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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 01:17:17 -0800



4 Wilsons wrote:
>
> >an someone start a new thread please?
> like a survey or sumpin?
>
> Okay.. for a new thread.. I have a survey if you want to answer it..
>
> 1)  Do you like Moby?

duh

>
> 2)  Which album is your favourite?

not fair...it changes. so far I like them all
right now I would say the End Of Everything

>
> 3)  Which single is your favourite?

currently that would be "Why Can't It Stop?"
my body involuntarily jerks around whenever I play it!

>
> 4)  Which song is your favourite?

I guess on the average it would be either
ATINITBL or New Dawn Fades since I'm an even more devout Joy Division fan

>
> 5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?

I'd still be me, but I'd be ridiculously wealthy

>
> 6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?

the bald look suits him fine

>
> 7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?

this year sometime, I don't want to consider other possiblities yet

>
> 8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?

currently: 4 fatass cats (indoor/fixed)
       2 austrailian shepherds (live with my parents, sort of like mine)

previously: west highland white terrier
        countless rats
        at least 10 different birds
        one black cat with a taste for parakeets and cockatiels
        2 buramese pythons (8 feet long, they eat bunnies)
        (a pet that will show you the dark side of nature,
          probably not a good pet for a vegan)
        several other small snakes and amphibians
        countless fish, all freshwater
        and not my dog but I spent a couple years with a Great Dane everyday
        now that's a dog!

>
> 9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?

how long do I have and how much spending money?

I guess I would like to go to this one island I know of in the south pacific
(forget the name) where there is NO money- everything is barter system!

>
> 10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?

white because they come cheap in 12 packs like beer

>
> 11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?

people will be crazier and more stupid than ever

how the hell would i know

>
> 12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?

on that island i mentioned or enoying the millions of dollars I make
in the world of internet radio

>
> 13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?

whatever

>
> 14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?

people who insist on repeating the same song
over and over and over and over and over and over

>
> 15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?

as Jim Morrison said "I want the worms to eat my brains"
...sounds good enough as long as people don't use me as
some lab experiment after I'm dead

>
> 16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?

pepperidge farm- sausalito
white chocolate chip and macadamia nuts

>
> Ok.... answer if you feel like it.. or take a few questions and start a
> chain...  or flame me.. .or something like that.. or feel inspired and hand
> this out randomly to people on the street...  if I get enough response I
> may make a page of the results..

get rid of the toothbrush question
that's venturing into the land of lameness....

paul

>
> laterz!
>
> -Jennafur!
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Wishing wishful wishes we
> fearing blindness cannot see"
> -Carl Stephenson



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From: Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Honey/Video, Ani DiFranco
Date: 01 Feb 1999 10:54:28 +0100

On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 12:55:28PM -0700, Michaela Gerstner wrote:

> i agree with killpatient here.  i was kinda shocked at "honey", and
> disappointed.  considering it had been a while since he released
> anything, i was expecting something big and spectacular.  instead, it
> was honey.
Maybe is a changed similar to what he accomplished with AR, but, this
time, some of us may not like it, and call him betrayer :)

> experimenting with different tastes, but this one is kinda.. well..
> boring.  that's why i'm hoping that this new album that's coming out
> will be better than this.  i want something that i can get into... not
> something that leaves me going, "huh?!"
I asked a friend to get both singles (original and remixed) in London,
and it was that "huh?!" you're talking about. I personally prefer the
Rollo & Sister Bliss mix (TWIRFMR mix is great, too).

Talking about Honey and the video... I cant believe the country I live
in... Until I set up a dish at home to see Astra sat., couldnt manage
to see a Moby's video... I feel I was kinda isolated before this.
Future rules!

> and kelbert... yeah!  another ani difranco fan!  i saw her in concert
> last october and wasn't disappointed at all.
I couldnt say that "Joyful Girl" Ani was the same as "Wishing" Ani,
featured in "My Best Friend's Wedding"...

Anyway, I like Jackal a lot ;-)

--
Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]> ICQ#1252101 AIM:Tlabok Y!Kobalt14
Intercomputer soft, s.a                  (Any other pager?).
Dpto. de Tecnologia



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From: Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Bessie Jones
Date: 01 Feb 1999 10:57:48 +0100

Last Saturday, talking about old music with some elder friends (you know,
you always look like a childish guy who only knows this week's artists),
I mentioned Bessie Jones, and that Moby sampled one of her songs, and
one of my friends know her... I hope he could hand me any recording, or
tape, or whatever with "da song". Keep you informed.

BTW, they were talking about "The Smiths", a British band of the 80's,
I remember.

--
Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]> ICQ#1252101 AIM:Tlabok Y!Kobalt14
Intercomputer soft, s.a                  (Any other pager?).
Dpto. de Tecnologia



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From: Samu Heinonen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) boring
Date: 01 Feb 1999 12:01:31 +0200

this list has gone far too boring, and i am too bored to read it anymore..
i don't really wanna even know your personal moby favourites or something
like that. some point for the mails , please.
and other thing is that moby's music is ain't as good anymore as it was
back in 92-95.. almost every new produtions are quite awful, i hate to say
that, but i think so.
personally i have gone more for deep house and stuff like that. I just love
that deep & mood chicago house, that is what good music should be. i love
kevin yost, mood ii swing, wamdue kids, jori hulkkonen , glenn underground
and artists like that. anyone else here who likes too?
moby's music is too "pop" for me nowdays.


     -Samu Heinonen-
     [e-mail]-



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey says...
Date: 01 Feb 1999 11:34:08 +0000 (GMT)


On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:00:04 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> >1)  Do you like Moby?
>
> Yes.
>
> >2)  Which album is your favourite?
>
> Animal Rights.
>
> >3)  Which single is your favourite?
>
> Every time you touch me
>
> >4)  Which song is your favourite?
>
> All that I need is to be loved
>
> >5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
>
> Can't answer that..
>
> >6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
>
> Don't know - I haven't seen him with long hair yet, but I
would think short and shaved is better on him.
>
> >7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
>
> Summer this year-lucky guess?
>
> >8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
>
> DOG, but not anymore.
>
> >9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
>
> Amazonian rainforest.
>
> >10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
>
> black - tends to go with most other clothes and isn't
white.
>
> >11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
>
>
Well I don't think the world is going to end.
>
> >12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
>
> Probabaly homeless and on some street somwhere - who
knows?
>
> >13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
>
> Not fussed, but I seem to normally have red ones!?
>
> >14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
>
> People who think they can psychoanalyse others and judge
their character from a few words, but aren't prepared to
step out and be honest and vulnerable themselves, yet they
criticise others for doing so. Basically people who don't
give others a chance - unforgiving no matter what.
>
> >15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
>
> Cremated.
>
> >16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
>
> Don't have a favourite.
>

TMB

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 07:12:27 EST

1)  Do you like Moby?
    yes .
2)  Which album is your favourite?
    animal rights / everything is wrong /everything is wrong [dj mix]
3)  Which single is your favourite?
    come on baby
4)  Which song is your favourite?
    revolver
5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
    just a better superhuman me
6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
    afro
7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
    summer - towns... probably just big cities ... though it would be great for
him to get to cleveland or somewhere close to me .
8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
    cat .  dog
9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
    tibet
10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
    grey there the best of both sock worlds
11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
    nothing ... and then after they realize that it was a bunch of crap they'll
say they miss-predicted the year and its actually 2005 or some shit .
12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
    somewhere in the art industry
13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
    blue
14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
    people that say stuff about a genre of music ... or even just a band .. and
next year there listening to um and talking about um like they've liked um for
years ...
- that and people who wont even give a certain kind of music a chance ... to
even see if they like it ...
15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
    cremated
16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
    anything without alot of chocolate --



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 01 Feb 1999 07:13:12 EST


if its so damn boring then un-subscribe from it and get a life !




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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) breath of fresh air
Date: 01 Feb 1999 07:58:32 PST


>Fortran 5's track remixed by Moby is "Heart on the Line";(Voodoo Child
>Mix & Bassline Mix). "Only Time Will Tell" is Ten City.

Thanks for correcting me! I got some wires scrambled last night,
something to do with the Superbowl hullabaloo. I was thinking of John
Lydon, Ten City, Fortran 5, Pet Shop Boys, Aerosmith and the B-52s all
at one time. I remember you identified the Contracted mix of Voodoo
Child at a club, and you corrected my error here. It sounds like you've
got extensive knowledge of Moby's remixes, vinyl, and who knows what
else. If I remember correctly (which I usually don't) your name is Rob.
You should write more often!

Samu, I like the interesting ways Moby's music is growing, forwards and
sideways. I live near Chicago and I mostly detest the deep house and
jazzy house, like Boo Williams, Glen Underground, Cajmere, etc. Maybe
it's a geographical overexposure thing? Do you always have to listen to
pop music in Finland? I understand where you're coming from though, as I
don't like James Bond Theme. Oh, and sharing favorites is a good way to
get some conversation going, which is good.

One of my sister's friends claims that he has a sampler disc with a 1:30
snippet of a remix of NIN's Hurt which is credited to Reznor/Bowie/Moby.
I won't beleive it until I see it. Can anybody shed some light?
Production credit, maybe, not remix? I've never heard anything about
this before, but he says the sampler was made to test remix ideas and
see if they should go ahead and purchase/produce them. He used to work
for Sony/Jam!. He's a big metal & classic rock fan, but my sister has
got him listening to Feeling So Real and Bjork's Hyperballed. I loaned
him those two singles plus the Richard D. James album. Anyways, he
promised to bring over that sampler for me.

-Steve

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 09:14:47 -0500

>1)  Do you like Moby?
Of course, that's why I'm signed up for this list/drive my co-workers crazy
playing ILTS (quite appropriate for working in a movie theater, huh?)/drive
local DJ's crazy trying to get them to play moby/etc.

>2)  Which album is your favourite?
Either Animal Rights or I Like to Score, it all depends on my mood...

>3)  Which single is your favourite?
TWIRFMR - Mainly 'cause it was the first one i heard, and it just stuck...

>4)  Which song is your favourite?
Easily "Dog Heaven - Extended Mix" on the Dog Heaven Single

>5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
Just out of curiousity, what difference would it make?
The guy/gal who invented the wheel, so maybe i could feel like i've made a
difference on this craphole of a planet......

>6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
The bald one.

>7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
Summer 1999 (Actually, anytime is great, as long as he comes to Idaho)

>8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
have:  a chocolate laborador retriever (Snickers)
had:  2 black cats (ran away when we got the dog), a hamster (lived three
years, then died)

>9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
Out of Idaho.  from there it is wide open.

>10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
White - they are easier to find and keep clean

>11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
All the "survivalists" will blow themselves up just to say "i told you so!"
while the rest of the world deals with it as if it were 1989-1990.  Oh, and
people will write "1999" on their checks for the first three months...

>12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
I refuse to answer this question because it sounds like I'm applying for a
new job, in the fact that my answer won't be good enough to get me the job...

>13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
Clear - at least its the only color the dentist ever gives me...

>14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
People who see someone that is depressed or upset and just say "Cheer up!"
instead of "What's wrong?"  I personally feel that people who just tell me
to "Cheer up" don't give a damn about me, my life, or who I am (note: this
includes about 99.97% of the total world population)

>15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
Stuffed

>16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
Girl Scout Thin Mints that have been hiding in the freezer for about six months.

theres my answers.
praise/pity/anger/hatred/happiness/sorrow/flames/emotional support/offers
for psychiatric help can be sent to me or to the list...

daniel
"when I say dance, you best dance..." - VF




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From: "M. Rice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 04:11:03 -0700

>1)  Do you like Moby?

Yup.  His various works spend more time in my cd player than anyone still
putting out records.

>2)  Which album is your favourite?


Animal Rights

>3)  Which single is your favourite?


Hymn.alt.quiet.version.  My singles collection isn't very large yet, but I
think this one is wonderful.

>4)  Which song is your favourite?


When it's cold I'd like to die.

>5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?


I'd still wanna be me...

>6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?

Bald.

>7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?


This summer, I hope.  I don't wanna get dragged into lilith fair again...

>8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?


2 dogs presently.  humane society mutts.

>9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?

I'm happy where I am.

>10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?


White, cuz they match my white tux shirt

>11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?


I'll write a few checks for 1999.

>12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?


Alive.

>13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?


Green.

>14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?


Crowd surfers.

>15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?


Cremated

>16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?


Plain oatmeal






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From: "M. Rice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 04:12:31 -0700

Oh, and
>people will write "1999" on their checks for the first three months...
>

Damn, I shoulda read this one first.







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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 01 Feb 1999 12:11:44 +0000

hello,
I have been watching this list for about 12 months now and have finally got
around to adding my 2 cents and a short bio of types.

Typical
---
Name: Chris Stepanek
Age: 24
Birthdate: 01.20.74
Hair: Blonde
Eyes: Blue
Ethnicity: American/Norwegian
Occupation : Designer/Virtual Architect
Resides in: Westchester Country (the 'burbs north of NYC)
Works in: NYC as a graphic designer in NYC new media (in SoHo)
Interests: Design, Architecture, History, Languages, Philosophy and
Snowboarding (been riding Burton for 15 years now)
Married: Yes (to my wonderful Japanese angel Noriko)
Languages: English, Japanese (still learning), bits of norwegian, less
french.
I have lived in: New York, NYC, Arizona, Norway
I: hold a BFA in Industrial Design from Rochester Institute of tech (RIT) in
sunny rochester, NY, 1996 (Major'ed in Industrial design, minor'ed in
Architecture and art history)
I don't: Drink, Smoke, drug or take medications (at one time I called it
straightedge, then I grew up)

Ideals
---
I vote: Straight Republican (I could never morally allow myself to vote
Democrat)
I am an: atheist
I think: Ayn Rand wrote alot of truth, and also alot of lies
I have no: faith in mankind (I do not think of man as a heroic being)
I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.
I believe: we are not alone.
I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
(what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or man's
essential rights.
I am interested: in the essences behind most everything.
Favorite quote: (this is not a quote but how I remember it from the book)
"We are so stupid it took us 10,000 years to find the other side of the
world" Kilgore trout (aka, Kurt Voneguit, "timequake")
-or-
"Suicide is the most extreme form of self-critisism" unknown



Aesthetics
---
Favorite Creators:  John Pawson, Mario Botta, David Carson, Meis Van De
Rohe, Donald Judd, Mark Rothko, Calvin klein, Jil Sander.
Design Style: minimalism (some call it essentialism)
Worked as: An Architect, an Industrial designer and now a graphic designer
Favorite building: Seagram building, 52nd and Park Ave, NYC
Favorite 3 books: John Pawson "Minimum", Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged" and most
things Hemmingway wrote.
Favorite places: Northern Arizona and Southern Utah (any desert), the
arctic, NYC.

Music
---
Favorite Moby Album: Move
Favorite moby song: any version of "All I need is to be loved" ,but the
version on the Move disc is still the best
Moby collection: everything major (and most US singles, a few non US singles
too) since Move.  Also Voodoo Child and DJ Cake...and a few Dats from
friends.
Latest Moby purchases: the Honey Dics, I love 'em.
Other musicians: Portishead, Plastikman, Speedy j, Amon Tobin, Louis
Armstrong (and Ella too),Charlie parker, Earthcrisis, Jimi hendrix, the
Sisters or Mercy, ec8or, Blood For Blood the Velvet Underground, Snapcase,
Bjork....sXe hardcore, 30-40s swing and big band (not the new stuff),
ambient... old industrial and goth (I grew up listening to it all)....and
tons more those are just making the rounds in the CD players lately.
Favorite labels: Victory, DHR, Ninja tunes (selected groups though)
Favorite music Store: Other Music, NYC
Coolest Moby experience: meeting Moby on the Subway last summer and having
lunch with him, he really is an amazing person.

Odds and ends
---
I m a designer.  I am a modern.  I am a minimalist.  I like what I like and
ignore what I don't.
Blah blah blah... I have bored you all enough.
:)












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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 01 Feb 1999 17:31:41 +0000 (GMT)



> I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.

Why, since the Greeks?

> I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
> (what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or man's
> essential rights.

So you're saying the current western capitalists ideals
haven't stolen any of man's essential rights? I agree that
communism did not give man his freedom and essential
rights, either, but working for a more community minded,
less selfish approach to life is surely a good thing, for
everything around us?

Take a look at the third world, East Timor, Amazonian
rainforests, etc, etc and tell the people living there,
that the capitalists of the world haven't stolen any of
their basic human rights.

So what did you talk to Moby about when you met him, if all
the previous didn't bore you enough not to read it?

TMB
>
>
>
>
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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Samu Heinonen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) breath of fresh air
Date: 01 Feb 1999 19:59:42 +0200

At 07:58 1.2.1999 PST, you wrote:
>
>>Fortran 5's track remixed by Moby is "Heart on the Line";(Voodoo Child
>>Mix & Bassline Mix). "Only Time Will Tell" is Ten City.
>
>Thanks for correcting me! I got some wires scrambled last night,
>something to do with the Superbowl hullabaloo. I was thinking of John
>Lydon, Ten City, Fortran 5, Pet Shop Boys, Aerosmith and the B-52s all
>at one time. I remember you identified the Contracted mix of Voodoo
>Child at a club, and you corrected my error here. It sounds like you've
>got extensive knowledge of Moby's remixes, vinyl, and who knows what
>else. If I remember correctly (which I usually don't) your name is Rob.
>You should write more often!
>
>Samu, I like the interesting ways Moby's music is growing, forwards and
>sideways. I live near Chicago and I mostly detest the deep house and
>jazzy house, like Boo Williams, Glen Underground, Cajmere, etc. Maybe
>it's a geographical overexposure thing? Do you always have to listen to
>pop music in Finland? I understand where you're coming from though, as I
>don't like James Bond Theme. Oh, and sharing favorites is a good way to
>get some conversation going, which is good.
>
>One of my sister's friends claims that he has a sampler disc with a 1:30
>snippet of a remix of NIN's Hurt which is credited to Reznor/Bowie/Moby.
>I won't beleive it until I see it. Can anybody shed some light?
>Production credit, maybe, not remix? I've never heard anything about
>this before, but he says the sampler was made to test remix ideas and
>see if they should go ahead and purchase/produce them. He used to work
>for Sony/Jam!. He's a big metal & classic rock fan, but my sister has
>got him listening to Feeling So Real and Bjork's Hyperballed. I loaned
>him those two singles plus the Richard D. James album. Anyways, he
>promised to bring over that sampler for me.
>
>-Steve
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
I really like to say that i love moby's old material.. when i heard some
oldskool techno like "drop a beat" or "go" my body and my mind goes some
other planet :)
But, nowdays most of the Moby's material is shit. There are plenty of good
too, but i really hate his hardrock/heavy metal experiences and also some
poptechno like "james bond theme".. but honey was good, i loved that groove
around Bessie Jones sample. But I also have to say that i liked Sharam (man
from deep dish) mix more than Moby's original.
And for you Steve.. You better check out soon new 12" on guidance from
finnish trio called "nuspirit helsinki" in march. There are also longplay
coming soon.
I really also like to say that we have really good house and jungle scene
at finland.. that's the way i came across to chicago deep house and stuff
like that. Best house music is coming from Us, that is fact.
Btw,sorry about my bad english :)
     -Samu Heinonen-
     [e-mail]-



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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey says...
Date: 01 Feb 1999 13:19:41 -0800

Ick.  Last day of freedom before I start chemistry tomorrow morning bright
and early at 8:15am. ick ick ick.  don't ask me why im filling it out...
i'm taking a break and i felt like writing something of little substance to
the list. (oh wait... ALL my posts are like that. my bad. hehehe).  i
wonder if this survey is going to start another flame war? hrm.... well,
here's my two cents.

> >1)  Do you like Moby?

no. actually i hate moby and i'm plotting to kill him, and i'm just
gathering background info on him,  hence the fact i'm on this list.  geeze.
of course i like moby. but I like new order and richie hawtin more than
moby at this point in time.

> >2)  Which album is your favourite?

End of Everything.  by far my fave.

> >3)  Which single is your favourite?

TWIRFMR. gotta adore lovesick. and displaced and sway are pretty damn cool
too.

> >4)  Which song is your favourite?

umm... changes a lot.  i've always been fond of everything is wrong on
(duh) EIW. twas one of the first moby tracks i had ever heard.  i love slow
motion suicide too.

> >5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?

i'd want to still be me, but 4 to 5 years older and a professional
photographer who messes around with an electronic music side project.
similar to my old side project, FOAD, but actually releasing something to
the general public, therefore being able to tour.  and having my own record
label. something like plus 8, where i can release what i think is
innovative and cool in my own mind.

> >6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?

moby needs dreads.  that would be cool.  blazing red dreads. oh wait...
that's what i want. my bad. err... who cares what his hair looks like?
he's still the same person inside.

> >7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?

don't know, don't care.  i'm more concered getting trent reznor off his
lazy ass and going on tour.  i've been wanting to see nin live for soooooo
long now, and it doesn't help that my boi saw the self destruct tour and
was five feet away from trent. grr...

> >8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
>
cats, dogs, fishies... does a furby count as a pet too??

> >9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?

Ireland.  I want to meet the rest of my family.

> >10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?

my fave pair of socks is blue and white. wait. what the hell kind of
question is this??

> >11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?

well... in the spring of 2000 i'll finally be done highschool and out of
this horrid town i live in full of horrid people... and that's a good
thing.  but basically, i don't believe the hype.  the year 2000 will have
some minor annoyances, but that's it.  now watch me be totally wrong...

> >12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?

maybe a published writer, maybe some sort of recording artist.  hopefully
an acomplished photographer and a university graduate. and oh yeah. ten
years older.

> >13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
>
dumb question.  a toothbrush is a toothbrush.
>
> >14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?

people who call themselves DJ such and such.  half the time they're really
crappy DJs anyway.  if you're really that great of a DJ, do you really need
to be called DJ *insert crappy name here*??  and DJs who writE thEir namEs
likE this.  WE GET THE GODDAMN POINT!! *ahem*

> >15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?

dunno yet. i don't even know if i want my organs donated or not yet.

> >16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?

beh.  cookies suck. non dairy pudding snacks. those rawk.




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From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 14:12:34 -0800

> 1)  Do you like Moby?      very much.
>
> 2)  Which album is your favourite?      The end of everything

> 3)  Which single is your favourite?
>     the orange t.w.i.r.f.m.r. cd

> 4)  Which song is your favourite?      gmotfow (heat mix)
>
> 5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?      I'd be an improved version of my self.

> 6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?      shaved!

> 7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?      I don't know

> 8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?      I had fish but they died. pets are nice, but too much trouble
      for me. I like women so much more.

> 9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?    I'm not sure. maybe somewhere outdoors.

>
> 11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?       I'm sure there will be some mass suicides, riots, and
       other so on, but life will go on.

> 12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?       happy

> 14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?       There are waaay too many to write all of them, but I
       detest tele-marketers, people that waste my time,
       & answering my phone.

> 15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?       I don't like the idea of rotting in the ground for centuries
       *or* being burned to ashes. I'll need a better alternative.

> 16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?       I rarely eat cookies.



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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: @@@@Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 01 Feb 1999 13:16:14 -0600

>
>
>> I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.
>
>Why, since the Greeks?


I wouldn't give the Greeks too much credit either, only Aristotle was true
to rational principles, and even then was primitive in his scientific
"discoveries."  The greeks were a rather repressive society in many aspects.

>> I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
>> (what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or
man's
>> essential rights.

aka Statism as a more encompassing term.

>
>So you're saying the current western capitalists ideals
>haven't stolen any of man's essential rights? I agree that
>communism did not give man his freedom and essential
>rights, either, but working for a more community minded,
>less selfish approach to life is surely a good thing, for
>everything around us?

Although I would agree that mixed market economies such as the US and
especially Europe are not true to the ideals of say Adam Smith or Ayn Rand,
the ideals are far from flawed.  Laisezz-faire capitalism is the ONLY system
that respects man's individual, natural rights.  Only under a free market,
free of government controls in a non-welfare state can man only rely on
himself without subjugating other's wealth, talents, or work.  Governments
that do not respect these rights merely expropriate individuals in the name
of the "redistribution of wealth."  This concept has been romanticized in
the character of Robin-hood.  What principle requires man to give to his
fellow man?  What valid ideal requires him to sacrifice anything for his
neighbor?  The answer becomes clear when you get to the true motivation of
these Statist countries.  They have NO respect for man's rights, no desire
to see him achieve and no concept of ownership, the deserved and the
undeserved.  If individuals decide to give of themselves to others, fine,
then they are practicing their CHOICE to do so.  HOWEVER, no individual or
group of individuals should ever be compelled, required, or expected to give
of themselves under the guise of altruistic principles.  So no,
communitarianism(actaully just another varient of the
altruist-collectivist-statist axiom) is not an innately GOOD thing.

>Take a look at the third world, East Timor, Amazonian
>rainforests, etc, etc and tell the people living there,
>that the capitalists of the world haven't stolen any of
>their basic human rights.

This is FAR from laisezz-faire capitalism.  This is COLONIALISM.
Laisezz-faire capitalist governments, true capitalist governments would
never be so inconsistent as to have a repressive foreign policy that allows
a state monopoly on the exploitation of third world nations.  And in fact,
positive colonialism, that practiced by the British brought regional
stability to warring tribal countries, not repressive exploitation.  They
were only interested in shutting down economic barriers.  Granted, foreign
competition would then undercut local merchants, but that is what
competition is all about.  Given a wholistic view and compared to colonies
ruled by the Portugese or Germans, Britain had a relatively positive impact
on their colonies.

More specifically to the point, East Timor is being repressed by a SOCIALIST
nation, I'm sure that they would much rather be under the protectorate of
any European(or US) protectorate representing capitalist interests.  The
amazonian rainforests?  what are you refering to?  Their destruction is due
to local farmers and price competition with foreign food supplies.  Would
you rather the local poor, who are already on subsistence income be subject
to the artificially high prices of local merchants?  Exploitation from
capitalists is non existent in a free market.  It's only when protectionist
policies internationally and goverment controls nationally are instituted
that individual rights are destroyed and exploitation of people begin.

Notice, I put a @@@@ at the beginning of the mail, so dong't waste even more
bandwidth complaining about this.  It is a very valid thread considering the
liner notes moby has written before, and in the 1.5-2 years that I have been
on this list, I have never seen a more promising subject, so to any
potential complaints regarding this thread, blow off.  However, I think we
can keep it going for some interesting discussion.




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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) @@@@Welcome to Chris from Chris
Date: 01 Feb 1999 13:24:51 -0600

>I vote: Straight Republican (I could never morally allow myself to vote
>Democrat)


Why not Libertarian?  HA!

>I am an: atheist
>I think: Ayn Rand wrote alot of truth, and also alot of lies

Lies?  praytell which ones?

>I have no: faith in mankind (I do not think of man as a heroic being)

Oh, this one, okay.

>I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.
>I believe: we are not alone.
>I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
>(what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or
man's
>essential rights.

See other long email

>Design Style: minimalism (some call it essentialism)
>Worked as: An Architect, an Industrial designer and now a graphic designer
>Favorite building: Seagram building, 52nd and Park Ave, NYC
>Favorite 3 books: John Pawson "Minimum", Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged" and most
>things Hemmingway wrote.

HA!  An architect who loves "Atlas Shrugged"!  I think you should take more
stock in John Galt's speeches.  A fellow architect should know the beautiful
achievments man is capable of, right?

>---
>Favorite Moby Album: Move
>Favorite moby song: any version of "All I need is to be loved" ,but the
>version on the Move disc is still the best
>Moby collection: everything major (and most US singles, a few non US
singles
>too) since Move.  Also Voodoo Child and DJ Cake...and a few Dats from
>friends.
>Latest Moby purchases: the Honey Dics, I love 'em.
>Other musicians: Portishead,

Kick ass.

>Plastikman,

Now kelly has yet another reason to share plastikman news with us ;)

>>>snip<<<<

>Coolest Moby experience: meeting Moby on the Subway last summer and having
>lunch with him, he really is an amazing person.

Cool.




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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan
Date: 01 Feb 1999 12:22:12 PST

I'm glad you spoke up, Chris, welcome!

During his CMJ speech, Moby called the current state of radio "soulless
and anemic", citing the Wallflowers as an example. Here's their
response. Dylan calls Moby jealous of their sales, among other things.
The other members are more moderate in their responses.

http://www.musicianmag.com/art/wallflowers/

I don't have Real Audio. However, here's a Playing By Heart track
listing and ra file, which I assume is a sampler of snippets from the
soundtrack. Porcelain might be in there. Will somebody do a favor and
let us know?

http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/

http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/playingbyheart.ram

ILTS interview about soundtracks, Moby's fave Bond actor, etc.
http://www.muse.ie/archive/interviews/moby.html

-Steve


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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan
Date: 01 Feb 1999 13:53:21 -0500

Of course Jakob Dylan would think moby is being jealous, but the one thing
i've noticed in comparing the two artist's music is that moby is a lot less
willing to stick to a "formula" - for crying out loud, the guy released 3
CD's in one year, and none sounded alike!  The Wallflowers, like everclear,
3eb, hole, etc., have trouble stringing three songs together that sound
different.  It all boils down to who is the better musician.  Sales are
irrelevant, just an industry benchmark to see who is the radio darling of
the month (or longer, in everclear's case)

True, you can't discount Dylan's background (I think that Jakob's
songwriting, singing, voice, hair, looks, etc. are better than Bob's), but I
think the Wallflowers are reluctant to stray from their formula and
(potentially) lose their popularity.  As I've said before, when you can't
listen to the radio without hearing the same song five times before
something different (read: out of the mainstream, ie. moby, pilfers, kmfdm,
even Lorena McKinnett) something needs to change.

Speaking of KMFDM, I don't think they've really broken up.  If you read the
liner notes to "Agogo,"  you find, "Never forget, kmfdm are germans with a
sense of humor..."  I think this is a joke they are playing on us.  If i'm
wrong, though, oh well.  They've had fifteen great years, and all good
things blah blah blah...

anyways, i'll shut up, seeing as i've talked long enough........
daniel

"We came all the way from Taipei today, now Bangkok's pouring rain and i'm
going blind again and i haven't seen my girl for 15,000 miles..." - The
Refreshments (r.i.p)

>During his CMJ speech, Moby called the current state of radio "soulless
>and anemic", citing the Wallflowers as an example. Here's their
>response. Dylan calls Moby jealous of their sales, among other things.
>The other members are more moderate in their responses.
<snip, snip - oh god, they gave me sciccors again!!!!!!!!!!>




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From: Shaun David Rader  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Jacob Dylan <FINALLY a clip of Porcelain!>
Date: 01 Feb 1999 14:45:11 -0800 (PST)

Thanks Steve for the link below...

At about 15 minutes 25 seconds into the real audio file is Porcelain!


Shaun


On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Steve Giles wrote:

>I don't have Real Audio. However, here's a Playing By Heart track
>listing and ra file, which I assume is a sampler of snippets from the
>soundtrack. Porcelain might be in there. Will somebody do a favor and
>let us know?
>
>http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/
>
>http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/playingbyheart.ram




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From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) "Honey"
Date: 01 Feb 1999 18:14:12 -0600

I love the original mix of "Honey", and i hate all of the "official"
remixes. Zac(Shackof Xaq) did a remix which, IMO is better than the
original and WAY better than all the uninspired remixes that make me wanna
scream.  If you people have any taste in music at all, you will love Xaq's
music.  For some reason people seem scared to buy anything that's not on a
big label.  I think that unsigned musicians are my favorite kind, 'cause
you hear so much crap, but when you find someone excellent-Wooo-Hooo!  His
new cd is comin' out next month, and ya betta git it!






MO






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From: danny legare <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) surv-eh?
Date: 01 Feb 1999 16:44:49 -0800

1)  Do you like Moby?

i do

2)  Which album is your favourite?

end of everything (uk version)

3)  Which single is your favourite?

hymn.alt.quiet.version

4)  Which song is your favourite?

move (the full version)

5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?

myself

i think you wanted to ask "if you can be anyone else..."

6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?

bald

7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?

summer 99

8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?

a spice girl cardboard stand up doll, my 9 feet tall fig tree.

9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?

back in time

11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?

good question.
been reading up on the mayan prophecies.
nothing will happen in 2000-maybe a few years after that.

14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?

bad grammar-spoken and written

15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?

cremated thank you.

16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?

white chocalate macadamian nut. and only a couple of those a year.

Dan Legare
Nettwerk Productions
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
phone:[phone]
fax:[phone]
toll free:1.888.764.9244
http://www.nettwerk.com






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From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 01 Feb 1999 19:15:22 +0000

>  i am a designer.  I am a modern.  I am a minimalist.  I like what I like and
> ignore what I don't.
> Blah blah blah... I have bored you all enough.
> :)
>
you are NO minimalist my dear man when it comes to
self-descriptions.........!
sure ...man may be no hero.......so why bother listing yours and
having any at all?
and you iGNORE death disease poverty hate and ignorant socio-political
systems?


good luck and please fill out the survey..........

damian......

kill me please.



clay



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From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 22:24:08 -0500

Okay... the results from the survey have been interesting.  I'd just like
to add a few things.  The question do you like Moby was sarcastic.  I DO
realize that this is a list concerning Moby and his music.  Thanks for your
replies.. if/when I compile them on a list somewhere I will give you all
the url.

>my fave pair of socks is blue and white. wait. what the hell kind of
>question is this??

Oooh.. touchy.. it's just a question!  That's all the HELL it is!
Question- sentence adapted by order of words, use of interrogative pronoun
or question mark, or other means, to elicit an answer.

Okay.. i know the question about the toothbrush wasn't too popular..  It
was not meant as a serious question either.. How much one person thinks
about their toothbrush depends apon their priorities.

The answers to the pet question were interesting as well.. I don't think I
read about anyone else having gerbils.. but I am curious to know
(privately, not via the list) your experiences with them or other rodents..


It seems the majority of you prefer Moby with a bald head.. that's amusing!
 Obviously it would not make a difference to his music what his hairstyle
was... but we cannot pretend to be blind and not show some kind of
preference!  It would be interesting to see him donn a toupe/mohawk/afro
some time... as some of you suggested!

Also preferred are primarly black and white socks... due to their
practicality!

Laterz!

-Jennafur!

Wishing wishful wishes we
fearing blindness cannot see"
-Carl Stephenson




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From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 01 Feb 1999 21:28:15 PST



>1)  Do you like Moby?
 Moby? I thought this was a Herman Melville List???
>2)  Which album is your favourite?
 Everything is Wrong
>3)  Which single is your favourite?
 Next is the E
>4)  Which song is your favourite?
 Next is the E (victory mix), The Rain Falls and The Sky Shudders and
yes Porcelain (I love this song).
>5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
 Me
>6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
 No Hair
>7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
 This summer I hope
>8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
 I've had a Dog, A Newt, two finches and a rabbit.
>9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
 Tought question...probably England or Norway.
>10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
White...the color never fades.
>11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
 I will play 2k/KLF's F**K the millenium until I feel like
stopping...but other than that...it will be just another year gone by.
>12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
 In D.C. or Denver...as a Lawyer fresh out of Law School (well a year of
two out of law school).
>13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
Gray
>14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
Dishonesty
>15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
 Cremated
>16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
 Peanut Butter

Jake
"The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato (Aristocles)
"One cannot step twice into the same river"-Heraclitus
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From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks2
Date: 02 Feb 1999 02:41:53 -0600 (CST)



On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> Greg, can we PLEASE get an update on the CD?!?!?  Can you let us know about
> deadlines, progress, etc.?  I am sure we would all be interested in hearing
> from you on this.

