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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #275
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mobility-digest Monday, November 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 275
RE: (mobility) de-stress yourselves
RE: (mobility) a simple solution *on-topic message*
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #274
(mobility) May I suggest a solution?
Re: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
Re: (mobility) a simple solution *on-topic message*
RE: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
Re: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
(mobility) Re: non-moby SEX!
(mobility) Moby's footsteps?
RE: (mobility) Moby's footsteps?
(mobility) @ [Fwd: HUMAN RIGHTS ALERT]
(mobility) some dreams become music
(mobility) @Off topic topic
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <gold@netrox.net>
Subject: RE: (mobility) de-stress yourselves
> KRWILSON, ADAM, and ERIC...ERASE THIS MESSAGE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
wait not yet i have to reply to you.
> Ok...so here's the scoopage..I don't understand what the big deal is in
> hitting the delete button. if you're reading a message that you don't
> want to read, um, delete it. if it's boring or disinterests you, is not
> completely Moby related...DELETE IT! Whew! with that out of the way....
because i dont want to have to dload 45messages of nothing..
this list is supposedly about moby.. not about moby fans lives..
so if its changed, Damian, someone let me know because i'll gladly unsub..
hate to be mr.evil but i dont want to hear about your personal life..
if i did i'd be in alt.teenlife
and with something ON TOPIC.
does anyone know what is going on with the comp.
Greg: i sent you email asking, are you still thinking of finishing the comp?
Eric the lone gunman
gold@netrox.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:57:40 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <gold@netrox.net>
Subject: RE: (mobility) a simple solution *on-topic message*
> a side note: I've learned that some of those who have been complaining about
> off-topic posts actually are angry about the specific topic of appearances,
> not lack of Moby content. Interesting, eh? (disclaimer for the sensitive:
> nothing implied here)
specific topic?
im not angry that there is lack of moby content..
because if there is then fine woopy, i dont need moby content
streaming to me 24hrs a day..
but what i dont need is people carelessly using it to talk about
absolutely nothing to do with moby.. and dont say oh moby wouldve
wanted it this way!
Eric
gold@netrox.net
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Date: 23 Nov 1998 17:11:39 -0600
From: "April Kilduff" <april.kilduff@qm.fallon.com>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #274
RE>mobility-digest V1 #274 11/23/98
> What if became really huge and started preaching to the world >like so many
other stars? Is there a difference between him >simply stating his beleifs and
spreading them on a large scale?
i think there is a difference. moby simply stating his beliefs is just him
being responsible for his chosen lifestyle. spreading them on a large scale
implies some sort of scheme to convert, which i find is usually not met very
positively. speaking from many years of experience as a vegetarian/vegan,
people will take notice of your actions and respect you more if you simply go
about your life the way you've decided to live it and not try to preach to
them about it.
april. :>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:13:21 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
Subject: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
- -----Original Message-----
>> Ok...so here's the scoopage..I don't understand what the big deal is in
>> hitting the delete button.
>
>because i dont want to have to dload 45messages of nothing..
>
Before this turns into something nasty for everyone involved, might I
suggest a tactic that works wonders for other listervs I subscribe to
(Vigilantes of Love, Over the Rhine, Duran Duran, U2, etc.). If your message
contains off-topic material, preface the subject header with a "@" symbol.
If you don't want to read off-topic material, program your inbox filter to
automatically delete all messages with a "@" in the subject without even
downloading them. If you're like me and you enjoy a good off-topic
discussion, you can still enjoy the ebb and flow of the list. Since the
other lists have adopted this strategem, petty bickering on off-topic
posting has come to a standstill and everyone gets along nicely. I suggest
we give it a try.
Another possible solution is to have Damian moderate the list and screen out
inappropriate material, though that's a lot of effort on his part, and may
keep valuable information out that many of us would enjoy. Or he can set the
list so that replies automatically go to the original sender rather than
back to the list, so tangential discussions get taken off-list sooner and
without effort for the participants (in deed, it would take work - changing
the "To" header - to send a reply to the list, thereby causing one to pause,
is this something for the list or the author?).
Nastiness is not necessary
BSC
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:20:18 -0500
From: Ade <ade@anderson.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
>If your message contains off-topic material, preface the subject header
with a "@" symbol.
>Nastiness is not necessary
Je d'accord. Do we need to take a vote?
- --Ade.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:18:53 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) a simple solution *on-topic message*
- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Giles
>I wonder how much Moby's views will change as he grows older. His views are
>admirable in their appetite for the goodness of all things, but at the same
>time they're idealistic and extremely difficult to do anything about on a
large
>scale. What if became really huge and started preaching to the world like
so
>many other stars?
>
Moby's the opposite of most stars. He reminds me a lot of U2, spending his
formative years being idealistic and vocal about his beliefs. So who's to
say, when he's older and more popular, that he shun the idealistic image and
act a porn, I mean, rock star.
BSC
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:21:15 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <gold@netrox.net>
Subject: RE: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
those solutions are something to be discussed.
but not everyone has email programs that have
filters..
moderating would make it too much for damian but
if this persists then its worth it.
and the replying being sent to the one person
is a good idea..
because that is what always happens, someone sends
a personal message to the list and then they say ooops
i didnt realize i sent it to the list..
