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mobility-digest       Sunday, November 15 1998       Volume 01 : Number 259



Re: (mobility) MOBY live album
(mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...
Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"
Re: (mobility) better late than never
Re: (mobility) MOBY live album
Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"
Re: (mobility) Thanks2 stuff
Re: (mobility) MP3s (long)
Re: (mobility) better late than never
Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:15:56 -0800
From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY live album

> am compiling/mastering a live album for Moby which may be released on the
>Cleopatra/Hypnotic Record label, or it may just be included in part of a
>documentary on raves called "better living through Circuitry" which will
>also be distributed through Cleopatra. Moby was interviewed in the
>documentary.


Ohhh!  That sounds very cool!
I suppose that Cleopatra will begin releasing Moby tribute albums as well
now.
Kill Switch...Klick, Electric Hellfire Club & a bunch of trance folks doing
"Little Idiot"...
;)

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:31:37 -0800
From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...

Okay, I know this is a lame subject, but here goes;
does anyone know why Moby shaves his head??
For the same reasons monks do(which I don't know),or maybe just for the
hell of it, or for erotic reasons?
What do you girls on the list think of Moby's shaved head(I'm assuming
it's still shaved?)? Do you find it attractive, ugly, or you just don't
care?   Cum on, let me know!


- -Anthony

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:10:01 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"

>I have been a member of Columbia House for 6 years now, I doubt that a
bunch
>of junk mail is "harassment" unless you consider tossing a bunch of mail
in
>your trash a monumental task.

Hmm... lets see... Getting mail addressed to me once a month asking me to
join their stupid CD club... That counts as harassment to me.  But in a
very
general sense.  You'd think that after about 5 years they'd get the
picture. Hmm...
Plus its such a waste of precious resources.  I don't toss their crap in
the trash,
it heads straight to the blue box :P

>sold through their catologues.  Personally I hate these businesses with a
>passion, because
>no money goes back to the artist on these "get 10 cds for a penny" deals.

>>Where did you get this idea?

Dammit. I dont' remember the original source.  But I had a debate on these
clubs once and that point came up.  And anyway, I mentioned in my original
post I might be wrong.  Or at least I should of, If i didn't.  I still
think these
clubs are evil.  So sue me.


>MP3s are fine is so far that you may listen to them then, if you like the
>music, buy the album, this has been the case many times for me.  If you
>don't like the MP3s then you delete them after you have listened.  You are
>being illogical when you claim that mp3ers are the same people who BUY
from
>CH and BMG.  If they purchase the CD then they are still in a sense
>supporting the artist.

Fine.  Whatever.  I stand corrected. I'm not going to fight about such a
trivial
point.

- -Kelly
(who's going nuts over her oac bio isp. fun.)

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:28:47 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) better late than never

>Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:10:03 -0800
>From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (mobility) better late than never

>>(trent
>>just cut his hair. DAMMIT!  that bites. and where the heck is the new
>>album? eh?),

>First the goatee, then the haircut...what's happening to the man?

Don't forget about the massive weight gain from all the rich food down in
New Orleans.  Normally a man in fishnets is a sight I like, but frankly,
I'm
not looking forward to it anymore for this upcoming tour!  :)
Or not.  Seeing Trent in the flesh will make my life complete (considering
I've already been in the same room as Moby *swoon* I don't need to do much
else before I'll be happy.)

>The new album is tentatively scheduled for February I believe.  I'm sure
it
>won't be out then though-Downward Spiral took soooooo long to come out,
same
>with Broken.  I suppose it's a good thing though, seeing as how I'll have
to
>buy the album, the import off of Island, the promo, the domestic vinyl,
the
>import vinyl, the domestic single, both parts of the UK singles, the
>domestic vinyl singles, the import vinyl singles and any promos for the
>single.  Life is hard ;)

New album in feb.  Yeah freakin right.  Isn't there a new version of Quake
coming out?
Add another YEAR to the release date.  But if it does come out in Feb, that
means
its justin time for my b-day.  Whoo hoo.  Isn't Moby's new album supposed
to be
coming out around then too?

>>hardcore *grin* and my fave colour of glostick is red.  My fave DJ is
>>Anabolic
>>Frolic, but I doubt that means anything to anyone outside of the Greater
>>Toronto


>People keep talking about that guy; whenever I see flyers it's always for
>either Anabolic Frolic or Sniper & Marcus...

