Subject: (mobility) Long time listener, first time caller...
Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
hi all--
so i've been putting around here for about a week now, and i figured it was about time i introduced myself to all yous...
-well, first off-- i'm Jennifer... but that's hella long so feel free to shorten that puppy
-i'm 19
-my moby collection is weak, so i'll spare you
-i've known of moby for a very long time, saw him play in hartford, ct about a month ago (and i'm kicking myself hardcore for missing the new haven toad's place show... i don't want to talk about that)
-"how much of a fan are you?" what kind of question is that? if you mean 'are you a groupie who crys when in moby's presence' no i'm not, tho if asked i might be able to squeeze out a few tears... given the right price :) seriously tho, i like moby a lot-- mostly, probably, because he doesn't really have one specific sound (see below)and he's an amazing musician, making music for the sake of music, doing what he wants, not writing for anyone but himself (and his listeners, of course). besides that, his music is just cool <period>
-other artists? i have very diverse taste- you name it i probably like it (with a few limits)... if you really want a detailed list let me know, otherwise i wont go into it
-anything interesting? not particularly. i have a water bottle that moby tossed out into the audience at the hartford show (it was very very very hot-- the weather, not the water bottle) that he signed for me. yick-- that sounds a bit groupie, sorry about that.
sorry, that was a little long winded-- i guess i should warn you about that too...
Subject: (mobility) Puppy and the wonders of hot days...
Date: 02 Aug 1999 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT)
okay-- puppy works... tho it took me a second to realize i was being addressed.
hot is right! i went with a bunch of people, not really moby fans-- which sucked hardcore, cause they insisted on being there at 10am and staying till 'bout 8pm... ugh! i was pretty much just there to see moby, so it was such a long day. i did catch train, a sf band, not at all in the realm of techno- but an entertaining show none the less [told ya i liked diverse stuff]. it really didn't get any better, believe me.
yea, it really wasn't ideal show conditions with the heat and time constrains and all, but he sure does make use of what he's got-- i was right up front too, which rocked!
-- J-Dawg (puppy?) :)
> Welcome Puppy!
>
> I was at the Hartford show. Wow was it HOT that day. Crazy day. I left
>right after Moby played (didn't think it would get better than him). Too bad he
Subject: Re: (mobility) ...'you SPIN me right round, baby, right round'...
Date: 03 Aug 1999 06:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
okay- i like pj harvey and all, and i do have several of her albums (incl. 'to bring you my love') but i really don't think that 'to bring you' was the choicest of her albums. this is just me tho. there were a few i'd have to disagree with, but you know, whatever-- spin really likes some artists and they reenforced that by picking them... the moby thing was a little weird, but again, spin really liked play. (meee tooo!)
i also would just like to say that the accompanying articles (spin 90 of 90's) were really dry.
random comments.
that is al.
--J
---moby1342@juno.com
wrote:---
>moby...play...#20...no other moby cdz though....whihc i disagree with...
>but...
>pj harvey..to bring you my love..was number 8 or 9..pretty cool
okay-- this really has nothing to do with anything (most certainly not moby related)... unfortunately you guys are just the only captive audience i have at the moment, so bear with me while i complain a bit...
my desk at work is smack dab in the middle of document central-- we've got the archives on my right, two photocopiers behind me, and shreadders and recycle bins galore on my left...
recycle bins, normally good, right? well, when mixed in with two high capacity photocopiers, they are bad bad bad! they seem to give people the feeling that they have the right to make needless copies, and tons of them-- for example just a few moments ago, some guy was copying 10 copies of a 150 page document, that could easily be emailed to the 10 individuals-- but instead, they'll be read once, then recycled. what a waste!
and even tho the paper is being recycled, that doesn't really matter much-- the majority of paper used in the us comes straight from the tree, not the recycling center (okay, i think the former was a fact, but i have no idea of its accuracy, so if you know better feel free to dispute me). and what is made of recycled material usually is not entirely post consumer recycled-- (note your cereal boxes-- 40% post-consumer waste/recycled material means only 40% of the box is made from what we throw in our big blue bins). goodness knows, we don't use any recycled paper here!
:( -- J
ps-- arg! someone just asked me if i'd 'please make seven copies of this document?' talk about timing...