> Nastiness is not necessary
i agree, thats why i felt i should speak up after
what Mo said..
i dont want to sound nasty but you have to understand
how bad this list has become..
Eric (who may flee to the mountains like Ryu)
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:41:30 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) May I suggest a solution?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric M. Goldberg
>those solutions are something to be discussed.
>but not everyone has email programs that have
>filters..
>
Outlook Express (which features amazing filtering capabilities) comes
standard with Internet Explorer and Windows 98 and is available for free
download from www.microsoft.com. If you're not using it, or something like
it, you should be.
>> Nastiness is not necessary
>
>i agree, thats why i felt i should speak up after what Mo said.
>i dont want to sound nasty but you have to understand
>how bad this list has become..
>
I rather enjoy the list as it is. Getting off-topic can be good. When you
have an artist like Moby who can go a year or longer without a significant
release, and tours mainly only when he has new product to promote, and there
is little to talk about "on topic", off topic divergences are a way for list
members to discover other things they have in common and forge a community
rather than just a group of raving teeny-boppers. We can talk about the
things Moby talks about in his liner notes, discuss view points that we
share or disagree on, and since we all have Moby in common, talk about other
artists whose work we appreciate. And if you don't want that, tell your
email client to filter at messages with an "@" in the subject. I'm glad we
got a little personal on the list over the weekend. I've been introduced to
two other gay list members because of it, and many other christians, and
these are things I'm a richer person for. Even if I might not ever meet
these people in person. And it is all indirectly because of Moby, and our
common admiration of him and his music. And I think that's pretty on-topic.
BSC
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:34:00 +0000
From: clay <clayev2k@ixpres.com>
Subject: (mobility) Re: non-moby SEX!
if it takes you 2 1/2 hours to delete our messages
then you need to get a faster delete button, babe.
and please...if you're off topic....just be off-topic
>don't spend a paragraph saying you are.
and i really feel the freedom to talk about non-moby stuff
is okay
and it becomes obvious who theose people are who are off-topic the most
(including me)
and you can delete whoever is uninteresting to you>
but it's really up to damian
unless maybe we can have a vote and if a strong majority are in favor of
non-moby posts...
then i say let it be.
i mean we might not be moby but we're almost as interesting....no?
clay
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:42:33 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: (mobility) Moby's footsteps?
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A message that I read prompted a thought that I had....
Many people on this list have used rhetoric to the effect of "moby would =
want it that way.." "Moby would do this/that..." and especially the =
WWMB=3D"What Would Moby Do" braclet thing.
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moral/ethical decisions or is this just mild banter?
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:00:32 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <gold@netrox.net>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby's footsteps?
>What is your motivation behind your(the people who have used this rhetoric) words?
Do you >actually use moby as a basis for your moral/ethical decisions or is this just
mild banter?
Well I personally dont look to moby for political or religious views.
Most of the music I listen to is with the intent of the music itself.
Not whether or not the guy worships satan, eats cookie dough, or is
a politician.
Of course there are certain ones like if the guy is a racist i wont
listen to the music.
But when i listen to Moby's music i'm not looking for the meaning of
life or anything of that matter, I'm just listening to it for the music.
Whether it be a happy techno jump around song, or a beautiful piece
like "god moving" or "alone".
I dont think Moby would want a bunch of people looking at him as some
sort of god, well at least i dont think so. but me personally i look
to him for musical ideas, since i'm always trying to hear and make new
stuff.
Well I think i've babbled enough, hope i made sense.
Eric
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:09:03 +0000
From: clay <clayev2k@ixpres.com>
Subject: (mobility) @ [Fwd: HUMAN RIGHTS ALERT]
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 20:49:21 +0000
From: clay <clayev2k@ixpres.com>
Subject: (mobility) some dreams become music
had to get out of bed and come downstairs just to tell you
i just read that BT and sasha are negotiating a deal to produce
peter gabriel's next album>
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
needless to say
that could be a dream become music>
such a collaboration would be stunning
and earth-shaking..........
and i won't sleep at night
just thinking about it.
doc! (ya got any of those .........?)
and BT is doing the soundtrack for the film by the director who brought
you
swingers.........
it's good to see our lil merican boy
from maryland
really getting his due>
just had to let ya know
(i still do get excited about these kinda things
occasionally)
best pop album so far this year:
new radicals
now playing: patricia kaas> dans ma chair (french import)
now dreaming: me
ciao
clay
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:47:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Greg Shipley <gshipley@wiretrip.net>
Subject: (mobility) @Off topic topic
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, clay wrote:
> if it takes you 2 1/2 hours to delete our messages
> then you need to get a faster delete button, babe.
>
> and please...if you're off topic....just be off-topic
> >don't spend a paragraph saying you are.
I like the idea of using the "@" or something else - whoever suggested
that. I started blowing 10-20 messages away per day, and what I worry
about is that I am blowing away relevant info (like information or
questions about "Thanks"). I can't honestly keep up with all of these
conversations, and I think they are relevant to those involved, but some
filter process is needed. I see an "@" as the simplest method. Just my
.02.
I'm in the middle of finishing a project which is why I've been so slow on
the compilation stuff. Also, thanks to those involved in the MP3
discussion - your info has been MOST helpful.
I'll be posting a status sometime later this week, as soon as I get a
chance to un-bury myself.
Thanks,
- -Greg
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