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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #80
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mobility-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 080
Re: (mobility) Puffy
Re: (mobility) Puffy
Re: (mobility) Puffy
(mobility) new stuff
Re: (mobility) new stuff
Re: (mobility) new stuff
Re: (mobility) new stuff
Re: (mobility) new stuff
Re: (mobility) Puffy
Re: (mobility) Moby in San Diego? (Show Review)
(mobility) playing live with a XP-80
Re: (mobility) Moby in San Diego? (Show Review)
(mobility) That's When I Reach for My Remote -- editorial
(mobility) moby mp3s?
Re: (mobility) moby mp3s?
Re: (mobility) new stuff
(mobility) puffy is a dipshit
Re: (mobility) Puffy
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:56:05 -0500 (EST)
From: erik selke <selke@tcimet.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Puffy
I think there is a clear difference between sampling lots of stuff and
making original work (like moby) or sampling and overdubing so much that
you do a "90's" take on the old song. Its gone far beyond sampling, its
gotten down to imitation. When i first saw Puffy, I thought he was doing
his own "wierd al" thing - and when I found out he was serious - I was in
shock, and quite disgusted.
I have nothing against rap - but I don't think that what Puff is doing is
music, and I think it discredits rap, as well as give it terrible
stereotypes. Unique maybe, original, hardly.
If he is a good producer, then he should stick to that because his solo
efforts only give me additional reason to stop watching MTV (sorry, I
don't follow his work, expecially with B.I.G. whom I personally think is a
disgusting character - its unfortunat he went out the way he did, I
wouldn't wish that on anyone, but I was more than disgusted with the media
hype over his death than the death of other celebs)
erik
erik@brainwashed.com selke@tcimet.net
One Percent: http://www.mokum.pair.com/one_percent/
Something About Incoherency http://mets.tcimet.net/~selke/
"Its O.K. to show a man getting his balls kicked on T.V.
But not O.K. to show him getting his balls stroked"
"We can tell when people are lying... Their lips move"
On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 EvilNinja2@aol.com wrote:
> i guess i'm just biased to music that gets redone with some exiting new flair!
> look at Moby, he samples lots of stuff, hell ,all techno was at the beginning
> was samples. Rap is just a slower, more mainstream version of techno. The only
> thing i don't like about rap is the fact that all the music is the same. Puffy
> has a very unique sound when so few do. as does Moby.
>
> tripp
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:13:05 -0500
From: rtaylor@bsumail.idbsu.edu (Ryan Taylor)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Puffy
>i don't think redoing other people's songs is any example of talent.
>sorry there is nothing about moby. :)
>cookypuss
OH but there is :) I'm assuming you think Moby has less talent w/ Animal
Rights considering he redid(remade?) Revolver. Now while I haven't heard
the original..I think Revolver is a great song. Just because a person/group
covers a song..doesn't mean they're any less talented. Some examples?
RevCo's version of Do You Think I'm Sexy..See the Virus 100 cd from
Alternative Tentacles..groups like Nomeansno, Faith No More, L7, Sepultra,
Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, and others recording their takes on Dead
Kennedy songs...Then there's the Shut Up Kitty comp from
Re-Constriction/Cargo Records...Your favorite "industrial" bands doing their
takes on popular songs..KMFDM doing U2's Mysterious Ways, D.D.T doing
Madonna's Vogue(imho..they do it better), A-Politiq doing PE's She Watch
Channel Zero?!, Fleshhouse doing the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations, and many
more...Last(but certainly not least) is Covered In Black from
Cleopatra...It's an industrial tribute to AC/DC..Die Krupps does It's A Long
Way To The Top...Pigface vs. Sheep On Drugs does a VERY interesting take on
Back In Black..Sister Machine Gun does TNT(Chris is known to do a cover at
every live show..)..and 16 Volt does Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheep.
As you can see..this is a very talented list of artists..are they less
talented cuz they covered a song? I guess that's up to you to decide :)
Ryan (who's seeing Consolidated tonight..woo hoo!)