Anabolic's da MAN!  His web page is
http://web.idirect.com/~chris/happy.html
and there's a wikkid mixed tape to be downloaded.

>>round pieces of her heart and soul.  I do vocals for an experimental
>>technoish band,
>>who's name is very tongue in cheek and I don't really care to share it
here


>Come on...out with it!

Fine.  You asked for it.  We go by the name FOAD, which stands for Fuck Off
And Die.
I'm not going to explain where the name comes from, because Im lazy :P

Wow.  This post has been pretty OT.  Whoops.  Me bad. Oh wait.  There was
the Moby
question near the top.  Hehehe. I'm saved.  Oh well. Lates.

- -Kelly
(still freakin over bio.  anyone got any info on the neurobiology of
depression? hehehe)

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:34:07 -0800
From: jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY live album

Thank you Damian, I think that's right, I even looked at the discography
too...I never bought that single, but I bought everything else! I will
add
it to the tracklisting...

I have an extra copy of the Animal Rights cd with Little Idiot if anyone
needs it--email me if you do!

I'll also correct Ahh Ahh on the tracklisting...

Take care,

jon

>It's gotta be "WHY CAN'T IT STOP?" released under the alias LOPEZ.
>
>Discog info:
>http://www.moby.org/info/mobydisc.txt
>
>WHY CAN'T IT STOP?  [Lopez, Oct 1995]
>UK 12", Trophy/Mute, 12Trophy2
>
> A  5:51  Why Can't It Stop?
> B  9:51  The Dirty Underground
>
>WHY CAN'T IT STOP?  (22:39)  [Lopez, Oct 1995]
>UK CD, Trophy/Mute, CDTrophy2
>
> 1  5:51  Why Can't It Stop?
> 2  9:51  The Dirty Underground
> 3  6:57  Everybody Can Do It
>
>
>right?
>


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:01:22 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"

>>I have been a member of Columbia House for 6 years now, I doubt that a
>bunch
>>of junk mail is "harassment" unless you consider tossing a bunch of mail
>in
>>your trash a monumental task.
>
>Hmm... lets see... Getting mail addressed to me once a month asking me to
>join their stupid CD club... That counts as harassment to me.  But in a
>very
>general sense

And I suppose you've never taken the effort to write them or something
asking to be taken off their mailing list?

>>sold through their catologues.  Personally I hate these businesses with a
>>passion, because
>>no money goes back to the artist on these "get 10 cds for a penny" deals.
>
>>>Where did you get this idea?
>
>Dammit. I dont' remember the original source.  But I had a debate on these
>clubs once and that point came up.  And anyway, I mentioned in my original
>post I might be wrong.  Or at least I should of, If i didn't.  I still
>think these
>clubs are evil.  So sue me.

Jesus, you don't have to be so fucking defensive.  After all it was YOU who
asked for everyone's "take" on the cd clubs.

>
>>MP3s are fine is so far that you may listen to them then, if you like the
>>music, buy the album, this has been the case many times for me.  If you
>>don't like the MP3s then you delete them after you have listened.  You are
>>being illogical when you claim that mp3ers are the same people who BUY
>from
>>CH and BMG.  If they purchase the CD then they are still in a sense
>>supporting the artist.
>
>Fine.  Whatever.  I stand corrected. I'm not going to fight about such a
>trivial
>point.

If its so trivial why did you bring it up?  There is no logic in hating CD
clubs.  If you don't like them, then don't give them your business.

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:00:03 -1000
From: [e-mail] (urreax6c aka yesti)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks2 stuff

hello, may i humbly ask what you are basing this conclusion on?


>good as a cd. But if you try to use WinAmps' decode to *.wav feature,
>you
>will face a degradation of sound.

