mobility) april!!!
Re: @@@@@@@@@(mobility) moby?
Re: (mobility) SEX!
Re: (mobility) off-topic posting issues
Re: (mobility) Vinyl Freaks!
Re: (mobility) Moby's footsteps?
(mobility) Moby's footsteps
(mobility) anti-filtering
(mobility) On / Off Topic
Re: (mobility) SEX! and Shadows
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 21:18:42 +0000
From: clay <clayev2k@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: @ (mobility) @ Off topic topic
greg shipley wrote:
> I like the idea of using the "@" or something else - whoever suggested
> that.
not only do i LIKE that idea but it will let me know
which mail i really want to read......
(they'll be the ones with the @ in front!!!!!!!)
just kidding ya no-nonsense types!
i like reading bout moby too.
i still don't understand why we have never been surprised with a
"hello"
yoo-hoo
or g'day ma'am
can we be that busy?
anyway y'all get some sleep.
bt and sasha and peter gabriel????>>>>>>
and a match.......
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!
clay
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:30:05 -0600 (CST)
From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu>
Subject: (mobility) moby?
the way i see it, imagine a really smelly person just walking up to you on
the steet. they starting talking to you, and no matter what you do they
don't go away. you push and push and they just don't get the hint. the
more they talk the more you realize how much they stink. finally, you get
to where you're going and you can finally sit down with friends and talk
about what you know you all like to talk about.
i'm smelling a lot of stink.
[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
but i really enjoy thinking."
Masafumi Sanai-photographer
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:32:52 -0600 (CST)
From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu>
Subject: (mobility) april!!!
the new album will/should be out in april in the u.k.
a djing tour is in the works for the u.s., as well as some radio spots.
more as i hear...
[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
but i really enjoy thinking."
Masafumi Sanai-photographer
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 00:05:52 +0000
From: clay <clayev2k@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: @@@@@@@@@(mobility) moby?
> the way i see it, imagine a really smelly person just walking up to you on
> the steet. they starting talking to you, and no matter what you do they
> don't go away. you push and push and they just don't get the hint. the
> more they talk the more you realize how much they stink. finally, you get
> to where you're going and you can finally sit down with friends and talk
> about what you know you all like to talk about.
>
> i'm smelling a lot of stink.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B U T...............
XAQ!?
is that stink you're smelling?
that's nice.
but WHAT are you saying?
oh!
clay
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:27:34 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) SEX!
krwilson wrote:
>
> I knew that header would get your attention! Pschology folks! Here's the
> rub: THE LAST TWENTY-SOMETHING MESSAGES I'VE HAD TO DELETE ARE ALL ABOUT
> WHAT YOU PEOPLE LOOK LIKE. I DON' T CARE. YOU DON'T CARE.
Don't even pretend to speak for anyone but yourself.
And who was it that said "as soon as you have to raise your voice,
you've already lost the argument" ???
Well, they were right. I don't care for people yelling at me and
find it far more offensive than the most offtopic post you can deliver.
And speaking of psychology, reverse psychology has taken effect
after your loud mouthed rant and I've decided against what I had
thought originally which was that I didn't care to describe myself
just out of the fact it was no one's business really...but now I
think that I will certainly give a description out of respect for
all the longtime list members who have given out descriptions that
I myself have enjoyed reading and found very interesting giving
me possible insight and a more focused feeling of community.
My self description will follow later...
LET'S EITHER
> CHANGE THE NAME OF THE LIST TO "SORRY NON-MOBY POST" OR START TALKING
> ABOUT MOBY OR MOBY-RELATED ISSUES. ANYTHING ABOUT REAL LIFE, MORAL
> CHOICES, i.e.-THINGS THAT AREN'T SUPERFICIAL.
What is important to you may be just as off topic as anything else
that's not directly Moby related, why only be off topic for your
pre-approved reasons?? Half the posts on this list have been off topic
as long as I've been here, and I have found it to be pleasantly
under control. I'd say the that on-topic here means about the same
as the other 5 music mailing lists I'm on, MUSIC. (Plastikman for
instance) Of all the music mailing lists I'm on, mobility has the
lowest number of messages! So I can't see much of a problem here,
mailing lists are what the listees decide they are.
I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR
> THIS BEING NON-MOBY RELATED BECAUSE IT ISN'T. I KNOW A GUY WHO GOT IN A
> CAR WRECK AND HIS FACE LOOKS LIKE IT GOT FROZEN IN THE ACT OF MELTING.