Subject: Re: (mobility) sorry this is a bit off topic
Date: 03 Aug 1999 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT)
tho you will hear different things from different fans, i think your best bet, for a first buy, would have to be her first album: 'little earthquakes'.
if that grabs you... i would say buy in order that she released them-- i really find it interesting, the way her music has changed over the years.
---Derek ~ <mechanical_roach@>
wrote:---
>hi it's me again
>when i was reading through everyone's top ten lists i noticed a lot of you
>or some of you i should say had tori amos on there. anyway i was wondering
>which one of her records i should buy first? any suggestions? thanks
mmmkay--- well, in ref to the below, i'd just like to say...
if, say, moby became a heavy rotationer on mtv and started making a helluva lot of money for it, i don't really think that means that he sold out- it just means that mtv got him a bigger audience that likes what he's doing, likes his music-- and that's success, man! i have a lot of faith in the fact (backed up by his outspokenness and certain albums/tracks that don't fit whatever mold someone might want to put him in) that moby is going to do what he wants to, say what he wants to, write what he wants to...
now if 'mtv' success or 'radio' success comes along with that, hell i'll applaud that-- cause goodness knows, he deserves success! it just means that a lot of people out there have, in my opinion, good taste! selling out, to me, is when a band/artist starts writing pop-ee tunes that some record company has told him/her/them will sell lots of albums. again, i really don't think this is something i'm gonna have to worry about.
i also just want to say that i think a mailing list like this where he's talked about for years on end is testament to moby's success as an artist! my congrats extended!
--J
ps-- so yes, i agree that all this sellout nonsense is v. misplaced. how did this conversation start anyway?
>fuck all this crap about Moby selling out. this person
>that emailed me kept saying that MTV played the
>REVOLVER vid NON-FRIGGIN-STOP and I think he's off his
>rocker. some other person said that their local rock
>station plays Bodyrock, what are you talking about?
>He's on the radio, he's famous. Any1ne who can say
>that does not own PLAY thats
> for sure. and of course the person was like "isn't
>that a Montell Jordan sample or sumthin?" uh, try
>Spoonie Gee? I mean, its not like we're dealing with
Subject: (mobility) shortened vers comment of the long post
Date: 04 Aug 1999 05:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
>>well, see, that's my main problem with the whole 'selling out'
>concept...people draw the line in the wrong place, I believe...going
>>on television to promote his album is not selling out, it's doing his
>job...selling out is when your art is directly influenced by the
>>potential money you're gonna make, or the money you've made..which as
>I've said before
>>I don't think is the case with BR or SS...
>
>What everything in this world comes down to is that one has got to put
>food on the table. True, some "artists" have been making their music
>only to reap the monetary benefits they will recieve. However, the
>majority of musicians out there in this little world of ours
>write/record/play music for the music's sake. I'm not going to say that
>a true musician writes and records for the love of music, but i will say
>that a sellout musician writes for the monetary reward at the end of the
>MTV rainbow.
quick comment: yeh-- if you chose to make music as a career, you have to produce a desired product, otherwise you're gonna be living on the streets-- and then, what does it matter if 'you're being true to the music' cause no one's gonna listen to you anyway. so, in my opinion, by the definition we've given it, chosing music as a career is selling out. besides, even the great musicians, beethoven, mozart, etc etc had to write for the mainstream to finance the music they wrote for themselves...
though i kinda get the feel that the 'bad selling out' we are circling here is the, what did we call it... umm... 'something pepsi-pop'? i don't remember. i agree with that, but selling out really isn't necessarily bad.
okay-- i'd just like to say that i think it's funny and a bit weird that we've gone from talking about 'moby's abs' (note the subject) to killing off bs and bsb etc. and storming mtv studios...
ha.
okay-- i'm done now.
--J
---Derek ~ <mechanical_roach@hotmail.com>
wrote:---
>
>
>
>clinton's armed forces couldn't do shit to us moby fans! we would wipe them
>out! somehow we would. yeah definately death sentence to britney spears and
>BSB but you forgot to throw in nsync. but you see we're not terrorists we're
>out to play good good music videos. we would really be doing good to the
>world of MTV. we would become heroes! yeah!!!!
