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mobility-digest       Monday, November 23 1998       Volume 01 : Number 273



Re: (mobility) Judging book covers, again.
RE: (mobility) SEX!
Re: (mobility) SEX!
Re: (mobility) The men and women behind the masks
Re: (mobility) younger kids
(mobility) ViNyl!!!
(mobility) Pi
(mobility) Plastikman (was)Vinyl Freaks!
Re: (mobility) SEX!

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:42:29 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Judging book covers, again.

> From:          Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
> To:            [e-mail]
> Subject:       Re: (mobility) Judging book covers, again.
> Date:          Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:55:56 +0000
> Reply-to:      [e-mail]

> I've been trying to say the same thing. I can see
> where your coming from about learning social skills, etc at
> school. However, maybe it doesn't work for everyone and
> maybe then it's not just school to blame!?
>
> At our school a lot of people were liked if you went
> against the grain. So alcohol, drugs, skiving off classes
> and looking outrageous was the thing to do.
>
> TMB
>
> On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:37:59 -0500 AJ Brustein
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > No I wan't popular because I did sports. In fact, a lot of people got angry at
> > me because I did sports. I should have played varsity soccer and lacrosse, but
> > because I was only playing to have fun and I hated the coaches of both teams,
> > I would only play JV. And, to tell you the truth, I don't know anyone who was
> > popular because they did sports, but I went to a private school for high
> > school, and I am sure it is different at a public school with 1500 kids. Since
> > my school only had 350 kids, you really can't be popular. But everyone knew me
> > and it was probably because of my attitude, my involvement, and my sense of
> > humor. And I got shit grades in 9th and 10th grade, and then I had a 4.5 GPA
> > in 12th and graduated 3rd in the class. And it was only last year, so it
> > wasn't long ago and I am doing nothing now but studing in Japan. I will go
> > back to America and college next fall. Anyway, there is your answer.
> > But the reason I did respond is because I wanted to comment on homeschooling.
> > At my school in 11th grade I met the only person I knew who had been
> > homeschooled. He had been homeschooled his whole life and now he came to high
> > school in 11th grade so he could get into a good college (I think). Now don't
> > get mad at me, but he couldn't seem to get along with people correctly and
> > ended up stealing my roomates watch, but instead of getting kicked out they
> > gave him pity because he was homeschooled. He didn't come back next year, so I
> > don't know what happened to him, but I have a feeling it was a failure. I know
> > little about homescholing, but how exactly do you go from homeschool to
> > college? And school is not only learning about "useless" stuff. Maybe that is
> > 25 percent of it. I think you miss out on way too much by not going to school,
> > even if it is a horror. Anyway, I have to leave now. Later.
> > AJ
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]
>
>
> Where did you go to school?

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:40:25 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) SEX!

> I knew that header would get your attention!  Pschology folks!  Here's the
> rub:  THE LAST TWENTY-SOMETHING MESSAGES I'VE HAD TO DELETE ARE ALL ABOUT
> WHAT YOU PEOPLE LOOK LIKE.  I DON' T CARE.  YOU DON'T CARE.  LET'S EITHER
> CHANGE THE NAME OF THE LIST TO "SORRY NON-MOBY POST"  OR START TALKING

right on.

> rub:  THE LAST TWENTY-SOMETHING MESSAGES I'VE HAD TO DELETE ARE ALL ABOUT
OH and it hasnt been twenty, its been about a 2weeks worth.

ok i thought i was the only one annoyed at these posts, but to tell you the
truth its not right what is going on.
yeah fine talking about moby all the time might be boring.. but you see thats
what other lists are for, talk on other lists about those things..
you dont just join a list and talk about whatever you want..
yeah sure you can, but youre annoying people who dont want to get all of this
unrelated mail.
if you still want to keep the conversation going, at least make another list
or just email to the particular person..
because 90% of the posts are people talking
personally to one another. "hey bob how are you, i ate chips today",
"Oh im fine, i drank rootbeer yesterday"

just because it is a list it doesnt mean that you HAVE to post something.
if there is nothing going on with moby then there is nothing going on with moby.
you dont have to say "well today i went to the beach and i totally swam alot!"

sure im sounding harsh and all, but its really annoying to keep getting all
this chit chat mail, when all i wanted was moby related stuff (when it was
available).
I'm on a film music list, and although it is a busy list, they dont start
talking about how they hate school and all this blah blah.