> DOES IT REALLY MATTER? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU SAW A BUNCH OF MESSAGES
> WHERE EVERYONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE ZITS OR ARE TOO SKINNY,
> FAT, ETC. AND YOUR FACE WAS MELTED OFF?
OK, you're really showing your obvious agitation through your
LOUD MOUTHED LONG WINDED RANT ABOUT HYPOTHETICAL WHAT-IF's THAT
APPEAR IN ALL CAPS. What if Damian decided to go join Ryu in the
mountains of wisdom and power and the list didn't exist at all?
What if Moby became a monk and stopped making music?
What if someone posted a message so off topic your head exploded?
What if.....
THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT
> HAPPENS WHEN THE SOLE BASIS OF LIFE IN A COUNTRY IS BASED ON MATERIAL
> GOODS. I AM NOT A CONSUMER. PEOPLE USED TO BE CITIZENS, NOW THEY'RE
> CONSUMERS. I DON'T EXIST JUST TO BUY STUFF. IF YOU DO, I FEEL SORRY FOR
> YOU. PLEASE THINK TWICE BEFORE POSTING A MESSAGE THAT SEEMS BORING EVEN TO
> YOU AS YOU SEND IT.
Wow, is that what happens when you keep your e-rage bottled up for
too long? Why have we heard nothing from you except when you are
dissastified with our postings? We are not here to be your Moby
news and reviews service, as if we have to keep all list members
happy with Moby only discussions like a business...it's a community
of people with some common interests, very similar to any social
club- and not much like a newsgroup or one-way mailing list where
the latest official news and info goes out to everyone and no one else
posts. This is a discussion group, everyone's opinion is valid
and open for discussion whenever they want, you can put up with it
or decide to leave. The final word is Damian, and if he doesn't wish to
intervene when the few are unhappy it's because the list is basically
self moderating and we are all willing to comprimise. I understand
having to spend hours deleting un-interesting posts every day, but
the fact is that someone found them interesting and you should just
deal with it. I personally find many posts to be useless but if I
got that exited over it, I would jsut leave the list. Radio stations
in New Jeresy or Minnesota don't come in in San Francisco, people
without credit cards don't buy much online and the price of tea in china
has risen again...DELETE,DELETE...such is the life of an email addict.
> I'm not a hard ass or a negative person,
Just someone who resorts TO YELLING before even asking politely...
but i get very sick of spending 2
> and a half hours erasing a bunch of messages that don't belong on this
> list. Everyone is born looking some way, and unfortunately the way they
> look affects their self-concept, outlook on life, friends, and the way
> people react towards them. If you are unsatisfied with an aspect of your
> life, work to fix it. If it is something unchangeable, accept it and do
> the most you can with what you've got. I used to be embarassed about my
> body. Two and a half years ago I became a vegetarian and started weight
> training. My doctor said that I am the healthiest person he has seen since
> he examined a professional athlete who paid a personal trainer thousands of
> dollars a week. I'm nowhere near perfect, but i HAVE realised that sitting
> around wishing never gets you anywhere.
I don't get it. "THou dost protest too much" comes to mind though...
People were only giving out descriptions of themselves so that we
long time list members can imagine a face with the name that so many
opinions and views come from...it's sort of a human thing to do.
No one said they were asking for help that I remember....
Your subconscious may have gottne the best of you there.
paul
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:36:35 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) off-topic posting issues
Steve Giles wrote:
>
> krwilson wrote:
> >>THE LAST TWENTY-SOMETHING MESSAGES I'VE HAD TO DELETE
> >>ARE ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU PEOPLE LOOK LIKE.
> >>You get out of life what you put into it.
>
> Not YOU PEOPLE. It's WE. US.
>
> You seem to think we're fighting with our own images and trying to feel
> better about ourselves through a help group. We're not. We are simply
> describing ourselves to try and put a face with a voice. Just trying to
> know our friends a little bit. We're seeing how we're alike and not. But
> thank you anyway for the sermon. Here's one for you.
>
> This list is a Moby list. Granted. Somebody wrote this weekend about how
> boring the list can be if all we did was talk about Moby. So do it
> elsewhere, you say. I can understand that, but...