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:04:49 -1000
From: [e-mail] (urreax6c aka yesti)
Subject: Re: (mobility) MP3s (long)

i wrote:
>> ive encoded mp3s at 320 kbps, the highest i could find, and the
>>sound still sounds compressed (dynamic range) compared to the original
44k, 16

you wrote:
>Either you are using a really poor encoder of you are fooling yourself-
>because anything above 192 kbps has less than .01% loss in the
>frequency range, the loss occuring only at the highest frequencies.

allow me to clarify.  by "compressed" i meant dynamic range compression,
not loss of frequency response.  the mp3 sound wasnt as
dynamic/transient/powerful as the wave.  its like what they do on the
radio, compressing the sound so that you can hear it better in the noisy
car environment.  where they make the softer sounds louder and the
loudest sounds softer so it all sounds roughly the same volume (depending
on how much you compress of course!)  cool edit 96 has
compression/expansion under transform | dynamics.  im sorry for this
confusion.

you wrote:
>Cds have a frequncy response or 22kHz and mp3s over 192 kbps only
>have less than 1% loss, which means you'll never hear it-
>maybe you'll hear something else --- weird--- but not frequncy response.

i wrote: (further down the message)
>> when i mp3 waves to archive onto cd-r i encode at 192, and havent
>>come across the artifacts audible in some 128 encoded songs ive come
across,

yes, this is what i meant by "artifacts": "---weird---".  like when you
listen to a cooked mp3, but about 1% as bad (kinda like tuning radio
frequencies rapidly across the dial, best description i can give, that
garbly sound)

you wrote:
>I really don't know what you mean by artifact. These are usually things
that
>occur due to digital distortion (above the 0db threshold) or
>missing information in the sample, things that for the most part
>occur at specific times rather than the whole entire song, like the
>frequncy response being poor. Most artifacts occur in the WAV file
>rather than the mp3 encoding.

but arent waves the best representation of an analog signal we have?  i
know it depends on soundcard quality, CPU power, RAM and HD space, what
im saying is how can we get rid of artifacts in the wave file BEFORE more
get introduced in the encoding process?  (my faith in accuracy of waves
is now faltering :P)

you wrote:
>If you made it this far you might be interested in knowing some
>of the specific differences that mp3s use as opposed to cd and WAV-
>http://freeflight.cockpit.be/mp3tech/tech.html

thanks for the tip, ill check it out.

>You have to understand that masking, joint stereo and the other
>differences are not bad, they are advanced concepts you may need
>other fundamental info to really grasp. You just have to have faith
>in the laws that tell us bass frequencies lower than (?)Hz are
>completely omni-directional and are overkill when encoded on
>two separate audio channels for stereo, you shouldn't notice

yes, i know bass under 100hz, i believe, is omni-directional.  i didnt
know mp3 encoding provided for this in its encoding scheme.  ill read up
on it for sure now.
i havent come across a encoder that offers as many options as soundlimit,
but i would appreciate any advice/help that anyone can give on this
topic.

i wrote:
>> mp3ing anything at almost any bitrate is better than RA, even at its
highest bitrate

you wrote:
>they serve much different puposes. RA's cannot be decoded back into
WAVs.

yes, you are correct.  i hope a better encoding scheme is developed to
kill .ra but with comparable file sizes since i cant stand the quality
even encoded at dual ISDN bitrates.  but thats my problem :)  the most
compression i will go is vqf encoding, but thats a whole different story.


i wrote:
>> i use soundlimit 1.5, perhaps its not the best encoder??? im going to
>> check out soundlimit 2.0.

you wrote:
>Let me give you a better encoder, mail me...I've never heard of that
>one, but I know the one I use is one of the best.

yes please, ill send you private email concerning this,  thanks!

i wrote:
>> i heard some encoders clip off >16khz of the freq. response for speed,
i guess.

you wrote:
>What it does do for speed and filesize compression are a few
>things- masking, joint-stereo, and eliminating frequencies you

sound limit 1.5 has a variety of options.  i did hear that some un-named
encoders cut freq. response, but the author of that information failed to
disclose specific applications.

sound limit allows you to encode in layer 1-3, stereo, joint stereo, dual
channel, mono.  it allows for model 1 or 2 psychoacoustics, decoder
de-emphasis of none, 50/15 microseconds, CCITT J.17, and bitrates from
320 Kbps - 32.  Also CRC error protection and copyrighted, original,
private bit tagging.