I realize the majority of the list likes to post these nonrelated messages,
but i'm tired of it, and wish it could be regulated.
I dont know how Damian (listowner) feels about this, but i for one am sick
of deleting..
and then yes you people will say, "sooo get off the list then"
well no i dont really want to do that, because i wanted to try and finish
this Thanks 2 compilation (which i have no clue as to what is going on now).
and i just want to be able to discuss moby related stuff..

i dont want a chat room thru email.  yes there are CHAT ROOMS you can talk
about the same stuff in. technology apparently has allowed us to chat LIVE
with people across the globe!

but if im the minority of people who feel this way,
then oh well

thank you
eric
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:13:03 -0800
From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) SEX!

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU SAW A BUNCH OF MESSAGES
> WHERE EVERYONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE ZITS OR ARE TOO SKINNY,
> FAT, ETC.  AND YOUR FACE WAS MELTED OFF?

I'd probably feel like hell.
If someone is disfigured in an accident, then they have my sympathy,
but like it or not- looks do matter to almost everyone to some
degree.

Right or wrong;
most people will still complain when they get pimples, wrinkles or
stretch marks- even if there are plenty of people in much worse
situations than they are in.

Also, I've found that you get much better responses(in the long run)
from people when YOU DON'T TYPE LIKE THIS, and use guilt to
try and make your point. If *no one* cares about what the Mobility list
members look like- then no one would write about it.


Maybe we should have another mailing-list,
one for *strictly on-topic* Moby posts??
Personally I like this list as it is, but this could be a
good way to keep everyone happy.

- -Anthony

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:00:04 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) The men and women behind the masks

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:53:08 EST
> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (mobility) The men and women behind the masks
>
> In a message dated 11/22/98 2:01:23 PM Central Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << i'm curious to know what you mean by the "freaks" >>
>
> pretty much the dark and depressed people that do it by choice and walk
around
> saying everything sucks but marilyn manson. those kind of people
>

Hmm... THAT'S not a stereotype...
I don't want to jump all over you but I find that comment ever so
*slightly* offensive.
Marilyn Manson is a little freakish, I'd agree.  But just because someone
likes Manson
doesn't mean they should be automatically branded a freak.  Maybe I'm just
taking this a little
too personally because I have a lot of ties to the "gothic" community, so I
get crap all the time
because I choose to associate with people who are "different".  Two of my
best friends
are gothy, and every single boyfriend i've ever had have been goffs (not
including the current one
though.  he's sorta trans-subgroup, just like me).  And yes, up until last
year I was pretty gothy
myself.  But I never really considred myself "goth".  I was just not
mainstream.  Whatever.  I don't
need to defend myself here, and I guess you shouldn't either, but it really
pisses me off
when people make passing comments like that.  They can really do a lot of
damage in
the long run to a person's self esteem.

- -Kelly
(who's trying really REALLY hard not to be a bitch right now.)

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:00:42 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) younger kids

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:43:10 -0500
> From: n <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey on M2/ DJ HARDWARE/younger kids

> yeah i've noticed.  And i'm all the way up here in Ontario.  I've found
> that in the past 2 years the average age of "kids" (I still think of
> myself as a "kid." :) ) in the scene has fallen to about 17.  Being an
> old fogey of 22,

One of my bestest buds (hehe i love using grade 2 words)  is 22 and he's
afraid to go to his first rave because he thinks he's too old.  He didn't
believe
that there are tons of post 20 year olds running around having a good time
with all us "kids".

> partying about 4 years ago (then being 18) it IS weird.  The atmosphere
> has totally changed;

yup.  too many mean people and icky guys a la "night at the roxbury"
*shudder* but you can still have a good time.

>i don't touch drugs.  Just a personal choice (not a moral
> one, before someone jumps down my throat for being holier-than-thou).

Same here.  But I kinda believe if you want to do something, and it doesn't
hurt anyone else, you should have the right to do it. JUST as long as
you're
prepared to face what might happen to you.  That goes for drugs, alchohol,
sex, sexuality, just about anything.  Whatever makes people happy...

A lot of my friends are into mind altering substances.  And I'm not
talking, light,
recreational stuff.  Some of them are into pretty heavy stuff.  I don't
think any less
of them though (unless they do it just cuz they want attention or to fit
in.  then
that's just stupid).  I realized a long time ago its not my place to try
and change
them or anything like that.  People are going to do what they're going to
do.  The
only thing that you can do is try to be around to help them pick up the
pieces
when it all comes crashing down.  I've seen it all happen before, and I
have a whole
section of my life I refuse to talk about with most people, so I feel like
I at least
some what know what's going on in people's heads when it comes to f*cking
yourself
up just for the hell of it.