>
> This list is for the members. As a group (very important) we are discussing
> stuff that began with Moby and ventured off elsewhere, to your disdain. By
> doing so we are very likely helping increase the feeling of community on
> this list (as opposed to garbled voices in a crowded room, we have
> conversation) which in turn I think will increase the depth of discussion
> (moby and non) and lift the level of fun we can get out of this list. This
> is what WE are doing. If you don't like the subject, change it. Start a
> topic you'd like to see on this list. I'll happily join in.
>
> Then again, isn't curiosity about other Moby fans actually on-topic?
>
> >>You get out of life what you put into it.
>
> Same with mobility. If you aren't a negative person, then do the positive
> thing and put in what you'd like to get out. I just got mail and see you
> have. Wonderful.
>
> And thank you for your time.
>
> -Steve Giles
Wow! Right on, I guess that's just about exactly how I felt and
almost sounded the same...I guess I should read ahead!
Steve- I think you contribute alot to this list and I can see
you have the same general feeling about it!
Here's to one more off topic post! The irony being the traffic is
doubled when someone actually complains about it, thus making
it more frustrating! All I can say is how damn sorry I am....
(I'm not sorry ahahahahaaaaa!)
OK, I am sorry but I couldn't resist the Peewee Herman imitation
from his appearance in Cheech and Chong's "Nice Dreams"
from a satisfied Mobility customer
paul
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:49:32 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Vinyl Freaks!
Brad Caviness wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Giles
> >But after listening to a vinyl version of a song and then going to CD the
> CD
> >sounds canned, for lack of a better description.
> >
> I know exactly what you're talking about. I don't know if it's just big
> dance club sound systems, or if it's the physical rub of the needle against
> the vinyl, or the psychoacoustic dynamics of the way we perceive analog
> sound vs. digital sound, But vinyl seems to have more depth and thump, it
> sounds more live than cd.
That physical rub is the only point I'm going to make about
vinyl vs. cd. It's called friction, it happens with vinyl but not
with cds. The needle wears out the record with each play and it
was never intended as a permanant storage medium. Play a CD for
the 100,000th time and it will sound just the same as the first-
that is not true with vinyl.
I've heard the vinyl vs. cd debate on at least 3 or 4 other mailing
lists multiple times, so I think I've heard just about every argument
there is for either side from scientific to practicality.
I am personally not exclusive to either, I see the faults and
advantages to each. Each has it's own various advantages and
disadvantages, both are fun! I do know that with vinyl you are
dealing with more variables- the needle, the turntable, the pre-amp,
any one of which can effect the quality. Where as CD combines that
into one standard digital laser with a line level output.
Then comes the tuner/amp, EQ, speakers, headphones, etc...they
all vary in quality as well. The average person is not equipped
to make a non-biased scientific conclusion on vinyl vs. cd.
I know that at very low volume levels I'm sure you will all agree
that vinyl has hiss and pops where cds have silence...and low
volume listening happens alot with me. Imagine a vinyl system you
had to keep turned down so as not to annoy y9our co-workers in
some office with cubicles...cds would be better. At a club with
the soundsystem cranked and a DJ spinning, vinyl would rule.
paul
>
> I'd love to go back and hear a lot of moby cuts on vinyl I've only heard on
> disc. I bet Hymn (I Believe) would make your head explode.
>
> >No. Something new. Honey can't be lined up with any of Moby's previous
> >efforts. I think it will be the most alien and most human record I've heard
> >in a while. I anticipate, therefore I am.
> >
> I wish I had said that.
>
> BSC
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:20:56 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's footsteps?
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Michael Bourke
> What is your motivation behind your(the people who have used this
>rhetoric) words? Do you actually use moby as a basis for your
moral/ethical
>decisions or is this just mild banter?
>
I personally don't "follow" Moby in making any of my long-term or day-to-day
decisions. In fact, there's a great deal I disagree with him about. I'm not
a vegan, let alone a vegetarian. My spiritual beliefs are more conservative
or orthodox than his are. Politically, I'm far more conservative. I think
his music is amazing, as most of us do. And where I don't agree with him, I
admire his committment to his ideals and practices and his ability to make
you think critically and intelligently about the assumptions you've made
about the world.
BSC
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:29:30 -0500
From: Steve Giles <Steve.Giles@digital.com>
Subject: (mobility) Moby's footsteps
>>>Brad C wrote>>>
I admire his committment to his ideals and practices and his ability to make
you think critically and intelligently about the assumptions you've made
about the world.