Wheh - I've been quiet for a bit, no?  Sorry about that.

Okay, concerning the web site: I suck.  I know, I do.  I WILL get it up
there but its one of those pathetic annoyances about myself where I'm like
"shite!  I've got to get this site up, but I need to finish writing ____,
and I need to do this work-related project, and Jerry Ryan is on that TV
show tonight, and, well, I refuse to put up something that looks like
crap!"  Yeah, I know, pathetic. I'm working on it. :)

So, I'll make you guys a deal.  I'll either get that site up in the next 7
days (and it'll look alright) or I'll swallow it and put a text-only site
up and be done with it.  Okay, wow.  Now I've done it.  Said I'd get the
site up.  Wheh.

Okay then!

Concerning Thanks I: it will be re-released at the same time as Thanks II.
No pricing info yet.

For the Thanks II, I've received the following:

Eric M. Goldberg:
Moby - Everything Is Wrong (Revival)
Moby - Myopia (Tone Matrix Mix)

Andrew J. Davies:
Drug Fits the Face (Epsilon mix)
M Four (G Eleven mix)

Geoffrey Sproule - Geoff, I can't get this unzipped?!  What did you zip it
                   with, and did you FTP it in binary mode?
Sound (remix)

So, that's a whopping 5 tracks, one that I can't get to unzip.  Now, I've
had several people say they were going to snail-mail me their tracks
(which is fine) but I haven't received anything.  I'll keep the list
posted, but we need to get going on this.  How much more time does
everyone need?

Also, PLEASE keep in mind that while I try to read all of the mobility
messages sometimes I just don't keep up.  If it is THANKS II related,
PLEASE PUT THAT IN THE HEADER!!! (or send me direct mail).  If I've missed
any questions, please let me know.

And one quick opinion: while I know everyone wants this done (lord knows I
do) if you guys need more time to make it good, then let's do it.  I'm
more into quality then timelines.  Now, we want this out before y2k and
all, but if we need till March, fine, let's just make sure its damn good
(I'd like to send something Moby's way that is GOOD - wouldn't that be
cool?)

Oh, and on another note: I thought Honey was okay, not great.  I must
confess, I dig Moby in all his old-school techno/trance might.  That's the
stuff that drew me to him, and that's what I love the most.  I hope he
keeps kicking a few of those out while he continues to push his artistic
boundaries.

Off to bed for me!

-G










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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Welcome to Chris from Chris
Date: 02 Feb 1999 09:10:11 +0000 (GMT)

First of all, I'd like to thank both Chris'. Thank you
Mr.'new' Chris, but old to the topics over the passed year
for your introduction (would like to hear your views and
if you just so happened to discuss them with Moby, to make
this somewhat Moby related - and if they're similar to Mr.
Bourke's, though I strongly beg to differ!) - interesting
and Mr. Bourke for commenting on the more 'social' side of
things. I would definitely like to respond to your views on
the state of the world, but right now is not a good time -
so laters (and I'll add @@@@@ when I do, to show some
solidarity for those who are interested in this topic only).

Cheers people - something's happening on all fronts!

TMB

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) I am, well not so new...the reply...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 11:34:13 +0000

ok...on to a few, well points...

1)I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.

I agree with Chris...on many things actually.  What I mean by society has
gone down hill from the Greeks I am refering to major philisophical and
aesthetic advances.  True Greek society was very repressive, and primitive
and harsh but look at what the Greeks gave us.  Architecturally (everything
that followed was based on Greek refinements), Philisophically (refined
logical thinking and the first true philisophical thinking), and Socially
(civic planning on a grand scale, public spaces, education).  Society for
thousands of years has been refining and build off of Greek tradition.  Sure
we have made advancements in science and technology since then but what I am
really concerned with in this point is the essence behind what the Greeks
gave us.

2)>> I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
>> (what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or man's
>> essential rights.

Again Chris I 100% agree with you.  Actually you said what I was going to
say, but far better than I.  Laisezz-faire capitalism is the only form of
economy/political system (even though it is not) that allows man to live in
true freedom.  See Christopher Michael Bourke's wonderful thoughts in
mobility #317 for further explaination.

3)>I vote: Straight Republican (I could never morally allow myself to vote
>Democrat) Why not Libertarian?  HA!

Please?!

4)>I think: Ayn Rand wrote alot of truth, and also alot of lies

Lies?  praytell which ones?

I agree with alot of what Ayn Rand wrote and thought.  I do however disagree
with her interpretation of Art and culture.

5)HA!  An architect who loves "Atlas Shrugged"!  I think you should take
more
stock in John Galt's speeches.  A fellow architect should know the beautiful
achievments man is capable of, right?


Yes I do think man is capable of beautiful achievments.  However I think
they are the exception and not the norm.


6)>Coolest Moby experience: meeting Moby on the Subway last summer and
having
>lunch with him, he really is an amazing person.

What did we talk about?  Philosophy, religion (blah) and a pair of shoes
Moby just bought.

----

Ok I have taken up enough space in this list with this stuff.  If you wanna
talk about this please e-mail me and we will talk there, and not fill this
list up with un related Moby stuff.

thanks
chris
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) survey
Date: 02 Feb 1999 11:39:44 +0000

>1)  Do you like Moby?
Yup.  He never stops surprising me.  It is hard not to.
>2)  Which album is your favourite?
Move
>3)  Which single is your favourite?
the revolver one with the 11 minute revolver remix (the orange disc)
>4)  Which song is your favourite?
All that I need is to be loved (the one on the move disc is the best)
>5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
I am happy as myself
>6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
bald
>7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
summer into fall 99
>8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
I am a cat person.  But I presently have no pets.
>9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
Back to the Arizona desert or back to the arctic circle.
>10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
white...I am a geek.
>11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
Y2K..not much.  The century...faster technological and social advancements
than we have ever seen.
>12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
Still in NYC, once you are here it is hard to find a reason to leave.
>13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
green
>14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
loud eating
>15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
cremated
>16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
oatmeal





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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: @@@@Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 17:38:21 +0000

Britain had a relatively positive impact
on their colonies.

Oh really!?




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From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:01:26 -0500
Date: 02 Feb 1999 11:45:15 -0700

**sorry this is late.. my mail server is acting up again!!!!**

no way tim!  your birthday could not have been the 30th!  that's
mine!!!  this is weird.. never knew another person w/ the same b-day,
except my 3rd grade teacher.

anyways.. happy belated b-day!  sorry this is non-moby, but i had to
post this.

i never got the original e-mail for that survey!  hmm... maybe my mail
survey is deleting my messages.  i'll try to fill it out when i get the
time.. hopefully.  i'm not keeping any promises.

and ******_WELCOME_****** to all the new people!  i have your names
somewheres in my mail but i am in a hurry to get to class, so don't be
mad that i don't mention your names.  :)

anywayz... better send this before i'm late.
plov

Tim Beecher wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:00:49 -0700 4 Wilsons
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Question-  If you are considered vegetarian because you don't eat meat,
> > then what is vegetarian footwear.. if you don't plan to eat it?
> >
> Good question and I've always wondered, but that's what
> some call them and I picked up the term - brainless sheep?
>
> Maybe...it's just easier?
>
> TMB
>
> P.S. Thanks for the gingerbread man recipe - I could have
> made some on Sat 30th Jan, for me b'day. Maybe next year!?
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]



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From: Chris Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: @@@@Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 12:50:07 -0600 (CST)

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> Britain had a relatively positive impact
> on their colonies.
>
> Oh really!?

Yes, really.

I originally intended to leave the message like that as a joke, but I
can't resist elaborating(something that you should have done).

Britain ended the legal descrimination of India's caste system that had
prevailed for thousands of years, creating one of the most stable third
world democracies(to this day!) who have a majority vote and still respect
individual liberties.

In Africa Britain ended centuries of tribal warfare in their colonies,
bringing about peace and relative order, giving structure again to
governments and society as a whole

Britain was the first European country to ban slavery, and not just in
Britain, they banned it in the entire empire, saving millions of lives and
staving off the slave trade.

In general, Britain was interested not in nationalistic conquest or
violent repressive expropriation, rather they were interested in expanding
markets and opening trade routes by forcing GOVERNMENTS(little more than
local and regional tyrants) to lower trade barriers.  In China for
example, Britain ended the tyrannical hold on the economy during the Opium
wars.  The contact and influence of latent enlightenment principles
Britain brought with them were the positive impact that they had on their
colonies.






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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) (@@@Re: Chris Bourke's opinion on Britain and its colonies
Date: 02 Feb 1999 19:41:35 +0000



Reply-to:      [e-mail]

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> Britain had a relatively positive impact
> on their colonies.
>
> Oh really!?

Yes, really.

I originally intended to leave the message like that as a joke, but I
can't resist elaborating(something that you should have done).

Britain ended the legal discrimination of India's caste system that had
prevailed for thousands of years, creating one of the most stable third
world democracies(to this day!) who have a majority vote and still respect
individual liberties.

In Africa Britain ended centuries of tribal warfare in their colonies,
bringing about peace and relative order, giving structure again to
governments and society as a whole

Britain interfered in cultures that they had no right getting
involved in destroying their heritage by force.

Britain was the first European country to ban slavery, and not just in
Britain, they banned it in the entire empire, saving millions of lives and
staving off the slave trade.

I believe it was one of the 1st countries to forcibly take African
people and put them in shackles killing thousands of them by the
inhumane shipping to America which after all was originally a group
of British colonies.  Also they forced the Indians from their
territorial homelands and made them live in encampments which could
not sustain them.  Despite the constitution America was founded on
racism and aggression largely by the British and I think a lot of
the problems that American society has has being present since those
days.  Having said that I am British and am deeply ashamed of some of
my country's evil past.  I think that other countries have overtaken
us in the 'evilness' chart as it were and Britain despite its own
problems is on the whole a good ethical society.(This is a
generalization I must stress.)  The best parts of the British
mentality and society in general I love but there are sinister
elements which I find very disturbing and upsetting.

In general, Britain was interested not in nationalistic conquest or
violent repressive expropriation,The contact and influence of latent
enlightenment principles Britain brought with them were the positive
impact that they had on their colonies.

I am afraid I just don't agree with this.

Ed







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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: @@@@@(mobility) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:01:26 -0500
Date: 02 Feb 1999 21:18:46 +0000 (GMT)

Sorry to others on mobility, I only have time to hit reply
to this, but it's even weirder that yet another person I've
encountered in the last week has said their birthday is the
same as mine - at least three others!

So happy belated birthday to you too!

Hope it was good!?

Bye for now,

Tim.

On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:45:15 -0700 Michaela Gerstner
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> **sorry this is late.. my mail server is acting up again!!!!**
>
> no way tim!  your birthday could not have been the 30th!  that's
> mine!!!  this is weird.. never knew another person w/ the same b-day,
> except my 3rd grade teacher.
>
> anyways.. happy belated b-day!  sorry this is non-moby, but i had to
> post this.
>
> i never got the original e-mail for that survey!  hmm... maybe my mail
> survey is deleting my messages.  i'll try to fill it out when i get the
> time.. hopefully.  i'm not keeping any promises.
>
> and ******_WELCOME_****** to all the new people!  i have your names
> somewheres in my mail but i am in a hurry to get to class, so don't be
> mad that i don't mention your names.  :)
>
> anywayz... better send this before i'm late.
> plov
>
> Tim Beecher wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:00:49 -0700 4 Wilsons
> > <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Question-  If you are considered vegetarian because you don't eat meat,
> > > then what is vegetarian footwear.. if you don't plan to eat it?
> > >
> > Good question and I've always wondered, but that's what
> > some call them and I picked up the term - brainless sheep?
> >
> > Maybe...it's just easier?
> >
> > TMB
> >
> > P.S. Thanks for the gingerbread man recipe - I could have
> > made some on Sat 30th Jan, for me b'day. Maybe next year!?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ----------------------
> > Tim Beecher
> > Cranfield University
> > [e-mail]
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: @@@@Re: (mobility) Let's get some reality here please...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:27:15 +0000 (GMT)

Oh come on both Chris', let's get some reality here.
Britain was primarily interested in advancing it's own
wealth at the expense of the people it conquered - thank
God colonialism has virtually died amongst the European
nations. It was pure exploitation, and competition for
power that accelerated the ravaging of other cultures and
their wealth to be ahead of their other European rivals.
The French and the British were constantly at it and look
how the Spanish before them decimated the peoples of
Central and South America. They had a very advanced
civilisation compared to many money grabbing, war mongering
Europeans.

I think it's pure arrogance to suggest that any nation
should be encouraged to force others to accept its way of
life, culture and religion. Some people in the West have a
serious superiority complex!

Tribal wars in Africa were far less damaging to the world
and humanity than those fought by present 'first world'
nations over the centuries, but none so appalling as this
century.

The U.S.A. was also built on colonialism to get where it is
today - the native peoples didn't get much say when it came
to living on their own land and what rights they had to
their own land. I don't think you'd be saying the same
things if the tables were turned.

Capitalism and globalisation today, thanks to the 'free
market' has pushed its new brand of colonialism and
imperialism on other nations inside and outside the West,
to satisfy the minority rich in the rich nations and fuck
up the 'have-nots' in the process - the majority of these
people are forced into poverty by the current system. The
Majority world (Third World) nations are held to ransom by
the IMF and World Bank by never-ending debt and usury
(usury, at one time being a sin according to old
Judaeo-Christian and Islamic beliefs).

Laissez-faire capitalism (sounds better than the present
form) but has led to ludicrous pacts between rich
governments allowing industry to have free reign, in
whatever countries industry chooses, i.e. the MAI pact
recently in Geneva. Industry will have no accountability -
so it can exploit workers, pollute the environment and just
continue to ravage about any decent thing left in society
and the world around us with no controls and governments of
poorer countries and even the rich ones won't be able to do
a damn thing about it unless this crazy notion is stopped.
So capitalism, laissez - frigging - faire or not, will
still exploit for capitalists' own ends; someone will
always suffer as a result.

I'm not sure you can refer to Indonesia as a socialist
nation - it is still hands-in-glove with the capitalists of
the West, which helps fund it's repression of the East
Timorese and it's own people. Even China is more of a
capitalist nation with the gloss of communist principles
over it - now that is repressive to the extreme - the worst
of both bad worlds.

As for the rainforests and indigenous peoples - I'm not
just referring to the Amazonian one. Their destruction is
fuelled by the insatiable desire of capitalist-driven
globalisation. Subsistence farmers wouldn't have to destroy
so much if they were in a state that provided controlled
and carefully managed agriculture and
conservation/ecological principles to benefit everybody and
everything. Let's also remember that the prime culprits of
rainforest destruction are the rich cattle ranchers, heavy
industry and dam builders funded by the World Bank, for the
rich countries own interest and usury.

There is enough food to feed everyone in the world right
now, but under the current economic regime (which is out of
control and is on the verge of self-destruction)- the haves
get more and the have-nots get even less. Where does it end?

Are you saying that all us comfortable, well-off types
(usually already born with a silver spoon in our mouths,
while others are trapped in poverty with no chance of ever
escaping, all because of past silver spoon, exploitative
bastards), should leave people starve to death? Do you
think they willingly let themselves starve to death and so
they deserve it? Should we exterminate all handicapped and
ill people because they are a drain on our military
expenditure because they deserve it? People must be fired
from there jobs and become homeless because they're human
and not running around like headless chickens for the sake
of the stock market to feed the fat bastards at the top.
Some of us have short memories.

By providing some help to those who are trapped, they can
help themselves which creates a society of freedom and
escape from never-ending poverty, misery and violence. I
honestly believe we are racing towards hell
(metaphorically) which is a reality for many and
something's going to give  - it can't go on. No
responsibility for our actions, no compassion for our
fellow human beings (hope to God someone will be
compassionate and understanding to us, when the shit hits
the fan), no control on global consumption, no
environmental management and fair spread of wealth across
the world is no progress, but simply self-destruction.

True equality is liberty against economic and social
oppression.

Okay, that's it for now - just haed to get it off my chest
- I was bursting!

TMB.


On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:50:07 -0600 (CST) Chris Bourke
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> > Britain had a relatively positive impact
> > on their colonies.
> >
> > Oh really!?
>
> Yes, really.
>
> I originally intended to leave the message like that as a joke, but I
> can't resist elaborating(something that you should have done).
>
> Britain ended the legal descrimination of India's caste system that had
> prevailed for thousands of years, creating one of the most stable third
> world democracies(to this day!) who have a majority vote and still respect
> individual liberties.
>
> In Africa Britain ended centuries of tribal warfare in their colonies,
> bringing about peace and relative order, giving structure again to
> governments and society as a whole
>
> Britain was the first European country to ban slavery, and not just in
> Britain, they banned it in the entire empire, saving millions of lives and
> staving off the slave trade.
>
> In general, Britain was interested not in nationalistic conquest or
> violent repressive expropriation, rather they were interested in expanding
> markets and opening trade routes by forcing GOVERNMENTS(little more than
> local and regional tyrants) to lower trade barriers.  In China for
> example, Britain ended the tyrannical hold on the economy during the Opium
> wars.  The contact and influence of latent enlightenment principles
> Britain brought with them were the positive impact that they had on their
> colonies.
>
>
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) thanks 2
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:36:06 -0000

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Subject: (mobility) i am desprate
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:46:59 -0000

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From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2
Date: 02 Feb 1999 16:49:25 -0600 (CST)



On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Geoffrey Sproule wrote:

> hello I finally got my track in the post for thanks 2
> (I had Cdr trouble)
> could you please email me if it is too late

I'm confused - I got your submissions a while ago, no?  Do you have new
ones - or are you saying that you mailed them via snail-mail, or....?

In either case, no, its not too late!  Send away!

Thanks,

-Greg





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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) capitalism and dog eat dog...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:29:23 +0000

I couldn't resist one more spin on this...

Capitalism in it's most basic ideas (no matter how you name it) will lead to
a truely free society.  What is the problem is man's nature, the "let the
other guy do it" mentality and/or the greed mentality (that is also the
reason socialist forms fail).  You will always have one person who lets the
other guy do it or hordes everything.

John D. Rockefeller in my opinion is one of, if not THE, most important
American every to contribute to any form of an economy.  JDR lived in a time
one of the most vital periods in American history (post civil war-pre 1900),
a time of high economic growth, un-bridled capitalism and technological
advancement.  JDR played the economic game by his own rules in a true
Laissez-faire capitalist way.  However the public fear of a successful
person lead to the "trust-busters" (JDR did do some dirty things, but the
good far out weigh the bad) and teddy Rossevelt (another great american)
breaking up Standard Oil.  With the fall of Standard Oil (which was actually
better for JDR, his fortune tripled because of it) government intrusion into
business became the norm.

Look at some of the early policies that the USA enforced in Alaska?
government intrusion in business is a very bad thing.  But because of man's
nature un watched business can be a bad thing too.  it is a double edge
sword.

onto colonialism....

now this I am sick of hearing.  We, the USA, pushed the indians (native
americans) off of their land. whine whine whine....boo-who!  I used to think
like this too, until I started studying history.  The stronger replacing the
weaker has always happened.  Back when homo-sapien started living in groups
the stronger group won the prime area.  When population grew and good land
became prime the weak were forced out to not so god areas.  In fact native
americans if you trace their history back were siberian tribes that were
pushed out of the nicer areas across the land bridge to Alaska.  Once in
Alaska the strong groups took the prime areas while THEY forced the still
weaker groups to the arctic (to become eskimos) and such.

What I am illustrating here is that stronger pushing out the weaker has
alwaysed happened, ever since the homo-sapien population grew to the point
where prime land became valuable.  North America was settled this way,
Europe, Asia, Africa....it is a fact of life.  Look at all the native
american tribes that fought on what became America.  There is a reason the
Souix became one of the most powerful other than they were nice.  they
fought, batled and comqured.  The Romans did it, the British did it
(probably the most dirty of any society), the spanish did it, the canadians
did it...even Ig and Ok our neanderthal relatives did it.

Yes I do think the USA cheated native americans with legal ideals (they took
land in courts that were not even represented) that most native americans at
the time where not taught or even given the option to comprehend.  They
didn't take by force but rather by a combonation of law and force.

This is the way homo-sapien is.  It is why communisim fails (and then moral
reasons) the reason capitalism is in the state it is, the reason weaker are
beaten by the stronger.  it is man's nature to horde, conquer and look out
for him-self.  Before anyone disagrees with me think about it.  Yes, as
rational humans we have no right to force our ways on others, but others
have no reason to force their ways on us...but deep down man is in it for
himself and no matter what means it takes will always be in it for
himself...no matter how "PC" or "enlightened" 9whatever you call it) you to
are human and have these tendencies.

People forget we are animals, but what seperates us is reason.  To bad very
few really understand what this means....


chris
[e-mail]
ICQ # 25163388



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) capitalism and dog eat dog...
Date: 03 Feb 1999 00:03:18 +0000 (GMT)

Yes, I know the stronger, always push out the weaker and
no country across the world can feel smug and say one is
dirtier than another - but the fact that we're still doing
it, and on a global scale is not progress, but
self-destruction. Precisely because we can reason and have
compassion, the world can be made much better than it
already is.

In the words of Jeremy Seabrook, 'New Internationalist',
Jan-Feb, 1999:

'Capitalism now promotes itself as a cosmos, a single
system which has substituted itself for the natural world
it is destroying. In furtherance of this noble ideal it
wastes humanity in one way or another, as the British
socialist William Morris said, through excess or
insufficiency. A world is still to be won: a world where
wealth means a conserving and sparing plenty and poverty
means a voluntary frugality; a world in which visions as
old as humanity itself still remain to be realised.'

and Eduardo Galeano from the same magazine:

'We are well aware of the fact that we human creatures are
very busy devouring our fellow human beings and devastating
the planet, but we also know that we wouldn't be here if
our remote Paleolithic ancestors had been unable to adapt
to the nature of, or not been willing to share what they
hunted and gathered. No matter where, how or when a person
may live, each one contains within themselves many possible
persons and it's the ruling system, which has nothing
eternal about it, that invites the basest occupants on to
the stage every day, while preventing the others from
growing and banning them from making an appearance.'

So you think 'dog eat dog' is the way forward. Scary. I
just hope you're views are in the minority in the next few
years, for the sake of all our future generations!

TMB

On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:29:23 +0000 Chris Stepanek
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I couldn't resist one more spin on this...
>
> Capitalism in it's most basic ideas (no matter how you name it) will lead to
> a truely free society.  What is the problem is man's nature, the "let the
> other guy do it" mentality and/or the greed mentality (that is also the
> reason socialist forms fail).  You will always have one person who lets the
> other guy do it or hordes everything.
>
> John D. Rockefeller in my opinion is one of, if not THE, most important
> American every to contribute to any form of an economy.  JDR lived in a time
> one of the most vital periods in American history (post civil war-pre 1900),
> a time of high economic growth, un-bridled capitalism and technological
> advancement.  JDR played the economic game by his own rules in a true
> Laissez-faire capitalist way.  However the public fear of a successful
> person lead to the "trust-busters" (JDR did do some dirty things, but the
> good far out weigh the bad) and teddy Rossevelt (another great american)
> breaking up Standard Oil.  With the fall of Standard Oil (which was actually
> better for JDR, his fortune tripled because of it) government intrusion into
> business became the norm.
>
> Look at some of the early policies that the USA enforced in Alaska?
> government intrusion in business is a very bad thing.  But because of man's
> nature un watched business can be a bad thing too.  it is a double edge
> sword.
>
> onto colonialism....
>
> now this I am sick of hearing.  We, the USA, pushed the indians (native
> americans) off of their land. whine whine whine....boo-who!  I used to think
> like this too, until I started studying history.  The stronger replacing the
> weaker has always happened.  Back when homo-sapien started living in groups
> the stronger group won the prime area.  When population grew and good land
> became prime the weak were forced out to not so god areas.  In fact native
> americans if you trace their history back were siberian tribes that were
> pushed out of the nicer areas across the land bridge to Alaska.  Once in
> Alaska the strong groups took the prime areas while THEY forced the still
> weaker groups to the arctic (to become eskimos) and such.
>
> What I am illustrating here is that stronger pushing out the weaker has
> alwaysed happened, ever since the homo-sapien population grew to the point
> where prime land became valuable.  North America was settled this way,
> Europe, Asia, Africa....it is a fact of life.  Look at all the native
> american tribes that fought on what became America.  There is a reason the
> Souix became one of the most powerful other than they were nice.  they
> fought, batled and comqured.  The Romans did it, the British did it
> (probably the most dirty of any society), the spanish did it, the canadians
> did it...even Ig and Ok our neanderthal relatives did it.
>
> Yes I do think the USA cheated native americans with legal ideals (they took
> land in courts that were not even represented) that most native americans at
> the time where not taught or even given the option to comprehend.  They
> didn't take by force but rather by a combonation of law and force.
>
> This is the way homo-sapien is.  It is why communisim fails (and then moral
> reasons) the reason capitalism is in the state it is, the reason weaker are
> beaten by the stronger.  it is man's nature to horde, conquer and look out
> for him-self.  Before anyone disagrees with me think about it.  Yes, as
> rational humans we have no right to force our ways on others, but others
> have no reason to force their ways on us...but deep down man is in it for
> himself and no matter what means it takes will always be in it for
> himself...no matter how "PC" or "enlightened" 9whatever you call it) you to
> are human and have these tendencies.
>
> People forget we are animals, but what seperates us is reason.  To bad very
> few really understand what this means....
>
>
> chris
> [e-mail]
> ICQ # 25163388
>

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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...the reply...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 17:44:45 -0800



Chris Stepanek wrote:
>
> ok...on to a few, well points...
>
> 1)I think: That civilization has gone down hill since the Greeks.
>
> I agree with Chris...on many things actually.  What I mean by society has
> gone down hill from the Greeks I am refering to major philisophical and
> aesthetic advances.  True Greek society was very repressive, and primitive
> and harsh but look at what the Greeks gave us.  Architecturally (everything
> that followed was based on Greek refinements), Philisophically (refined
> logical thinking and the first true philisophical thinking), and Socially
> (civic planning on a grand scale, public spaces, education).  Society for
> thousands of years has been refining and build off of Greek tradition.  Sure
> we have made advancements in science and technology since then but what I am
> really concerned with in this point is the essence behind what the Greeks
> gave us.
>
> 2)>> I know: socialism, collectivism, utopianism, and/or communisim is wrong
> >> (what every you want to call it, it is all the same), it steals all or man's
> >> essential rights.
>
> Again Chris I 100% agree with you.  Actually you said what I was going to
> say, but far better than I.  Laisezz-faire capitalism is the only form of
> economy/political system (even though it is not) that allows man to live in
> true freedom.  See Christopher Michael Bourke's wonderful thoughts in
> mobility #317 for further explaination.
>
> 3)>I vote: Straight Republican (I could never morally allow myself to vote
> >Democrat) Why not Libertarian?  HA!
>
> Please?!

Just one comment on this whole thing. Your comment here about your morals not
allowing you to vote anything but republican are typical of most republican
conservatives-
do you realize how self righteous that sounds? You might as well come right out
and say that you feel you are a better person than any democrat or other non-
republican and that anyone who doesn't vote republican is immorral.
I think that's great when people have high morals, but when they vote to pass
laws to hold everyone else to their high moral standards- that is wrong.
It can be compared to not believing in abortion- if you feel it is wrong,
then don't do it. But when you can't have your way by forcing a law on people,
SOME religious terrorists feel that killing doctors and blowing up clinics
is somehow moral. The ultimate in self righteousness, and ignorant blind evil.
You should tone down the self righteousness a bit if you want to argue your
point.
Perhaps you should explain yourself further about why you feel so morally
superior
as a republican...
paul



>
> 4)>I think: Ayn Rand wrote alot of truth, and also alot of lies
>
> Lies?  praytell which ones?
>
> I agree with alot of what Ayn Rand wrote and thought.  I do however disagree
> with her interpretation of Art and culture.
>
> 5)HA!  An architect who loves "Atlas Shrugged"!  I think you should take
> more
> stock in John Galt's speeches.  A fellow architect should know the beautiful
> achievments man is capable of, right?
>
> Yes I do think man is capable of beautiful achievments.  However I think
> they are the exception and not the norm.
>
> 6)>Coolest Moby experience: meeting Moby on the Subway last summer and
> having
> >lunch with him, he really is an amazing person.
>
> What did we talk about?  Philosophy, religion (blah) and a pair of shoes
> Moby just bought.
>
> ----
>
> Ok I have taken up enough space in this list with this stuff.  If you wanna
> talk about this please e-mail me and we will talk there, and not fill this
> list up with un related Moby stuff.
>
> thanks
> chris
> [e-mail]



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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:00:18 -0800

very well said chris!
I think you should be a history major...
Sure it's easy to argue the other side and find the tyranny, but I
never heard anyone point out the good points in such a simple clear manner.
Perhaps all empires have a split personality- how can they not with
all the people that influence the agenda?
Sure- Moby does not eat meat or animal products....
but what about EVIL NINJA MOBY?
Hmmm....I don't know what a ninja's diet consists of, but I think
that if he were evil that perhaps that includes eating meat.
A Split personality can be very useful actually....how else can I be
a vegitarian and still eat prime rib a couple times a year?

I'm working on that...
I have been meat free for over a month now!!! I actually went for it.
I feel much better of course for the most part and lost a little weight.
I don't know if I will ever be able to be vegan, I'm not ready for that!
I like milk and cheese too much. What no sour cream??? What no ice cream?
Not likely.
Yes, I know about the hormones. I will try just vegitarian for a year or
so and see if I feel different about being completely vegan.
I'm planning on working seafood back into my diet as well, maybe once a week.
I can't find any reason NOT to do that. That eliminates the need to take certain
supplememnts that vegitarians need to survive.
But once or twice a year I plan to break down and become the evil doctor-
and have the only meat worth breaking the rules for- prime rib.
It's easy, I'll just get stinking drunk and forget who I am for one night.
later all
paul

Chris Bourke wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> > Britain had a relatively positive impact
> > on their colonies.
> >
> > Oh really!?
>
> Yes, really.
>
> I originally intended to leave the message like that as a joke, but I
> can't resist elaborating(something that you should have done).
>
> Britain ended the legal descrimination of India's caste system that had
> prevailed for thousands of years, creating one of the most stable third
> world democracies(to this day!) who have a majority vote and still respect
> individual liberties.
>
> In Africa Britain ended centuries of tribal warfare in their colonies,
> bringing about peace and relative order, giving structure again to
> governments and society as a whole
>
> Britain was the first European country to ban slavery, and not just in
> Britain, they banned it in the entire empire, saving millions of lives and
> staving off the slave trade.
>
> In general, Britain was interested not in nationalistic conquest or
> violent repressive expropriation, rather they were interested in expanding
> markets and opening trade routes by forcing GOVERNMENTS(little more than
> local and regional tyrants) to lower trade barriers.  In China for
> example, Britain ended the tyrannical hold on the economy during the Opium
> wars.  The contact and influence of latent enlightenment principles
> Britain brought with them were the positive impact that they had on their
> colonies.



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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 02 Feb 1999 21:56:22 -0800

> I have been meat free for over a month now!!! I actually went for it.
> I feel much better of course for the most part and lost a little weight.
> I don't know if I will ever be able to be vegan, I'm not ready for that!
> I like milk and cheese too much. What no sour cream??? What no ice cream?
> Not likely.

well, first things first.
congrats. tis a big step. not eating meat.
moby would be proud :)

its all about finding a happy medium.

moby is happy as a vegan. good for him.  find YOUR happy medium.  that's
all you need to do. so if that includes dairy products, so be it. do what
ya gotta do.  don't let anyone put you down for it. then again, some
militant vegans will disagree with me. but what can i say? thats my two
cents...

-kelly



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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Goldie...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 19:47:10 CST






>personally, i  have never paid more than 20 bucks for a cd, and that cd
was
>goldie"s saturnz return, a double cd. i guess i'm lucky enough to work
for
>best buy and have friends at rolling stones and tower.
>andrew
>


      I paid 7 bucks for it used. Despite the media wrestling with it, I
thought it was fabulous. Made me even more of a fan. Saying it wasn't
DnB is a total piece of crap, seeing as how it sounded enough like it
for me.

     d...

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From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...the reply...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 20:50:41 -0600

>I think that's great when people have high morals, but when they vote to pass
>laws to hold everyone else to their high moral standards- that is wrong.
>It can be compared to not believing in abortion- if you feel it is wrong,
>then don't do it. But when you can't have your way by forcing a law on people,
>SOME religious terrorists feel that killing doctors and blowing up clinics
>is somehow moral. The ultimate in self righteousness, and ignorant blind evil.
>You should tone down the self righteousness a bit if you want to argue your
>point.
>Perhaps you should explain yourself further about why you feel so morally
>superior
>as a republican...

To make this Moby-related, I suppose that liberal activists
(environmentalists, vegans, anti-smokers, etc.) don't typically conduct
themselves in such self-righteous ways, right? Enforcing any kind of law is
forcing one set of morals on someone else.

--
    C        The C.O.D.         John Turpin
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   / \                Ra.MsState.Edu>
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From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) step on my neck
Date: 02 Feb 1999 19:46:24 +0000

chris step on a neck wrote:
>  I couldn't resist one more spin on this...
> >

It's pretty obvious chris
you can't resist shit............

i guess we're alike in that respect.




damian.....please.....i'm beggin ya.




clay



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totally and for a long time....it seems.

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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 02 Feb 1999 21:54:44 CST




>>an someone start a new thread please?
>like a survey or sumpin?
>
>Okay.. for a new thread.. I have a survey if you want to answer it..
>
>1)  Do you like Moby?

   Sometimes. He's been collecting dust lately, (except for EOE)
>
>2)  Which album is your favourite?

   Probably, right now, 'End Of Everything'.
>
>3)  Which single is your favourite?

   I don't have very many, but mine is probably the regular
'...Revolver' single (not the orange one, but the other one )

>
>4)  Which song is your favourite?

   Close, but it's "Alone" at this moment. I also like "Great Lake".
Notice a resemblance between the two?
>
>5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?

   No one.
>
>6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?

   Either the mohawk in the bathrobe picture, or hie usual one.
>
>7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?

   Can't honestly say.
>
>8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?

   Have: 1 white cat, 1 hamster, about 9 fish, 2 newts, 2 frogs.
   Had: 3 other cats, 1 dog, 3 other hamsters, 2 other fish, 1 newt, 2
ghost shrimp.
>
>9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?

   Good question...lame answer...
>
>10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?

   White. I'm used to them.
>
>11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?