Hmm... I think I'll stop right there because this post is totally off topic
and I can't see it
geting anywhere NEAR being on topic.  So if anyone can relate thread to
moby, i'd umm...
err... think you're really cool!  *grin*

- -Kelly

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:12:09 -0500
From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) ViNyl!!!

>personally, i prefer vinyl because it sounds better...
>sometimes CD's just sound too... i dunno.. records sound more
>wholesome. maybe that's just my opinion.

Me too!!!  It's nice to see some other vinyl fanatics!!!  For a long while
it seemed that vinyl was disappearing once cd's caught on, but now
with more global communication vinyl is more available... The sound
is more real, less monotonous, and the bass is so much better
(moby vinyl!!!).  Besides that, lots of the music I grew up listening to
is not available on cd... although for convenience cd's are good, as
you don't have to worry about ruining the needle, they are much
more portable, and you don't have to change the sides.

>p.s. ..........Walt Disney is (supposedly) buried in a cryogenics
>chamber underneath the Pirates of the Carribean.(?)

That is scary... or maybe his consciousness found another host
body!!!  *eerie music*  Did you know that Mickey Mouse's ears are
always turned to the front, no matter which direction his head is
pointing?

>One of my hamsters had 14 babies the other day and ate them all.

Hamsters eat their babies if they feel stressed once they've given
birth or people have touched them... some hamsters are cute,
but then some of them are sooo evil - like my cousin's.  I have
an anti-social gerbil named conan, who does like company, but
is terrified of human touch.. which is fine for me...

>Anyone here see the movie "Pi"?  What did you think?

I think I will have to view it again sometime to get the whole meaning
out of it..

>We vinyl freaks get this FEELING when we see a record
>spinning.  Especially a moby record!  I can sit in front of a turntable
and
>just be entranced watching a record spin.  I'm so intrigued by music
coming
>out of a piece of plastic with grooves in it.

Same here...  vinyl sounds a lot more closer to what a live performance
sounds like.. honey is good on vinyl.. Ceiling fans just donnot suffice!

>I spend wa-a-ay too much time shopping in
>thrift stores (ObMoby: which incidentally is where Moby buys many of the
>records and what not he grabs his samples from; the choral sample in
>Hymn-this is my dream-, for example).

You can find the neatest stuff at thrift stores... although it's sometimes
hard to pick it out from all the other stuff.  I adore new clothing, but
in many cases it's simply not economical.. so unless I REALLY want
something - such as my Moby shirt - I try to find what i am looking
for used.  There are lots of records at the used clothing store I go to,
but a majority of them are really badly scratched... as in they look
like someone ran their car over them.. since the people who work
there don't know how to store records and just throw them all over the
place...

P.S - interesting little fact: In every deck of cards the King of
Hearts is sticking his sword through his head.  That's why he's often
called the suicide king...

Okay.. that's my little blurb for now.. (is blurb an actual word?)
- -Jennafur!

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:09:30 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Pi

> ***Non-Moby, but techno-related***
> Anyone here see the movie "Pi"?  What did you think?

I saw Pi over the summer.  It was one of the best movies I've seen in a
LONG time.  The main
reason I went was because of the poppies connection (I'm a huge pop will
eat itself phreak)
but I left loving the movie because it was so amazing.  I have an official
Pi poster beside
my bed.  The black one with all the numbers... it rox :)  Anyway, I
remember sitting there
and poking my brother every time I recognized music in it.  I haven't
bought the soundtrack
yet because i've been busy blowing all my money on plastikman stuff (more
on that in another
post).  Its a good movie.  I urge everyone to check it out.  It's beautiful
to watch, and it
actually makes you think.  I give it, one and a half thumbs up (only
because there was no
MOBY stuff in it!!! hehehe, otherwise it would be a full two thumbs up!)

- -Kelly

btw, Pi's offical web site is found at:  http://www.pithemovie.com
a very well put together page, i must say.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:39:50 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Plastikman (was)Vinyl Freaks!

> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:44:26 -0600
> From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (mobility) Vinyl Freaks!
>
> Anyone heard the new Plastikman?
<snip>
I love RICHIE.  I love RICHARD.  Happy
> day!
>
> Post-Script:  Isn't it funny that my two favorite electonic musicians are
> named "RICHARD"  and "RICHIE"?  I thought so.
>
> MO

Call me insane but I love the older plastikman more than this new stuff...