- --if anyone can elaborate on the above terms, i would like to hear about
it, since i just use default settings of layer 3, stereo, model 2, no
de-emphasis, 192 bitrate, turbo speed (28 frames/sec on my 166 MMX w/ 64
MB ram). thanks!

you wrote:
>I've had people give me the blind taste test many times with CD vs. MP3
and at 160 I can't tell you which is which...at 128 I can tell the
difference.

would you like me to up you beat it (moby mix) again at 160 or 192 Kbps?
originally i offered up to 320, but you requested 128, let me know.

peace out.

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:03:28 -0600 (CST)
From: bill tatalovich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) better late than never

On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, D Bergstrom wrote:

> Oh yeah.  Is it just me or does the lead singer of the New Radicals sorta
> look like Moby?  Maybe it's the shaved head but... i dunno...  Actually,
> I think it is the shaved head and nothing really more...  he doesn't
> look like Moby nearly as much as this one guy who works at the local
> WalMart...

Okay, so I'm not on crack for thinking that.  Actually, upon a second
viewing of it, I realized that the guy looks not as much like Moby, but
more like a mix between Moby and Mike D from the Beastie Boys.  Really.
Well, that's my thought, at least.

Other thoughts:

Moby released on Cleopatra?  Wow.  So, can I imagine a little Moby/Gary
Numan collaboration? (new, gothier Gary Numan...not "Cars") Well, I'm
going to anyway...

I completely forgot...the two new tracks that are on one of the
incarnations of the "Honey" single...what are their names?  And what do
they sound like?  Just curious, I guess.

Anyone heard the Hooverphonic song, "Battersea"?  Oh man....I'm in love.

Ryu, gone?  Damn shame.

Welcome to those new folks on the list.

That's it.

Bill Tatalovich

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:05:20 -0800
From: "Andrew Mullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I feel this bickering about nothing is
completely silly. I've belonged to several CD clubs (and I always recycle
paper and cardboard mind you!), but doesn't it seem like a total waste of
energy to be so involved with who's right here? Stop trying to "out tuff"
each other about something so ridiculous...

Now, I have a question for "the list" (anybody that would be so kind as to
respond)...

- --Does anyone, besides me, listen to anything other than electronic music?
(I'm trying to get a feel of how open minded this group really is, and I'm
not just talking about listening to "A.R."  :)
- --Does anyone, besides me, cringe at pretentiousness in all it's ugly forms?
- --Does anyone, besides me, feel it's a waste of time to argue about "who's
right"?
- --Can someone tell me if it's O.K. to send a DAT with the Moby cover song on
it?

BTW, I'm covering "No Buttons To Push/Heaven"...

If someone could respond, I'd be much obliged...

- --Andrew
[e-mail]
- --
- -----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs. "cd clubs"


>>>I have been a member of Columbia House for 6 years now, I doubt that a
>>bunch
>>>of junk mail is "harassment" unless you consider tossing a bunch of mail
>>in
>>>your trash a monumental task.
>>
>>Hmm... lets see... Getting mail addressed to me once a month asking me to
>>join their stupid CD club... That counts as harassment to me.  But in a
>>very
>>general sense
>
>And I suppose you've never taken the effort to write them or something
>asking to be taken off their mailing list?
>
>>>sold through their catologues.  Personally I hate these businesses with a
>>>passion, because
>>>no money goes back to the artist on these "get 10 cds for a penny" deals.
>>
>>>>Where did you get this idea?
>>
>>Dammit. I dont' remember the original source.  But I had a debate on these
>>clubs once and that point came up.  And anyway, I mentioned in my original
>>post I might be wrong.  Or at least I should of, If i didn't.  I still
>>think these
>>clubs are evil.  So sue me.
>
>Jesus, you don't have to be so fucking defensive.  After all it was YOU who
>asked for everyone's "take" on the cd clubs.
>
>>
>>>MP3s are fine is so far that you may listen to them then, if you like the
>>>music, buy the album, this has been the case many times for me.  If you
>>>don't like the MP3s then you delete them after you have listened.  You
are
>>>being illogical when you claim that mp3ers are the same people who BUY
>>from
>>>CH and BMG.  If they purchase the CD then they are still in a sense
>>>supporting the artist.
>>
>>Fine.  Whatever.  I stand corrected. I'm not going to fight about such a
>>trivial
>>point.
>
>If its so trivial why did you bring it up?  There is no logic in hating CD
>clubs.  If you don't like them, then don't give them your business.
>
>

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