   People will celebrate all the holidays for exactly a year, then it'll
be 2001, the REAL start of the 21st century.
>
>12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?

   At home wondering how to cope with being 10 months away from my 30th
birthday.
>
>13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?

   A definite green mint color.
>
>14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?

   Newts with 3 arms.
>
>15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?

   Death isn't too high on my list goals anyway.
>
>16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?

   Chewy Chips Ahoy!


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Subject: Re: (mobility) Bessie Jones
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:00:07 CST





>BTW, they were talking about "The Smiths", a British band of the 80's,
>I remember.
>

    Long live the Moz!


   And they're both vegetarians?


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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:17:35 -0600

>very well said chris!
>I think you should be a history major...
>Sure it's easy to argue the other side and find the tyranny, but I
>never heard anyone point out the good points in such a simple clear manner.
>Perhaps all empires have a split personality- how can they not with
>all the people that influence the agenda?
>Sure- Moby does not eat meat or animal products....
>but what about EVIL NINJA MOBY?
>Hmmm....I don't know what a ninja's diet consists of, but I think
>that if he were evil that perhaps that includes eating meat.
>A Split personality can be very useful actually....how else can I be
>a vegitarian and still eat prime rib a couple times a year?
>
>I'm working on that...
>I have been meat free for over a month now!!! I actually went for it.


First, thanks.  Second, I have been meat free for about 1 year and 3 months.
However, I am not a total vegan.  Also, during the summer I went to New
Orleans and broke my vegetarianism in order to partake in the local cuisine.
I wonder how many other vegans/vegetarians break their tradition and under
what circumstances.  I also broke it and had some good prime rib with my
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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Ed & Tim.
Date: 02 Feb 1999 23:12:28 -0600

First, Ed, please, "I'm afraid I just don't agree with this"?  It's mainly
accepted historical interpretation and points of fact.  Rebuttle if you
wish, but please elaborate.

Secondly, on to Tim's letter:


>Oh come on both Chris', let's get some reality here.
>Britain was primarily interested in advancing it's own
>wealth at the expense of the people it conquered - thank
>God colonialism has virtually died amongst the European
>nations. It was pure exploitation, and competition for
>power that accelerated the ravaging of other cultures and
>their wealth to be ahead of their other European rivals.
>The French and the British were constantly at it and look
>how the Spanish before them decimated the peoples of
>Central and South America. They had a very advanced
>civilisation compared to many money grabbing, war mongering
>Europeans.


Again, in historical context if you pick up any book on Britain's history,
instead of quoting the biased opinions of the "New Internationalist"  you
would see mounds of documentation.  While France, Portugal and Spain
attempted to drain colonies of natural resources and violently put down it's
local people, enslaving them Britain had a much more positive effect.  I'm
not saying that colonialism was ever justified, just that relatively, the
Brits never went to the extent of the rest of Europe.  The Good that they
did far outweighed the bad, and their motives were just as I said, attempts
to open new markets and tear down trade barriers controlled by local and
regional tyrants.

>I think it's pure arrogance to suggest that any nation
>should be encouraged to force others to accept its way of
>life, culture and religion. Some people in the West have a
>serious superiority complex!

Again, if you know anything of true history, the Brits allowed self
government, freedom of religion and even went to great extents to preserve
language and culture in their colonies(observe for instance India, in which
each local state was given local rule and encouraged to keep the mother
tounge).  Not so with the rest of Europe.  Historical observation is not a
justification for colonialism.  I never suggested that any nation should "be
encouraged to for others to accept its way".  However, I will state that
there are objective rules/guidelines for morality.  Would you take your
cultural relativism so far as to say WWII Germany was justified in their
autrocities in so far as their own borders were concerned?

>
>Tribal wars in Africa were far less damaging to the world
>and humanity than those fought by present 'first world'
>nations over the centuries, but none so appalling as this
>century.

A result of Nationalism/Facism/and Socialistic trends, Capitalism did not
percipitate in any measurable degree the events leading up to the Great
world wars.

>The U.S.A. was also built on colonialism to get where it is
>today - the native peoples didn't get much say when it came
>to living on their own land and what rights they had to
>their own land. I don't think you'd be saying the same
>things if the tables were turned.

What the US Government did to the native americans was unforgivable.  But
one must understand the mentalities and situation involved.  The Native
Americans were largely Nomadic people who had no concept of "owning land."
Even if the "white man" were to pay the native Americans for their land,
they would see it as very odd and would probably not have anything to do
with such a transaction.  Europeans and Americans on the other hand had very
evolved and developed sence and legal definitions of ownership which
included land and natural resources.  This culture clash was sadly
inevitable, but I don't think that this country was build on the Manifest
destiny move westward.  The east already had highly developed and rich
economic bases.

>Capitalism and globalisation today, thanks to the 'free
>market' has pushed its new brand of colonialism and
>imperialism on other nations inside and outside the West,
>to satisfy the minority rich in the rich nations and fuck
>up the 'have-nots' in the process - the majority of these
>people are forced into poverty by the current system. The
>Majority world (Third World) nations are held to ransom by
>the IMF and World Bank by never-ending debt and usury
>(usury, at one time being a sin according to old
>Judaeo-Christian and Islamic beliefs).

Excuse me?  The Third world's economic capital comes from INVESTMENT from
the west, not extrodinarily high interest loans.  If anything The third
world nations would never (governmetns) would never get ANY loans because of
political turmoil making them extremely bad credit risks.  Instead these
countries tend to print more money which leads to hyper inflation, ruining
their OWN economies.  The have nots are have nots, not because of external
"multinational" corporations but because of thier own autocratic governments
controlling their economy and raping their resources in attempts to continue
their regimes.

>Laissez-faire capitalism (sounds better than the present
>form) but has led to ludicrous pacts between rich
>governments allowing industry to have free reign, in
>whatever countries industry chooses, i.e. the MAI pact
>recently in Geneva. Industry will have no accountability -
>so it can exploit workers, pollute the environment and just
>continue to ravage about any decent thing left in society
>and the world around us with no controls and governments of
>poorer countries and even the rich ones won't be able to do
>a damn thing about it unless this crazy notion is stopped.
>So capitalism, laissez - frigging - faire or not, will
>still exploit for capitalists' own ends; someone will
>always suffer as a result.

Ha!  You have shown that you have no concept of what Laissez-faire
capitalism is!  No Government intervention in the economy is exactly what it
says!  NO INTERVENTION.  That means no FAVORS no SUBSIDIES no FAVORITISM,
period!  Capitalism extends from political and moral theories not a need for
economic development.  No controls doesn't mean no accountability!  Yet
another way government controls in the form of tort reform pervert the true
principles of Capitalism!  Public resources such as drinking water and the
air would be subject to public protection, ie through civil action against
those who would polute the environment.  Exploitation in a true
laissez-faire, free market economy is NOT possible.  Every man/woman is free
to decide who to work for and at mutually agreed upon wages.  Low wages are
NOT exploitation in and of themselves.  Please.

>I'm not sure you can refer to Indonesia as a socialist
>nation - it is still hands-in-glove with the capitalists of
>the West, which helps fund it's repression of the East
>Timorese and it's own people. Even China is more of a
>capitalist nation with the gloss of communist principles
>over it - now that is repressive to the extreme - the worst
>of both bad worlds.

?!?!!?  Indonesia not a socialist country?  What praytell is it?  If not
socialist I would agree that it is ruled by a MILITARY REGIME, and not
governed by capitalistic principles(which include respect of personal
liberty against a tyrannical government)

There is not a single private, major industrial entity in all of China with
the exception of HK.  Communisms death has been staved off and they have
made capitalistic reforms in the last few decades, but they are FAR from
capitalism.  Everything is still state owned.

>As for the rainforests and indigenous peoples - I'm not
>just referring to the Amazonian one. Their destruction is
>fuelled by the insatiable desire of capitalist-driven
>globalisation. Subsistence farmers wouldn't have to destroy
>so much if they were in a state that provided controlled
>and carefully managed agriculture and
>conservation/ecological principles to benefit everybody and
>everything. Let's also remember that the prime culprits of
>rainforest destruction are the rich cattle ranchers, heavy
>industry and dam builders funded by the World Bank, for the
>rich countries own interest and usury.

Just like Stalin's Russia huh?  The murder of millions of Kulaks in the name
of government controlled agricultural development.  Global warming and the
Rain Forests are scientifically questionable to begin with.  Ha!  You sound
like a militia man they with your conspiritorial antagonisms toward the
World Bank.  They don't own everything my friend.  again, see above.

>There is enough food to feed everyone in the world right
>now, but under the current economic regime (which is out of
>control and is on the verge of self-destruction)- the haves
>get more and the have-nots get even less. Where does it end?
>
>Are you saying that all us comfortable, well-off types
>(usually already born with a silver spoon in our mouths,
>while others are trapped in poverty with no chance of ever
>escaping, all because of past silver spoon, exploitative
>bastards), should leave people starve to death? Do you
>think they willingly let themselves starve to death and so
>they deserve it? Should we exterminate all handicapped and
>ill people because they are a drain on our military
>expenditure because they deserve it? People must be fired
>from there jobs and become homeless because they're human
>and not running around like headless chickens for the sake
>of the stock market to feed the fat bastards at the top.
>Some of us have short memories.
<<<<snip>>>>but simply self-destruction.
>


Atlas Shrugged.  You identify the prime mistake in all statist/conrolled
economy advocates.  First, you resort to pathos-like rhetoric trying to
appeal to people with the pathetic starving masses.  You ignore the entire
basis of WEALTH.  Wealth is not static, it is not given, it is created!  The
Atlases of our world create weath through hard work and earned(ie deserved)
endeavors.  In a free society wealth cannot be used to exploit put down or
influence anyone to do anything!  The only problem with today's system is
that people with money(the rich) aren't true to the ideals of laissez-faire
capitalism and the governments instituted allow such bribery.  the wealth
would rather not have to work to maintain or create weath and instead buy
influence with governments and those in control.  This is the TRUE problem
and why many people still suffer poverty.


>True equality is liberty against economic and social
>oppression.

True equality is equality before the law.  The only entity that should
morally be allowed to have a monopoly on physical force is the Government.
And within that government, application of the law is equal accross all
social/political/racial/etc... differences.  Egalitarianism is a vile and
perverse form of equality that should never be allowed("Harrison Bergeron").
There is no such thing as a right to a house, a right to food, a right to
entertainment or anything else.  There is only a right to freely persue the
acquisition of these things through one's own work and talent.  No one is
entitled to another man's property.

>
>Okay, that's it for now - just haed to get it off my chest
>- I was bursting!


Me too, but not the bursting part.




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Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:37:43 -0800

> I don't know if I will ever be able to be vegan, I'm not ready for
that!
> I like milk and cheese too much. What no sour cream??? What no ice
cream?

PAUL:
Yes, good for you for going vegetarian.  It's a difficult decision to
make sometimes, and even more difficult to stick to it.
As for the ice cream and sour cream and cheese that you think you'll miss
if you go vegan, there are some glorious imitation products out there.
Tofutti brand ice cream, cream cheese, sour scream, etc.  Soy cheeses.
Egg-replacer.  Any animal product your little heart desires....  I don't
know if you can find these products where you live, but I'm aware of a
couple of mail-order catalogs that specialize in vegan foods.  Email me
if you ever want more information.


>its all about finding a happy medium.
>
>moby is happy as a vegan. good for him.  find YOUR happy medium.
>that's
>all you need to do. so if that includes dairy products, so be it. do

There's no "happy medium" in the methods of factory farming, in the
torturous practices that animals used for human consumption are subjected
to.  No "happy medium" in the environmental destruction for which the
meat and dairy industry is responsible.  (As far as health goes, well, I
guess that's debatable.  Even crack in moderation won't certainly kill
you!)    The world would be an incredibly harmonious place if personal
comfort was in sync with the comfort of animals, the environment, other
people, other cultures.  But that's seldomly the case.  And that's why we
sometimes have to do things that aren't entirely within the realms of a
our own "happy medium."  Sometimes a little personal sacrifice is in
order.  But if one isn't in it for the animals or the environment, then I
guess it all comes back to (surprise!) the interests of the individual.
I do feel, however, that it's ridiculous to expect vegan fanaticism from
a person.  We still have to exist in the western/westernized world.  For
example, I take photographs, despite the fact that film is made with
gelatin.  Currently there are no alternatives to film with gelatin, but
there is an alternative to perpetuating animal suffering, environmental
pollution and destruction through eating meat and that is a plant-based
diet!  And I don't think that's a lot to ask of a person.

the un-militant vegan,
morgan.
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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) From a green party member...
Date: 02 Feb 1999 23:57:38 PST

to "The Chris' "

I believe you said (a few digests ago) that your topics were -Moby
related- because of his essays that appear on the last couple of albums
in which he spews out his view of the world.  It seems as if you're
using this reasoning to subject the list to your political view (albeit
interesting to hear and find out about fellow mobility members). While I
don't want to be a "Moby-topic-only!" kind of person, I feel it would be
more fun to talk about how often Moby jacks off (or you for that matter)
rather than hear a history lesson according to the Limbaugh "dog eat
dog" american conservatives.

I know, I know, you put the @@@ symbol in the subject line on some of
them.  It's great you express your views and I'm intrigued enough to
respond but please tell us more about your Moby-subway experience
instead...

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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...the reply...
Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:36:36 +0000 (GMT)

Yes, getting all moralistic about the environment, vegans,
human rights, can get too self-righteous. But sometimes it
needs to have a loud voice for it's views to be heard
amongst the fascists and capitalists who want to drown out
true morality and freedom. It needs to protest to make
people think and not become indifferent and accept the
status-quo. However, it doesn't force anyone by violence to
accept their way of life, it's merely voicing valid
opinions. You will always have extremists on both sides,
but the majority want democracy, truth, freedom and equal
rights, without inflicting suffering and pain on others.

Also remember that before the U.S. and Britain and
probabaly other European nations helped Castro into power,
the ousted marxist government was democratically elected by
the people of the country. That doesn't mean to say Marxism
is right, but it's also not right that the Western
capitalists should interfere and force their political
agendas on other countries.

TMB

>
> To make this Moby-related, I suppose that liberal activists
> (environmentalists, vegans, anti-smokers, etc.) don't typically conduct
> themselves in such self-righteous ways, right? Enforcing any kind of law is
> forcing one set of morals on someone else.
>
> --
>     C        The C.O.D.         John Turpin
>     |                <jct1@
>    / \                Ra.MsState.Edu>
>   O   D    <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
>
>
>

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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Bessie Jones
Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:43:11 +0000 (GMT)


On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:00:07 CST Derek Goodwrench
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> >BTW, they were talking about "The Smiths", a British band of the 80's,
> >I remember.
> >
>
>     Long live the Moz!
>
>
>    And they're both vegetarians?

Yeah, but Morrissey is a prick - The Smiths produced some
brilliant tunes though (note the Smiths and NOT just
Morrissey!).
>
>
>    d
>
>
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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Ed & Tim.
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:45:30 +0000 (GMT)


On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:12:28 -0600 Christopher Michael
Bourke <[e-mail]> wrote:


> Secondly, on to Tim's letter:
>
>
> >Oh come on both Chris', let's get some reality here.
> >Britain was primarily interested in advancing it's own
> >wealth at the expense of the people it conquered - thank
> >God colonialism has virtually died amongst the European
> >nations. It was pure exploitation, and competition for
> >power that accelerated the ravaging of other cultures and
> >their wealth to be ahead of their other European rivals.
> >The French and the British were constantly at it and look
> >how the Spanish before them decimated the peoples of
> >Central and South America. They had a very advanced
> >civilisation compared to many money grabbing, war mongering
> >Europeans.
>
>
> Again, in historical context if you pick up any book on Britain's history,
> instead of quoting the biased opinions of the "New Internationalist"  you
> would see mounds of documentation.

I don't just read New Internationalist, by the way and
actaully it is very fair and allows for capitalists to view
their opinions, unlike many other biased capitalist
literature!

While France, Portugal and Spain
>attempted to drain colonies of natural resources and
violently put down it's
> local people, enslaving them Britain had a much more positive effect.  I'm
> not saying that colonialism was ever justified, just that relatively, the
> Brits never went to the extent of the rest of Europe.  The Good that they
> did far outweighed the bad, and their motives were just as I said, attempts
> to open new markets and tear down trade barriers controlled by local and
> regional tyrants

... because they were doing it for their own interests, not
to benefit anyone else, not to try and 'help' people, but
subjugate them by force - that is not right, pure and
simple.
>
> >I think it's pure arrogance to suggest that any nation
> >should be encouraged to force others to accept its way of
> >life, culture and religion. Some people in the West have a
> >serious superiority complex!
>
However, I will state that
> there are objective rules/guidelines for morality.  Would you take your
> cultural relativism so far as to say WWII Germany was justified in their
> autrocities in so far as their own borders were concerned?

Of course not! But everyone under the the capitalist god
seems forced to obey within and without various countries
borders anyway. It commits atrocities against the majority
of it's people.
>
> >
> >Tribal wars in Africa were far less damaging to the world
> >and humanity than those fought by present 'first world'
> >nations over the centuries, but none so appalling as this
> >century.
>
> A result of Nationalism/Facism/and Socialistic trends, Capitalism did not
> percipitate in any measurable degree the events leading up to the Great
> world wars.

Maybe you need to have another look at history and the
industrial revolution and what it lead to....
>
> >The U.S.A. was also built on colonialism to get where it is
> >today - the native peoples didn't get much say when it came
> >to living on their own land and what rights they had to
> >their own land. I don't think you'd be saying the same
> >things if the tables were turned.
>
> What the US Government did to the native americans was unforgivable.  But
> one must understand the mentalities and situation involved.  The Native
> Americans were largely Nomadic people who had no concept of "owning land."
> Even if the "white man" were to pay the native Americans for their land,
> they would see it as very odd and would probably not have anything to do
> with such a transaction.  Europeans and Americans on the other hand had very
> evolved and developed sence and legal definitions of ownership which
> included land and natural resources.  This culture clash was sadly
> inevitable, but I don't think that this country was build on the Manifest
> destiny move westward.  The east already had highly developed and rich
> economic bases.

So you think all that was justified!?
>
> >Capitalism and globalisation today, thanks to the 'free
> >market' has pushed its new brand of colonialism and
> >imperialism on other nations inside and outside the West,
> >to satisfy the minority rich in the rich nations and fuck
> >up the 'have-nots' in the process - the majority of these
> >people are forced into poverty by the current system. The
> >Majority world (Third World) nations are held to ransom by
> >the IMF and World Bank by never-ending debt and usury
> >(usury, at one time being a sin according to old
> >Judaeo-Christian and Islamic beliefs).
>
> Excuse me?  The Third world's economic capital comes from INVESTMENT from
> the west, not extrodinarily high interest loans.  If anything The third
> world nations would never (governmetns) would never get ANY loans because of
> political turmoil making them extremely bad credit risks.  Instead these
> countries tend to print more money which leads to hyper inflation, ruining
> their OWN economies.  The have nots are have nots, not because of external
> "multinational" corporations but because of thier own autocratic governments
> controlling their economy and raping their resources in attempts to continue
> their regimes.

Excuse me, but the reason many have autocratic governmnets
is because of the European colonial system and capitalism
is a new extension of colonialism - sorry the above just
doesn't wash!
>
> >Laissez-faire capitalism (sounds better than the present
> >form) but has led to ludicrous pacts between rich
> >governments allowing industry to have free reign, in
> >whatever countries industry chooses, i.e. the MAI pact
> >recently in Geneva. Industry will have no accountability -
> >so it can exploit workers, pollute the environment and just
> >continue to ravage about any decent thing left in society
> >and the world around us with no controls and governments of
> >poorer countries and even the rich ones won't be able to do
> >a damn thing about it unless this crazy notion is stopped.
> >So capitalism, laissez - frigging - faire or not, will
> >still exploit for capitalists' own ends; someone will
> >always suffer as a result.
>
> Ha!  You have shown that you have no concept of what Laissez-faire
> capitalism is!  No Government intervention in the economy is exactly what it
> says!  NO INTERVENTION.

That's exactly what I said - no government intervention!
 economic development.  No controls doesn't mean no accountability!

You really think that industry will happily give account of
all it's environmental destruction, exploitation of
workers, etc without any control measure - no government
interference? You are more naive than I thought!

Yet
> another way government controls in the form of tort reform pervert the true
> principles of Capitalism!  Public resources such as drinking water and the
> air would be subject to public protection, ie through civil action against
> those who would polute the environment.  Exploitation in a true
> laissez-faire, free market economy is NOT possible.  Every man/woman is free
> to decide who to work for and at mutually agreed upon wages.  Low wages are
> NOT exploitation in and of themselves.  Please.

What? Are you crazy? Yeah right, man/woman will mutually
agree upon wages and low wages are acceptable to keep the
workers below the poverty line - great!
>
> >I'm not sure you can refer to Indonesia as a socialist
> >nation - it is still hands-in-glove with the capitalists of
> >the West, which helps fund it's repression of the East
> >Timorese and it's own people. Even China is more of a
> >capitalist nation with the gloss of communist principles
> >over it - now that is repressive to the extreme - the worst
> >of both bad worlds.
>
> ?!?!!?  Indonesia not a socialist country?  What praytell is it?  If not
> socialist I would agree that it is ruled by a MILITARY REGIME, and not
> governed by capitalistic principles(which include respect of personal
> liberty against a tyrannical government)
>
> There is not a single private, major industrial entity in all of China with
> the exception of HK.  Communisms death has been staved off and they have
> made capitalistic reforms in the last few decades, but they are FAR from
> capitalism.  Everything is still state owned.

I still think they're capitalists underneath it all - if
they were really socialist they would not do business with
capitalists.
>
> >As for the rainforests and indigenous peoples - I'm not
> >just referring to the Amazonian one. Their destruction is
> >fuelled by the insatiable desire of capitalist-driven
> >globalisation. Subsistence farmers wouldn't have to destroy
> >so much if they were in a state that provided controlled
> >and carefully managed agriculture and
> >conservation/ecological principles to benefit everybody and
> >everything. Let's also remember that the prime culprits of
> >rainforest destruction are the rich cattle ranchers, heavy
> >industry and dam builders funded by the World Bank, for the
> >rich countries own interest and usury.
>
> Just like Stalin's Russia huh?

No, of course not! I knew you would immediately latch
on to that. Like that was what I was getting at - not!

The murder of millions of Kulaks in the name
> of government controlled agricultural development.  Global warming and the
> Rain Forests are scientifically questionable to begin with.

So rainforests and the people that live in them are
expendable are they? Government controlled ecological
principles don't have to result in murder when everybody
gets a fair share of everything. It is possible to work
together happily in different areas of life. You know there
were such things as happy communities that people used to
live in and survive in quite well. But no, the
capitalists of the world have to bulldoze in and fuck
everything up. It's normally when there's a huge gap
between rich and poor that creates revolution, uprisings
and murder.

Ha!  You sound
> like a militia man they with your conspiritorial antagonisms toward the
> World Bank.  They don't own everything my friend.

They own most, unfairly - which is the point.


>
> >There is enough food to feed everyone in the world right
> >now, but under the current economic regime (which is out of
> >control and is on the verge of self-destruction)- the haves
> >get more and the have-nots get even less. Where does it end?
> >
> >Are you saying that all us comfortable, well-off types
> >(usually already born with a silver spoon in our mouths,
> >while others are trapped in poverty with no chance of ever
> >escaping, all because of past silver spoon, exploitative
> >bastards), should leave people starve to death? Do you
> >think they willingly let themselves starve to death and so
> >they deserve it? Should we exterminate all handicapped and
> >ill people because they are a drain on our military
> >expenditure because they deserve it? People must be fired
> >from there jobs and become homeless because they're human
> >and not running around like headless chickens for the sake
> >of the stock market to feed the fat bastards at the top.
> >Some of us have short memories.
> <<<<snip>>>>but simply self-destruction.
> >
>
>
> Atlas Shrugged.  You identify the prime mistake in all statist/conrolled
> economy advocates.  First, you resort to pathos-like rhetoric trying to
> appeal to people with the pathetic starving masses.  You ignore the entire
> basis of WEALTH.  Wealth is not static, it is not given, it is created!  The
> Atlases of our world create weath through hard work and earned(ie deserved)
> endeavors.  In a free society wealth cannot be used to exploit put down or
> influence anyone to do anything!

Now that view is biased!

Yes it bloody can exploit! There will always be some greedy
bastard who will do anything, even indirect murder to
promote his/her own business at the expense of any other.
Selfism has no respect for humanity or itself. You seem to
ignore human and environmental suffering, not realising
what the cause of it is. You think that is progress and
this will last, this insatiable desire to consume out of
control? That doesn't give many other poeple a chance for
freedom, does it? All I advocate is giving everybody a
chance, no matter where they are from and capitalism
doesn't allow this, but forces the majority into positions
they cannot hope to be given a chance in.


>
> >True equality is liberty against economic and social
> >oppression.
>
> True equality is equality before the law.  The only entity that should
> morally be allowed to have a monopoly on physical force is the Government.
> And within that government, application of the law is equal accross all
> social/political/racial/etc... differences.  Egalitarianism is a vile and
> perverse form of equality that should never be allowed("Harrison Bergeron").
> There is no such thing as a right to a house, a right to food, a right to
> entertainment or anything else.  There is only a right to freely persue the
> acquisition of these things through one's own work and talent.  No one is
> entitled to another man's property.

Of course no one is entitled to have someone else's
property. You capitalists are paranoid aren't you? There is
a place for equality where the law gives everyone equal
opportunities, but also caters for those who will
inevitably make mistakes, or through no fault of their own,
fail - because they are human. A government that can help
provide a small helping hand for those in that less
fortunate position, rather than let them rot around us.
It's not like present rich governmment nations can't afford
to do it, either. Unfortunately the money goes on far more
wasteful and unnecessary things like the military, to
suppress others who don't want to follow a capitalist way
of life!

TMB

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Cranfield University
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From: TARUN PATEL <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: @@@@Re: (mobility) I am, well not so new...
Date: 03 Feb 1999 09:12:31 -0600 (CST)

ON that note....anyone know just how many innocent people were killed by
the "British Empire" and their cronies.  I guess when you kill 1 person,
thats murder, and when you kill by the thousands, you're an empire.

btw, i love England.  its damn good place to live as far as i'm concerned.
But cant really change the past, now can we.

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Chris Bourke wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> > Britain had a relatively positive impact
> > on their colonies.
> >
> > Oh really!?
>
> Yes, really.
>
> I originally intended to leave the message like that as a joke, but I
> can't resist elaborating(something that you should have done).
>
> Britain ended the legal descrimination of India's caste system that had
> prevailed for thousands of years, creating one of the most stable third
> world democracies(to this day!) who have a majority vote and still respect
> individual liberties.
>
> In Africa Britain ended centuries of tribal warfare in their colonies,
> bringing about peace and relative order, giving structure again to
> governments and society as a whole
>
> Britain was the first European country to ban slavery, and not just in
> Britain, they banned it in the entire empire, saving millions of lives and
> staving off the slave trade.
>
> In general, Britain was interested not in nationalistic conquest or
> violent repressive expropriation, rather they were interested in expanding
> markets and opening trade routes by forcing GOVERNMENTS(little more than
> local and regional tyrants) to lower trade barriers.  In China for
> example, Britain ended the tyrannical hold on the economy during the Opium
> wars.  The contact and influence of latent enlightenment principles
> Britain brought with them were the positive impact that they had on their
> colonies.
>
>
>
>
>






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From: "M. Rice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 01 Feb 1999 04:02:30 -0700


>this list has gone far too boring, and i am too bored to read it anymore..


Then don't.  No one forces anyone to read anything.  Unsubscribe.  It's not
hard.

>i don't really wanna even know your personal moby favourites or something
>like that. some point for the mails , please.

This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what is 'on
topic,' certainly no one can doubt that personal Moby favorites are on
topic.  This is a list of Moby fans talking about Moby and his music.

>and other thing is that moby's music is ain't as good anymore as it was
>back in 92-95.. almost every new produtions are quite awful, i hate to say
>that, but i think so.

Good, think it.  Not everyone will agree.

>personally i have gone more for deep house and stuff like that. I just love
>that deep & mood chicago house, that is what good music should be. i love
>kevin yost, mood ii swing, wamdue kids, jori hulkkonen , glenn underground
>and artists like that. anyone else here who likes too?


There is nothing that 'good' music should be.  What defines 'good' music is
a person's taste.  I think all of your favorite artists are worthless shits.

Besides, this is a Moby list, not a jori hilkkonen list, not even a deep
house list.  M-O-B-Y

>moby's music is too "pop" for me nowdays.


You sound like an underground kiddie that bitches whenever someone else
discovers an "underground" artist, or when an "underground" artist gets a
little radio play.



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From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:00:47 -0500 (EST)

> This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what is 'on

really?
for a second i thought it was the history channel.




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From: "M. Rice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Ed & Tim.
Date: 03 Feb 1999 09:16:24 -0700


>> >The U.S.A. was also built on colonialism to get where it is
>> >today - the native peoples didn't get much say when it came
>> >to living on their own land and what rights they had to
>> >their own land. I don't think you'd be saying the same
>> >things if the tables were turned.
>>
>> What the US Government did to the native americans was unforgivable.  But
>> one must understand the mentalities and situation involved.  The Native
>> Americans were largely Nomadic people who had no concept of "owning
land."
>> Even if the "white man" were to pay the native Americans for their land,
>> they would see it as very odd and would probably not have anything to do
>> with such a transaction.  Europeans and Americans on the other hand had
very
>> evolved and developed sence and legal definitions of ownership which
>> included land and natural resources.  This culture clash was sadly
>> inevitable, but I don't think that this country was build on the Manifest
>> destiny move westward.  The east already had highly developed and rich
>> economic bases.
>
>So you think all that was justified!?


Our definitions of property and ownership are far from evolved.  If
anything, they're far primitive to the views that Indians held.  The
'evolved' european views of property and boundaries has led to the rape and
destruction of the environment.  It's culiminated into frivolous lawsuits
and a culture seperate from nature and from one another.

Had the white man attempted to pay for native lands, he would've been told
to go away.  Not only were the lands sacred, but they also had nothing to
gain by the sale of the lands.  So, of course, the more 'evolved' culture
decided to chase them away with the military.  Now, the remains of native
American culture sit in barren wastelands on undesirable lands.



I'd be very interested to hear Moby's viewpoint on history and political
theory.  His environmental and religious views would lead me to jump to some
conclusions, but then again, that's just me interpreting what he's said to
fit what I think he should believe.  If anyone knows of any chat transcripts
or interviews where Moby discussed issues like these, I'd be very
interested.






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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) blah...blah...blah...
Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:45:32 +0000

When I said I morally can't vote for a democrat I do not mean that in the
sense of I am an ultra conservative.  In fact I am very much not, I do have
some conservative views on things.  What I meant is that what the parties
were founded on way back when they were started.  Republicans were founded
on individual rights while the democrats were founded on the rights of the
collective.  See my problem.

now both parties are so far removed from what they are based on and the
whole world of politics is rather disgusting but like I said in my intro I
am interested in ideas and essences.  In essence republicans stand for
individual rights, but there are so many wrong things with both parties.

but essential I can't vote for collectivists.

-------

A Moby question...


Does Moby's "honey" video exist online in a quicktime (or RA, AVI....)
anywhere?

-------

Chris
[e-mail]
ICQ# 25163388

---




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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it
Date: 03 Feb 1999 10:59:23 -0600

>to "The Chris' "
>
>I believe you said (a few digests ago) that your topics were -Moby
>related- because of his essays that appear on the last couple of albums
>in which he spews out his view of the world.  It seems as if you're
>using this reasoning to subject the list to your political view (albeit
>interesting to hear and find out about fellow mobility members).

SUBJECT?  what is so hard about pressing the delete button before you are so
horribly impeded upon?  No one is making you read buddy!  I pressed the
delete button many a-times when that long ass survey was going on but I
never complained once!  Jesus christ.

>While I
>don't want to be a "Moby-topic-only!" kind of person, I feel it would be
>more fun to talk about how often Moby jacks off (or you for that matter)
>rather than hear a history lesson according to the Limbaugh "dog eat
>dog" american conservatives.


Personal attacks?  My how mature you are.  Tim is the only one on this list
with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.  And if you
had been infact reading my comments instead of demonizing them for me, you
would realize that I am as far from Rush as I am from modern liberalism.
Pick up a book sometime and learn my friend, I suggest you start with Ayn
Rand's Atlas Shrugged.  Its Objectivism, not conservatism.

>I know, I know, you put the @@@ symbol in the subject line on some of
>them.  It's great you express your views and I'm intrigued enough to
>respond but please tell us more about your Moby-subway experience
>instead...


That was the other Chris, and I think he already did




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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Anyone know Moby's background?
Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:08:46 -0600

>I'd be very interested to hear Moby's viewpoint on history and political
>theory. ....If anyone knows of any chat transcripts
>or interviews where Moby discussed issues like these, I'd be very
>interested.


Infact, does anyone know of Moby's educational background?  Did he go to
college?  If so, where and what was his degree in?




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From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it
Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:17:32 -0500 (EST)

> SUBJECT?  what is so hard about pressing the delete button before you are so
> horribly impeded upon?  No one is making you read buddy!  I pressed the
> delete button many a-times when that long ass survey was going on but I
> never complained once!  Jesus christ.


I'd say that be easy too, but most people don't change the subject,
so for a subject line that says Moby's Honey, eventually turns into
an episode from politically correct..
and then you risk missing moby info when it does come on




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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: (mobility) Your Ideal Videos
Date: 03 Feb 1999 10:47:04 -0500

A while ago, I was listening to Hymn (the version on EIW) and had a killer
idea for a video for the song - a night star scape, with comets, satellites,
the moon rising, etc. timed to swells in the music.  I'm curious - has
anyone else been struck with these kind of ideas, i.e. this would make a
good video?  if so, what would the video be?

daniel
in a rather pathetic attempt to start a new thread

"but when they drag you, kicking and screaming from the scene you know, then
it's time to leave" - LTJ




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From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) i am desprate
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:06:57 -0800

Geoffrey Sproule wrote:
>
> could someone please send me a Cdr of underwater I am desperate to get a hold of a copy of that disk or would anyone be willing to sell it or
trade it for anyt
> if you send me a cdr I will get u a copy of anything I have
> Thank you

hi, are you talking about "the blue light of the underwater sun" song? I
just got that the other day if you're interested. Bye.
-Anthony



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From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Demons & Horses (was: i am desprate)
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:24:46 -0800

Anthony Colorez wrote:
>
> Geoffrey Sproule wrote:
> >
> > could someone please send me a Cdr of underwater I am desperate to get a hold of a copy of that disk or would anyone be willing to sell it
or
> trade it for anyt
> > if you send me a cdr I will get u a copy of anything I have
> > Thank you
>
> hi, are you talking about "the blue light of the underwater sun" song? I
> just got that the other day if you're interested. Bye.
> -Anthonysorry for sending that to the whole list, I meant to send it to Geoffrey
only.
Okay, so does anyone know where I can buy demons & horses on-line??
is this worth tracking down? I've never heard it before.
Why the hell is it called demons and horses anyway? Bye!
thanks.
-Anthony



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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Tim.
Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:18:34 -0600

>>The Good that they
>> did far outweighed the bad, and their motives were just as I said,
attempts
>> to open new markets and tear down trade barriers controlled by local and
>> regional tyrants
>
>... because they were doing it for their own interests, not
>to benefit anyone else, not to try and 'help' people, but
>subjugate them by force - that is not right, pure and
>simple.