>
>
>>a campaign? Hell no! Terrorist invasion! I can see the CNN announcement
>>now... "In a shocking development today, scores of armed Moby fans stormed
>>the broadcasting studio of MTV, declaring martial law. Their first act was
>>to order the death sentence for Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys and
>>to play a Moby video marathon. It is not known at this time if President
>>Clinton will be deploying the armed forces to liberate the studio."
altho he has no email, they SAY he reads 1000 emails a day,
but it's not true, he writes viruses...
Because WINDOWS is a VIRUS!
READ THIS AND LEARN IT BY HEART!
J Holland wrote:
>
> okay-- this really has nothing to do with anything (most certainly not moby related)... unfortunately you guys are just the only captive audience i have at the moment, so bear with me while i complain a bit...
>
> my desk at work is smack dab in the middle of document central-- we've got the archives on my right, two photocopiers behind me, and shreadders and recycle bins galore on my left...
>
> recycle bins, normally good, right? well, when mixed in with two high capacity photocopiers, they are bad bad bad! they seem to give people the feeling that they have the right to make needless copies, and tons of them-- for example just a few moments ago, some guy was copying 10 copies of a 150 page document, that could easily be emailed to the 10 individuals-- but instead, they'll be read once, then recycled. what a waste!
>
> and even tho the paper is being recycled, that doesn't really matter much-- the majority of paper used in the us comes straight from the tree, not the recycling center (okay, i think the former was a fact, but i have no idea of its accuracy, so if you know better feel free to dispute me). and what is made of recycled material usually is not entirely post consumer recycled-- (note your cereal boxes-- 40% post-consumer waste/recycled material means only 40% of the box is made from what we throw in our big blue bins). goodness knows, we don't use any recycled paper here!
>
> :( -- J
>
> ps-- arg! someone just asked me if i'd 'please make seven copies of this document?' talk about timing...
>
> #*I #.....# I*#.....#*I #.....# I*#.....#*I #
>
> find it amusing. fight the power.
yesterday, some housing-inspector told me to jeah kill TWO trees,
for NO reason as that they would GROW... they would GROW bigger!
okay-- i'd just like to start by saying that i spent a really long time writing a response to this then my computer crashed and i lost it all... now i've spent a really long time re-writing what i had said, so i'd really appreciate it if you guys would read it... thanks! :)
---------------
here's a little outline to help you through it... tho please read it all, i know it's long, but i made the effort to write it (twice!!) and i really would like some feedback, discussion, etc... thanks! :)
1. moby not human?
2. what is human?
- free thinking
- to err
3. bringing it back to moby
4. moby's job: tickets/concerts
5. the essays -- TWO QUESTIONS FOR MOBY!
---------------
1. i'm getting this sneaking suspicion that people are expecting moby to be more than human, this kinda troubles me.
2. i think it's really important to realize that we are all human and have the right to believe what we want to... whether it be socially determined to be wrong or not (pending not forcing our wills on another person... yea, that's not okay). for example-- while society has deemed communism wrong, evil, etc... now understand that i'm an economics major and am all for free trade, market economies and all that capitalism stuff, but i think markets/capitalism has failures, especially as markets are often independent from humanity-- so, even tho centrally planned economies have been eliminated from the realm of economic possibilities in this era, i still believe in some of the pillars of communism, specifically the idea of positive human rights (aka that people should have the right to live free from suffering, thus it is the government's job to provide food, water, shelter, and opportunity for success in the form of education)... now someone else may think that i am wrong and argue with m
e on it, but that does
along these same lines, i think it's key that we note that it is human to err. being human is all about learning and allowing what we learn to shape our opinions-- change our minds-- etc etc. science is a perfect example of this-- added information can change minds.
3. so what does this have to do with moby? (i'm sure a lot of you know this... so i'm probably preaching to the wrong people, but bear with me...) i think it's important to realize that moby too is human and isn't always going to do things we all agree with-- he's gonna do what he feels is necessary. he's doing a job-- being a musician means selling records, and picking and choosing what people know about him is just one of the things he has to do everyday-- what goes on a record, what he says in an interview... why am i talking about this-- i'm sorry. i'm an asshole...
but my point: i just think that one can respect him and his music with out agreeing with everything he says or what he chooses not to say.