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Ryan Taylor rtaylor@bsumail.idbsu.edu
Homepage to come soon ICQ#: 1607223
"People suing ski areas should be shot." -Scot Schmidt
"Who said tyranny can't be fun?" -Consolidated
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:33:49 -0500 (EST)
From: erik selke <selke@tcimet.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Puffy
There is a BIG difference than making a cover of a single song - and
putting out an album - where at least, if not more than 1/2 the songs are
basically covers - Puffy is a cover act, nothing more, probobly less
erik
erik@brainwashed.com selke@tcimet.net
One Percent: http://www.mokum.pair.com/one_percent/
Something About Incoherency http://mets.tcimet.net/~selke/
"Its O.K. to show a man getting his balls kicked on T.V.
But not O.K. to show him getting his balls stroked"
"We can tell when people are lying... Their lips move"
On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Ryan Taylor wrote:
> OH but there is :) I'm assuming you think Moby has less talent w/ Animal
> Rights considering he redid(remade?) Revolver. Now while I haven't heard
> the original..I think Revolver is a great song. Just because a person/group
> covers a song..doesn't mean they're any less talented. Some examples?
> RevCo's version of Do You Think I'm Sexy..See the Virus 100 cd from
> Alternative Tentacles..groups like Nomeansno, Faith No More, L7, Sepultra,
> Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, and others recording their takes on Dead
> Kennedy songs...Then there's the Shut Up Kitty comp from
> Re-Constriction/Cargo Records...Your favorite "industrial" bands doing their
> takes on popular songs..KMFDM doing U2's Mysterious Ways, D.D.T doing
> Madonna's Vogue(imho..they do it better), A-Politiq doing PE's She Watch
> Channel Zero?!, Fleshhouse doing the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations, and many
> more...Last(but certainly not least) is Covered In Black from
> Cleopatra...It's an industrial tribute to AC/DC..Die Krupps does It's A Long
> Way To The Top...Pigface vs. Sheep On Drugs does a VERY interesting take on
> Back In Black..Sister Machine Gun does TNT(Chris is known to do a cover at
> every live show..)..and 16 Volt does Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheep.
>
> As you can see..this is a very talented list of artists..are they less
> talented cuz they covered a song? I guess that's up to you to decide :)
>
> Ryan (who's seeing Consolidated tonight..woo hoo!)
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Ryan Taylor rtaylor@bsumail.idbsu.edu
> Homepage to come soon ICQ#: 1607223
>
> "People suing ski areas should be shot." -Scot Schmidt
> "Who said tyranny can't be fun?" -Consolidated
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:54:23 PST
From: "Evil Ninja" <ninfan87@hotmail.com>
Subject: (mobility) new stuff
hey have any of you heard of any new stuff from moby i heard that there
is going to be a up coming singile and album but i dont know when or
what it is called.
off the note i think Puffy is a pretty good performer even though some
of his most famous songs are coveres. but nowadays what band does not
cover songs. My most favorite bands like nine inch nials have covered
many of song. i went back to the original versions and compared them
and i found that the covers i liked better. plus covers show what the
artist is in to at that point in time.
evil ninja
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email= ninfan87@hotmail.com
i do not want this
don't you tell me how i feel
you do not know just how i feel
-nine inch nails-
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:01:33 -0500
From: "jason(INRI)" <rwparen@cyberus.ca>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new stuff
>cover songs. My most favorite bands like nine inch nials have covered
>many of song. i went back to the original versions and compared them
well, i know physical is an adam ant song, and memorabilia is a cover song
by someone.... but does that really constitute "many"?
i heard a warm place sounds like an old david bowie song, and down in it
sounds like dig it by skinny puppy... but those aren't really cover songs.
i dunno.... just confused by this statement.
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:41:03 PST
From: "Evil Ninja" <ninfan87@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new stuff
>
>i heard a warm place sounds like an old david bowie song, and down in
it
>sounds like dig it by skinny puppy... but those aren't really cover
songs.