British rule was more legally legitimate(ie mandates from the masses and
respect of political rights) than those of the repressive governments
already in place, at least they allowed for self government and stability.
I've never said that their emperialism was ever justified, just that the
final effects were more positive than negative.  What legitimate principle
says that every human action must be dictated by altruism?  People act in
their own interests, fine.  If they CHOOSE to act for the betterment of
others fine.  Again, no one should be"required compelled or expected to do
anything for anybody"!

>>you take your
>> cultural relativism so far as to say WWII Germany was justified in their
>> autrocities in so far as their own borders were concerned?
>
>Of course not! But everyone under the the capitalist god
>seems forced to obey within and without various countries
>borders anyway. It commits atrocities against the majority
>of it's people.

Seems?  Then this is a misinterpretation of events on your part.  Money is
not like a gun, you cannot FORCE anyone to do anything with it.
"Capitalists" do not have control in either their own countries or in the
international arena.  It is the governments, both legitimate and
illegitimate that have control.  In the third world capitalists are granted
sweeping powers by these governments to do business and exploit the locals
and what not.  This iS NOT CAPITALISM.  governments that hold the real
power.  The capitalists are at the mercy of any subjective whim that they
choose, just as the citizens are.  It is sick to see such a perverse system
pass for true capitalism it gives credence to persons such as yourself when
they say that capitalism is bad and point to autocratic regimes as examples.

>> A result of Nationalism/Facism/and Socialistic trends, Capitalism did not
>> percipitate in any measurable degree the events leading up to the Great
>> world wars.
>
>Maybe you need to have another look at history and the
>industrial revolution and what it lead to....
>>

True Laisezz-faire capitalism was dead in the U.S. beginning with the
Sherman act long before WWI even.  Europe never truly had a true capitalist
system.  I think YOU need to examine especially German aggression, Bismark's
regime and conquests and France's antagonism toward Germany.  The industrial
revolution did make the technology available to make systematic mass killing
possible, but the political reasons behind the 2 world wars were far from
capitalisms blame.  Hegemonic conquest, a mutual distrust and extreme
nationalism are the true culprits.


>> What the US Government did to the native americans was unforgivable.....

>So you think all that was justified!?

PLEASE READ! - ">> What the US Government did to the native americans was
unforgivable." ie unjustified.  But again you identify the true entity that
holds physical power, the GOVERNMENT, not capitalists.

>> Excuse me?  The Third world's economic capital comes from INVESTMENT from
>> the west, not extrodinarily high interest loans.  If anything The third
>> world nations would never (governmetns) would never get ANY loans because
of
>> political turmoil making them extremely bad credit risks.  Instead these
>> countries tend to print more money which leads to hyper inflation,
ruining
>> their OWN economies.  The have nots are have nots, not because of
external
>> "multinational" corporations but because of thier own autocratic
governments
>> controlling their economy and raping their resources in attempts to
continue
>> their regimes.
>
>Excuse me, but the reason many have autocratic governmnets
>is because of the European colonial system and capitalism
>is a new extension of colonialism - sorry the above just
>doesn't wash!
>


The reason many have autocratic governments is because of political infancy.
Freedom and Rights are a relatively new concept(since the enlightenment).
The third world has been used to such governments for millenia.  Low
literacy and ignorance of the masses lends them to rule by any charasmatic
leader promising prosperity and/or stability.  There is no capitalist
conspiracy to institute oppresive regimes in countries that they do business
in, it would be counter to their interests, remember the regime can at
anytime sieze all investments arbitrarily.  Who really has control here?

>You really think that industry will happily give account of
>all it's environmental destruction, exploitation of
>workers, etc without any control measure - no government
>interference? You are more naive than I thought!

Yes I do.  Accountability comes in the form of civil action and self
interest, not a government hand.  But this is secondary, it doesn't matter,
if we are to be consistent then the application of the prinicples of
capitalism should be universal.  Again, remember I wrote of the concept of
Public ownership as well as private ownership.  You never took this into
account.  Please read more carfully next time.

>What? Are you crazy? Yeah right, man/woman will mutually
>agree upon wages and low wages are acceptable to keep the
>workers below the poverty line - great!

Why should an employer be compelled to pay anymore than what he agrees to?
Why should a person be made to take a job that he/she doesn't want or is not
willing to take because of the low wages?  This is yet another ignored
concept, yet you agree to it at the end of this letter, read on....

>>HK & Indonesia<<

>I still think they're capitalists underneath it all - if
>they were really socialist they would not do business with
>capitalists.

Capitalists in the sense of making goods and distributing them for profit
yes, that is the function of any business regardless of the economic system.
You still do not know what laissez-faire capitalism truly is!  IT is not
state ownership, China is still FAR from capitalism.  I've never met a
consistent socialist/communist anyway, agreed.

>>snip<<

>The murder of millions of Kulaks in the name
>> of government controlled agricultural development.  Global warming and
the
>> Rain Forests are scientifically questionable to begin with.
>
>So rainforests and the people that live in them are
>expendable are they? Government controlled ecological
>principles don't have to result in murder when everybody
>gets a fair share of everything. It is possible to work
>together happily in different areas of life. You know there
>were such things as happy communities that people used to
>live in and survive in quite well. But no, the
>capitalists of the world have to bulldoze in and fuck
>everything up. It's normally when there's a huge gap
>between rich and poor that creates revolution, uprisings
>and murder.

Where was the word "expendable" in my statement?  You are resorting to
rhetorical word games rather than answering the arguement.  Government
cotrols don't always end in murder, no.  But they always always end in the
expropriation of individuals and industries.  Government controls deny the
basic human rights of the opportunity to make a living, to persue wealth,
and enjoy life.  As for your Romanticized communities...  They are a myth.
At no point in history have humans reached a point of Utopian bliss.  It
makes me sick to hear people pine for the "old days."  Are you refering to
the thug controlled agrarian societies of feudalism?  The Tribal antagonisms
of the third world?  Sorry buddy, it hasn't happened.


>> Atlas Shrugged.  You identify the prime mistake in all statist/conrolled
>> economy advocates.  First, you resort to pathos-like rhetoric trying to
>> appeal to people with the pathetic starving masses.  You ignore the
entire
>> basis of WEALTH.  Wealth is not static, it is not given, it is created!
The
>> Atlases of our world create weath through hard work and earned(ie
deserved)
>> endeavors.  In a free society wealth cannot be used to exploit put down
or
>> influence anyone to do anything!
>
>Now that view is biased!
>
>Yes it bloody can exploit! There will always be some greedy
>bastard who will do anything, even indirect murder to
>promote his/her own business at the expense of any other.
>Selfism has no respect for humanity or itself. You seem to
>ignore human and environmental suffering, not realising
>what the cause of it is. You think that is progress and
>this will last, this insatiable desire to consume out of
>control? That doesn't give many other poeple a chance for
>freedom, does it? All I advocate is giving everybody a
>chance, no matter where they are from and capitalism
>doesn't allow this, but forces the majority into positions
>they cannot hope to be given a chance in.
>

HELLO?!?!!?  you still have NO comprehension of what I am talking about do
you?  TRUE LAISSE-FAIRE capitalism.  Get out your websters, then get out Ayn
Rand.  Please


>Of course no one is entitled to have someone else's
>property. You capitalists are paranoid aren't you? There is
>a place for equality where the law gives everyone equal
>opportunities, but also caters for those who will
>inevitably make mistakes, or through no fault of their own,
>fail - because they are human. A government that can help
>provide a small helping hand for those in that less
>fortunate position, rather than let them rot around us.
>It's not like present rich governmment nations can't afford
>to do it, either. Unfortunately the money goes on far more
>wasteful and unnecessary things like the military, to
>suppress others who don't want to follow a capitalist way
>of life!
>Tim Beecher


"caters for those who will inevitably make mistakes"?!?!  How?  This can
only mean the redistribution of wealth which requires the expropriation of
those who own property.  Whether it is by direct nationalization of industry
or collection of taxes.  If you agree that there are property rights then
you must be consistent.  The only question that you should be asking
yourself is "at who's expense"?  Let's feed everyone.  At who's expense?
Let's redistribute wealth to make sure everyone has at least the
necessities.  At who's expense?  Let's make sure everyone has equal medical
care and other necessities.  At who's expense?

You still have not shown that you have any concept of ownership or true
laissez-faire capitalism, though you have a vague respect of property rights
and enjoy the fruits of capitalism and advancement yourself(obviously you're
communicating by email).  Instead of building a concise philosophy based on
actual priciples, you merely see evil in the world and assume that it is the
result of capitalists out of control and attempt to alieviate pain and
suffering by inflicting even more pain and suffering.  Equality is not
reached by raising the standards of living of the have-nots at the expense
of lowering the higher standards of the haves.  Equality is merely equality
of opportunity, not guarantees or government hand outs.




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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Demons & Horses
Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:36:23 -0700

Anthony Colorez wrote:
> Okay, so does anyone know where I can buy demons & horses on-line??

First, try Mutebank (http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/bank/bank.htm).
If they don't have it, ask Steve Giles. :)

> is this worth tracking down? I've never heard it before.

Yes, it is.  Unless you hate repetitive acid techno that builds
into huge twenty-minute monster tracks.

> Why the hell is it called demons and horses anyway? Bye!

The first track is called "Demons".  Listen to it and you'll know
why.  It's an incredible, dark journey that builds to terrifying
intensity.  Best listened to loudly with headphones in the dark.

The second track, "Horses", is just a long stompy acid track.
I guess it may have been named for the hi-hat-type sounds that
gallop through the song.  IMHO this track is also cool.

-=>  Dan Cerman  -=>  http://www.moby.org/
NP:  Underworld, "Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Mix)"



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From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Your Ideal Videos/this stupid argument
Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:48:29 -0700

daniel.. thanks for trying to start a new thread.

i'm sorry, but i don't need a history lesson of britain right now.  if
we don't get back onto proper topics soon, i'm gone.  i'm tired of this
stupid battle of "who's smarter" going on here... if i wanted to learn
about britain, i'd read about it in a history book.  if you want to
continue this argument, i suggest you start a new private thread solely
on this topic and stop boring everyone else to DEATH!

as for daniel's question:  i had one video idea for first cool hive.
whenever i listen to it, images from all over the world flash into my
head.  if mixed properly and timed, it would look awesome.  living in
the desert, i picture beautiful sunsets and everything.  i wish i could
describe it more, but i'm in a rush.
plov

Daniel Redmond wrote:
>
> A while ago, I was listening to Hymn (the version on EIW) and had a killer
> idea for a video for the song - a night star scape, with comets, satellites,
> the moon rising, etc. timed to swells in the music.  I'm curious - has
> anyone else been struck with these kind of ideas, i.e. this would make a
> good video?  if so, what would the video be?
>
> daniel
> in a rather pathetic attempt to start a new thread
>
> "but when they drag you, kicking and screaming from the scene you know, then
> it's time to leave" - LTJ



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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2
Date: 03 Feb 1999 19:21:16 -0000


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:49 PM


>
>
>On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Geoffrey Sproule wrote:
>
>> hello I finally got my track in the post for thanks 2
>> (I had Cdr trouble)
>> could you please email me if it is too late
>
>I'm confused - I got your submissions a while ago, no?  Do you have new
>ones - or are you saying that you mailed them via snail-mail, or....?
>
>In either case, no, its not too late!  Send away!
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Greg
>
>

no the thing i ftp-ed did not go through
so i snail mailed them
there are 2 tracks
one is reversed
use which one you prefer
let me know what you think




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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) get Demons/Horses here:
Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:29:14 PST

WARNING: Actual Moby message :WARNING

Geoffrey, it was you looking for "Demons/Horses", right? You're in
Ireland, so I have two UK dealers for you who have this.

The 12" (this place has the motherlode, check it out)
http://www.imvs.co.uk/

The CD single (4 pounds)
http://www.personal.u-net.com/~crac/

Coincidentally, my D/H 12" came in the mail today (NovaMute), along with
yet another UHF 12", this one being published on XL.

Mostly Useless Links: A comp w/ Honey & a profile screen for a
synthesizer Moby uses/used.

Ultra Techno 6
http://www.labels.tm.fr/sources/fiches/bacs/nov98/ultech/ultech.html

Synth museum
http://www.synthmuseum.com/serge/serge01.html

-Steve

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Greg Shipley
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:35:46 -0600

Greg,
    I sent you my tracks for Thanks II today (02-03-99)

         RT



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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) videos
Date: 03 Feb 1999 19:45:07 -0000

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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Me???
Date: 03 Feb 1999 19:58:13 -0000

>
>As for the universe of geoffrey's - you'll have to wait at
>least 2 weeks - so tough!
>
>Anarchy!
>
>TMB
>

does that refer to me?
How?

Geoffrey Sproule




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From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:21:32 -0600

Vegetarianism doesn't mean anything if you "break" it whenever you feel
like it.  For most, it is a moral decision based on an overwhelming amounts
of reasons.  If Martin Luther King Jr. had just decided to say "What the
hell, let's kill some honkies, just this once", We would have absolutely no
respect for him.  Integrity means sticking to  your (moral and ethical)
guns.  Straying away for awhile depletes the honesty of what you are doing.
 If you can actually force yourself to eat meat, maybe you just quit
because you don't want 45-55 pounds of undigested red meat in your bowels
by the age of 50.  Maybe you don't care about the suffering, etc.  But for
those of us who are vegetarian or vegan for moral reasons, it is not
possible to just bend the rules for a steak every once in awhile.  I have
been without meat in my body for over two and a half years(I'm 19) and have
had no problem staying away from meat.  I have talked to others and found
most of them have struggled against the desire for meat.  It's alot easier
to do if you inform yourself on the subject.  Actually go get a new book on
meat packing plants that isn't written by or paid for by the meat industry.
 There is a good one called "Dead meat"  that came out a few years ago.  I
don't remeber the author, but with the internet it's easy to find. If you
don't find yourself completely disgusted after that, you are a born
carnivore, and also a very self-centered person.  I am so disgusted by the
whole idea of eating something living's flesh that I can hardly look at raw
meat, so it's easy for me.  If you want to make it easy on you, look at
some pictures of meat factories.  You will wish you could erase part of
your memory so you would never have to see those images in your mind again.
 I am glad I can call up those images, because even though they cause me
pain, they reinforce my will with steel.  Who you are is what you do, and I
Don't Eat Meat!  For all of those out there who think no one else cares
about their struggle against animal products, I do. And many others also.
Don't ever give up hope.  Listen to a happy moby song or some bob marley,
and you'll be fine.

"I feel good about ME 'cause I haven't hurt ANYBODY ELSE"----Unknown

MO

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> From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:17 PM
>
> >very well said chris!
> >I think you should be a history major...
> >Sure it's easy to argue the other side and find the tyranny, but I
> >never heard anyone point out the good points in such a simple clear
manner.
> >Perhaps all empires have a split personality- how can they not with
> >all the people that influence the agenda?
> >Sure- Moby does not eat meat or animal products....
> >but what about EVIL NINJA MOBY?
> >Hmmm....I don't know what a ninja's diet consists of, but I think
> >that if he were evil that perhaps that includes eating meat.
> >A Split personality can be very useful actually....how else can I be
> >a vegitarian and still eat prime rib a couple times a year?
> >
> >I'm working on that...
> >I have been meat free for over a month now!!! I actually went for it.
>
>
> First, thanks.  Second, I have been meat free for about 1 year and 3
months.
> However, I am not a total vegan.  Also, during the summer I went to New
> Orleans and broke my vegetarianism in order to partake in the local
cuisine.
> I wonder how many other vegans/vegetarians break their tradition and
under
> what circumstances.  I also broke it and had some good prime rib with my
> family this past christmas/newyears.
>
>



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Tim.
Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:06:26 +0000 (GMT)

I think you have misunderstood a lot of what I was saying
and took certain words out of context and I didn't make it
clear enough. I would love to respond, but right now is not
a good time, as I've got too much work to do!

I would just like to say that workers should be given a
fair wage, in many cases they are not and live below the
poverty line - because they have NO CHOICE. It's the only
job they can get in many cases. However, let's forget
lassez-faire for now. The fact is we have capitalism in its
present form and it is criminal and I could never morally
or ethically vote for governments that support it, THOUGH
THERE IS NOT MUCH CHOICE WITH THE CURRENT VOTING SYSTEM IN
THIS COUNTRY - we've got the best of a bad bunch - 'new
labour', or should I say 'new tories' in actual fact.

Many people still live in communitites today, but they are
rapidly being eroded away. Rural communities in this
country are dying and no they're not based on thuggery or
violence, but on a decent way of life, as are many in
India, Africa and Latin America. In many cases they are
forced to leave their homes and even murdered to make way
for 'progress'in these poor countries. There are many other
ways of making progress - long term investment and
controlled spending, rather than short term - quick profit
encouraged by capitalism which messes everything up. The
environment and animal welfare is sacrificed because of it,
as well as the heart and soul of humanity.

If I'm not mistaken, you said you were vegetarian? If so on
what grounds? If you are veggie because of cruelty to
animals then how can you side with a system that causes so
much suffering and destruction? Intensive and
factory farming is due to the demands and excesses of a
capitalist system. It is possible to feed separate
communities across entire continents on more extensive,
natural farming, especially if most people are vegetarian.


ECO-SOCIALISM is the future for the planet.

TMB.

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it
Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:06:55 +0000


Personal attacks?   Tim is the only one on this list
with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.


I, for one wasn't trying to get personal just stating my opinion.
I'm sorry if you find it uninteligent but I am afraid I don't claim
to be a MENSA member or anything but I still think I am permitted my
own personal opinion.  I'm sorry if you misconstrued this as a
personal attack.  It certainly wasn't intended as such.

Ed



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Me???
Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:27:39 +0000 (GMT)

No mate, not you! Sorry, just another misunderstanding.
We're referring to Captain Sensible.

Tim.

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:58:13 -0000 Geoffrey Sproule
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >
> >As for the universe of geoffrey's - you'll have to wait at
> >least 2 weeks - so tough!
> >
> >Anarchy!
> >
> >TMB
> >
>
> does that refer to me?
> How?
>
> Geoffrey Sproule
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) videos / thoughts / trades
Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:31:37 PST

Ideas for videos....

When I hear "God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters" I imagine stormy
seas under a dark gray sky. I see the waves crashing against each other
in slow motion, breaking. I'd use lots of nature photgraphy, mostly
stuff related to the elements of air and water. Calamitous, disastrous,
yet beautiful images. No humans or man-made structures would appear in
this video.

For "Time's Up (Dust Mix)" I'd highlight two different things, firstly,
I'd show some primitive tribal people banging on drums, making music,
and doing fire dances. On the other hand, I show a construction crew
building a skyscraper, alternating back and forth using both the tribal
drums and the hammer strikes on beat. I'm sure some of the jungle
footage can be used with the "Oh-o-oh-o-oh-o-oh" samples in the song.
The the evil acid riffs can be accomplanied by some stop-motion of the
sun's reflection twisting off the sides of the glass panels on the
skyscraper. (so the sun can move much faster than actual time) That's a
good start.

"UHF" would be easy. Take some footage of a rave, or club, and edit it
to highlight the darker, stranger, more intense fucked up side of
everything, visually, while the subterranean evil part is playing.
(maybe a dancer's silohuette with glow-sticks, red lights from above)
Then, during the escalating piano riff, (which eventually found a home
in the Next Is E remixes) I would highlight the lighter side. (perhaps
an outdoor party under the sun, people laughing together, smiling)

Regarding the history debates, I found them quite fascinating until the
messages fell into redundancy and one-upsmanship. I understand the @@@@
thing, but you have a conversation between 3-4 people. Yet you're
broadcasting it to 200+ subscribers who aren't here for that purpose. I
also resent the comment about about there only being one person smart
enough to reply to the subject. Besides intelligence there is A)
interest and B) appropriateness of topic to be considered by replyers,
too. Please don't insult the whole of the list that's not participating
in "Hardball goes History". Off-topic posting only becomes a problem
when it becomes the rule instead of the exception. We had a real good
string of great Moby messages going that just died suddenly. I'm trying
to be part of the solution by participating in Moby topics. I know the
interest is out there. Let's here from some more of you. Stop for two
minutes to consider what song, album, idea, or comment you might like to
post about. I'll join you.

How about something of a trader's post on mobility? Nobody's responded
to me constantly asking about this, (yet), but maybe if I put up some
items to trade with I'll get a better response.

For trade
UHF 12" (XL)
UHF 12" (Instinct)
(both have UHF, Everything, Protect Write, & Peace Head)

ATINITBL promo CD
(H.O.S. mix of ATINITBL, Shining, New Dawn Fades, & Into the Blue(s) Jon
Spencer Mix - no cover insert, just a sticker w/ EIW tour dates)


Wanted
CD:
Everything Is Wrong DJ Mix
Ambient
US Animal Rights
Story So Far

CD or Vinyl
Any Go singles
Moby's Michael Jackson mixes
Moby's Yello mix
Moby's Westbam mix
anything else

That should make for an easy start. I'm open to other offers, of course,
and requests.

-Steve



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) TO EVERYONE...POLITICS OVER!
Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:45:00 +0000 (GMT)

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO EVERYONE THAT THERE WILL BE NO
MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS LIST FROM ME ON CAPITALISM,
SOCIALISM, HUMAN RIGHTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUES, DOC MARTENS, ETC., OKAY!!? LET'S GET A SENSE OF
HUMOUR.

THIS IS DUE TO THE MAJORITY VIBE.

PEACE,

T.

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos / thoughts / trades
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:51:31 -0500

Very interesting...I guess i'm not the only one who noticed the natural
beauty of moby's instrumental tracks...seeing as three other people have
given "nature"-type video ideas. Here's one for Anima-
A lone black figure wandering through a deserted downtown setup, complete
with alleyways and various seedy establishment.  Or perhaps a lone car
driving down a highway at night.  I've always viewed Anima as a song of
lonliness, of trying to find something unfindable (hey, i'm making my own
words up again!).

just more of my thoughts...
daniel

"Remember when they looked through you and looked past me, we were the ones
they said would always leave..." - LTJ

>When I hear "God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters" I imagine stormy
>seas under a dark gray sky. I see the waves crashing against each other
>in slow motion, breaking. I'd use lots of nature photgraphy, mostly
>stuff related to the elements of air and water. Calamitous, disastrous,
>yet beautiful images. No humans or man-made structures would appear in
>this video.




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos / thoughts / trades
Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:54:35 +0000 (GMT)

By the way I never claimed to be intelligent - I'm just Mr.
Average okay, trying to voice my opinion and now I've said
my piece and it's going no further. It would be great if
everyone could voice their opinions and not just those that
claim to be intelligent or superior - which I never did, I
hasten to add. I'm all for the everyday man and woman
having a voice - I'm just one of you - an equal alright
(which is what all I said was about!)?

I just got really provoked earlier, now I'm over it!

T.

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:50:24 -0600

From Tim:

>If I'm not mistaken, you said you were vegetarian? If so on
>what grounds? If you are veggie because of cruelty to
>animals then how can you side with a system that causes so
>much suffering and destruction? Intensive and
>factory farming is due to the demands and excesses of a
>capitalist system. It is possible to feed separate
>communities across entire continents on more extensive,
>natural farming, especially if most people are vegetarian

I am a vegetarian based on the factory farm situation.  Pig farms pollute
ground water and the volume that farms deal in make the living conditions of
the animals abhorid.  I have nothing against eating animals in and of
itself.  However, as a PERSONAL decision, I have decided not to support such
an industry by not eating their products.  I don't proselytize others and I
certainly don't support government laws which would require people to become
vegetarianism.  Small family farms provide much better conditions for both
the environment and the animals.  If I could be assured that the products I
eat are from these farms and that in the process of raising them the
conditions characteristic of the factory farms were not there, then I would
have absolutely nothing against devouring all the meat in the world.  Free
range chickens for example are fine by me.  Milk from milk cows is okay
considering the pampered conditions they live in(of course injecting them
with BHC is not).  However, as you point out, such a system would severly
restrict the supply of animal products and consequently increase the price
of meat.  Would you be willing to pay 2-3 times as much for a steak?  I
don't know, but such as system is certainly possible, I would never advocate
its creation through government controls though.  Power to the Amish and
their farms!

And now from Kelly:

>Vegetarianism doesn't mean anything if you "break" it whenever you feel
>like it.  For most, it is a moral decision based on an overwhelming amounts
>of reasons.  If Martin Luther King Jr. had just decided to say "What the
>hell, let's kill some honkies, just this once", We would have absolutely no
>respect for him.  Integrity means sticking to  your (moral and ethical)
>guns.  snip...>>

It depends on your justification for not eating meat, read above for mine.
If I were assured that none of the negative effects were present in the
production of my meal(ie no pollution, chemical stimulants, or harsh
conditions) then I would have no problem with it.  Last summer in New
Orleans I ate seafood.  I don't see this as a major infraction against my
vegetarianism mainly because the sea food was always fresh and harvested,
not artifically grown, ie seamen caught the seafood, they didn't mass
produce it in a factory farm.  I've heard of, although never met, many
vegetarians who will eat sea food anytime for these reasons.  Additionally,
according to the biologists, creatures from the deep don't have a nervous
system like we do; as such they don't really feel pain in the same manner as
mammals, fowl etc...

I also ate prime rib with my family this past christmas.  I didn't consider
this to be too horrible of a thing since it was the only time in over 1 year
that I had eaten beef.  This small incidence in my eyes didn't affect the
overall picture.  I don't see the whole issue as a moral imperative at all.
It is a personal choice, not an ethical directive.

There isn't just ONE vegetarianism.  I think you'll find that each
individual's view varies a lot, whether its their justification or practice.
However you see it, you've got to accept that it is a matter of personal
choice otherwise you'll rack yourself crazy trying to turn the ignorant
masses.




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) i am desprate
Date: 03 Feb 1999 21:18:45 +0000

Reply-to:      [e-mail]

could someone please send me a Cdr of underwater

I hope no one is offended but I have tried everything I can possibly
do to get this disk I didn't have a CD player when EIW came out so
only bought the tape version


This is isn't on EIW is it?

Ed



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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Your Ideal Videos
Date: 03 Feb 1999 16:33:55 -0800

>I'm curious - has
> anyone else been struck with these kind of ideas, i.e. this would make a
> good video?  if so, what would the video be?
>
> daniel

yo daniel.  thanks a bunch for a new thread.  yeah daniel!  and its a COOL
thread.  i never even thought about sharing my idea that struck me last
summer...

god moving over the face of the waters: flying over a beach with the waves
breaking below in the morning light.  kinda like a camera panning from a
low flying plane or something, as seen in countless movies... or maybe
something along the lines of the intro of I know what you did last summer,
over the breaking waves. Yes, horrid movie, but its the first one that
comes to mind.

into the blue:  a woman standing on the edge of the roof of a building with
her arms reaching out at her sides.  camera coming closer and backing away,
all the time circling her, but she never moves, aside from her long hair
blowing in the wind.  near the very end of the song you see angel's wings
(you know those big beautiful feather ones... *drool*) sprout from her back
and she jumps. the end.

say its all mine: moby in a room with a revolving chair (one of those big
egg shaped ones that are hollow on one side... urrggg... can't explain it
without sounding dumb). basically its him spinning side to side on the
chair, looking around but not singing the words. during the chorus there
are various takes of his face, practically screaming the lyrics to the
camera.  after the first chorus he gets up and wanders around the floor of
the room, which is empty aside from the chair, sometimes lies down,
sometimes rests his head against the wall and so on...  it continues until
the very end of the song when it fades out, and the camera looks up and the
roof is covered by a huge photograph of moby and some girl, (to me the same
woman i see in the into the blue video).

well, that's what i see...
maybe it makes sense,maybe it doesn't... i just thought i'd share tho.

-kelly



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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 03 Feb 1999 16:31:09 -0800

> There's no "happy medium" in the methods of factory farming, in the
> torturous practices that animals used for human consumption are subjected
> to.  No "happy medium" in the environmental destruction for which the
> meat and dairy industry is responsible.

must... not... start... huge fight.

its nice to have high ideals, to live a cruelty free life.
but we all cant do it.

you can't save everyone.

and you can't expect EVERYONE to be willing to give up EVERYTHING. its a
nice thought, everyone on the face of the planet going vegan... but its not
a realistic goal now, is it? personally, i'd rather say "good for you!
you've stopped eating meat! i'm glad you found something that makes you
happy". instead of "shame on you!  put down that cheese pizza! tisk tisk
tisk... did you know a cow was forcibly impregnated to provide the milk for
that cheese? here, have some tofu instead".  it just won't work that way...
you can't guilt people into doing something they don't want to do.  people
need to find their comfort zone.  their "happy medium".  at least they're
doing SOMETHING.

and unfortunatly, people have selective memories.  no matter what horror
stories you tell them, they'll just do what ever they damn well please.
*sigh* c'est la vie...

so am i totally off base here?  is associating with meat eaters making me
soft? or am i just realistic? anyone?

and yes, im ready to get flamed to a nice toasty crust on the outside and
still tender on the inside from all the militant veggies out there who
think i have forsaken them...
*shrugs*
ya gotta do what ya gotta do. ya know?

-kelly



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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Ed & Tim.
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:28:19 -0800 (PST)

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mOBY OR hISTORY???????
Brian!!!!!!




---Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> First, Ed, please, "I'm afraid I just don't agree with this"?  It's
mainly
> accepted historical interpretation and points of fact.  Rebuttle if
you
> wish, but please elaborate.
>
> Secondly, on to Tim's letter:
>
>
> >Oh come on both Chris', let's get some reality here.
> >Britain was primarily interested in advancing it's own
> >wealth at the expense of the people it conquered - thank
> >God colonialism has virtually died amongst the European
> >nations. It was pure exploitation, and competition for
> >power that accelerated the ravaging of other cultures and
> >their wealth to be ahead of their other European rivals.
> >The French and the British were constantly at it and look
> >how the Spanish before them decimated the peoples of
> >Central and South America. They had a very advanced
> >civilisation compared to many money grabbing, war mongering
> >Europeans.
>
>
> Again, in historical context if you pick up any book on Britain's
history,
> instead of quoting the biased opinions of the "New Internationalist"
 you
> would see mounds of documentation.  While France, Portugal and Spain
> attempted to drain colonies of natural resources and violently put
down it's
> local people, enslaving them Britain had a much more positive
effect.  I'm
> not saying that colonialism was ever justified, just that
relatively, the
> Brits never went to the extent of the rest of Europe.  The Good that
they
> did far outweighed the bad, and their motives were just as I said,
attempts
> to open new markets and tear down trade barriers controlled by local
and
> regional tyrants.
>
> >I think it's pure arrogance to suggest that any nation
> >should be encouraged to force others to accept its way of
> >life, culture and religion. Some people in the West have a
> >serious superiority complex!
>
> Again, if you know anything of true history, the Brits allowed self
> government, freedom of religion and even went to great extents to
preserve
> language and culture in their colonies(observe for instance India,
in which
> each local state was given local rule and encouraged to keep the
mother
> tounge).  Not so with the rest of Europe.  Historical observation is
not a
> justification for colonialism.  I never suggested that any nation
should "be
> encouraged to for others to accept its way".  However, I will state
that
> there are objective rules/guidelines for morality.  Would you take
your
> cultural relativism so far as to say WWII Germany was justified in
their
> autrocities in so far as their own borders were concerned?
>
> >
> >Tribal wars in Africa were far less damaging to the world
> >and humanity than those fought by present 'first world'
> >nations over the centuries, but none so appalling as this
> >century.
>
> A result of Nationalism/Facism/and Socialistic trends, Capitalism
did not
> percipitate in any measurable degree the events leading up to the
Great
> world wars.
>
> >The U.S.A. was also built on colonialism to get where it is
> >today - the native peoples didn't get much say when it came
> >to living on their own land and what rights they had to
> >their own land. I don't think you'd be saying the same
> >things if the tables were turned.
>
> What the US Government did to the native americans was unforgivable.
 But
> one must understand the mentalities and situation involved.  The
Native
> Americans were largely Nomadic people who had no concept of "owning
land."
> Even if the "white man" were to pay the native Americans for their
land,
> they would see it as very odd and would probably not have anything
to do
> with such a transaction.  Europeans and Americans on the other hand
had very
> evolved and developed sence and legal definitions of ownership which
> included land and natural resources.  This culture clash was sadly
> inevitable, but I don't think that this country was build on the
Manifest
> destiny move westward.  The east already had highly developed and rich
> economic bases.
>
> >Capitalism and globalisation today, thanks to the 'free
> >market' has pushed its new brand of colonialism and
> >imperialism on other nations inside and outside the West,
> >to satisfy the minority rich in the rich nations and fuck
> >up the 'have-nots' in the process - the majority of these
> >people are forced into poverty by the current system. The
> >Majority world (Third World) nations are held to ransom by
> >the IMF and World Bank by never-ending debt and usury
> >(usury, at one time being a sin according to old
> >Judaeo-Christian and Islamic beliefs).
>
> Excuse me?  The Third world's economic capital comes from INVESTMENT
from
> the west, not extrodinarily high interest loans.  If anything The
third
> world nations would never (governmetns) would never get ANY loans
because of
> political turmoil making them extremely bad credit risks.  Instead
these
> countries tend to print more money which leads to hyper inflation,
ruining
> their OWN economies.  The have nots are have nots, not because of
external
> "multinational" corporations but because of thier own autocratic
governments
> controlling their economy and raping their resources in attempts to
continue
> their regimes.
>
> >Laissez-faire capitalism (sounds better than the present
> >form) but has led to ludicrous pacts between rich
> >governments allowing industry to have free reign, in
> >whatever countries industry chooses, i.e. the MAI pact
> >recently in Geneva. Industry will have no accountability -
> >so it can exploit workers, pollute the environment and just
> >continue to ravage about any decent thing left in society
> >and the world around us with no controls and governments of
> >poorer countries and even the rich ones won't be able to do
> >a damn thing about it unless this crazy notion is stopped.
> >So capitalism, laissez - frigging - faire or not, will
> >still exploit for capitalists' own ends; someone will
> >always suffer as a result.
>
> Ha!  You have shown that you have no concept of what Laissez-faire
> capitalism is!  No Government intervention in the economy is exactly
what it
> says!  NO INTERVENTION.  That means no FAVORS no SUBSIDIES no
FAVORITISM,
> period!  Capitalism extends from political and moral theories not a
need for
> economic development.  No controls doesn't mean no accountability!
Yet
> another way government controls in the form of tort reform pervert
the true
> principles of Capitalism!  Public resources such as drinking water
and the
> air would be subject to public protection, ie through civil action
against
> those who would polute the environment.  Exploitation in a true
> laissez-faire, free market economy is NOT possible.  Every man/woman
is free
> to decide who to work for and at mutually agreed upon wages.  Low
wages are
> NOT exploitation in and of themselves.  Please.
>
> >I'm not sure you can refer to Indonesia as a socialist
> >nation - it is still hands-in-glove with the capitalists of
> >the West, which helps fund it's repression of the East
> >Timorese and it's own people. Even China is more of a
> >capitalist nation with the gloss of communist principles
> >over it - now that is repressive to the extreme - the worst
> >of both bad worlds.
>
> ?!?!!?  Indonesia not a socialist country?  What praytell is it?  If
not
> socialist I would agree that it is ruled by a MILITARY REGIME, and not
> governed by capitalistic principles(which include respect of personal
> liberty against a tyrannical government)
>
> There is not a single private, major industrial entity in all of
China with
> the exception of HK.  Communisms death has been staved off and they
have
> made capitalistic reforms in the last few decades, but they are FAR
from
> capitalism.  Everything is still state owned.
>
> >As for the rainforests and indigenous peoples - I'm not
> >just referring to the Amazonian one. Their destruction is
> >fuelled by the insatiable desire of capitalist-driven
> >globalisation. Subsistence farmers wouldn't have to destroy
> >so much if they were in a state that provided controlled
> >and carefully managed agriculture and
> >conservation/ecological principles to benefit everybody and
> >everything. Let's also remember that the prime culprits of
> >rainforest destruction are the rich cattle ranchers, heavy
> >industry and dam builders funded by the World Bank, for the
> >rich countries own interest and usury.
>
> Just like Stalin's Russia huh?  The murder of millions of Kulaks in
the name
> of government controlled agricultural development.  Global warming
and the
> Rain Forests are scientifically questionable to begin with.  Ha!
You sound
> like a militia man they with your conspiritorial antagonisms toward
the
> World Bank.  They don't own everything my friend.  again, see above.
>
> >There is enough food to feed everyone in the world right
> >now, but under the current economic regime (which is out of
> >control and is on the verge of self-destruction)- the haves
> >get more and the have-nots get even less. Where does it end?
> >
> >Are you saying that all us comfortable, well-off types
> >(usually already born with a silver spoon in our mouths,
> >while others are trapped in poverty with no chance of ever
> >escaping, all because of past silver spoon, exploitative
> >bastards), should leave people starve to death? Do you
> >think they willingly let themselves starve to death and so
> >they deserve it? Should we exterminate all handicapped and
> >ill people because they are a drain on our military
> >expenditure because they deserve it? People must be fired
> >from there jobs and become homeless because they're human
> >and not running around like headless chickens for the sake
> >of the stock market to feed the fat bastards at the top.
> >Some of us have short memories.
> <<<<snip>>>>but simply self-destruction.
> >
>
>
> Atlas Shrugged.  You identify the prime mistake in all
statist/conrolled
> economy advocates.  First, you resort to pathos-like rhetoric trying
to
> appeal to people with the pathetic starving masses.  You ignore the
entire
> basis of WEALTH.  Wealth is not static, it is not given, it is
created!  The
> Atlases of our world create weath through hard work and earned(ie
deserved)
> endeavors.  In a free society wealth cannot be used to exploit put
down or
> influence anyone to do anything!  The only problem with today's
system is
> that people with money(the rich) aren't true to the ideals of
laissez-faire
> capitalism and the governments instituted allow such bribery.  the
wealth
> would rather not have to work to maintain or create weath and
instead buy
> influence with governments and those in control.  This is the TRUE
problem
> and why many people still suffer poverty.
>
>
> >True equality is liberty against economic and social
> >oppression.
>
>
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 03 Feb 1999 21:30:10 +0000


must... not... start... huge fight.