<<<
I couldn't have said it better myself. That's why I admire Moby's radical
beleifs when I scorn them in so many others. To him it's a lifestyle, a
system of beleifs, whereas the free Tibet stars are bothersome. Their cause
is admirable and I'm glad that people want to help somebody all of the
sudden, but often it becomes just another media game where this or that
problem is today's fad/charity while more serious issues, domestic and
foreign, are ignored. Moby's not really part of a yuppie activist cycle,
he's just Moby, and that's what he is. He didn't just wake up one day and
think "I'm gonna fix something, I'm gonna make it better." He's been
actually pondering his issues for years. Btw, I'm not a vegetarian either,
and I smoke cigarettes. I don't look to him for guidance, I just admire him.
While we're still having *fun* with appearances I'll tell you about the
other signifigant part of my early high school attire. (there is only an
early period, I got booted for truancy problems and never graduated) I had
these cowboy boots that had pointed toes, black, some nice embroidery. I got
them on vacation in Arizona, my Grandma made me dress up like a cowboy to go
to dinner with her friends. When I got home I fell in love with the boots
and wore them for 4 years. I went through 3 heels when the rest of the
bottoms gave, replaced that, and eventually put them to rest when the
leather above on the sides gave out on the outside. I've always disliked
country music, but nobody got the wrong impression from the boots. I guess
the pants prevented that. :) I dress in regular clothing now, mostly
oversize stuff, btw.
Clay, that does sound like an awesome team. Eno & Lanois are back with U2!
Gotta love that. Gotta love having Samuel L. Jackson as a Jedi.
Xaq, too bad I never found you at the concert. You shouldn't be suffering
from lingering odors any longer, the sickness had been purged, I beleive.
- -Steve G
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:50:28 -0600 (CST)
From: John Turpin <jct1@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: (mobility) anti-filtering
The idea of having people filter out messages is a nice idea, but:
1. those of us on the digest version still have to download loads of
off-topic material to sift through.
2. everyone still has to spend time downloading it before they filter it
(unless you've got some sort of pre-emptive filtering I've never seen
before). Many people in Europe and less populated parts of the US pay by
the minute for connection time.
3. this is a moby list. I'm on several mailing lists, and I'm on them to
get info on the topics they're created to talk about. Imagine what happens
when all of them lapse into off-topic rabbit trails...
- --
C The C.O.D. John Turpin
| <jct1@
/ \ Ra.MsState.Edu>
O D <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:20:49 -0700
From: Damian <owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com>
Subject: (mobility) On / Off Topic
Good morning,
I am tired so I'll make this short (been working graveyards).
Many list members have made many good points about being on/off the
topic and I've seen some worthwhile solutions mentioned. However, for
those who have been on this list (especially in it's first year) you
know that I have been a stickler for being ON the topic. =)
I've tried stepping back a bit more to let the list run itself and such.
I wanted to get away from people apologizing for being off the topic.
But it seems that the pendulum has swung too far to the opposite side
and it needs to be balanced again.
Using a symbol to note that an email is off the topic won't work for
digest members and 1/3 of our list is made up of digest subscribers.
It also negates the fact that this list is about Moby and his music.
Recently, it's been my observation that the list has been more OFF the
topic than on.
For the past year, I believe this list has moderated itself just fine.
So let's just take a step back, focus a bit more on what this list is
really about without making things sterile or watered down.
Take care and.... good night! =)
Damian
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:27:43 CST
From: "Derek Goodwrench" <dgoodwrench@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) SEX! and Shadows
Wow. When can I schedule an appointment, doc? I agree. That's about
it. I don't think this list gets too far off topic at all. Everything we
say has morphed from something to do with Moby somehow, or else it
wouldn't be said. I enjoy reading everyone's posts.
On-topic Moby statement. Maybe this has been mentioned before, but
a hookup between Moby and DJ Shadow would be the bomb. Just something
about Moby's piano and orchestration combined with Josh's drums that
would get blood pumping. By the way, why doesn't DJ have to list his
samples? Going off-topic here. Of course, this could just have something
to do with what I'm listening to.
The Dr. was in,
d
Disney Myth #2: Walt Disney is buried in a cryogenics chamber in a
hidden room in the castle at the Magic Kingdom.
http://home.talkcity.com/basinst/djicey
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