>
>i dunno.... just confused by this statement.
well memorbilial was written by david ball (which i don't know who that
is)
reznor has covered some songs in live concerts
scary monsters-bowie
red scab-adam ant and marco pirroni
beat my guest-adam ant and marco pirroni
he has also covered songs on cds
dead souls - joy division
supernaut-black sabbath
mabey many wasn't the right word for it i guess i was thinking of artist
in general here and mixed it up with the nin passages
sorry for the confusion if you have any more questions on nin email me
personally at ninfan87@hotmail.com so we don't tie up the mobility
would love your questions it sparks my interest when i get questions on
things i claim to know.
thanx,
evil ninja
ninfan87@hotmail.com
aim evilninja6
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:11:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Furball <furball@thor.pla-net.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new stuff
At 12:01 AM 2/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>i heard a warm place sounds like an old david bowie song, and down in it
>sounds like dig it by skinny puppy... but those aren't really cover songs.
Not sure about the Bowie reference, but Down In It sounds NOTHING like Dig
It. Trent has his own flair and style; Down In It has a hip-hop meets
electro flavour whereas Dig It is stereotypical early Puppy...
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:22:49 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new stuff
- -----Original Message-----
From: Evil Ninja
>hey have any of you heard of any new stuff from moby i heard that there
>is going to be a up coming singile and album but i dont know when or
>what it is called.
>
I've heard a bootleg cassette that had some outtakes, remixes, remixes and a
good chunk of the score for "Double Tap." One song, called "Inside," (kind
of in the "alone" vibe) was noted that it might appear on Moby's next
record. My favorite track was an 80's "Sprockets-Rock" euro-pop cut with
Paul Yates on vocals called "Schaumgummi." It's about marshmallows,
supposedly, sung in german, and hysterically funny, yet cool at the same
time. I think it was done strictly for fun, however, with no eye towards
ever releasing it.
BSC
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:36:56 -0600
From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Puffy
I don't really like Puffy that much either, but he is one of the
hardest working musicians around today, even more so than Moby maybe. After
all, you have to take into consideration how varied he is in making his
music. Has anyone here heard "All About The Benjamins"? Dave Grohl and even
Rob Zombie are on that song. It doesn't get much more varied than that.
D.
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From: EvilNinja2@aol.com
To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) Puffy
Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 3:12 PM
i guess i'm just biased to music that gets redone with some exiting new
flair!
look at Moby, he samples lots of stuff, hell ,all techno was at the
beginning
was samples. Rap is just a slower, more mainstream version of techno. The
only
thing i don't like about rap is the fact that all the music is the same.
Puffy
has a very unique sound when so few do. as does Moby.
tripp
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:31:01 -0800
From: MoonDogg <MoonDogg@Bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in San Diego? (Show Review)
Saw Moby last night in San Diego. He was headlining with BT, Crystal
Method, Kottonmouth Kings, & Bran Van 3000.
BV3 was pretty cool, 3 female & 2 male singers/rappers with keyboards,
bass, drums, guitar. They were pretty interesting with the songs
changing tempo and style back and forth. Worth watching for.
I didn't care for KK. 3 rappers with live band. They were decent, but
unoriginal. Combination of Rage Against the Machine and Cypress Hill.
Entertaining only for a short while.
Crystal Method rocked of course. No need explaining who they are I
assume.
BT likewise. CM and BT definately brought the house down.
Moby, on the other hand, dissapointed me. I have never seen him live,
and haven't been a fan very long, but I am a BIG fan. He had a guitar
player, drums, percussionist. Moby played around on the bongos and a
couple of drums now and then, but other than that, he just jumped around
on stage and mouthed the words to the songs which were all on DAT. I
guess I was expecting him to actually play some music. I have seen
discussions in the past on this subject, and I am not trying to start
another argument, but I would really have preffered to see him spin,
play guitar, sing, etc. He did sing a little, and he also said his
guitar 'didn't show up'.
Altogether it was a rockin show in a really small venue. There were some
technical probems between sets, but the DJ keep the crowd groovin'
sufficiently while they waited.
- ----===MoonDogg-->
SugarK97@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > It is indeed *the* Moby. Playing in San Diego....How stoked am I?