4. also-- i'd like to say... it is moby's job and his "people's" job to get moby out there, to find an audience and keep and audience, get moby on tour, get him to meet people... etc etc. it really isn't in their best interests to make it difficult for people to find out when and where moby is playing, so i really don't think that inaccessibility of information is done on purpose. i also really think that it would be very 'jenn-o-centric' for me to think/expect moby, or his 'people' to call me up personally to tell me where and when a show is, hand-deliver me some tickets, or have a show come directly to me... i realize that i'm going to have to do some work to get to a show, and if when i get there, the show isn't as good as i wanted it to be, wasn't worth the effort i put in to getting there, i'm gonna lose a little bit of enthusiasm for moby. that's just the way it works. and if a time comes when i stop liking him/his music all together, well i know that there will be someone else t
o replace me on his li
5. finally, about the essays-- i think/thought/think (?) that moby writes those essays.... ummm... do you write those essays moby? (moby?)... uhhh... well, beyond that little question-- and even if he doesn't right them-- i still def applaud them-- cause even if someone disagrees with what he has written, the essays are catalysts for individual thought and decision making, encouraging active participation in the world, if only by not accepting the status quo put to us by our governments, families, peers or heroes, and making up our own minds about the state of the world and our lives. even if he doesn't write them, they still mean something...
NOTE: i do think, tho, it would be really good if moby did discuss them more (moby?)-- (i do realize that he does discuss the topics)-- rather than just writing them for people to read... i dunno... maybe he does... jeez i dunno.
okay-- that's my piece-- second time writing this puppy... and i'm brain-dead from trying to remember it all... hope you all stuck through it... thanks guys---
--J
------------------
>moby never talks about anything but his own music.
>when moby talks about his music, he makes sure that
>he's always talking about the next thing that will be
>coming out so people can go buy it. and just to be
>sure he get's his point across, he says it when half
>the people aren't listening, so he get's to talk about
>it himself. he does that with tour dates as well.
>because no one should have to call bass or
>ticketmaster or there local ticket seller. and they
>DEFINITELY shouldn't have to go to someplace that
>sells tickets and ask when and where he's playing.
>he's also really concerned that people think he may be
>a sell out. that's why he keeps making records that
>have a bunch of different types of music on them so
>that they can't be classified as one thing. that way
>the sell millions of albums and he's all over mtv just
>like the backstreet boys. who moby really admires. oh
>yeah! and all those things he writes about in his cd
>inserts, they don't mean anything! he has a ghost
>writer type those up so that he'll be more excepted by
>the mainstream and sell even more records! but he
okay-- so i've been a member of this mailing list for about a month now... give or take... and since i've been here moby has posted once... which was a huge surprise to me, as i wasn't expecting it at all...
my question is, does he drop in often, or was that a rare event that i was oh-so-lucky enough to witness?
I'm a 19 year old male. I work in the U.S. navy, coming from chicago. I own the rare b sides set, and the play album, i have recently started collecting, but am a long time fan of the eletronic scene. I am stationed in europe now and looking for the europe info to continue my collection and knowledge.
I love your page and what your doing.
sincerely, O'Briant
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From: david chamberlain <dchamber@chuma.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses
Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:01:16 -0400
JPCbridget@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hanson is better than Jewel? And you like Moby?!?!
Yes I love Moby I own 25 Moby Cds and I had to go out and spend money to
get them just like the FANatics of Limp Bizkit and Korn, who also feel
an emotional bind to that music. Just because you don't have the same
taste as some one does not make that music any less relevant. MOby is a
perfect example of this. He's versatile, He makes music to make you
cry, to make you learn, as well as making music to shake your ass and
get off to.
> He is cool b/c his music transcends the dollar sign and actually > speaks to his audience.
His audience is wide and consists of not only the people on this list
but also teeny boppers, industry insiders, other musicians, and people
who watch Greg and Dharma commmercials. And other than most rap these
days I don't know of any music that DOESN'T transcend the dollar sign, I
mean who thinks of that when they're enjoying the music?
> They say the 90's has nothing to define it, like the 60's had >Woodstock --> which is SO true. The convergence of mass media and >technology is definitely raping our society. BUT, why allow ourselves >to be corrupted by this?