A funny story (well, funny to me)  I was listening to Skizofrenik (you can
hear it at http://www.plastikman.com/ if you want to know what i'm talking
about) and my
dad came running downstairs to find out what the noise was.  he thought it
was
either my cat throwing up, or something was wrong with the washing machine.
 :)
I dunno... I found that amusing.  hehe

Anyway, my obsession with Richie Hawtin is coming close to surpassing my
obession
with Moby.  I feel so guilty *sob, sob*.  I've started a Richie shrine
right next to
my moby shrine.  Sick, eh?  I listened to last trak (my fave) like, 10
times on the weekend
as I was wrapping christmas presents that my parents have bought WAAAY too
early this
year!  I love Richie.  He's an amazing artist.  Plus he's RILLY cute too :)
 And he's finally getting
some respect and attention here in canada (i posted the url to an article
about him found
in the toronto star last week) so that's really cool.  I'm just pissed now
because I found out
he played a show 5 MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE!  Granted, it was 2 years ago and
I didn't
know anything about him, but STILL!!!  I go through that industrial complex
all the time so
I'll never look at that warehouse in the same way ever again *sigh*.

Hmm... I love Richie.  I love Richard.  the only solution I can see to this
is that they team
up and create some sort of a super group... and throw trent reznor in there
too  and i'd
be a REALLY happy camper! :)

Okay I'm done gushing.  I love richie.  that's all i have to say.

- -Kelly

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:32:03 -0500
From: Adam Matthew Damerow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) SEX!

power to MO

and: moby is good, just like dairy products are good.

At 11:21 AM 11/23/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I knew that header would get your attention!  Pschology folks!  Here's the
>rub:  THE LAST TWENTY-SOMETHING MESSAGES I'VE HAD TO DELETE ARE ALL ABOUT
>WHAT YOU PEOPLE LOOK LIKE.  I DON' T CARE.  YOU DON'T CARE.  LET'S EITHER
>CHANGE THE NAME OF THE LIST TO "SORRY NON-MOBY POST"  OR START TALKING
>ABOUT MOBY OR MOBY-RELATED ISSUES.  ANYTHING ABOUT REAL LIFE, MORAL
>CHOICES, i.e.-THINGS THAT AREN'T SUPERFICIAL. I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR
>THIS BEING NON-MOBY RELATED BECAUSE IT ISN'T.  I KNOW A GUY WHO GOT IN A
>CAR WRECK AND HIS FACE LOOKS LIKE IT GOT FROZEN IN THE ACT OF MELTING.
>DOES IT REALLY MATTER?  HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU SAW A BUNCH OF MESSAGES
>WHERE EVERYONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE ZITS OR ARE TOO SKINNY,
>FAT, ETC.  AND YOUR FACE WAS MELTED OFF?  THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT
>HAPPENS WHEN THE SOLE BASIS OF LIFE IN A COUNTRY IS BASED ON MATERIAL
>GOODS.  I AM NOT A CONSUMER.  PEOPLE USED TO BE CITIZENS, NOW THEY'RE
>CONSUMERS.  I DON'T EXIST JUST TO BUY STUFF.  IF YOU DO, I FEEL SORRY FOR
>YOU.  PLEASE THINK TWICE BEFORE POSTING A MESSAGE THAT SEEMS BORING EVEN TO
>YOU AS YOU SEND IT.
>I'm not a hard ass or a negative person, but i get very sick of spending 2
>and a half hours erasing a bunch of messages that don't belong on this
>list.  Everyone is born looking some way, and unfortunately the way they
>look affects their self-concept, outlook on life, friends, and the way
>people react towards them.  If you are unsatisfied with an aspect of your
>life, work to fix it.  If it is something unchangeable, accept it and do
>the most you can with what you've got.  I used to be embarassed about my
>body.  Two and a half years ago I became a vegetarian and started weight
>training.  My doctor said that I am the healthiest person he has seen since
>he examined a professional athlete who paid a personal trainer thousands of
>dollars a week.  I'm nowhere near perfect, but i HAVE realised that sitting
>around wishing never gets you anywhere.  You get out of life what you put
>into it.  THANK-YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>
>
>Post-Script:  Isn't it ironic that to refute an issue, i had to discuss it
>again?
>
>
>MO
>

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