Oh go on, be a devil

Ed



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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:34:04 -0800 (PST)

God, thank fucking god that some one else can speak up. I remember
last week posting a relly intresting artical which was 100% Moby and
not one person can recall or remark on it ?????????/No i guess that we
all should be in school!




---"Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what
is 'on
>
> really?
> for a second i thought it was the history channel.
>
>
>

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From: **** <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Goldie
Date: 03 Feb 1999 15:40:56 CST

>>goldie"s saturnz return, a double cd. i guess i'm lucky enough to work =

>>  for =

>>best buy and have friends at rolling stones and tower. =

>>andrew =

  =

>  I paid 7 bucks for it used. Despite the media wrestling with it, I =

> thought it was fabulous. Made me even more of a fan. Saying it wasn't =

>DnB is a total piece of crap, seeing as how it sounded enough like it =

>for me. =


>  d... =


i agree....  Goldie got such a bum rap after this album... in my opinion,=
 it
was the best album of the year.   (of ANY style of music). i can't believ=
e the
bad reaction that "digital" got when it was released.  that song is so
great... not to mention a daring fusion of 2 different styles of music:  =
rap &
drum n bass.  =


Goldie has guts...  one thing that i really admire about him and Metalhea=
dz is
their refusal to get locked in and held down by trying to fit into the dr=
um n
bass "scene."  they don't care what everyone else is doing; if they want =
to
make a drum n bass song then they will, but if they don't, then they don'=
t.   =

they have the courage to do this.  =


here's a page with all my favorite albums from 1998:  (please excuse the
non-loading images... my webspace crashed.) =

[ http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~jwsingle/98.htm ]   :)

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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
Date: 03 Feb 1999 16:51:21 -0800

> And now from Kelly:
>
> >Vegetarianism doesn't mean anything if you "break" it whenever you feel
> >like it.  <snip>

is there another kelly on the list?  just wondering... cause I'm pretty
sure I didnt say that...

and i thought i became a veggie for ethical reasons, but the more i look at
it, the more i realize i'm a veggie is for health reasons.  do i lose
points for that?  my mom had colon cancer which is a diet related cancer.
they removed the affected part of her bowel over the summer, but that's no
money back guarantee that its gone for good.  cancer scares the shit out of
me.  so i try to limit the amount of substances that are believed to be
carcogenic (sorry... wrong spelling... no matter how many times i try to
spell it, i can't get it right) from entering my body.  so maybe this is
why i dont' run out of the room screaming when my boi starts chowing down
on chicken wings...  i just accept it and eat my own meal in peace.  i dont
want to change him, he doesn't want to change me.  awwww... how sweet! :)

now to relate this back to moby...
would HE freak if he went to lunch with someone and they ordered a meat
based meal and proceded to eat it infront of him?  i doubt he would... but
maybe i think that because i know i wouldn't. just as long as they don't
offer me a taste and get offended when i decline.  because yes, enthough
i'm healty veggie gurl, the ethical points are still there in the back of
my mind.  so if tomorrow the front page of the toronto star reads ANIMAL
PRODUCTS HAVE NO RELATION TO CANCER! SCOUTS HONOUR!  i'm not about to go
chow down on a steak anytime soon...

okay. enough veggie talk from me. i'm going off on weird tangets anyway.
chemistry at 8:15 in the morning will do that to you. *groan*
i'll shaddup now.

-kelly



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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Anyone know Moby's background?
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:26:42 -0800 (PST)

I know that he went to UCONN for a while right here in Conn. Although
he droped out!
Peace
Bri




---Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I'd be very interested to hear Moby's viewpoint on history and
political
> >theory. ....If anyone knows of any chat transcripts
> >or interviews where Moby discussed issues like these, I'd be very
> >interested.
>
>
> Infact, does anyone know of Moby's educational background?  Did he
go to
> college?  If so, where and what was his degree in?
>
>
>

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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it asshole!
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:29:38 -0800 (PST)

Hey Eric
For your information this is the MOBY list, as I my self have been
told so many times befor so keep it to moby or dont respond.......I
hate pressing delete button if I really dont have to plus your
clogging up my mail.
Bri




---"Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > SUBJECT?  what is so hard about pressing the delete button before
you are so
> > horribly impeded upon?  No one is making you read buddy!  I
pressed the
> > delete button many a-times when that long ass survey was going on
but I
> > never complained once!  Jesus christ.
>
>
> I'd say that be easy too, but most people don't change the subject,
> so for a subject line that says Moby's Honey, eventually turns into
> an episode from politically correct..
> and then you risk missing moby info when it does come on
>
>
>

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From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos
Date: 03 Feb 1999 15:53:03 -0700

i think this is a good idea.  i would **love** to do this, since video
is my future career, but i have no access to the needed TV equipment and
others to create the vision i had.  ::sigh!::  as soon as i finish
paying off my computer, i will install a video editor into it.  until
then, i'll just keep dreaming.

i may be able to convince the tv professor at my school to allow me into
his studio even though i haven't completed all the requirements that i
need before i can even touch a video camera here.  arg!  i guess i sound
like a druggie that needs a fix.. i dunno.  i'm half asleep right now,
so this may be jumbled.

anyways, maybe we should talk about this some more.  i know that there
are more video ppl out there...
plov

> Geoffrey Sproule wrote:
>
> why don't some people make music videos to go with moby songs and put
> them on a cd as avi format or mpg files it would make a great tribute
> CD if it was how people visioned moby songs
>
> they could also remix the song
>
> make it a complete mufti media experience
>
> (oh I guess moby has already done that with disk)
>
> but what's to stop the list putting together a fan video thinggy
>
> what do you think



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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:55:16 -0800 (PST)






---"M. Rice" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> >this list has gone far too boring, and i am too bored to read it
anymore..
>
>
> Then don't.  No one forces anyone to read anything.  Unsubscribe.
It's not
> hard.

Your wrong there I am forced to read and recieve a boat load of non
moby shit on a daily basis and could care less to read it its like
getting the Globe when I have the Times!!!!!


> >i don't really wanna even know your personal moby favourites or
something
> >like that. some point for the mails , please.
>
> This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what
is 'on
> topic,' certainly no one can doubt that personal Moby favorites are on
> topic.  This is a list of Moby fans talking about Moby and his music.


This point I tend to agree with if its moby its here if ya dont want
to know about moby then i would agree with leaving the list.

> >and other thing is that moby's music is ain't as good anymore as it
was
> >back in 92-95.. almost every new produtions are quite awful, i hate
to say
> >that, but i think so.
>
> Good, think it.  Not everyone will agree.

Now that was a stupid comment <think it....>, its people like you that
try to silence people not to hear a point of view. Show some maturity
please unless your 12!!!!

> >personally i have gone more for deep house and stuff like that. I
just love
> >that deep & mood chicago house, that is what good music should be.
i love
> >kevin yost, mood ii swing, wamdue kids, jori hulkkonen , glenn
underground
> >and artists like that. anyone else here who likes too?
>
>
> There is nothing that 'good' music should be.  What defines 'good'
music is
> a person's taste.  I think all of your favorite artists are
worthless shits.
> Besides, this is a Moby list, not a jori hilkkonen list, not even a
deep
> house list.  M-O-B-Y


One again we have an opion the doent compute with the shit bird
attituide of Mr. Fucking Rice, I have a suggestion why not let this
gentleman express his views with out telling him that every word he
writes is shit!
I think the the point that he might be trying to get across is that
this list has been lacking in content and filled with other mindless
shit!
I can now say this because i have tryed and gotten nowhere, so i wait
for good content.

> >moby's music is too "pop" for me nowdays.
>
>
> You sound like an underground kiddie that bitches whenever someone
else
> discovers an "underground" artist, or when an "underground" artist
gets a
> little radio play.
>
again you tell this kid to fuck off. I dont know why you cant take
your own good advice.

Because of shit like this people will start to jump ship and this list
will self destruct.
I would rather not see this happen.
Please show some love!
Peace
Bri

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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:58:16 -0800 (PST)






[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> Personal attacks?   Tim is the only one on this list
> with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.
>
>
> I, for one wasn't trying to get personal just stating my opinion.
> I'm sorry if you find it uninteligent but I am afraid I don't claim
> to be a MENSA member or anything but I still think I am permitted my
> own personal opinion.  I'm sorry if you misconstrued this as a
> personal attack.  It certainly wasn't intended as such.
>
> Ed
>
But does it belong on this list???????
Bri

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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos
Date: 03 Feb 1999 18:20:54 -0800

> anyways, maybe we should talk about this some more.  i know that there
> are more video ppl out there...
> plov
>

okay.
i guess i better stand up and get counted.

after seeing the everytime you touch me video for the first time i got
inspired.

the five year film program at simon frasier has been in the back of my mind
ever since.

yeah. so this could be cool.
either that or whoever wants to take part in this can tape a little thing
and if anything, i can edit it all together at my skool... and we can send
it to moby as another one of those "WE LOVE YOU MOBY!!" gifts.

but thats straying from the orignial idea.

-kelly



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From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) vegetarianism
Date: 03 Feb 1999 18:37:14 -0500

I think where vegetarianism is concerned, we should consider more what the
individual does that is positive, as opposed to totally disregarding that
and only focusing on the negative.  I don't like the bad vibes I get from
some vegans towards those who are not fully vegan.  I think any change in
the direction of vegetarianism/veganism is positive.  A majority of people
do not practise "cruelty free living" in any way at all, except for
practicality reasons, and for personal concerns such as their own health.
Vegetarians and Vegans should not (and I know it's not intentional, but it
does happen) be divided over orthodoxy and issues such as someone giving in
once a year to eating meat.  Most people lack the will to stop from eating
meat.  If even just one person can become vegetarian, at the stake of
eating one "steak" (forgive the pun) a year, I think it is a victory for
vegetarians and vegans alike, and we should not make them feel
like in some way they have failed.  It wasn't so long ago that I became
vegetarian, and took much will and patience.. my first few attempts were
unsuccessful at cutting meat out.  But no-one criticized me that I had
failed, or perhaps I would have just given up, feeling that I could never
achieve vegetarian/veganism like them.  I was instead reminded of all the
positive changes I had made, which strengthened my resolve the next time I
attempted it.  Perhaps, one day, I will be strictly vegan, but I will do so
at my own choice, and at a time that is right for me.  Until then, I do the
best I can given some of the issues I face.  All ideas start small, and
take form gradually until they are something beautiful and realised.  It is
amazing how just one decision can have such a gigantic impact on the rest
of our lives.

Until later, flame me as you wish, because I practise different ideals and
values, but I would have to say that it would be quite ironic for anyone
who so wants to abolish suffering to launch an all out personal attack on
me.

It's the little details that compose the larger picture...
We all see the artwork through different lenses...
Just as no two snowflakes are the same,
No two people are the same,
And the consequences if we were all to be the same,
Would be catastrophic.

Live, feel, learn, grow
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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) So... Where you from?
Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:54:50 +0900

well. I just sat through the mostboring 30 minutes of my life. I got maybe 40
emails from Mobility in a time span fom 3 in the morning to 9 in the morning.
Only 6 hours.  Yet, they weren't about shit. Oh well. I love you guys anyway.

    So. I got a question. Is there anyone on this list of like 300 people (3
historians, 6 surveyers, 4 vegitarians, 30 complainers, and 200 lurkers) that
doesn't live in North America or Western Europe? For example, anything south
of Florida or west or California or east or say france? I was wondering if
there are like 35 Slovakian lurkers or something. Or maybe another Moby fan in
Japan? Or Australia? They speak English there. Anyone? Later.
AJ



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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #322
Date: 03 Feb 1999 19:32:44 PST

>SUBJECT?  what is so hard about pressing the delete button before you
are so
>horribly impeded upon?

I never said I was impeded upon. I just thought you might want to bring
the disscussion back around to something remotely Moby related.

No one is making you read buddy!  I pressed the
>delete button many a-times when that long ass survey was going on but I
>never complained once!  Jesus christ.

Why are you so defensive? If you read my post, I think I made my point
in a somewhat gentle manner (maybe sarcastic, but certainly not
threatening enough to incite such a reaction)

>Personal attacks?  My how mature you are.  Tim is the only one on this
list
>with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.

It wasn't a personal attack at all but you responded with one. If Tim is
the only one on this list with enough brains to at least respond in an
intelligent manner then why don't you e-mail him privately, hmmm? Maybe
it's better, nee?

And if you
>had been infact reading my comments instead of demonizing them for me,
you
>would realize that I am as far from Rush as I am from modern
liberalism.

I read your comments. All of them. And I didn't demonize them.  In fact,
I said,

  It's great you express your views and I'm intrigued enough to
>>respond but please tell us more about your Moby-subway experience
>>instead...

So, don't start a war with me.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:43:53 -0800



On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:31:09 -0800 "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
writes:

>and you can't expect EVERYONE to be willing to give up EVERYTHING. its
>a nice thought, everyone on the face of the planet going vegan... but
>its not a realistic goal now, is it? personally, i'd rather say "good
for
>you! you've stopped eating meat! i'm glad you found something that makes

>you happy". instead of "shame on you!  put down that cheese pizza! tisk
>tisk tisk... did you know a cow was forcibly impregnated to provide the
>milk for that cheese? here, have some tofu instead".  it just won't work
that
>way...  you can't guilt people into doing something they don't want to
do.
>people need to find their comfort zone.  their "happy medium".  at least

>they're doing SOMETHING.
>


You know, about an hour ago I had a lot to say about this topic.  Then I
hashed it over with my roommate, a fellow vegan, to make sure that I
wasn't out of line.  So I've been discussing ethical
vegetarianism/veganism, conversion tactics, vegetarian/vegan "support
systems", etc. for far too long and Idon't have so much to say now.

But I suppose I still have it left in me to refute some statements that
you made.
I'm not trying to save the world. I don't expect the world to go vegan.
But I'm not going to back down on my priciples and say, "yeah, it's okay
with me if you eat meat/hate blacks/beat your wife if that's what makes
you happy."  (props to kathleen hannah... it's all the same thing.)  I
used to be the sort of vegetarian who when at a dinner table full of
animal-eaters would laugh at their vegetarian jokes and say whatever
necessary to make them feel comfortable in my presence.  And I think that
this isn't what I mean... ugh.  Well, it's like this: Paul is vegetarian
now and that is a beautiful thing.  Truly.  (I don't support him any less
because he's vegetarian, not vegan.)  But rather than discouraging people
by making veganism seem insignificant, as I feel your answer to him did,
we should act with a positive attitude towards the lifestyle choices
we've made ourselves.  We need to encourage others, and never concede to
the attitude that vegetarianism or veganism is just plain impossible for
some people to achieve.

morgan.
(anything that we love can be saved)
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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #325
Date: 03 Feb 1999 23:02:58 PST


>    So. I got a question.  I was wondering if
>there are like 35 Slovakian lurkers or something. Or maybe another Moby
fan in
>Japan? Or Australia? They speak English there. Anyone? Later.
>AJ

Well, my girlfriend, also a Moby fan, is from Miyazaki. Maybe you've
heard of it?  On kyuushu.  Mellow town, relatively speaking.  In fact,
she's flying home for a one month vacation as I write this.  Are you in
Tokyo (I thought I remember you saying you were living there now)?

QUESTION FOR THE LIST: how many times have you seen Moby live?  What was
your favorite incarnation? (ie: disco phase or guitar phase...)

I must say seeing Moby for the first time in 1994 was amazing.
"Thousand" at the end of the set was stunning, to say the least.

See ya...

--a

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) UGH.  ...and a survey.
Date: 04 Feb 1999 01:47:17 -0700


Holly SHIT,

I'm worn out from trying to catch up with all of the posts that have
come through as of late.  And no, I don't have the choice of deleting
everything with an "@" sign.  It's good to see that the history thread
is over.  I would have acted more quickly had it not been for other
responsibilities (sorry).  Sadly, I don't think people realize how many
members have *unsubscribed* today because of that discussion and the
hard feelings that came with it.  =(

But it's over, so I expect the bitterness to be over too.

And moving on...


> 1)  Do you like Moby?
  Yeppers.  But some of his views/statements have upset me at times.
> 2)  Which album is your favourite?
  "Everything Is Wrong" (then The End Of Everything)
> 3)  Which single is your favourite?
  Ooh that's a hard choice... Hymn, Why Can't It Stop, Move, Honey.
> 4)  Which song is your favourite?
  "First Cool Hive" comes to mind and "Drug Fits The Face"
> 5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
  Other than the "me" thing... Moby, Andy Bell, Vincent Clark, Peter
  Rauhofer... and as for a woman?  How about Bjork or Sinead O'Conner
  (though her life's turmoil would be hard to handle, crazy choices ay!)
> 6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
  Shaved bald
> 7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
  Hopefully this summer.
> 8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
  Just one, Kizzey (female black lab), but that was years ago.  =(
> 9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
  England! (and it's gonna happen on day, it must)
> 10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
   Black as of late.
> 11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
  I'm gonna play 2K/KLF's "F**K the millennium" just like Jake and
  I'm going to continue to party like it's 1999.  No stopping here!
> 12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
  Back in Utah, but who knows where between that time.  =)
> 13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
  No need to get cranky over a question guys, but sumpin clear is nice.
> 14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
  Talking during movies is a good one & negativity.
> 15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
  I thought buried but maybe cremation is a good idea?
> 16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
  Whatever my mom cooks, she's great at that stuff.

thanks for the survey Jen!


Damian
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From: Samu Heinonen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 04 Feb 1999 10:51:14 +0200

At 14:55 3.2.1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>---"M. Rice" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >this list has gone far too boring, and i am too bored to read it
>anymore..
>>
>>
>> Then don't.  No one forces anyone to read anything.  Unsubscribe.
>It's not
>> hard.
>
>Your wrong there I am forced to read and recieve a boat load of non
>moby shit on a daily basis and could care less to read it its like
>getting the Globe when I have the Times!!!!!
>
>
>> >i don't really wanna even know your personal moby favourites or
>something
>> >like that. some point for the mails , please.
>>
>> This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what
>is 'on
>> topic,' certainly no one can doubt that personal Moby favorites are on
>> topic.  This is a list of Moby fans talking about Moby and his music.
>
>
>This point I tend to agree with if its moby its here if ya dont want
>to know about moby then i would agree with leaving the list.
>
>> >and other thing is that moby's music is ain't as good anymore as it
>was
>> >back in 92-95.. almost every new produtions are quite awful, i hate
>to say
>> >that, but i think so.
>>
>> Good, think it.  Not everyone will agree.
>
>Now that was a stupid comment <think it....>, its people like you that
>try to silence people not to hear a point of view. Show some maturity
>please unless your 12!!!!
>
>> >personally i have gone more for deep house and stuff like that. I
>just love
>> >that deep & mood chicago house, that is what good music should be.
>i love
>> >kevin yost, mood ii swing, wamdue kids, jori hulkkonen , glenn
>underground
>> >and artists like that. anyone else here who likes too?
>>
>>
>> There is nothing that 'good' music should be.  What defines 'good'
>music is
>> a person's taste.  I think all of your favorite artists are
>worthless shits.
>> Besides, this is a Moby list, not a jori hilkkonen list, not even a
>deep
>> house list.  M-O-B-Y
>
>
>One again we have an opion the doent compute with the shit bird
>attituide of Mr. Fucking Rice, I have a suggestion why not let this
>gentleman express his views with out telling him that every word he
>writes is shit!
>I think the the point that he might be trying to get across is that
>this list has been lacking in content and filled with other mindless
>shit!
>I can now say this because i have tryed and gotten nowhere, so i wait
>for good content.
>
>> >moby's music is too "pop" for me nowdays.
>>
>>
>> You sound like an underground kiddie that bitches whenever someone
>else
>> discovers an "underground" artist, or when an "underground" artist
>gets a
>> little radio play.
>>
>again you tell this kid to fuck off. I dont know why you cant take
>your own good advice.
>
>Because of shit like this people will start to jump ship and this list
>will self destruct.
>I would rather not see this happen.
>Please show some love!
>Peace
>Bri
>
i just like to say that i am underground kid and i prefer underground deep
house and jungle music.. i just said what i liked to say about Moby's new
productions..
Moby is still one of my favourite artists, but i don't like those
directions where he is moving his music. i didn't like animal rights and i
like to score... i am expecting more from his new album "play"   and i hope
that is better than 2 last albums.
i just like to say that you .. that guy who claimed me that i am
"underground kiddie" .. or something like that. you are little bit stupid
when you get angry when i say something about Moby's new directions, that
was just my own opinion. i hope you dont get pissed off..
i like also lot of pop music.. i like artists like dubstar , beastie boys,
pet shop boys and that. but mainly my interrestes are on deep house and
jungle music..
Moby's new production's just sound like "kiddie rave pop" to my ear, it's
kind of awful listen those Moby's new stuff after you have chilled out with
new kevin yost production..
and.. there are no good and no bad music. there are just music.
     -Samu Heinonen-
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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #325
Date: 05 Feb 1999 18:00:56 +0900

Yea, I am in Tokyo now. And I don't know about the techno "scene" but the
music here is much more avaiable than in America. I have picked up so much
stuff that I would have only been able to find on the internet for 5 times the
price. And I am in the process of giving all of my japanese friends Moby so
that I can come back for my junior year in colleg in 2.5 years and have
everyone talking about Moby.... Maybe. But, I don't know Miyazaki, but of
course I know Kyushu. Anyway, you are lucky to have a japanese girlfriend.
    So, is there anyoe actually on thise list from somewhere more exotic than say
Vancouver? Later.
AJ

Android M wrote:
>
> >       So. I got a question.  I was wondering if
> >there are like 35 Slovakian lurkers or something. Or maybe another Moby
> fan in
> >Japan? Or Australia? They speak English there. Anyone? Later.
> >AJ
>
> Well, my girlfriend, also a Moby fan, is from Miyazaki. Maybe you've
> heard of it?  On kyuushu.  Mellow town, relatively speaking.  In fact,
> she's flying home for a one month vacation as I write this.  Are you in
> Tokyo (I thought I remember you saying you were living there now)?
>
> QUESTION FOR THE LIST: how many times have you seen Moby live?  What was
> your favorite incarnation? (ie: disco phase or guitar phase...)
>
> I must say seeing Moby for the first time in 1994 was amazing.
> "Thousand" at the end of the set was stunning, to say the least.
>
> See ya...
>
> --a
>
> np: negativland: a big 10-8 place
>
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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Goldie
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:16:24 +0000 (GMT)

Okay Moby militia, how about Goldie?

TMB

On 3 Feb 99 15:40:56 CST **** <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >>goldie"s saturnz return, a double cd. i guess i'm lucky enough to work
> >>  for
> >>best buy and have friends at rolling stones and tower.
> >>andrew
>
> >  I paid 7 bucks for it used. Despite the media wrestling with it, I
> > thought it was fabulous. Made me even more of a fan. Saying it wasn't
> >DnB is a total piece of crap, seeing as how it sounded enough like it
> >for me.
>
> >  d...
>
> i agree....  Goldie got such a bum rap after this album... in my opinion, it
> was the best album of the year.   (of ANY style of music). i can't believe the
> bad reaction that "digital" got when it was released.  that song is so
> great... not to mention a daring fusion of 2 different styles of music:  rap &
> drum n bass.
>
> Goldie has guts...  one thing that i really admire about him and Metalheadz is
> their refusal to get locked in and held down by trying to fit into the drum n
> bass "scene."  they don't care what everyone else is doing; if they want to
> make a drum n bass song then they will, but if they don't, then they don't.
> they have the courage to do this.
>
> here's a page with all my favorite albums from 1998:  (please excuse the
> non-loading images... my webspace crashed.)
> [ http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~jwsingle/98.htm ]   :)
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
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>
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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) boring
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:51:56 +0000 (GMT)

Yes Bri let's have some love and understanding and a bit of
forgiveness and all that shit! Alright I think the
so-called 'history lesson' is over and everyone still wants
to bitch about it and each other. We're all ending up being
hypocrites - so let's just shut-up and try and be nice
(God I hate that word, fucking NICE!).

Let's forget it and start again and try to live in a
peaceful, caring and considerate community, shall we?

Peace,

T.


On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:55:16 -0800 (PST) BRIAN HOVEY
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> ---"M. Rice" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >this list has gone far too boring, and i am too bored to read it
> anymore..
> >
> >
> > Then don't.  No one forces anyone to read anything.  Unsubscribe.
> It's not
> > hard.
>
> Your wrong there I am forced to read and recieve a boat load of non
> moby shit on a daily basis and could care less to read it its like
> getting the Globe when I have the Times!!!!!
>
>
> > >i don't really wanna even know your personal moby favourites or
> something
> > >like that. some point for the mails , please.
> >
> > This is a Moby list.  In spite of arguments on the list about what
> is 'on
> > topic,' certainly no one can doubt that personal Moby favorites are on
> > topic.  This is a list of Moby fans talking about Moby and his music.
>
>
> This point I tend to agree with if its moby its here if ya dont want
> to know about moby then i would agree with leaving the list.
>
> > >and other thing is that moby's music is ain't as good anymore as it
> was
> > >back in 92-95.. almost every new produtions are quite awful, i hate
> to say
> > >that, but i think so.
> >
> > Good, think it.  Not everyone will agree.
>
> Now that was a stupid comment <think it....>, its people like you that
> try to silence people not to hear a point of view. Show some maturity
> please unless your 12!!!!
>
> > >personally i have gone more for deep house and stuff like that. I
> just love
> > >that deep & mood chicago house, that is what good music should be.
> i love
> > >kevin yost, mood ii swing, wamdue kids, jori hulkkonen , glenn
> underground
> > >and artists like that. anyone else here who likes too?
> >
> >
> > There is nothing that 'good' music should be.  What defines 'good'
> music is
> > a person's taste.  I think all of your favorite artists are
> worthless shits.
> > Besides, this is a Moby list, not a jori hilkkonen list, not even a
> deep
> > house list.  M-O-B-Y
>
>
> One again we have an opion the doent compute with the shit bird
> attituide of Mr. Fucking Rice, I have a suggestion why not let this
> gentleman express his views with out telling him that every word he
> writes is shit!
> I think the the point that he might be trying to get across is that
> this list has been lacking in content and filled with other mindless
> shit!
> I can now say this because i have tryed and gotten nowhere, so i wait
> for good content.
>
> > >moby's music is too "pop" for me nowdays.
> >
> >
> > You sound like an underground kiddie that bitches whenever someone
> else
> > discovers an "underground" artist, or when an "underground" artist
> gets a
> > little radio play.
> >
> again you tell this kid to fuck off. I dont know why you cant take
> your own good advice.
>
> Because of shit like this people will start to jump ship and this list
> will self destruct.
> I would rather not see this happen.
> Please show some love!
> Peace
> Bri
>
> ==
> "How can I save you, I cant even save myself,
>  ....so just save yourself!!!"
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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>
>

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From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) breath of fresh air
Date: 04 Feb 1999 09:39:39 -0700

Steve Giles wrote:
>
> One of my sister's friends claims that he has a sampler disc with a 1:30
> snippet of a remix of NIN's Hurt which is credited to Reznor/Bowie/Moby.
> I won't beleive it until I see it. Can anybody shed some light?
> Production credit, maybe, not remix? I've never heard anything about
> this before, but he says the sampler was made to test remix ideas and
> see if they should go ahead and purchase/produce them. He used to work
> for Sony/Jam!.

I haven't heard anything of this, but it would be nice to know if it's
true or not.  The Sony/Jam! (Germany) label is what Jam & Spoon normally
release their material on.  I think it's partly owned by one of them.
Great review of the "Stella" single and Moby's remixes Steve!  Here are
the releases I own:


"Tales From A Danceographic Ocean Remixes":

All tracks written & produced by Jam El Mar & Mark Spoon.

CDS: 1992 BE (R&S: RS 9208CD) [Plain yellow cover with thin stencil
artwork of flowers and butterflies centered on the sleeve]

  06:37  Stella (Barracuda Mix)
  06:22  Stella (Original Mix)
  05:44  Stella (Electro Mix)
  10:47  Stella (Jam & Spoon Mix)
  07:52  Stella (The Lost Bet Mix)
  07:23  My First Fantastic Fist F...
  06:00  Keep on Movin'

 Tracks 1+3 remixed by Moby
 Track 5 remixed by Frank De Wulf


"Stella":

CDS: 1996 BE/AT (R&S: RS 9203CD) [new artwork]

  06:21  Stella (Original Mix)
  06:37  Stella (Barracuda Mix)
  05:43  Stella (Electro Mix)

 Tracks 2+3 remixed by Moby



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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #325
Date: 04 Feb 1999 09:04:08 -0800 (PST)






---Android M <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> QUESTION FOR THE LIST: how many times have you seen Moby live?  What
was
> your favorite incarnation? (ie: disco phase or guitar phase...)
>

I have seen Moby 6 times. I cant really say which one was my fav. I
love the disco stuff and you can rage to the rock stuff. I have seen
him dj 2 times also and that was cool and all but seeing him perform
and being in a sea of people that love this man and his music is
amazing!!!!
If you get the chance to meet the little guy he is very hummble and
quiet.
till then.......
Peace
Bri
==
"How can I save you, I cant even save myself,
 ....so just save yourself!!!"


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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #325
Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:27:36 +0000 (GMT)


On
>
> ---Android M <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > QUESTION FOR THE LIST: how many times have you seen Moby live?  What
> was
> > your favorite incarnation? (ie: disco phase or guitar phase...)
> >
>
> I've seen him once and preferred his guitar-based stuff.

I also like his ambient from Little Idiot, but not that
keen on THE 'Ambient' album or on all his piano stuff
(piano overkill and done to death before) on EIW evil ninja
remixes. Prefer the red disc to the blue (and that's not
because of political bias!).

I've been spayed, if you haven't noticed, by the way.

T.
>
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #325
Date: 04 Feb 1999 19:06:12 +0000


> QUESTION FOR THE LIST: how many times have you seen Moby live?  What was
> your favorite incarnation? (ie: disco phase or guitar phase...)
>
> I must say seeing Moby for the first time in 1994 was amazing.
> "Thousand" at the end of the set was stunning, to say the least.
>


Thousand was the highlight the 1st time I saw him.  Then I saw him in
an inbetween stage and 1st heard 'That when I reach for my Revolver'
Then I saw him in complete guitar mode and I think either 'Come on
Baby' or his kind of country version of 'When it's cold I'd like to
die.'

Ed



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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) survey
Date: 04 Feb 1999 15:58:53 -0800 (PST)

hey dudes its my first anniversary of posting to the list for the
first time ever! wel it was a few days ago. i think. check the archives.