> >
>
> Could somebody please give me some information on this show? Is it going to
> be 21 and up like it was last time he was in town? Any help would be
> wonderful.
>
> Thanks
> Kathryn
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:54:57 -0600 (CST)
From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu>
Subject: (mobility) playing live with a XP-80
just briefly...
i have the opprotunity to play live next month. i use a roland XP-80 for
just about everything, along with a sampler. my question: does anyone
know how i can play live with minimal breaks? i've tried looping 8-16 bar
phrases, but when i turn off the loop to go to, say, bar 9, i
can't turn the loop back on again for the next 8 bars. it just goes to
the end and stops.
is there a way to load more than one song at a time and chain them together?
if you can help me i will be forever in your debt.
of course, reply to ME ONLY, not the list.
thanks for your time!
- -xaq-
"People have power not only depending on how much they know, but also what
they are prepared to find out!" alec empire
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:04:45 EST
From: Sicktodeth@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in San Diego? (Show Review)
ditto on the san diego review although I did miss BV 3000. The one item that
kind of turns me off about seeing Moby live is he talks a lot during his set
inbetween songs, not to say I don't care what he has to say but when the
artists before him play straight through into other songs, the break inbetween
kind of breaks up the rythm and flow of the music. I think that Moby is an
incredible person and musician, although I feel he alienates alot of his
fanbase by continually playing 21 and over clubs. oh well the show was worth
the ten bucks
jeff
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:40:51 -0600
From: John Turpin <jct1@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: (mobility) That's When I Reach for My Remote -- editorial
An online Christian music mag comments on MTV and Moby's "Revolver":
<http://tlem.netcentral.net/features/rake/bpm_04.html>
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:15:57 -0500
From: Barrett Busch <busch@infonline.net>
Subject: (mobility) moby mp3s?
Hello everyone. I need some help. I am looking for Moby mp3 files from like
all of his older releases, like from Instinct. My stupid local record stores
do not have any, and i would really like to here some of the songs. So if
anyone knows where i can get a bunch of mp3s, PLEASE reply!!!
Thanx in advance,
Barrett Busch
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:45:06 -0600
From: Rob Skipworth <rskipwo@comp.uark.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby mp3s?
> >Hello everyone. I need some help. I am looking for Moby mp3 files from like
> >all of his older releases, like from Instinct. My stupid local record stores
> >do not have any, and i would really like to here some of the songs. So if
> >anyone knows where i can get a bunch of mp3s, PLEASE reply!!!
If anyone does know, please respond to the list. I'm sure there are quite a
few of us that would like a copy of these files.
rob s
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:49:21 +0000
From: Mark Reed <mar@markgenius1.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new stuff
>>
>I've heard a bootleg cassette that had some outtakes, remixes, remixes and a
>good chunk of the score for "Double Tap."
OK stop teasing! How do we get hold of it..?
- --
Mark Reed
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:26:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <techno_gpig@yahoo.com>
Subject: (mobility) puffy is a dipshit
i said something about puffy. i h8 him. if he had any talent he'd make
his own music. if he samples moby thats the last straw.
also every breath u take was #1 the day i was born, and that kind of
hurts to see some loser take my song and turn it into an ode to some
dead rapper that i don't like either.
there's a good anti-puffy page up, yahoo knows where it is, i don't,
it's under music that sux under cool yahoo categories under
entertainment or something...
PUFFY WILL EAT MY SHIT!!!!!
MOBY IS KING!!!!!!!
==
>>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<<<
"If you lived here, you'd be home right now!!!"
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:14:32 -0500 (EST)
From: sehutchison@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: Re: (mobility) Puffy
that has absolutely nothing to do with what i was talking about. like i said
there is nothing wrong with covering songs, but every puffy song is a take off
of someone else's. i think if he had any talent at all, he would create some
thing of his own. i was not talking about any other people besides moby. so
don't take two lines out of what i wrote and turn it into your reason to
rant. in my opinion, puffy doesn't have any real talent, and that is the
only person i was concerned with when writing that.
cookypuss
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