Comments like this bother me immensely. In the 60's folk music was a
big market, like electronica is today. Woodstock was comprised of the
most popular "white people" music of the day, much like the Woodstock
and lollapaloozas of today. There were tons of other music festivals
back then. Sure drugs were acceptable back then as was free love etc,
but times change for a reason. I know people who went to woodstock 99
and the feelings they expressed to me were similar to those expressed by
the attendees of the original. Just because people change and trends
change doesn't mean the basic order of society changes.
> I guess its your perspective what music you like, but in my opinion, >Moby represents "real" music and I certainly don't consider a group of >small boys marketed through teen magazines and Nickelodeon "real."
I used to feel the same way since I am myself a musician and I play 8
instruments prolifically, I always used to hate hearing drum machines
and synth guitars, etc thinking it was not "real" enough for me. Then I
started working with an Emu analog synth from the 70s and became a
recording engineer and that made me realize it doesn't matter where the
music comes from, its how its put together and how it comes out. I mean
I consider Richard James to be far more "real" in the same genre as
Moby, but Moby's songs are more emotional and easier to move to. And
the BSB and Nsync use a lot more real instrumentation than Moby does,
and they're talented singers. They've all been singing their whole
lives and they're getting their fifteen minutes and I don't think anyone
should take that away from them. If you don't like their music then
don't support them by buying it. But don't belittle them. They work
hard at what they do, sow them respect for that.
> Peace.
Peace, Love and Harmony. a concept around well before the 1960's.
Subject: RE: (mobility) well, i maybe a sellout, but at least i don't use and abues bad oldies!!
Date: 25 Aug 1999 8:59:8 -0700 (PDT)
the GAP is certainly not a charity!
i have decided that i am very afraid of the people in those ads... they all have these vacant blank stares -- the world needs to see what the GAP is doing to people!! i can see the headlines now-- 'american corporation brainwashes youth, forcing them to purchase large quantities of corduroy pants and vests and sing bad songs from the 60's, 70's and 80's!'
please also take note that the same people who brought you 'everybody in cords' and 'everybody in vests' brought you <singing> 'old navy! old navy! old navy performance fleece!'
SAVE YOURSELVES!!!! SAVE YOURSELVES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!
---kimbalina <kimbalina@earthlink.net>
wrote:---
>
>I agree with that. Very scary. Hey didn't someone say that MOBY was going to do a Gap comercial? Hrmph. That's scary. But, MOBY
>tends to like to donate cash to charity so that's good. :-) Whatever helps is ok by me (not that I really matter :-)
>
>--kimby
>
>
>
----JHolland <mobscene@go.com> wrote:-------
>> >Okay-- I'm not sure if this has ANYTHING to do with selling out... and least of all Moby...
>>
>> >BUT -- what is with these GAP ads?? They are sooo wacky (and not a little bit scary!)!! 'mellow yellow???''dress you up in >my love??'
On a semi-related note: as i would really like to take part in this discussion, i really would like to see the video... does anyone know if bodyrock made it onto TRL yesturday? i tuned in at video #8 ... and saw neither heads or tails of moby (except for a brief moment in an add for the video music awards)...
what do you got for me people?
VOTE!
--J
---Io6032@aol.com
wrote:---
>in response to all the stuff that is being said right now.
>
>i have no clue where i stand on the whole world embrace moby / stay
>underground and tight with thte fans. i see it from both points. i wish more
>people knew who moby was when i mentioned his name, but i've noticed that a
>lot more people are getting to know him, not from bodyrock, but older stuff
>that they just come in contact with becasue their music tastes are expanding.
>
>my problem with the bodyrock is that it seems like an entirely a fatboy slim
>rip. i know that its been said that bodyrock, wasn't written after the whole
>bigbeat obsession, but even still its not a particularly great moby song.
>imho it kinda sucks mucho. i think there is was better stuff on play. and
>quite honestly fatboy slim does bigbeat better. the video just takes the
>fatboy slim comparisons to the next level. lets be honest how many when we
>first saw the video said "hey isn't this praise you???". i mean really its
>done in the almost exact same style. thats my problem. i wish moby could've
Moby is never going to sell out. Society takes what it finds different and intergrates it to keep living. The same old stuff gets boring. if you call being famous selling out then you've got to check your self. Selling out is conforming to the hip. He's not going to conform, society is.......
I goined the military, i know trust me.. i did it to keep going, not to sell out.
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