> > 1)  Do you like Moby?
no. i LOOOOOOOOVE MOBY!!!!!! (im surprised nobody said that. it was
the closest thing to original i could think of.)
> > 2)  Which album is your favourite?
EIW, with AR/LI second.
> > 3)  Which single is your favourite?
i dont know, maybe revolver black?  or honey?
> > 4)  Which song is your favourite?
uh......slight return is one, well theres many. ill just leave it at
that. slight return.
> > 5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
someone who lives in between new york city and WPKN, so i could go to
both places often
> > 6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
>   Shaved bald
righty o
> > 7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
>   Hopefully this summer.
yeah.
> > 8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
guinea pigs!!!! buddy  (the albino) is mine. tribble is younger. he
was sick a few days ago, but hes getting better :) blacky is older
than both of them, shes mostly black fur. katy, their mom, is dead,
r.i.p. i had a bird named tweety, a long time ago, like when i was
first born. it died when i was 5. we also have a fish, sushi, whos
dying. :(
> > 9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
WPKN, New York City, or a rave 5 years ago (or so) in england (or
somewhere)
> > 10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
simple white
> > 11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
y2k will be a minor disaster, but the world wont end. how could it?
> > 12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
between WPKN and new york, where else
> > 13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
whatever
> > 14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
i dont know, is that like a guilty pleasure? KLF might be that
> > 15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
uh......well see i will be famous when i die, so id have myself
cremated and give my adoring fans the ashes, in forms of little
crystals they can put on their mantels
> > 16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?big and chocolatey
> thanks for the survey Jen!
yeah thanks!
>

stop the politics. no politics on the dance floor.

goldie rules! but stop talking about him. wanna know why? check the
archives, like march or so last year, look for me. bye.
==
"look at all these crescent fresh skulls in my salad!!!"
-sifl & olly show
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Morrissey
Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:58:40 CST




>>
>Yeah, but Morrissey is a prick - The Smiths produced some
>brilliant tunes though (note the Smiths and NOT just
>Morrissey!).
>>
>>
______________________________________________________



      True. In most every interview I've read with him, he comes off as
a serious asshole. He did a show in St. Louis last year and then totally
trashed the place. (The show only lasted an hour, too. I'm probably
lucky I didn't go.)

      d...

     And his music is dropping off, too. I don't even have his new
album, yet.

   Another  coincidence: His new album is called 'My Early Burglary
Years'. The initials are MEBY, just one letter off MOBY. Strange, huh?



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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: (mobility Morrissey
Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:58:33 CST




>>
>Yeah, but Morrissey is a prick - The Smiths produced some
>brilliant tunes though (note the Smiths and NOT just
>Morrissey!).
>>
>>
______________________________________________________



      True. In most every interview I've read with him, he comes off as
a serious asshole. He did a show in St. Louis last year and then totally
trashed the place. (The show only lasted an hour, too. I'm probably
lucky I didn't go.)

      d...

     And his music is dropping off, too. I don't even have his new
album, yet.

   Another  coincidence: His new album is called 'My Early Burglary
Years'. The initials are MEBY, just one letter off MOBY. Strange, huh?



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From: "Jon Gage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby & Trent
Date: 04 Feb 1999 12:28:23 -0500

>> snippet of a remix of NIN's Hurt which is credited to Reznor/Bowie/Moby.


As *much* as I'd like to believe it (150+ discs between nin/Moby) I don't
think it's true.  There probably would've been something in the press about
such a collaboration.

It would be fantastic though-Moby's song structure with Trent's production
genius....




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From: Nolan Liang <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) HELLO!!
Date: 04 Feb 1999 20:39:03 -0800 (PST)

I LIKE MOBEY ALOT!  WE HERE MOBEY MUSIC NOT MUCH WE LIKE TO.  I HOPE
TO BE GOOD FREINDS WITH YOU.
==

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From: "Daniel Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) HELLO!!, Thanks 2, and Controversy
Date: 04 Feb 1999 22:11:00 PST

>Nolan Liang
>[e-mail]

>I LIKE MOBEY ALOT!  WE HERE MOBEY MUSIC NOT MUCH WE LIKE TO.  I HOPE
>TO BE GOOD FREINDS WITH YOU.



            Huh?


I hope to be good friends with you too, Yoda.

Anyway, I just finished my entry for Thanks 2 and I'll be mailing it off
ASAP, Greg. You'll have it soon.
    Just if anyone's interested, my Thanks 2 track is a remix of "Go".
I call it "Go (the Exodus mix)".
A quick rundown without giving anything away: Some samples from "Twin
Peaks: Fire Walk With Me", some vocals by yours truly, and a brief,
simple-but-effective keyboard bridge also by me.

I'm sorry to hear that people were unsubscribing because of a
controversial discussion. It does kind of bother me when we get off
topic and start talking about shoes, but when the discussion turns to
something like a historical debate or debating vegetarianism, I get
really interested. Times like those the list touches on what is truly
amazing about the Internet: that our group of quasi-penpals, most of
whom live oceans apart from each other, can carry on intense,
fascinating, and intelligent debates with each other and not even think
twice about it.
I always forget that some members of this list live in England and so
on. To me, you all seem like next door neighbors, and I love that. It
puts me in total awe.

Personally, I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian for 3 reasons:
    1) ethics
    2) health
    3) the fact that meat is a symbol of male dominance and female
disempowerment. (I recommend a book entitled "The Sexual Politics of
Meat" by Carol J. Adams.)

I am an agnostic, but I find I spend a surprising amount of time
defending the importance of faith. Be that as it may, I am not someone
who believes that there must be a God. Therefore, we being creatures of
short lives and self-examinable consciousness, we develop our moral and
ethical centers with our own inner peace in mind. Some of us pitch our
ethical posts in the soil of right-wing conservatism. My post is very
far from that, but definitely not left-wing extremism by any means
whatsoever.
I do believe, though, that it is up to us to find our own inner peace,
and our own being with the people (human and non-human) that inhabit the
world around us. We do what we can, what we feel we must in order to
achieve that calm, some sense that we have meaning, that we have a
cause.
    It is different for everyone. Some of you will disagree. And there you
have it.
I love you guys.

Peace,

Dan Lee



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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) HELLO!!
Date: 06 Feb 1999 17:36:19 +0900

Thank you for this email, Nolan. It was by far the most ammusing one I have
gotten from Moby this week. It was short and sweet, yet for some reason it
took me longer to read this one than thouse novels on history 2 days ago.
Anyway, I think we found someone not from America! China? Hong Kong? Mobility
is expanding even though half of the American forces are dropping out. Oh
well. Later.
AJ

Nolan Liang wrote:
>
> I LIKE MOBEY ALOT!  WE HERE MOBEY MUSIC NOT MUCH WE LIKE TO.  I HOPE
> TO BE GOOD FREINDS WITH YOU.
> ==
>
> ---------------------
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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) HELLO!!, Thanks 2, and Controversy
Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:39:35 +0000 (GMT)

Thanks for your views Dan, I really appreciated them. Yep,
no one's perfect and no one will ever always agree, but if
we can all compromise and try to find a balance then that's
progress.

I just get wound up about things sometimes and can't stop,
but hey, I said I wouldn't talk about certain issues
anymore, so I'm going to stick to that.

Tim.

On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:11:00 PST Daniel Lee
<[e-mail]> wrote:


>
> I'm sorry to hear that people were unsubscribing because of a
> controversial discussion. It does kind of bother me when we get off
> topic and start talking about shoes, but when the discussion turns to
> something like a historical debate or debating vegetarianism, I get
> really interested. Times like those the list touches on what is truly
> amazing about the Internet: that our group of quasi-penpals, most of
> whom live oceans apart from each other, can carry on intense,
> fascinating, and intelligent debates with each other and not even think
> twice about it.
> I always forget that some members of this list live in England and so
> on. To me, you all seem like next door neighbors, and I love that. It
> puts me in total awe.
>
> Personally, I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian for 3 reasons:
>     1) ethics
>     2) health
>     3) the fact that meat is a symbol of male dominance and female
> disempowerment. (I recommend a book entitled "The Sexual Politics of
> Meat" by Carol J. Adams.)
>
> I am an agnostic, but I find I spend a surprising amount of time
> defending the importance of faith. Be that as it may, I am not someone
> who believes that there must be a God. Therefore, we being creatures of
> short lives and self-examinable consciousness, we develop our moral and
> ethical centers with our own inner peace in mind. Some of us pitch our
> ethical posts in the soil of right-wing conservatism. My post is very
> far from that, but definitely not left-wing extremism by any means
> whatsoever.
> I do believe, though, that it is up to us to find our own inner peace,
> and our own being with the people (human and non-human) that inhabit the
> world around us. We do what we can, what we feel we must in order to
> achieve that calm, some sense that we have meaning, that we have a
> cause.
>     It is different for everyone. Some of you will disagree. And there you
> have it.
> I love you guys.
>
> Peace,
>
> Dan Lee
>
>
>
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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)@@ evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 05 Feb 1999 03:59:22 -0800

First I'd like to say thanks to kelbert, morgan and tim for the
encouraging words and great outlook on the whole issue.

I'd like to make it clear that this was NOT a moral decision,
and I'm not going to pretend it was- so the lecures on morality
and integrity seem ridiculous (talk to the hand)

I see many things wrong with the way in which the meat and dairy
industry do things and I agree that things should not be that way
and generally boycotting the products is a good way to try to make
yourself feel like you are making a difference, but fundamentally
I don't have a problem with eating flesh and I think that it is a
natural thing to happen, we are- as humans- designed to be omnivores.
I love animals, but if my survival depended on it I would certainly
kill a chicken. Let me explain a few things about the way I see it...

It is mostly nature itself which convinces me that predators have a right
to exist just as much as non-violent herbivores. After all what do you
propose we do with cats and dogs? Get rid of them? Because they count on
US for their food and they absolutely could not survive as vegans.
Funny thing, the two dogs in my family are surprisingly positive about
eating veggies. But they could not ever survive on veggies and grains alone,
thier bodies are designed to injest meat. I feed my cats peas and corn now
and then, and some of them eat some of it, but not much...the dogs however
can eat full bowls of raw veggies! They are not quite normal, they will also
eat the horse's food if I give it to them and they will beg for garlic!

Anyway, I de-sensitised myself to the natural order of predator and prey
by having 2 buramese pythons as pets for a couple years. If you think your
slaughterhouse footage would shock me you are most likely wrong, it is often
wrong and inhumane treatment, but the violence and horror of a python eating
an innocent bunny wabbit right before your very eyes can be just as graphic.
I've seen eyeballs pop out, blood squirt all over the cage and listened to
many rabbit's scream bloody murder (yes, rabbit's really do scream)

Here is the thing- the snakes would certainly die if it did not have live prey
to feast upon. Snakes eat zero percent veggies or plant life. In fact they won't
even touch a meal unless it is alive and they kill it themselves.
These snakes are powerful, I have been bitten so I can tell you they can crush
bones with the power of their jaws. They were fed smaller things like mice and
rats when they were younger, but when they were at a length of eight feet
feeding
them rats would have been a daily thing, and in nature they would have certainly
been eating larger prey. It was sad buying rabbits knowing they would die,
I nearly cried many times but I got over it because I had to. I learned alot
about nature with these snakes and I see things differently because of it I'm
sure.
I have a hundred snake stories, but I'll spare you sensitrive types any more
horror.

I don't think eating flesh in itself it an issue of right or wrong. I support
anyone
who does not eat meat for moral reasons, but I'm not going to listen to any
rants
about how they are right and I am wrong- that is like arguing about religion.
I can't help but think what would happen if the militant vegans of the world
somehow gained power making meat an illegal criminal offense like alcohol was
during prohibition. If you think that's a good idea then check your head because
that's going way to far ok?

My theory on why humans are not herbivores: winter.

In order to survive the winter when no vegatation is growing humans had to adapt
to eat meat to survive the ice age. If you were trapped in the mountains of
Alaska
for the winter and let's say some raccoons ate all of your dried veggies and
grains,
you would die unless you hunted an animal and ate it. When it comes down to that
if you are willing to die for it, then you are hard core totally moral.
I would eat the damn rabbit myself.

Look at the movie "Alive". It's not just any movie, there is a deeper story
behind that and I can nearly think about it every day and not be sure what is
right and what is wrong, but just like those people I believe I would choose
the same thing they did which was to stay ALIVE. Maybe reflect on it and think
about
how wrong it was or something, but alive none the less. Starvation must be
one of the worst possible ways to die, the torture getting worse everyday. If
you
had a way out, after a few days or a week you would certainly take it.
Vegans, if you had a gun maybe that would be the easy way out for you to
spare your conscience- but if not I don't think many humans could endure the
torture of starving to death.

People are weird. For instance I have a friend who will rant on forever about
how zoos are evil and animals should never be kept in captivity, all the while
he has no problem with taking a gun and shooting a deer or moose hunting.
whatever, you can't make everyone happy!

I wish I could try to elaborate more, but this has been enough for me!
I feed my cats food with animal products in it everyday, so having prime
rib a couple times a year isn't going to plague my conscience.

I did it because I want to be as healthy as possible and I have not had any
problems
at all with craving meat. I don't miss it at all and not because I hate it,
I just don't notice it not being there- it's no problem. I thought it would be
very hard.

Disclaimer: I know at least ten vegans and I'm not ignorant on any of the
issues here, I just have a different feeling on the whole thing.
My father recently became fully vegan and it saved his life, he was diebetic
before the change and now he's fine! This certainly had an impact on me,
mostly "if he could do it, I CERTAINLY could"
My girfriend (might as well be wife) is cutting out most meat, but not like me
so that's hard to deal with, but it's going ok because she only eats meat
with lunch at work when I'm not around, we have vegitarian meals for dinner.

Also, I have been into herbal supplements for many years and have found
alot of positive reactions from certain herbs. So far after 33 days of
being veggie I can say I feel much healthier than before. Now I just need
to get more exercise!

now that is a post, eh?
paul

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:31:09 -0800 "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
> writes:
>
> >and you can't expect EVERYONE to be willing to give up EVERYTHING. its
> >a nice thought, everyone on the face of the planet going vegan... but
> >its not a realistic goal now, is it? personally, i'd rather say "good
> for
> >you! you've stopped eating meat! i'm glad you found something that makes
>
> >you happy". instead of "shame on you!  put down that cheese pizza! tisk
> >tisk tisk... did you know a cow was forcibly impregnated to provide the
> >milk for that cheese? here, have some tofu instead".  it just won't work
> that
> >way...  you can't guilt people into doing something they don't want to
> do.
> >people need to find their comfort zone.  their "happy medium".  at least
>
> >they're doing SOMETHING.
> >
>
> You know, about an hour ago I had a lot to say about this topic.  Then I
> hashed it over with my roommate, a fellow vegan, to make sure that I
> wasn't out of line.  So I've been discussing ethical
> vegetarianism/veganism, conversion tactics, vegetarian/vegan "support
> systems", etc. for far too long and Idon't have so much to say now.
>
> But I suppose I still have it left in me to refute some statements that
> you made.
> I'm not trying to save the world. I don't expect the world to go vegan.
> But I'm not going to back down on my priciples and say, "yeah, it's okay
> with me if you eat meat/hate blacks/beat your wife if that's what makes
> you happy."  (props to kathleen hannah... it's all the same thing.)  I
> used to be the sort of vegetarian who when at a dinner table full of
> animal-eaters would laugh at their vegetarian jokes and say whatever
> necessary to make them feel comfortable in my presence.  And I think that
> this isn't what I mean... ugh.  Well, it's like this: Paul is vegetarian
> now and that is a beautiful thing.  Truly.  (I don't support him any less
> because he's vegetarian, not vegan.)  But rather than discouraging people
> by making veganism seem insignificant, as I feel your answer to him did,
> we should act with a positive attitude towards the lifestyle choices
> we've made ourselves.  We need to encourage others, and never concede to
> the attitude that vegetarianism or veganism is just plain impossible for
> some people to achieve.
>
> morgan.
> (anything that we love can be saved)
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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)@@ evil ninja moby the non-vegan
Date: 05 Feb 1999 13:59:14 +0000 (GMT)

Your sentiments on this issue, are mine exactly -
technically I'm not a vegetarian. However, I don't HAVE to
inflict cruelty, by killing anything to survive, so I don't
buy or eat meat. Shit! I forgot, I'm not supposed to
mention it. Okay I'm learning, I've stopped myself! I'll
reply privately to these issues myself. However, I've no
problem with others openly discussing this, but others on
this list may have!? I refrain.

Good points though Paul.

TMB

On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 03:59:22 -0800 "Dr. Killpatient"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> First I'd like to say thanks to kelbert, morgan and tim for the
> encouraging words and great outlook on the whole issue.
>
> I'd like to make it clear that this was NOT a moral decision,
> and I'm not going to pretend it was- so the lecures on morality
> and integrity seem ridiculous (talk to the hand)
>
> I see many things wrong with the way in which the meat and dairy
> industry do things and I agree that things should not be that way
> and generally boycotting the products is a good way to try to make
> yourself feel like you are making a difference, but fundamentally
> I don't have a problem with eating flesh and I think that it is a
> natural thing to happen, we are- as humans- designed to be omnivores.
> I love animals, but if my survival depended on it I would certainly
> kill a chicken. Let me explain a few things about the way I see it...
>
> It is mostly nature itself which convinces me that predators have a right
> to exist just as much as non-violent herbivores. After all what do you
> propose we do with cats and dogs? Get rid of them? Because they count on
> US for their food and they absolutely could not survive as vegans.
> Funny thing, the two dogs in my family are surprisingly positive about
> eating veggies. But they could not ever survive on veggies and grains alone,
> thier bodies are designed to injest meat. I feed my cats peas and corn now
> and then, and some of them eat some of it, but not much...the dogs however
> can eat full bowls of raw veggies! They are not quite normal, they will also
> eat the horse's food if I give it to them and they will beg for garlic!
>
> Anyway, I de-sensitised myself to the natural order of predator and prey
> by having 2 buramese pythons as pets for a couple years. If you think your
> slaughterhouse footage would shock me you are most likely wrong, it is often
> wrong and inhumane treatment, but the violence and horror of a python eating
> an innocent bunny wabbit right before your very eyes can be just as graphic.
> I've seen eyeballs pop out, blood squirt all over the cage and listened to
> many rabbit's scream bloody murder (yes, rabbit's really do scream)
>
> Here is the thing- the snakes would certainly die if it did not have live prey
> to feast upon. Snakes eat zero percent veggies or plant life. In fact they won't
> even touch a meal unless it is alive and they kill it themselves.
> These snakes are powerful, I have been bitten so I can tell you they can crush
> bones with the power of their jaws. They were fed smaller things like mice and
> rats when they were younger, but when they were at a length of eight feet
> feeding
> them rats would have been a daily thing, and in nature they would have certainly
> been eating larger prey. It was sad buying rabbits knowing they would die,
> I nearly cried many times but I got over it because I had to. I learned alot
> about nature with these snakes and I see things differently because of it I'm
> sure.
> I have a hundred snake stories, but I'll spare you sensitrive types any more
> horror.
>
> I don't think eating flesh in itself it an issue of right or wrong. I support
> anyone
> who does not eat meat for moral reasons, but I'm not going to listen to any
> rants
> about how they are right and I am wrong- that is like arguing about religion.
> I can't help but think what would happen if the militant vegans of the world
> somehow gained power making meat an illegal criminal offense like alcohol was
> during prohibition. If you think that's a good idea then check your head because
> that's going way to far ok?
>
> My theory on why humans are not herbivores: winter.
>
> In order to survive the winter when no vegatation is growing humans had to adapt
> to eat meat to survive the ice age. If you were trapped in the mountains of
> Alaska
> for the winter and let's say some raccoons ate all of your dried veggies and
> grains,
> you would die unless you hunted an animal and ate it. When it comes down to that
> if you are willing to die for it, then you are hard core totally moral.
> I would eat the damn rabbit myself.
>
> Look at the movie "Alive". It's not just any movie, there is a deeper story
> behind that and I can nearly think about it every day and not be sure what is
> right and what is wrong, but just like those people I believe I would choose
> the same thing they did which was to stay ALIVE. Maybe reflect on it and think
> about
> how wrong it was or something, but alive none the less. Starvation must be
> one of the worst possible ways to die, the torture getting worse everyday. If
> you
> had a way out, after a few days or a week you would certainly take it.
> Vegans, if you had a gun maybe that would be the easy way out for you to
> spare your conscience- but if not I don't think many humans could endure the
> torture of starving to death.
>
> People are weird. For instance I have a friend who will rant on forever about
> how zoos are evil and animals should never be kept in captivity, all the while
> he has no problem with taking a gun and shooting a deer or moose hunting.
> whatever, you can't make everyone happy!
>
> I wish I could try to elaborate more, but this has been enough for me!
> I feed my cats food with animal products in it everyday, so having prime
> rib a couple times a year isn't going to plague my conscience.
>
> I did it because I want to be as healthy as possible and I have not had any
> problems
> at all with craving meat. I don't miss it at all and not because I hate it,
> I just don't notice it not being there- it's no problem. I thought it would be
> very hard.
>
> Disclaimer: I know at least ten vegans and I'm not ignorant on any of the
> issues here, I just have a different feeling on the whole thing.
> My father recently became fully vegan and it saved his life, he was diebetic
> before the change and now he's fine! This certainly had an impact on me,
> mostly "if he could do it, I CERTAINLY could"
> My girfriend (might as well be wife) is cutting out most meat, but not like me
> so that's hard to deal with, but it's going ok because she only eats meat
> with lunch at work when I'm not around, we have vegitarian meals for dinner.
>
> Also, I have been into herbal supplements for many years and have found
> alot of positive reactions from certain herbs. So far after 33 days of
> being veggie I can say I feel much healthier than before. Now I just need
> to get more exercise!
>
> now that is a post, eh?
> paul
>
>
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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) if at first you don't succeed
Date: 05 Feb 1999 06:14:24 PST

I sent this yesterday morning but it never went through...
This place is bipolar, 50 messages one day, 10 the next.
OK, once again...

Some random thoughts....

I heard Demons & Horses for the first time yesterday evening. I was
reading a book so I only had part of my attention directed towards it.
As Dan said, they are repetitive, but not monotonous. When your head is
between two speakers you can hear the minutae very clearly. Anyways, I
find it interesting how I can be paying little attention to a song yet
it still has a hold on me. Demons found a track in my mind and settled
in there without my knowing it, so that when something did change in the
song, some invisible rhythym inside me changed too and my mood changed,
very subtly. It's like having a secondary pulse. There are these train
horn type noises that show 2 or 3 times in Demons that "woke" me. Horses
reminds my of the Dirty Hypo mix of Hymn a little bit. I like these
tracks. They make me physically comfortable.

Moby live: I've only seen one incarnation (twice), as you put it, but I
enjoyed the outdoor show more simply because it was outside, the setting
was a courtyard surrounded by brick dorms, there were trees, and the
weather was absolutely gorgeous. 70 degress and breezy, partly cloudy,
yum yum. Moby opened with Ah-Ah as usual, and Pablo was there to shred
bongo. The energy you expect was there, as usual. That show was summer
98, the other time I saw Moby was with Juno Reactor in a dark, smoky
venue, which was also fun, but not as comfortable. My energy and
enthusiasm were not as great, either. That was late 97. I'd like to see
his DJ set.

I found and ordered "I Talk To The Wind". It took me forever to find it,
it's a UK promo only, or a very scarce release. According to "they",
these are some of the best remixes Moby has done. Who can tell me more?

-S

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From: "April Kilduff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #327
Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:18:18 -0600

                      RE>mobility-digest V1 #327                   2/5/99

Let me explain a few things about the way I see it...

My theory on why humans are not herbivores: winter.

In order to survive the winter when no vegatation is growing humans had to
adapt
to eat meat to survive the ice age.
Vegans, if you had a gun maybe that would be the easy way out for you to
spare your conscience-

i haven't posted in a while, but i felt compelled to respond to this, and not
in a nasty-let's-start-a-big-argument type of way. just some thoughts i have
when i hear this sort of reasoning. i'll keep it simple:

first, yes, our bodies are designed to ingest both plant and animal, however,
our minds have the ability to rationalize a more humane choice. one of the
benefits of being at the top of the food chain is that we can make such a
choice for ourselves.

second, if it came down to a matter of survival i would eat meat (i'm a vegan)
and i would shoot a bear that was attacking me because i'd do the same in the
name of self-defense if the attacker was human. BUT, i feel safe in assuming
that those of us on this internet list do not live our lives day-to-day in a
survival mode. people who are legitimately trapped in poverty and starvation
should take what they can get, but i know my life isn't about survival, it's
about the maintanence of a lifestyle. that's where the choice comes in.

it's quite possible your vegan friends have expressed these ideas to you
already, but i was moved to respond by your post.

good day,
april.




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) if at first you don't succeed
Date: 05 Feb 1999 19:51:10 +0000

 The energy you expect was there, as usual. That show was summer
98, the other time I saw Moby was with Juno Reactor in a dark, smoky
venue, which was also fun, but not as comfortable. My energy and
enthusiasm were not as great, either.

I think that's what I loved about his show -the energy unbelievable.

Ed



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From: "Shinkuro Katsumi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: dark smoky venue
Date: 05 Feb 1999 20:34:14 GMT

Ed said:

Moby was with Juno Reactor in a dark, smoky venue, which was also fun,
but not as comfortable. My energy and
>enthusiasm were not as great, either.

Was this @ the House of Blues in Chicago?




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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:51:57 -0800 (PST)


Moby
Well its come up so many times that people Love Moby but dont know the
back round behind the man.
Well here it is ALL of it.

enjoy



Occupation: Contemporary dance music, DJ

Personal Information Born Richard Melville Hall, September 11, 1965,
in Darien, CT.

                 Education
                 Attended University of Connecticut
(one source says State University of                  New York at
Purchase), c. 1980s.

Career
Musician and performer, c. late 1970s--. Played in bands the Vatican
Commandos and AWOL, among others, 1983-84; worked as DJ at Club Mars,
New York City, c. 1980s; remixed recordings by Michael Jackson, Brian
Eno,Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, the B-52's, and others, c. 1980s--;
recorded
singles for Instinct label under a variety of names, including Voodoo
Child,Barracuda, and Mindwave, 1990-92; appeared on album Bloodline by
Recoil,
1992; signed with Elektra Records and released Move EP, 1993; started
Trophy Records label, c. 1990s.

                 Addresses
Home--New York, NY. Record company--Elektra Records, 75 Rockefeller
Plaza, New York, NY 10019; or 345 North Maple Dr., Suite 123, Beverly
Hills,
CA 90210. Websites--The Ultimate Moby Page:
                 http://mindvox.phantom.com/hymn/moby.html.

"The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and
screaming," said techno's best-known performer, Moby, in Rolling
Stone, "but the best way
I've found to reach people is through plastic equipment. I like that
irony." The soft-spoken but passionate and driven artist has won
universal accolades from critics for investing the frequently
anonymous electronic dance music genre with soul and spirit. "By
tucking tangible emotion into the music's mechanized grandeur,"
observed Rolling Stone writer Lorraine Ali, "he makes techno
personable, approachable and alive." An unorthodox Christian
vegetarian, Moby
has also seized every opportunity to trumpet his views on the
environment and other issues; the title of his widely praised album
Everything Is Wrong pretty
much encapsulates his view of the modern era.

He was born Richard Melville Hall to a professional couple in
Connecticut; a great-great grandnephew of famed nineteenth-century
writer Herman Melville, he
was given the nickname Moby after the novelist's most celebrated work,
Moby Dick. His father died when Moby was only two--his parents were
planning to
divorce--and he was shuttled between the apartment of his
struggling-musician mother and his upper-crust grandparents. "I was
torn between the two," he said
 "and I knew they were both weird. I wasn't brought up with this
paradigm of how to live. So now I'm like, 'Anything goes.'" His mother
worked as a secretary by day and at night played keyboards in a band.

Moby began making music at a young age; by his tenth year he'd
discovered pot and hard rock. A few years later came the
anti-authoritarian anthems of
punk, by which point Moby disdained drugs and booze and advocated a
sober lifestyle as "a rejection of decadent high-school values." The
confusion and pain
of his growing up fueled his development as an artist. "A lot of what
drives me to create is a feeling of inadequacy," he told Spin.
"Growing up a latch-key child, I spent a lot of time by myself. I
wasn't good-looking. I wasn't good at sports."

During his brief college career Moby dove into the twin pools of
philosophy and alcohol; he also played in a band influenced by
post-punk British rock. He
recorded indie singles with punkers the Vatican Commandos and the Pork
Guys, as well as noise bands Shopwell and Peanuts. Ultimately,
however, he
dropped out and underwent a new series of transformations. Paramount
among them was his becoming a Christian. Though he has never
identified himself with a particular church or sect and has been
harshly critical of religious
conservatives, Moby has often detailed the tenets of his faith in
interviews. "I'm
not a cultural Christian," he insisted in Rolling Stone, "but I love
Christ. I try to
live up to his teachings but fail all the time. It's this yardstick
that I hold up to my life that I can never, never live up to. It's
more interesting than frustrating." His religious awakening
accompanied a decision to give up not only drugs and
booze but also meat and other animal products, and his advocacy of
vegetarianism seems at times even more vehement than his Christian
proselytizing.

Moby's newfound clean lifestyle coincided with his discovery of dance
culture,which was in the early-to-mid-1980s still an underground
phenomenon. "When I first got into it--when it was primarily a bastion
of gay, black culture--it was so
foreign and viscerally satisfying," he recalled in the Rolling Stone
interview. Moby was about 19 when he began working as a club DJ in
Port Chester,
New York. He moved on to New York City--ground zero of the U.S. dance
music scene--and began working the turntables at the popular club
Mars. Even so, as
he related in Spin, he hardly felt at home: "I spun records for rap
stars Run-D.M.C., Big Daddy Kane, pop legend and actress Cher;
everybody went through there, but I never felt like I fit in. I didn't
know how to dress. I didn't even know where to buy my records." He hid
behind a variety of DJ nicknames,among them Barracuda, Mindstorm, and
Voodoo Child.

By 1990 Moby was making records for the Instinct label; his eclectic,
original approach soon acquired a buzz. After a while pop luminaries
like Michael Jackson and producer Brian Eno approached him to remix
some of their material. But it wasn't until Move, his 1993 debut for
Elektra Records, that his reputation spread outside the hippest music
circles. Soon he was winning fans who otherwise disliked techno,
ambient, and other new dance music forms,even though many on the dance
scene regarded him as their brightest hope.

Moby's appeal derived in part from his refusal to honor musical
boundaries."Juxtaposition and hybridization is where newness comes
from," he insisted in
Spin. "It's where jazz came from, it's how rock 'n' roll was invented,
it's where all great culture comes from. Putting things together that
haven't been together before. That's invention, that's progress." In
Rolling Stone, Moby derided "this pernicious tribal mentality we all
have" that separates fans of different kinds of music. "We desperately
seek out a tribe with
which we can align and identify ourselves at the expense of all the
other tribes.Defining yourself as a white supremacist and saying 'I
hate techno' are--in very broad terms--the same thing to me. It's
exclusionary, and it's wrong."

Indeed, Moby began to feel that as far as modern life was concerned,
everything was wrong. The phrase resonated so much for him as he
studied the folly and
waste of human societies-- particularly the U.S.--that he decided to
use it as the title of his next album. Released in 1995, Everything Is
Wrong garnered
rapturous reviews. "Moby has the right idea about dance music--it's
whatever moves you wherever you feel it," enthused Rolling Stone,
which declared that
the album "throbs with all the kick and courage of his
contradictions." Ali,reviewing the disc for the Los Angeles Times,
deemed it "one of the most
gripping collections of the year."

The album embraces a striking range of styles, from frantic jungle
grooves to speedmetal to evocative, neoclassical keyboard excursions.
"I think it'd be very
confusing to be a Moby fan," he mused in Rolling Stone, "though from
an emotional perspective it makes sense." Moby acknowledged that his
success would cause defenders of dance music's underground status to
regard him as a sellout. At the same time, he expressed
dissatisfaction with the "emotionless,
featureless, personalityless" quality he detected in much techno. His
own
concerts saw him rocking out on guitar to classic rock covers, kicking
over equipment, and leaping into the audience.

Musician magazine gave readers a glimpse of Moby's home studio, itself
a jungle of keyboards, mixers, samplers, recording equipment, and
other gear. "I like working by myself," the artist reflected in the
magazine spread. "Engineers make me too self-conscious." Apart from
some vocalists who trill fervently on several of the album's tracks,
he is wholly responsible for the recording. In his Elektra bio he
remarked on the degree of expertise this requires. "People tend to be
dismissive of dance acts; oh, he's some dumb DJ, anyone can do that,"
he pointed out. "But an electronic musician has to know the system of
40, 50 pieces of equipment where the operating book for each is the
size of a phone
book. In some ways, it's much more difficult than other kinds of
music." Such breadth of knowledge, however, has not disrupted Moby's
humility and sense of social responsibility. The booklet accompanying
Everything Is Wrong is filled with alarming statistics about
environmental degradation, quotes from esteemed
thinkers about the benefits of vegetarianism, and two short essays
penned by Moby. The first explains the ecological despair that
motivated the title, while the
second lashes out at right-wing Christians, whom he labels
"intolerant, greedy bigots."

But Moby's views appear to be more than mere soapbox sentiments; in
interviews he expresses concern for all living creatures, from
mosquitoes and roaches (which he refuses to kill) to music
journalists. And though he has insisted on the viability of Christ's
teachings, he has also chosen to live with the contradictions of being
a mere mortal. In a chat hosted by the SonicNet online service, he was
asked by one of his many devoted fans to encapsulate the meaning of
life. "The meaning of life," he replied, "is to be loving and
open-minded and full of spunk."

                 Selected Discography
                 "Mobility," Instinct, 1990.
                 "Voodoo Child," Instinct, 1991.
                 "Go," Instinct, 1991.
                 Instinct Dance: A Collection of Dance
 Music from Instinct Records, Instinct,
                 1991.
                 Recoil, Bloodline, Sire, 1992.
                 Ambient (reissue), 1993.
                 Move, Elektra, 1993.
                 Everything Is Wrong, Elektra, 1995.
                 Also recorded with groups the Vatican
 Commandos, AWOL, Shopwell,
                 Peanuts, and the Pork Guys; did
remixes for Michael Jackson, the                       B-52's, Brian
Eno, Pet Shop Boys,                  Depeche Mode, and others.

                 Sources
                 Los Angeles Times, January 18, 1993;
June 21, 1995, p. CAL-5; July 1, 1995,
                 p. CAL-10.
                 Musician, August 1995.
                 Newsday, May 25, 1995, p. B-9.
                 Rolling Stone, November 17, 1994, p.
102; March 23, 1995; May 4, 1995, p.                  58;
                 December 28, 1995.
                 Spin, June 1995, p. 54.

                 Sources
                 Additional information for this
profile was provided by Elektra                  Records publicity
                 materials dated 1995, the liner notes
 to Everything Is Wrong, and a SonicNet
                 online chat.

Peace
Bri




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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re:moby
Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:57:29 -0800 (PST)






---BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Moby
> Well its come up so many times that people Love Moby but dont know
the back round behind the man.
> Well here it is ALL of it.
>
> enjoy
>
>
>
> Occupation: Contemporary dance music, DJ
>
> Personal Information Born Richard Melville Hall, September 11, 1965,
in Darien, CT.
>
>                  Education
>                  Attended University of Connecticut
(one source says State University of                  New York at
Purchase), c. 1980s.
>
> Career
> Musician and performer, c. late 1970s--. Played in bands the Vatican
Commandos and AWOL, among others, 1983-84; worked as DJ at Club Mars,
> New York City, c. 1980s; remixed recordings by Michael Jackson,
Brian Eno,Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, the B-52's, and others, c.
1980s--; recorded
> singles for Instinct label under a variety of names, including
Voodoo Child,Barracuda, and Mindwave, 1990-92; appeared on album
Bloodline by Recoil,
> 1992; signed with Elektra Records and released Move EP, 1993;
started Trophy Records label, c. 1990s.
>
>                  Addresses
> Home--New York, NY. Record company--Elektra Records, 75 Rockefeller
Plaza, New York, NY 10019; or 345 North Maple Dr., Suite 123, Beverly
Hills,
> CA 90210. Websites--The Ultimate Moby Page:
>                  http://mindvox.phantom.com/hymn/moby.html.
>
> "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and
screaming," said techno's best-known performer, Moby, in Rolling
Stone, "but the best way
> I've found to reach people is through plastic equipment. I like that
irony." The soft-spoken but passionate and driven artist has won
universal accolades from critics for investing the frequently
anonymous electronic dance music genre with soul and spirit. "By
tucking tangible emotion into the music's mechanized grandeur,"
observed Rolling Stone writer Lorraine Ali, "he makes techno
personable, approachable and alive." An unorthodox Christian
vegetarian, Moby
> has also seized every opportunity to trumpet his views on the
environment and other issues; the title of his widely praised album
Everything Is Wrong pretty
> much encapsulates his view of the modern era.
>
> He was born Richard Melville Hall to a professional couple in
Connecticut; a great-great grandnephew of famed nineteenth-century
writer Herman Melville, he
> was given the nickname Moby after the novelist's most celebrated
work, Moby Dick. His father died when Moby was only two--his parents
were planning to
> divorce--and he was shuttled between the apartment of his
struggling-musician mother and his upper-crust grandparents. "I was
torn between the two," he said
>  "and I knew they were both weird. I wasn't brought up with this
paradigm of how to live. So now I'm like, 'Anything goes.'" His mother
worked as a secretary by day and at night played keyboards in a band.
>
> Moby began making music at a young age; by his tenth year he'd
discovered pot and hard rock. A few years later came the
anti-authoritarian anthems of
> punk, by which point Moby disdained drugs and booze and advocated a
sober lifestyle as "a rejection of decadent high-school values." The
confusion and pain
> of his growing up fueled his development as an artist. "A lot of
what drives me to create is a feeling of inadequacy," he told Spin.
"Growing up a latch-key child, I spent a lot of time by myself. I
wasn't good-looking. I wasn't good at sports."
>
> During his brief college career Moby dove into the twin pools of
philosophy and alcohol; he also played in a band influenced by
post-punk British rock. He
> recorded indie singles with punkers the Vatican Commandos and the
Pork Guys, as well as noise bands Shopwell and Peanuts. Ultimately,
however, he
> dropped out and underwent a new series of transformations. Paramount
among them was his becoming a Christian. Though he has never
identified himself with a particular church or sect and has been
harshly critical of religious
> conservatives, Moby has often detailed the tenets of his faith in
interviews. "I'm
> not a cultural Christian," he insisted in Rolling Stone, "but I love
Christ. I try to
> live up to his teachings but fail all the time. It's this yardstick
that I hold up to my life that I can never, never live up to. It's
more interesting than frustrating." His religious awakening
accompanied a decision to give up not only drugs and
> booze but also meat and other animal products, and his advocacy of
vegetarianism seems at times even more vehement than his Christian
proselytizing.
>
> Moby's newfound clean lifestyle coincided with his discovery of
dance culture,which was in the early-to-mid-1980s still an underground
phenomenon. "When I first got into it--when it was primarily a bastion
of gay, black culture--it was so
> foreign and viscerally satisfying," he recalled in the Rolling Stone
interview. Moby was about 19 when he began working as a club DJ in
Port Chester,
> New York. He moved on to New York City--ground zero of the U.S.
dance music scene--and began working the turntables at the popular
club Mars. Even so, as
> he related in Spin, he hardly felt at home: "I spun records for rap
stars Run-D.M.C., Big Daddy Kane, pop legend and actress Cher;
everybody went through there, but I never felt like I fit in. I didn't
know how to dress. I didn't even know where to buy my records." He hid
behind a variety of DJ nicknames,among them Barracuda, Mindstorm, and
Voodoo Child.
>
> By 1990 Moby was making records for the Instinct label; his
eclectic, original approach soon acquired a buzz. After a while pop
luminaries like Michael Jackson and producer Brian Eno approached him
to remix some of their material. But it wasn't until Move, his 1993
debut for Elektra Records, that his reputation spread outside the
hippest music circles. Soon he was winning fans who otherwise disliked
techno, ambient, and other new dance music forms,even though many on
the dance scene regarded him as their brightest hope.
>
> Moby's appeal derived in part from his refusal to honor musical
boundaries."Juxtaposition and hybridization is where newness comes
from," he insisted in
> Spin. "It's where jazz came from, it's how rock 'n' roll was
invented, it's where all great culture comes from. Putting things
together that haven't been together before. That's invention, that's
progress." In Rolling Stone, Moby derided "this pernicious tribal
mentality we all have" that separates fans of different kinds of
music. "We desperately seek out a tribe with
> which we can align and identify ourselves at the expense of all the
other tribes.Defining yourself as a white supremacist and saying 'I
hate techno' are--in very broad terms--the same thing to me. It's
exclusionary, and it's wrong."
>
> Indeed, Moby began to feel that as far as modern life was concerned,
everything was wrong. The phrase resonated so much for him as he
studied the folly and
> waste of human societies-- particularly the U.S.--that he decided to
use it as the title of his next album. Released in 1995, Everything Is
Wrong garnered
> rapturous reviews. "Moby has the right idea about dance music--it's
whatever moves you wherever you feel it," enthused Rolling Stone,
which declared that
> the album "throbs with all the kick and courage of his
contradictions." Ali,reviewing the disc for the Los Angeles Times,
deemed it "one of the most
> gripping collections of the year."
>
> The album embraces a striking range of styles, from frantic jungle
grooves to speedmetal to evocative, neoclassical keyboard excursions.
"I think it'd be very
> confusing to be a Moby fan," he mused in Rolling Stone, "though from
an emotional perspective it makes sense." Moby acknowledged that his
success would cause defenders of dance music's underground status to
regard him as a sellout. At the same time, he expressed
dissatisfaction with the "emotionless,
> featureless, personalityless" quality he detected in much techno.
His own
> concerts saw him rocking out on guitar to classic rock covers,
kicking over equipment, and leaping into the audience.
>
> Musician magazine gave readers a glimpse of Moby's home studio,
itself a jungle of keyboards, mixers, samplers, recording equipment,
and other gear. "I like working by myself," the artist reflected in
the magazine spread. "Engineers make me too self-conscious." Apart
from some vocalists who trill fervently on several of the album's
tracks, he is wholly responsible for the recording. In his Elektra bio
he remarked on the degree of expertise this requires. "People tend to
be dismissive of dance acts; oh, he's some dumb DJ, anyone can do that,"
> he pointed out. "But an electronic musician has to know the system
of 40, 50 pieces of equipment where the operating book for each is the
size of a phone
> book. In some ways, it's much more difficult than other kinds of
music." Such breadth of knowledge, however, has not disrupted Moby's
humility and sense of social responsibility. The booklet accompanying
Everything Is Wrong is filled with alarming statistics about
environmental degradation, quotes from esteemed
> thinkers about the benefits of vegetarianism, and two short essays
penned by Moby. The first explains the ecological despair that
motivated the title, while the
> second lashes out at right-wing Christians, whom he labels
"intolerant, greedy bigots."
>
> But Moby's views appear to be more than mere soapbox sentiments; in
interviews he expresses concern for all living creatures, from
mosquitoes and roaches (which he refuses to kill) to music
journalists. And though he has insisted on the viability of Christ's
teachings, he has also chosen to live with the contradictions of being
a mere mortal. In a chat hosted by the SonicNet online service, he was
asked by one of his many devoted fans to encapsulate the meaning of
life. "The meaning of life," he replied, "is to be loving and
> open-minded and full of spunk."
>
>                  Selected Discography
>                  "Mobility," Instinct, 1990.
>                  "Voodoo Child," Instinct, 1991.
>                  "Go," Instinct, 1991.
>                  Instinct Dance: A Collection of Dance
   Music from Instinct Records, Instinct,
>                  1991.
>                  Recoil, Bloodline, Sire, 1992.
>                  Ambient (reissue), 1993.
>                  Move, Elektra, 1993.
>                  Everything Is Wrong, Elektra, 1995.
>                  Also recorded with groups the Vatican
   Commandos, AWOL, Shopwell,
>                  Peanuts, and the Pork Guys; did
remixes for Michael Jackson, the                       B-52's, Brian
Eno, Pet Shop Boys,                  Depeche Mode, and others.
>
>                  Sources
>                  Los Angeles Times, January 18, 1993;
  June 21, 1995, p. CAL-5; July 1, 1995,
>                  p. CAL-10.
>                  Musician, August 1995.
>                  Newsday, May 25, 1995, p. B-9.
>                  Rolling Stone, November 17, 1994, p.
  102; March 23, 1995; May 4, 1995, p.                  58;
>                  December 28, 1995.
>                  Spin, June 1995, p. 54.
>
>                  Sources
>                  Additional information for this
profile was provided by Elektra                  Records publicity
>                  materials dated 1995, the liner notes
   to Everything Is Wrong, and a SonicNet
>                  online chat.
>
> Peace
> Bri
>
>
>

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From: "Ruben A. Blanco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby's Procelain!
Date: 05 Feb 1999 19:42:35 -0600

Thanks to Steve Giles and Shaun Rader for finding Moby's Porcelain on
the Internet!    :)

From the Mobility-Digest V1 #317
Available on the internet in Real Audio there's a Listening Party for
the Soundtrack Playing By Heart.
http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/
http://www.radio.audionet.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyhear
t/playingbyheart.ram
Porcelain is in there: At about 15 minutes 25 seconds into the real
audio file is Porcelain!
Give it a listen if you had not had a chance to hear Moby's new song
like me.
       Sorry for the cheap review (maybe more of us can do a better
job).
Porcelain starts off with a signature Moby beginning: use of a
synthesizer set on an organ sound (kind of like Hymn and Dead Sun)
giving the song an inspirational, celestial, lovely feeling. Funky
beats come into play next and then Moby's mixing and sequencing of
musical bits, a driving bass line, then rounding off with a looping
samples of some type of lyrics ("yeah! ..."), with more classical
organ synthesizer and piano bridges that will be looped later in the
song. The lyrics of the song are produced with some type of  voice
modulator for the majority of the song. I couldn't understand -
comprehend any of the lyrics, but something like "In my dreams I am
dying all the time... I never meant to hurt you ... so this is good
bye ... this is goodbye "  is mentioned in the song.  At 2:02 into
the song the synthesizers stop momentarily, but the voice modulated
lyrics continue with the funky driving beat, bass line, and sampling
in the background.  Then at 2:22 a lovely change up in the song
occurs, the synthesizer organs come back with a lovely and moving
musical passage. I don't know if it was what I had just ingested, or
maybe Valentines Day approaching, but this passage reminded me of
 "Love at First Sight."  That feeling when you see somebody from a
far that catches your attention and you are immediately attracted,
that passage in the song stirs up inside of you leaving an
impressionable feeling on you. Next lyrics: " In my dreams I'm
jealous all the time...  I'm going out of my mind,  going out of my
mind."  The song ends with the arranged looping "Yeah!", piano, and
synthesizer arrangement.
It is a good song, but I was kind of set aside with the voice
modulator expressing the main lyrics of the song. I guess I am
frantically awaiting Moby's new full album that this song is kind of
teasing me. Compared Honey (3:18 long - I only have the Permanent
Midnight Soundtrack version) Porcelain (3:52 long - Playing by Heart
Soundtrack version) is a more playful and softer song I guess.
Porcelain is kind of a love song (lost love, or love-less song). I
found Porcelain to move me more emotional than Honey. But both are
great songs.
What does everybody else think? WHAT ARE THE LYRICS FOR PORCELAIN?
What is the song trying to express?
Well I bought the Playing by Heart Soundtrack to get Moby's song
after liking what I heard from the Real Audio clip from the internet.
The soundtrack is ok, nice songs. I haven't listened to it completely
but here are it's notable songs:
1.) Drinking in LA - Bran Van 3000  (POP Hip Hop-ish song, good slow
beat and rhythm)
4.) Cigarettes will kill you - Ben Lee  (POP Rock song. Nice piano,
drum sequencing)
5.) Porcelain - MOBY   (Best Song)
9.) Dirty Little Mouth - Fluke (Woah! "Where did this song come
from?" Most different song on entire Soundtrack.
                                                It's a driving
Electronica song - a definate clubbing song.)
10.) Friction - Morcheeba , 11.) Been around the World - Cracker ,
 12.) Angelene - PJ Harvey.
Track 8 Tijuana Lady - Gomez song sounds like a slow, soft,
acoustical guitar Frank Black song (Weird, kinda neat, different,
slow song).
Besides Porcelain the soundtrack has slow catchy POP Rock songs, slow
Blues/Jazz -like songs, acoustical guitar songs, 1 driving
electronica song, etc. There is the dish on whether to buy it or not
- for Porcelain.

That's it for now. Have a nice weekend everybody.

Ruben A. Blanco
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From: "Ruben A. Blanco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Need "Thanks" information
Date: 05 Feb 1999 19:50:17 -0600

Can somebody tell us new folks on this list background information on
the Thanks series?
What I have read Thanks1 was a collaboration of different people that
mixed Moby's songs.
Can somebody write more information on this? What songs were on the
CD (?), which mixes
were the best and why?

When is Thanks2 going to be ready. I know one guy is frantically
trying to finish a webpage for it, but
what will this webpage URL be? How can we get a copy of Thanks1 and
Thanks2? We are awaiting patiently.

"Thanks"  Everybody.

Ruben A. Blanco
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From: "Ruben A. Blanco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby Lyrics?
Date: 05 Feb 1999 19:52:53 -0600

Can somebody post the Lyrics for Porcelain.

It isn't posted yet at www.moby.org yet, I couldn't find it.

OK,

Ruben A. Blanco
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Need "Thanks" information
Date: 05 Feb 1999 23:10:51 -0600 (CST)

Here is the asked for information about "Thanks 1".

Thanks 1 was compiled and produced by Andrew Davies, album artwork done by xaq.
The "catalog" info is as follows:

THANKS  [Mobility List Members, Nov 1997]US CD-R
 NOTE:  This is a tribute album of remixes and covers of Moby songs.
    Approximately 56 copies were made between November 1997 and
        February 1998.  Produced by Andrew J. Davies, art by Xaq.
 1  5:15  Unloved Symphony                                               [Ryu]
 2  6:34  Move (Drums on the Move)                                     [Ethan]
 3  6:14  Emptiness                                             [DJ Chrysalis]
 4  5:40  Everytime You Touch Me (Gingerbread Mix)           [Gingerbread Man]
 5  5:01  Choose Your Jesus (TC Mix)                          [Darryl Cottier]
 6  4:02  Go (Adrenalyne Mix)                                        [Epsilon]
 7  3:54  James Bond Theme (Agent-G Mix)                     [Gingerbread Man]
 8 10:14  God Moving Over the Face of the Waters (Reborn)              [Telex]
 9  8:08  hymn.not.quiet.version                               [Xero Products]

my 3 favorite tracks are 1, 2, 4, but the whole CD is excellent!  Artists were
from Pennsylvania, Illinois, France, Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida, and
Minnesota.
I think that once "Thanks 2" is ready, "Thanks 1" is going to be re-released.
Hopefully the second CD will be even better than the first!

If anyone has any other questions regarding "Thanks 1", mail me personally.

andy
gingerbread man

[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Question
Date: 06 Feb 1999 01:44:30 EST

Hello people....last time I wrote to this thing was quite a few months ago,
but i haven't had a reason to since...anyways, I have a question for those who
use/know groove machines....I am thinking about expanding my studio by adding
on a groove machine....I have narrowed down my choices to two machines....one
being the Quasimidi Rave-O-Lution 309 and the Roland MC-505....both are
somewhat around the same price, so it don't matter....I really love the 309,
but I don't know if it doubles up as a sound module like the 505 does....for
those who know what I am talking about, which one do you perfer?  I am looking
more towards he 505 because I like the independent faders/mute/solo option
with the channels, but I love the analog feel of the 309....if you gots any
suggestions, please feel free to write back....thank you

Fil



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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby site
Date: 07 Feb 1999 18:26:20 +0900

Sorry to waste a message like this, but can some please tell me the mute site
adress? Thanks a lot. Later.
AJ



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: dark smoky venue
Date: 06 Feb 1999 11:45:51 +0000

> From:          "Shinkuro Katsumi" <[e-mail]>
> To:            [e-mail]
> Subject:       (mobility) Re: dark smoky venue
> Date:          Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:34:14 +0000
> Reply-to:      [e-mail]

> Ed said:
>
> Moby was with Juno Reactor in a dark, smoky venue, which was also fun,
> but not as comfortable. My energy and
> >enthusiasm were not as great, either.
>
> Was this @ the House of Blues in Chicago?
>
>
>
>




I didn't say this I just responded to it sorry for the confusion.
You should have had the original posted earlier.


















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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby site
Date: 06 Feb 1999 09:06:01 EST

http://www.mute.com/mute/index.html



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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby Bio
Date: 06 Feb 1999 10:06:01 PST


Very cool bio, Bri! I appreciate the very entertaining read.

Somthing got messed up in the replies, or I lost track of a thread, but
it WAS me who wrote about the dark, smoky venue, and yes it was
House Of Blues.  I never got the message with that question, just a
reply to the question.

Ruben, welcome to the list! I see that Andy already answered your Thanks
I & II questions. As far as Porcelain goes, there are no posted lyrics.
Your review was the first I'd heard of them at all, aside from a message
Paul Simpson wrote a while back. Your best bet is to figure them out on
your own or wait and hope the album contains them. (which I doubt, Moby
never has lyrics)

-S


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's Procelain!
Date: 06 Feb 1999 13:40:41 EST

wow...first honey then porcelain..if his cd has the same vibes as these two
songs or better, i will cream all over my pants and that is the truth...i
loved porcelain..probably more than honey...i cannot wait!!!  oh yeah...what
is going on with the Thanks 2 compilataion..love..elie



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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Porcelain
Date: 06 Feb 1999 16:42:37 -0700

Thanks for that excellent in-depth review/description of "Porcelain",
Ruben!  My _Playing By Heart_ soundtrack CD just arrived today.

I normally don't buy soundtracks to movies I don't care about.  I am
interested in hearing the _Permanent Midnight_ version of "Honey", but
I still haven't bought the soundtrack because it's a lot of money for
something I probably will listen to only 2 or 3 times, for just one
song.  My purchase of _Playing By Heart_ can be 100% credited to the
fact that the entire soundtrack is available in RealAudio -- not just
30-second clips of selected songs.  If more record companies were
willing to offer RealAudio-quality listens to entire CDs, they would
probably end up with more of my money.

http://www.radio.broadcast.com/jukebox/listeningparty/playingbyheart/

I haven't listened to the whole CD yet, but I think that until
"Porcelain" comes out on a Moby album or single, it practically
justifies the purchase of the _Playing By Heart_ soundtrack.  It's a
nice new-style Moby song.  While "Honey" was fun and funky but
emotionless, this has more emotional color.  The string harmony gives
it that.

Anyways, I can't figure out all the lyrics, but here's roughly what
it sounds like to me:

  In my dreams I'm dying all the time
  And awake it's kaleidoscopic [fun]
  I never meant to hurt you
  I never meant to die
  So this is goodbye
  This is goodbye

  Tell the truth you never wanted me
  [Tell the truth you never wanted me]
  Tell me

  [In my dreams I try this all the time]
  [And I wait for] going out of my mind
  Going out of my mind

The bracketed areas I am really unsure of.

Dan Cerman
http://www.moby.org/
NP:  Moby, "Porcelain"



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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) video
Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:36:36 -0000

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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey
Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:32:47 -0000

 1)  Do you like Moby?
i like Richard M. Hall (the brains behind voodoochild et all)

>> > 2)  Which album is your favourite?
i like to score

>> > 3)  Which single is your favourite?
come on baby (only for the extra tracks, live tracks & cool packaging)

>> > 4)  Which song is your favourite?
what love

>> > 5)  If you could be anyone, who would it be?
God

>> > 6)  Which hairdoo looks best on Moby?
does it matter it's whats under neath the hair that counts!!!

>> > 7)  When do you predict Moby will next tour?
hopefully this summer

>> > 8)  What type of pet(s), if you have/had?
I dont believe in pets

>> > 9)  Where would you go if you could go anywhere in the world?
Southpark

>> > 10)  What is your favourite colour of socks and why?
My Little Idiot Socks!!

>> > 11)  What do you think will happen in the year 2000?
we will all dress in silver clothes and fly spaceships

>> > 12)  Where do you think you will be in 10 years?
i hope i am in a happy place

>> > 13)  What's your favourite colour of toothbrush?
anything as long as it's red

>> > 14)  What's your biggest pet peeve?
anyone who tries to force you to like something because they do

>> > 15)  Do you want to be buried or cremated?
Buried at sea or frozen

>> > 16)  What's your favourite type of cookie?
ginger & peanut




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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) porcelain
Date: 06 Feb 1999 17:58:41 -0800 (PST)



i think the device he uses in porcelain is a vocoder, right???

as for the first verse anyway, i posted it a while ago, but heres what
i think it is (off the top of my head...)

"in my dreams im dying all the time
then i wake it's kaleidoscopic mind
i never meant to hurt you
i never meant to lie
so this is goodbye
this is goodbye"

and the voice in the background i thought was saying "fair...woman" or
somethuing. who knows.

well maybe moby knows!??!?!?

whatever. bye!!!!!!!!!1
==
"look at all these crescent fresh skulls in my salad!!!"
-sifl & olly show
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
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From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) a plastikman cd
Date: 07 Feb 1999 17:55:16 -0600

Sorry for the non-moby related question

Is there anyone that has the Richie hawtin/Plastikman Mixmag Live 1 cd?  How
many tracks are on the cd cover and how many tracks are on the actual cd?

kevin
craigras+AEA-msn.com






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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) video
Date: 07 Feb 1999 19:11:57 -0600

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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby on MTV Europe
Date: 07 Feb 1999 23:02:26 -0700

Hi.  "louisa [A.I.A.W.Y.T.I.A.]" informed me that Moby was on MTV Europe
this past week.  I got permission to forward the info verbatim, so check
below for details...  Thanks, l.!

Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/
NP:  Spacetime Continuum, "Vertigo"


Excerpt of what "louisa [A.I.A.W.Y.T.I.A.]" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> -the MTV Europe version of the US Top 20 is done by a friend of Moby, Toby
> who also lives in NYC.
> -Toby brought Moby on to make a theme tune for a segment of the show
> -this was all done in Moby's studios. broadcast last monday and tuesday on
> MTVEurope.
> -highly entertaining man, that moby.

At 1999.02.07.0756 -0700, I replied:
> Thanks for the info!
> + Mind if I quote it to the Mobility mailing list?
> + Did Moby made the tune right there on TV, or
>   did he just make the tune and have it played on TV?
> + Will the theme tune be on the show regularly?
> + When is the show on?
> + Please let me know if you find out that it's going to be
>   rebroadcasted. :)
>
> Dan [moby.org]

"louisa [A.I.A.W.Y.T.I.A.]" <[e-mail]> elaborated:
> the making of the tune episode wont be rebroadcasted, i do have a copy and
> will eventually convert bits onto the net (still images and maybe a sound
> bite)
> when the tape is full (im a big fan of toby and am taping each of his shos)
> i will be converting it to NTSC, at which point you can send me a blank VHS
> tape and i'll dub a copy for you (recording might not be great, it'll be
> the 4th generation by then)
>
> basically Toby says "we've had complaints that the show is too lo fidelity
> so we're going to look round and find a reclusive rock star to help us make
> a theme for our esteemed robot of pop"
> the robot of pop is a toy robot which has a vocoder thing in it so he can
> speak the MTV address for the show, he says "i am the robot of pop, feel me
> rock" at the end of each show.
> Toby finds Moby on the roof of "his gigantic penthouse" and they go
> downstairs to Moby's studio and go thru "the 8 steps of how to make a
> possible number one hit record."
> so they sample the robot and other toys, stick a bass line and some strings
> on it, add some funky beatz, and voila you have a throwaway theme song for
> the robot of pop all of 10 seconds long i believe
> it's actually fairly poorly executed, as it was slapped together during the
> recording of the show. but its a very funny show, moby is quite
> entertaining, though he says little seeing as he's just the guest. all up
> its about 8 minutes of footage. But you get to see Moby's studio, looks
> like he's using cubase with two monitors, a huge mixing desk, couple of
> lovely keyboards, a rack of samplers and sound banks, and probably more
> stuff i recognised even less.
>
> the song "should" be replayed every week on MTVEuropes US Top 20 in the
> last 10 seconds of the show. it airs monday and tuesday nights.
> in australia it airs sunday 11am once a week.
>
> if you have MTV Europe its definitely worth checking out the show as Toby
> really pulls the carpet from under the thing that is the US Charts, and
> besides, he's good pals with Moby, right?
>
> feel free to rebroadcast this to the list.
> l.
[quoted stuff snipped]
> --*-+
> the message is the message, the medium can often pervert it.



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From: "kristy radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) move
Date: 08 Feb 1999 11:25:49 PST

Oh joy i have just purchased the Move ep and i figured that this was
definetly a reason to celebrate.  Now, if i could jsut locate the red
into the blue single and a copy of Early Underground (for less than
29.99) my life will forever be complete.

next issue.
A few months ago it was recommended to me to pick up the Nick Drake cd:
an introduction to nick drake and so i did.  well imagine my hysterics
when i read the little notes attached to the top of the cd (because this
is what RykoDisc does) and find that they say our own MOBY has cited
Nick Drake as an inspiration.  Oh joy again. If you ever get the chance,
pick up this  disc. It's amazing. Folk i guess for those of you who
don't want to go out on a limb and make the purchase without first being
informed.  this guy is briliant.

kristy

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From: mark reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 08 Feb 1999 16:54:20 +0000

In message <[e-mail]>, kristy radford
<[e-mail]> writes
>Oh joy i have just purchased the Move ep and i figured that this was
>definetly a reason to celebrate.  Now, if i could jsut locate the red
>into the blue single and a copy of Early Underground (for less than
>29.99) my life will forever be complete.
where do you live? I know a few places that have it cheap... Selectadisc
in Nottingham and London for a start.. 7 UKP
--
mark reed



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From: "kristy radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 08 Feb 1999 12:38:18 PST

Oh dear,
thanks for lettting me know but i live in canada <cry cry cry>
kristy

>Oh joy i have just purchased the Move ep and i figured that this was
>definetly a reason to celebrate.  Now, if i could jsut locate the red
>into the blue single and a copy of Early Underground (for less than
>29.99) my life will forever be complete.
where do you live? I know a few places that have it cheap... Selectadisc
in Nottingham and London for a start.. 7 UKP
--
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From: "Jon Gage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) a plastikman cd
Date: 08 Feb 1999 07:52:39 -0500

>Is there anyone that has the Richie hawtin/Plastikman Mixmag Live 1 cd?
How
>many tracks are on the cd cover and how many tracks are on the actual cd?


Are you talking about the one where his face is bound in electrical tape?  I
think it's only 1 or 2.  That's generally the format for Mixmag discs-it
would be too difficult to seperate the tracks otherwise...




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From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) interesting bit about Moby
Date: 08 Feb 1999 19:07:25 -0600

There's this band called Church of Rhythm that includes a guy named Max
Hsu. Max used to be in a band called Zero. Both Zero and Moby had a song on
a compilation called _Motion Factory_. Max's web page has a short bit about
Moby, 6th paragraph:

http://www.cor-site.com/aboutus/maxbio.html

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Question
Date: 09 Feb 1999 02:39:09 EST

just on what i've played around on i'd go w/ the 505  the shit you can pull
with that d beam alone is worth it...not to mention it has some of the best
interface for the level of machine.......that's just my thought......
            b kool,
 secret skwrril



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From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Porcelain MP3
Date: 09 Feb 1999 17:09:22 -0800

Finally found Porcelain in mp3 format at:
FTP Site 193.216.168.10
Login/Pass: mp3
it's a ratio site so you have to upload something...

it's in the MP-3 directory under Moby - Porcelain

Shaun





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From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Porcelain MP3
Date: 09 Feb 1999 20:30:03 -0600

Ack!

I've tried this upload/download combo four times and can't get anything to
go through. If anyone gets it to work, let me know and I can let you post it
somewhere we all can share.

BSC




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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #330
Date: 09 Feb 1999 19:05:14 PST

>From: "kristy radford" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (mobility) move
>
>Oh joy i have just purchased the Move ep and i figured that this was
>definetly a reason to celebrate.

Does the Move ep still come with the cool dark blue and silver MOBY
sticker? I bought that when it came out and it came with a sticker
inside....

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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #330
Date: 09 Feb 1999 19:28:14 -0800 (PST)






---Android M <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >From: "kristy radford" <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: (mobility) move
> >
> >Oh joy i have just purchased the Move ep and i figured that this was
> >definetly a reason to celebrate.
>
> Does the Move ep still come with the cool dark blue and silver MOBY
> sticker? I bought that when it came out and it came with a sticker
> inside....
>
Yes it did or still does.
Bri

==
"How can I save you, I cant even save myself,
 ....so just save yourself!!!"


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From: Christopher Dovichak <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) First time post
Date: 09 Feb 1999 23:11:24 -0500 (EST)


I've been a member of the list for a while now but this is my first time
posting. I wanted to thank whoever it was that posted that bio the other
day--I thoroughly enjoyed it, and to amass the collective periodical
resources which would have been reqiured independently would have been
extremely time consuming. Thanks. Also, the "selected" discography left
out so much, as we all know, I'd like to see a complete discogaphy
(singles and all), even though it would be immense. I have been a Moby fan
since I saw Heat back in '96 and had to pick up the soundtrack both for
the New Dawn Fades cover and the G.M.O.T.F.O.T.W. track, which next led me
to Everything is Wrong. I heard Hymn once and bought the disc. Since then
I've been a pretty big fan, though I like so much stuff that my level of
devotion probably pales in comparison to most people on this list. I loved
AR (I felt no urge to abandon Moby for his explorations and forays into
"synthetic industrial-punk" or whatever you call "Come ON Baby" one of my
favorite Moby songs. But, like most of you guys, my undisputed favorite is
EOE, Slow Motion Suicide and Reject are absolutely remarkable. I have to
admit, however, that recently I got a track listing and "review" from a
friend of "Little Idiot" the nine-track disc which came out with the
limited UK version of AR, and when I was told that it was even remotely
like EOE, I went out and blew $15 just to get my hands on it. If anyone
has not heard this disc who loves EOE, stop whatever you are doing right
now, get in the car and go find it--it is essentially a precursor to EOE,
with some or all of the instrumental tracks off the US AR, plus some stuff
that will just blow your mind--including the full 18 minute version of
Reject! Anyway, sorry to blab on, just wanted to jump on and say hello.
Before I go, one question--you guys keep talking about "Demons and
Horses", I have never seen or heard of this. What's it like? Where can I
get it?

Chris

"What was that...my sweet, sweet nothing..."




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From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Porcelain MP3
Date: 09 Feb 1999 21:01:21 -0800

Yeah I got it to work that's why I posted the ftp site!

If you have a site for me to upload it to I'll be happy to do so.  That way
no one has to worry about uploading anything.

Shaun





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From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) try to download porcelain from here
Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:24:35 -0800

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~srader/porcelain.mp3

if it opens up media player look for the file in your temporary folders
(after it plays) or do a search on the newest files made (i think it should
still be in the cache somewhere).  if someone can download it and put it up
on their site that would be great cause i can't have it up too long with my
quota and all.

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #330
Date: 10 Feb 1999 09:26:24 -0500

I know the one i have came with one...in fact, it's pinned to my ceiling
right now! :-)
of course, this was a year ago that i got it, so i don't know.

daniel

"So I waked upon high, and i stepped to the edge to see my world below" -
Collective Soul
>Does the Move ep still come with the cool dark blue and silver MOBY
>sticker? I bought that when it came out and it came with a sticker
>inside....
>
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>
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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) First time post
Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:35:17 PST


>>>>Christopher Dovichak wrote>>>>>>>
>>I'd like to see a complete discogaphy
>>(singles and all), even though it would be immense.

http://www.moby.org/info/mobydisc.txt

>>you guys keep talking about "Demons and
>>Horses", I have never seen or heard of this.
>>What's it like? Where can I get it?

Check your old mail! If you've been on the list for a while there should
be a message w/ a description of the songs by Daniel Cerman and one by
myself, as well as two places you can buy it from. The messages are from
this month, they're very recent. If you've deleted them check the
archives at moby.org. This single is like the early hard Voodoo Child,
not the quiet peaceful End Of Everything Voodoo Child.

I got a lump of 40 records for a low low price. One of them is a Hymn
white label with a cool orange and blue sticker on it. It has Menacing,
I Beleive, Dirty Hypo, & Lucky Orgasm on it. No record label, just a
short serial number beginning with ED. Upon checking the discography I
see that it's the Elektra promo. There's a bunch of house/club type
stuff. A Tricky record, "Aftermath". A house song that samples viper car
alarms. Lots of 80's new wave. Some club style house. An M-Five record
with a cool Winx dub. Lots of terrible crap. Based on the selection,
record sleeves, & source, I'd say this collection was owned by somebody
playing a gay club in New York. There's plenty of sad Depeche Mode
wannabe records in the pile, a couple of sleeves with guys in 80's style
S&M gear and dog collars, tight ripped jeans, and goofy animal
expressions on their faces. Lots of neon and bad 80's prep. I'm gonna
have difficulty offloading some of these. They're that bad. Anybody with
a really open mind want some of these?

-Steve

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) lindsey cote
Date: 10 Feb 1999 18:49:47 EST

hey, if you get a chance to read this, i was just wondering when you will be
sending my Moby records..no rush, just needed an update..thanx...elie



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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 10 Feb 1999 16:12:42 -0800 (PST)


hey
whoever wanted a copy of Early Underground, um, music box has it for
11 bucks. they have 2 copies. im getting one. you can have the other.
email me privately.

survey time!!!!!!!

1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?

2. some as 1., except  moby album?

3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?

4. same as 3 but not serious?

5. who's the greatest mc?

6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
animal-fur-free, duh.

7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
couldnt tell. ROCK!

8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?

9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
seems to like everything...

10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...


bye!!!!1

np:autechre-tri repetae (on that broadcast.com thing...funny, they
wouldnt let me hear playing by heart, but i can hear this...oh well,
as long as i can listen to sumpin...)



==
My math teacher tried to flunk me at Hamden High, thanks a
lot, next semester I'll be 35, i smacked her in her head with
an eraser, chased her with a stapler, and told her to change
the grade on the paper...
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
(don't worry, none of that happened...)
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 10 Feb 1999 19:50:16 EST

In a message dated 2/10/99 4:16:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

 1. what is your LEAST fave moby song? What Love

 2. same as 1., except  moby album? Moby

 3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be? Why
don't you dj more in the states?

 4. same as 3 but not serious? can we all go over your house and have a big
orgy?

 5. who's the greatest mc? me, Elie, l.e.---

 6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
 animal-fur-free, duh.

 7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
 couldnt tell. ROCK! nope

 8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be? Sven Vath

 9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
 seems to like everything... kirk franklin

 10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know... the megg




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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) burning hurt porcelain eggs
Date: 11 Feb 1999 09:11:51 PST

Promos of the Clash tribute, which is to be called "London Burning", are
now floating around out there. I think Moby & Heather Nova's track,
"Straight To Hell", is the last one on the disc.

I'll have that Hurt remix snippet very soon! I helped the guy get import
vinyl for Korn's Follow The Leader so he's going to let me have the
sampler disc. :)

Thanks for the Porcelain reviews, everybody. :)

I found a UHF CD for sale for 2.75 pounds. Takers, anybody? The seller
will give you a free Honey postcard with any purchase. (there's some
other postcards, too, like for the new Depeche single) I also found a
song called "Hymn" by Ultramarine. Can anybody tell me about it? I have
a song by them called "Lights In My Brain" which is pretty good. It's on
the Maximum Electronica CD that Elektra put out with FSR and Dog Heaven
(lopez) on it.

>>> 1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
ATINITBL (House Of Suffering), James Bond Theme, M-Four

>>> 2. same as 1., except  moby album?
????

>>>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it
be?
Do you want to be more famous, and if so, do you have a public goal that
the fame would help you acheive?

>>> 4. same as 3 but not serious?
What is that Japanese Sex Painting thing?

>>> 5. who's the greatest mc?
My dad was a good mc at the cub scout awards when I was a kid.

>>> 6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
> animal-fur-free, duh.
No.

>>> 7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie?
No.

>>> 8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
Moby & Space Ghost VS. Sifl & Ollie
Moby with a carrot VS. Ted Nugent with a pork chop
Evil Ninja Moby VS. Rob Zombie
Moby vs. Rhode Island
(he's such a little guy that I'd hesitate to put him against Wyoming,
even if the human population is low, thay have lots of bears like Yogi
that could be dangerous)

>>> 9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT
>>>like? he seems to like everything...
By implication. He says he usually only remixes songs he doesn't like.

>>> 10. which came first, the moby or the egg?
According the Alarkaist manifesto, the Zreekoos were the first to
determine the scarcity ratio of the purple polka-dot egg. Despite the
oppression of Bumbaalasts, (mainly resource abuse by way of military
might) the Alarkaians were able to prove the Zreekoos' determinations
false, thereby ensuring that for the next 1000 years peoples all over
the world would recognize the blue-striped eggs as arriving first, long
before the purple polka-dot and green-squiggle-on-plaid eggs. I'm not
sure where Moby fits into this history, so my answer is: I don't know.
Are there any post-Alarkaist egg theory experts around here to serenade
us with yolky folky ramblings? I'll bring Easter dye.

-Ztev

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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) burning hurt porcelain eggs
Date: 11 Feb 1999 18:39:07 -0000

could you please mail me details about the uhf CD
[e-mail]


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 5:11 PM


>Promos of the Clash tribute, which is to be called "London Burning", are
>now floating around out there. I think Moby & Heather Nova's track,
>"Straight To Hell", is the last one on the disc.
>
>I'll have that Hurt remix snippet very soon! I helped the guy get import
>vinyl for Korn's Follow The Leader so he's going to let me have the
>sampler disc. :)
>
>Thanks for the Porcelain reviews, everybody. :)
>
>I found a UHF CD for sale for 2.75 pounds. Takers, anybody? The seller
>will give you a free Honey postcard with any purchase. (there's some
>other postcards, too, like for the new Depeche single) I also found a
>song called "Hymn" by Ultramarine. Can anybody tell me about it? I have
>a song by them called "Lights In My Brain" which is pretty good. It's on
>the Maximum Electronica CD that Elektra put out with FSR and Dog Heaven
>(lopez) on it.
>
>>>> 1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
>ATINITBL (House Of Suffering), James Bond Theme, M-Four
>
>>>> 2. same as 1., except  moby album?
>????
>
>>>>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it
>be?
>Do you want to be more famous, and if so, do you have a public goal that
>the fame would help you acheive?
>
>>>> 4. same as 3 but not serious?
>What is that Japanese Sex Painting thing?
>
>>>> 5. who's the greatest mc?
>My dad was a good mc at the cub scout awards when I was a kid.
>
>>>> 6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>> animal-fur-free, duh.
>No.
>
>>>> 7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie?
>No.
>
>>>> 8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
>Moby & Space Ghost VS. Sifl & Ollie
>Moby with a carrot VS. Ted Nugent with a pork chop
>Evil Ninja Moby VS. Rob Zombie
>Moby vs. Rhode Island
>(he's such a little guy that I'd hesitate to put him against Wyoming,
>even if the human population is low, thay have lots of bears like Yogi
>that could be dangerous)
>
>>>> 9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT
>>>>like? he seems to like everything...
>By implication. He says he usually only remixes songs he doesn't like.
>
>>>> 10. which came first, the moby or the egg?
>According the Alarkaist manifesto, the Zreekoos were the first to
>determine the scarcity ratio of the purple polka-dot egg. Despite the
>oppression of Bumbaalasts, (mainly resource abuse by way of military
>might) the Alarkaians were able to prove the Zreekoos' determinations
>false, thereby ensuring that for the next 1000 years peoples all over
>the world would recognize the blue-striped eggs as arriving first, long
>before the purple polka-dot and green-squiggle-on-plaid eggs. I'm not
>sure where Moby fits into this history, so my answer is: I don't know.
>Are there any post-Alarkaist egg theory experts around here to serenade
>us with yolky folky ramblings? I'll bring Easter dye.
>
>-Ztev
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>




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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 11 Feb 1999 18:43:21 -0000


>
>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
 bring back my happiness

>2. some as 1., except  moby album?
mixed and remixed (i would have preferred sperate songs except mixed
together!!)

>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?
when are you touring Northern Ireland

>4. same as 3 but not serious?
can i have back stage passes

>5. who's the greatest mc?
the one from the prodigy

>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>animal-fur-free, duh.
what would be the point of that


>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>couldnt tell. ROCK!
no as i would never see it

>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
me


>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>seems to like everything...
i think it's better he dosent go round bad mouthing people

>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...
well moby is a legend in his own lunch time it was the egg he rolled to get
there





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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 11 Feb 1999 18:43:21 -0000


>
>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
 bring back my happiness

>2. some as 1., except  moby album?
mixed and remixed (i would have preferred sperate songs except mixed
together!!)

>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?
when are you touring Northern Ireland

>4. same as 3 but not serious?
can i have back stage passes

>5. who's the greatest mc?
the one from the prodigy

>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>animal-fur-free, duh.
what would be the point of that


>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>couldnt tell. ROCK!
no as i would never see it

>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
me


>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>seems to like everything...
i think it's better he dosent go round bad mouthing people

>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...
well moby is a legend in his own lunch time it was the egg he rolled to get
there





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) first timer!
Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:29:25 -0500 (EST)

Hi! Okay my name is Brett McSherry, i've been a huge fan of this guy Moby here for a number of years. It wasn't until a few months back that I met another fan who had told me about mobility!

That guy could still be here I don't know. It was strange though, because I live in Canada in a small city called Burlington (about a twenty minute drive to an even bigger city Toronto). Very rarely do I meet someone who knows who Moby is.

Most of my friends make fun of me for being such a fan of this guy, everyone thinks im nuts. *But I'm sure others on the list have had that problem to!*

Name: Same as above Brett McSherry

Age: 21

Gender: Male

What's in my Moby collection: 3 different versions of Animal Rights ~one which includes the Little Idiot disk, Everything is Wrong, Moby, Early Underground, The Story so far, I like to Score, Ambient, Moby Cd-rom, EIW mixed and remixed, End of everything, and way to many singles to mention (about 25-35) or so!

When I first heard of Moby: When most of my friends were getting into Nirvana and anything alternative, or Naughty by Nature and anything rap, as the majority of young culture was, I first heard the song *GO*, and said what the hell was that, let's hear it again! Ever since I have been a huge fan of Moby, and anything electronic!

What other artists do I like: That would take awile for I like to believe I can listen to and like just about everyting (with the exception being country music) but here it goes: Dj Shadow, Machines of Loving Grace, KMFDM, Legion of Green Men, Catherine Wheel, NIN, Tea Party, Orb, Delerium, and a whole lot more!

That's about it, sorry for the long meesage, just doing my homework, as the message said to, I won't write anything to long next time. Bye for now!

Brett McSherry
"Reach for the moon,
for if you miss you may land among the stars!"

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:01:41 -0500

>
>>
>>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
Lets
see.........................................................................
......................................
............................................................................
............................................................................
............................................................................
.maybe My Love Will Never Die...

>>2. some as 1., except  moby album?
I'd have to say EU.

>>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?
Who is your biggest inspiration?

>>4. same as 3 but not serious?


>>5. who's the greatest mc?
I couldn't begin to say.....

>>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>>animal-fur-free, duh.
ummm.....no, not today.

>>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>>couldnt tell. ROCK!
ummm....no, not ever.  I personally prefer my humor a bit more intelligent...

>>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
Moby, Suzanne Vega, and Jewel v. Everclear
Moby v. (whoever the president of Elektra Records is)
Moby v. Keith Flynt (from Prodigy)

>>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>>seems to like everything...
never heard him say he disliked anyone's work...i think moby is taking the
view of a true artist in that he views the music for the music's sake.

>>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...
Definitely the egg.  I mean, moby's been around for 30-35 years tops, the
egg's been around for, what, at least 50,000,000?

There's my daily dose of input.
daniel
who recently had another hole put into his head.....
"I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter!" - Prodigy




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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) first timer!
Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:01:42 -0500

>Name: Same as above Brett McSherry
Welcome Aboard, Brett!
>
>What's in my Moby collection: 3 different versions of Animal Rights ~one
which >includes the Little Idiot disk, Everything is Wrong, Moby, Early
Underground, The Story >so far, I like to Score, Ambient, Moby Cd-rom, EIW
mixed and remixed, End of >everything, and way to many singles to mention
(about 25-35) or so!
>
Two questions: you say you have three versions of AR.  You mention the one
with LI, and I assume the second is the U.S. version with 16 tracks.  What's
the third?
Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone tell me
what "The Story So Far" is like?
>
>When I first heard of Moby: When most of my friends were getting into
Nirvana and >anything alternative, or Naughty by Nature and anything rap, as
the majority of young >culture was, I first heard the song *GO*, and said
what the hell was that, let's hear it >again! Ever since I have been a huge
fan of Moby, and anything electronic!
>
That's cool, someone else deciding to "buck the trend" as it were....

At any rate, welcome!

daniel

"I stopped outside a church house, where the citizens like to sit.  They say
they want the kingdom, but they don't want God in it..." - U2 with Johnny Cash




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From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 11 Feb 1999 18:21:08 -0600




> 1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?

"Party time"- it reminds me of c+c music factory.

> 2. some as 1., except  moby album?

Hard to say......they all suck so bad............

> 3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?

What is your favorite color?

> 4. same as 3 but not serious?

What is the average rainfall in the Amazon basin?

> 5. who's the greatest mc?

TC Islam is the best I've heard.

> 6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
> animal-fur-free, duh.

Seems to me there are plenty of shirts with Moby logos, etc. on them-MAYBE
someone beat you to the punch!

> 7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
> couldnt tell. ROCK!

Sorry, don't know what you're talking about.

 8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
>
Gumby

> 9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
> seems to like everything...

Yes-Am I the only one who remebers the speech at CMJ where he basically
said all radio was crap; citing the "Wallflowers"  as an example?  He also
said some pretty negative stuff about the "Chemical brothers"  and how they
were being called "avant guarde" for sampling hip-hop.(not in the same
speech)  'Course, if you look at it from his point of view, Moby and many
others were sampling hip-hop a long, long time before the chemical
brothers.  I'm more disturbed by the fact that he HASN'T said anything bad
about Axel Rose!

> 10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...

> They came at the same time.  In one alternate universe where there are no
eggs,  there is a commercial that would seem hilarious to us: "The
incredible, edible MOBY!"



MO



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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) stuff
Date: 11 Feb 1999 17:08:20 -0800 (PST)

uh..shit i forgot

answers to my own survey!!!!!

1. least fave moby song-republican party

2. album-ambient (but i like ambient...its just my least fave)

3. serious question-....damn, i cant think of one...

4. not serious...-whats up with the car in the honey video!!?!?!?!?

5. greatest mc-i dont know, rakim? maybe?

6. clothing line? of course not

7. sifl aan olly? duh, of course!

8. moby vs. ?????-uh, ill go with ted nuuuge

9. uh...what was 9?

10. moby or the egg......there is a point in time where time becomes a
loop...uh..wait...the moby-us band????

whatever

sifl n ollys on

np:the prodigy-out of space single


bye




==
"YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
-sifl and olly
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com




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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) oh yeah...
Date: 11 Feb 1999 17:11:16 -0800 (PST)


i remember moby said he didnt like prodigy's "smack my bitch up", even
tho he luvs prodigy

oh yes, my copy of move didnt come with a sticker. whutdafuck!?!?!?!

maybe pkn's did...they got it in 93 or so...i dont know ill have to
check all the places they have stickers of cds for..whatever...


oh yes, today in usatoday, it said about all this controversy that one
of the teletubbies is gay, so this reverend is saying that "as a
christian, i think that this is a bad role model for kids." or
something.

time out. oh god, this is so anti-moby. hes saying that he represents
all christians saying that homosexuality is bad. not only is it not
bad, but hes saying every christian thinks it is. not fucking true.

whatever. anyone know what im talking about???

bye



==
"YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
-sifl and olly
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com




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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) teletubbies?!?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 21:59:40 -0800

> oh yes, today in usatoday, it said about all this controversy that one
> of the teletubbies is gay, so this reverend is saying that "as a
> christian, i think that this is a bad role model for kids." or
> something.
>
> time out. oh god, this is so anti-moby. hes saying that he represents
> all christians saying that homosexuality is bad. not only is it not
> bad, but hes saying every christian thinks it is. not fucking true.
>
> whatever. anyone know what im talking about???
>

yup.  i know what you're talking about.  we discussed this in my english
media class today. or should i say my teacher ranted about it while my
class listened.  i'm thinking maybe i should give my teacher some info on
moby.  he'd probably find moby interesting.  one of the guys in my class
mentioned rage against the machine and my teacher got really interested
about how they hold such strong convictions and use their music as a way of
spreading awareness.  hmm... so maybe i should do moby for my independent
study on a pop culture icon...  *scratches chin in kelly type fashion*.
these first time moby experiences i've been collecting could come in
handy...

more moby meets english stuph:  we're doing a unit on james bond so i guess
i'm just going to have to mention moby's james bond theme!!! hehe  i'm
enjoying this too much!  peace.

-kelly

btw, econoline crush is looking for a new drummer.
[e-mail]  for all those people out there who might be
interested.  devil you know.  kickass album!




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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) teletubbies?!?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 23:09:56 -0600

From Paul:

>> oh yes, today in usatoday, it said about all this controversy that one
>> of the teletubbies is gay, so this reverend is saying that "as a
>> christian, i think that this is a bad role model for kids." or
>> something.
>>
>> time out. oh god, this is so anti-moby. hes saying that he represents
>> all christians saying that homosexuality is bad. not only is it not
>> bad, but hes saying every christian thinks it is. not fucking true.
>>
>> whatever. anyone know what im talking about???
>>

Yes.  The irrepressible reverend Jerry Falwell has decided to impart upon us
his infinite wisdom as usual.  If you saw the movie The Peole vs. Larry
Flynt, the preacher character was him.  Falwell is known for starting the
Moral Majority durring the Reagan era, more recently I noticed he declared
that the anti-christ was here on earth in the form of a jewish man.  He
represents the fringe of christianity in this country along with other such
icons as Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition.  Ignore him.  Though he
is right in some regard, most(repeat most, not ALL!) christians hold similar
beliefs, including the idea that homosexuality is wrong(in fact it is
specifically condemned in Leviticus and proscribes the death penatly for it!
Though lesbianism is allowed).  This gives insight as to Moby's beliefs.
From anything that I've read he claims that he holds dear the teachings of
Jesus Christ(love thy neighbor, be altruistic etc...) but doesn't subscribe
to the christian religion in its dogma or mysticism.


Now from Kelly:

>>snip<<one of the guys in my class
>mentioned rage against the machine and my teacher got really interested
>about how they hold such strong convictions and use their music as a way of
>spreading awareness.

Ha!  I've never been a fan of their music, and find them hypocritical at
best.  At least Moby attempts(and recognizes when he fails) to live what he
preaches in his "essays".  Machine, however, and their minions of followers
seem trapped in the very consummerism they abhor.  I find it funny to see
people wear 17 dollar RATM t-shirts, buying their merchandise and preaching
socialism/communism, but never acting on or understanding it.  Sorry,
digression, so let's move on...

>hmm... so maybe i should do moby for my independent
>study on a pop culture icon...  *scratches chin in kelly type fashion*.
>these first time moby experiences i've been collecting could come in
>handy...

I'd hate to see moby reduced to a pop culture icon.  in my opinion he is not
popular enough right now to be bastardized by the spice girl loving public,
and in a way I hope he doesn't.  Until the public matures enough to enjoy
music on a higher level, may moby continue to be adorred by fans that have
the capacity to appreciate him.




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) oh yeah...
Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:48:00 +0000 (GMT)

Yes, I know what you're talking about. I heard it on Radio
1 a couple of mornings ago and found it hilarious to think
this rev would put all his moral energy into such an
important issue - a teletubby that carries a handbag and
has all the characteristics of a gay stereotype? What? Knob!

My favourite teletubby is Po, cause she reminds me of
somone I knew very well.

Well, as already mentioned, if Moby finds that Prodigy song
offensive then maybe he shouldn't be hangin' around with Axl
Rose. The Beastie Boys also got all moral on the Prodigy
saying to an audience at a gig in the UK last year that
Prodigy shouldn't play that song, etc. Of course that gave
the Prodigy the incentive to tell them to fuck off and
they did it. It's funny that, cause the Beastie's weren't
all that PC in their early days and now they start telling
someone else what they should and shouldn't play.
Personally I think the title of the song is offensive, but
then what are The Prodigy really trying to say?

Still zero Moby airplay over here. I'm getting impatient
now!

TMB


On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:11:16 -0800 (PST) Paul Simpson
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> i remember moby said he didnt like prodigy's "smack my bitch up", even
> tho he luvs prodigy
>
> oh yes, my copy of move didnt come with a sticker. whutdafuck!?!?!?!
>
> maybe pkn's did...they got it in 93 or so...i dont know ill have to
> check all the places they have stickers of cds for..whatever...
>
>
> oh yes, today in usatoday, it said about all this controversy that one
> of the teletubbies is gay, so this reverend is saying that "as a
> christian, i think that this is a bad role model for kids." or
> something.
>
> time out. oh god, this is so anti-moby. hes saying that he represents
> all christians saying that homosexuality is bad. not only is it not
> bad, but hes saying every christian thinks it is. not fucking true.
>
> whatever. anyone know what im talking about???
>
> bye
>
>
>
> ==
> "YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
> RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
> -sifl and olly
> >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) oh yeah...
Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:48:00 +0000 (GMT)

Yes, I know what you're talking about. I heard it on Radio
1 a couple of mornings ago and found it hilarious to think
this rev would put all his moral energy into such an
important issue - a teletubby that carries a handbag and
has all the characteristics of a gay stereotype? What? Knob!

My favourite teletubby is Po, cause she reminds me of
somone I knew very well.

Well, as already mentioned, if Moby finds that Prodigy song
offensive then maybe he shouldn't be hangin' around with Axl
Rose. The Beastie Boys also got all moral on the Prodigy
saying to an audience at a gig in the UK last year that
Prodigy shouldn't play that song, etc. Of course that gave
the Prodigy the incentive to tell them to fuck off and
they did it. It's funny that, cause the Beastie's weren't
all that PC in their early days and now they start telling
someone else what they should and shouldn't play.
Personally I think the title of the song is offensive, but
then what are The Prodigy really trying to say?

Still zero Moby airplay over here. I'm getting impatient
now!

TMB


On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:11:16 -0800 (PST) Paul Simpson
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> i remember moby said he didnt like prodigy's "smack my bitch up", even
> tho he luvs prodigy
>
> oh yes, my copy of move didnt come with a sticker. whutdafuck!?!?!?!
>
> maybe pkn's did...they got it in 93 or so...i dont know ill have to
> check all the places they have stickers of cds for..whatever...
>
>
> oh yes, today in usatoday, it said about all this controversy that one
> of the teletubbies is gay, so this reverend is saying that "as a
> christian, i think that this is a bad role model for kids." or
> something.
>
> time out. oh god, this is so anti-moby. hes saying that he represents
> all christians saying that homosexuality is bad. not only is it not
> bad, but hes saying every christian thinks it is. not fucking true.
>
> whatever. anyone know what im talking about???
>
> bye
>
>
>
> ==
> "YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
> RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
> -sifl and olly
> >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Axl Rose collab?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 08:00:09 -0600

>Well, as already mentioned, if Moby finds that Prodigy song
>offensive then maybe he shouldn't be hangin' around with Axl
>Rose.

I remember reading in spin or somewhere, maybe it was this list, that the
reason GnR broke up was because Axl wanted to start experimenting with
"prodigy like" music, but that the rest of the band, especially slash wanted
to stick with the hard rock.  I then read that Axl was trying to do a solo
project and was looking for a producer, namely moby.  Whatever came of this?
Did Moby refuse or did Axl quit the project?





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From: "Williams, Chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Axl Rose collab?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 09:53:25 -0500

Moby realized in order to help GnR out, he would have to move to LA for an
extended period of time... guess he didn't like that idea, so they pulled
the plug.

> ----------
> From:     Christopher Michael Bourke[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Friday, February 12, 1999 9:00 AM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     (mobility) Axl Rose collab?
>
> >Well, as already mentioned, if Moby finds that Prodigy song
> >offensive then maybe he shouldn't be hangin' around with Axl
> >Rose.
>
> I remember reading in spin or somewhere, maybe it was this list, that the
> reason GnR broke up was because Axl wanted to start experimenting with
> "prodigy like" music, but that the rest of the band, especially slash
> wanted
> to stick with the hard rock.  I then read that Axl was trying to do a solo
> project and was looking for a producer, namely moby.  Whatever came of
> this?
> Did Moby refuse or did Axl quit the project?
>
>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:15:37 +0000

>>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
feeling so real
>>2. some as 1., except  moby album?
early underground

>>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?
Is it best to live a simple life?

>>4. same as 3 but not serious?
Coke or Pepsi?  or maybe Evian or Poland Spring?  hahaha

>>5. who's the greatest mc?
?

>>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>>animal-fur-free, duh.
nah, I like jcrew

>>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>>couldnt tell. ROCK!
?

>>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
either Moby vs. Kathy Lee Gifford or Moby vs. Oprah

>>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>>seems to like everything...
nope...I have heard praise though for Kenny Rogers...

>>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...
Definitely the egg.  I mean, moby's been around for 30-35 years tops, the
egg's been around for, what, at least 50,000,000? (ditto)


ummmm..

Again I ask this...Does the honey video exist anywhere online as a quicktime
movie or AVI?

arigatoo gozaimasu

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) teletubbies?!?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 08:24:58 -0500

I believe I've already weighed in on this one, but i can't resist......

Being a former Christian (4 years of a Catholic School where athletics is
the true god of the school board kinda beat it out of me), I cringe to
realize that the majority of the contact non-christians have with christians
is through falwell, robertson, bakker, and other zealots who preach their
narrow beliefs as fundamental christian dogma.  This thing with the
Teletubbies is just another example of the religious "right" running amok.

btw, and i thought this was funny, robertson was saying earlier in 1998 that
Disney World should be careful because God was upset that Disney offers
insurance to "life partners" (read Gay Lovers).  I believe the exact words
were "y'all should watch out, because there are a lot of hurricanes that go
through that area!"  The irony here is that, just after robertson said that,
a hurricane hit, coincidentally, South Carolina, coincidentally, in the town
where robertson films his show, the 700 club.  I remember hearing this and
imagining the execs at disney dancing in a circle chanting "now who's
laughing" a la the simpsons.

Anyways, the main reason falwell is upset probably is, you see, the
teletubbies have those television sets in their middles, and probably
wouldn't sell any airtime to falwell.  Therefore, following the thought
process falwell uses, one of the teletubbies must be gay.............

The opinions expressed above represent my own opinions, no one else's.

daniel

"....baddest and the best, megalomaniacal and harder than the rest..." - KMFDM

>The irrepressible reverend Jerry Falwell has decided to impart upon us
>his infinite wisdom as usual.  If you saw the movie The Peole vs. Larry
>Flynt, the preacher character was him.  Falwell is known for starting the
>Moral Majority durring the Reagan era, more recently I noticed he declared
>that the anti-christ was here on earth in the form of a jewish man.  He
>represents the fringe of christianity in this country along with other such
>icons as Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition.  Ignore him.  Though he
>is right in some regard, most(repeat most, not ALL!) christians hold similar
>beliefs, including the idea that homosexuality is wrong(in fact it is
>specifically condemned in Leviticus and proscribes the death penatly for it!
>Though lesbianism is allowed).  This gives insight as to Moby's beliefs.
>>From anything that I've read he claims that he holds dear the teachings of
>Jesus Christ(love thy neighbor, be altruistic etc...) but doesn't subscribe
>to the christian religion in its dogma or mysticism.




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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 09:11:04 PST

>Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone
tell me
>what "The Story So Far" is like?

I saw the story so far in a shop quite a # of years ago.  But, I believe
it's the UK version of the self titled album on Instinct records.  there
may or may not be a couple different songs, I just don't
remember...maybe someone who actually owns it could speak up? I remember
seeing 'Next is the E' UK version at that time as well and it didn't
have the song 'Thousand' on it.

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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #331
Date: 12 Feb 1999 09:27:06 PST

>From: Christopher Dovichak <[e-mail]>

>Before I go, one question--you guys keep talking about "Demons and
>Horses", I have never seen or heard of this. What's it like? Where can
I
>get it?

Demons/Horses is, IMO, the best Voodoo Child release.  It's dark,
repetitive trance.  Many Moby releases seem quite bouncy & happy.  Not
this one.  It sounds like the 'less innocent' side of Moby.  I would
definitely recommend it.  I periodically see it in the
'import-CD-singles' bin at my local record store but I hear (from people
on this list) that it's hard to come by.


>survey time!!!!!!!
>
>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?

Someone to Love (he's too whiney)

>2. some as 1., except  moby album?

AR (even though I like a ton of punk & metal bands)

>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?

Have you ever had a panic attack onstage?

>4. same as 3 but not serious?

Want to play bass for MY band?

>5. who's the greatest mc?

the prodigy fellow

>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>animal-fur-free, duh.

sure, why not...

>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>couldnt tell. ROCK!

no he should play two songs on SNL -or- he could cook some great vegan
recipes, New England style, with Martha Stewart.

>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?

Mazinga, Ultraman, or Ian McKaye

>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>seems to like everything...

I just hear him say that "most techno is crap",  "DJ's killed techno",
etc.

>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...

Moby's egg-shaped head.


>bye!!!!1
>


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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 18:08:36 +0000 (GMT)

'The Story so Far' has 'Thousand' on it and 'I feel it (I
feel it mix)' - which has someone stuttering n,ne,nex,
next, next is the,etc... is the e' on it. I've never
actually heard the track 'Next is the E', to the best of my
conscious knowledge. I quite like a lot of the stuff on it,
though some would say it's a bit dated now. Why do people
say that, by the way? Does it mean only the latest stuff is
good and all the old stuff is crap in techno world, or what?
You can only like the new stuff, or you're not trendy
enough?

Anyway, it's also got two versions of 'Go' on it - one of
them is the 'woodtick mix' and can't remember the other.

Okay I'll try and remember some of the tracks (don't listen
to it much): Ah-Ah, I feel it (i feel it mix), Slight
return, Thousand, Go (? mix), Go (woodtick mix), shit can't
remember any more, sorry - brain fuzzy. Anyone else like to
have a go?

TMB

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:11:04 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone
> tell me
> >what "The Story So Far" is like?
>
> I saw the story so far in a shop quite a # of years ago.  But, I believe
> it's the UK version of the self titled album on Instinct records.  there
> may or may not be a couple different songs, I just don't
> remember...maybe someone who actually owns it could speak up? I remember
> seeing 'Next is the E' UK version at that time as well and it didn't
> have the song 'Thousand' on it.
>
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From: McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 14:03:31 -0500

>>Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone
>tell me
>>what "The Story So Far" is like?
>
>I saw the story so far in a shop quite a # of years ago.  But, I believe
>it's the UK version of the self titled album on Instinct records.  there
>may or may not be a couple different songs, I just don't
>remember...maybe someone who actually owns it could speak up? I remember
>seeing 'Next is the E' UK version at that time as well and it didn't
>have the song 'Thousand' on it.
>
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First off, with regards to Animal Rights, I have the UK imort twice, one
with Little Idiot, and one without. After purchasing the US version, I
heard "My Love Will Never Die", and thought it was great, and bought the UK
import for $11.99, shortly after I found that same import with the bonus
disk, and well, I just had to have that so now I have three. THere is also
a japenese import floating around with a couple bonus tracks I don't know
the names of them I'm afraid, and have heard one person mention to me that
they saw a version of Animal rights, with additional live tracks on it. I
have never seen this listed anywhere, and don't know if it's all that true,
maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

Also The Story so far actually has two different versions, the first
version is the same as the "Moby" self titled album, except for one change
the song Drop a Beat was dropped (pardon the pun) for the song Thousand.
The reissue brought out a few months later saw a remix of Go, I feel it,
and help me to believe. All of which including Thousand are on the Rarities
and B-sides double disk.

So if you have the self titled "Moby", and the rarities double disk, then
you have everything on the Story so Far.

Brett McSherry





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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:18:07 +0000 (GMT)


On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:03:31 -0500 McSherry
<[e-mail]> wrote:

hey saw a version of Animal rights, with additional live tracks on it. I
> have never seen this listed anywhere, and don't know if it's all that true,
> maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

I don't know if they mean the 4 live tracks from AR on the
CD, 'Live at the Splash Club' in London? I got my one free
when I ordered a Moby t-shirt from [e-mail]
>
> Also The Story so far actually has two different versions, the first
> version is the same as the "Moby" self titled album, except for one change
> the song Drop a Beat was dropped (pardon the pun) for the song Thousand.
> The reissue brought out a few months later saw a remix of Go, I feel it,
> and help me to believe.


> Brett McSherry

I'm sure my 'story so far' has 'Thousand' AND 'Drop a beat'?
Will have to have a look, if I ever get home!?

Tim.



>
>
>

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From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 15:17:02 -0500

>>
>> Also The Story so far actually has two different versions, the first
>> version is the same as the "Moby" self titled album, except for one change
>> the song Drop a Beat was dropped (pardon the pun) for the song Thousand.
>> The reissue brought out a few months later saw a remix of Go, I feel it,
>> and help me to believe.
>
>
>> Brett McSherry
>
>I'm sure my 'story so far' has 'Thousand' AND 'Drop a beat'?
>Will have to have a look, if I ever get home!?
>
>Tim.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>----------------------
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>Cranfield University
>[e-mail]


Hmmm... I think then that you have the reissue of The Story so far, it does
contain a newer version of Drop a beat, and still keeps the song Thousand
on it. The first issue, which is long gone by now, was indeed the same as
the Instinct release of Moby, yet Drop a Beat which is the first track off
the album is gone, and Thousand is brought in, and appears at the end of
the Story so far.

Now this is only in the very fist version of Story so far, the reissue does
include a variety of new songs (all of are on the rarities disk, or the
Moby disk), and a completely different track listing.


Sorry for not being very clear the first time. My bad...


Brett McSherry



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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Date: 12 Feb 1999 13:39:30 -0500

Thanks for the info...i'll stop looking around for it seeing as
(technically) I already have it...

daniel

"Confusion in her eyes says it all...she's lost control" - Joy Div.

>So if you have the self titled "Moby", and the rarities double disk, then
>you have everything on the Story so Far.
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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Animal Rights CDs ...6 of them
Date: 12 Feb 1999 13:01:11 PST


Trivial info: There are 6 official Moby CDs with the title Animal
Rights. 5 of these have music on them.

AR - US version
AR - UK version
AR - UK version w/ Little Idiot
AR - Japan issue, same as US with "New Dawn Fades" as a bonus track
AR - Interview CD
AR - Live At The Splash Club (includes 4 of 7 officially released Live
At The Splash Club songs, the other 3 are on Come On Baby singles)

Splash Club songs:

ATINITBL (Come On Baby)
Go (Come On Baby)
Hymn (Come On Baby Ltd. 2CD only)
Someone To Love (Elektra Revolver promo, Splash Club CD
You (Elektra Revolver promo, Splash Club CD)
Say It's All Mine (Splash Club CD)
Face It (Splash Club CD)

-S

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From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:28:05 -0600

 I'm sorry to hear that moby didn't like the title of this song.  How
 narrow-minded for an open-minded guy!  If the title of this song offends
 you, and that stupid loser that ruined the prodigy doesn't(the dumbshit
 "singer"), you have some problems.

 #1  It's called freedom of speech, baby!

 #2  Does the title actually mean anything?  If so, don't buy prodigy cds.
 I hope you don't buy them anyway.  I have some of their old cds from when
 they were good, but I bought them all used, so I didn't give them any
money.

 #3  Did it ever occur to anyone that 9 out of 10 people who are "offended"
 by this song title like stuff like "Bobby Digital" , Wu-Tang, etc.  In
which there is not a single song that goes by without enormous amounts of
women-degredation,  violence, etc.  Almost every popular hip-hop group/solo
artist out there, including the women (Foxy Brown)  degrade women.  It
 doesn't bother me, 'cause whenever you  degrade someone else, you just
 prove how shallow and frightened you are.  I listen to a lot of
Hardtrance,
 Gabber, and some old death metal, which all have disgusting connotations,
 but it  doesn't matter because these guys aren't serious, just releasing
anger.  At least some of those famous(read infamous) rappers actually
believe that women are inferior and good for "dick-suck purposes only"  If
you buy albums of crap like Boby digital, then you are supporting the
problem.  It's like paying someone to piss on you(unless you like that
stuff......)

#4 If Moby is not into smacking bitches up, then why hang out even for a
 second with a pathetic prick like Axl Rose?  He was charged with beating
 his wife, in case you don't remember.

#5  "Bitch" means female dog, so maybe we should feel sorry for any dogs
 owned by the prodigy.

 #6  The word "Bitch" is widely used on males, also.  I've called my
friends
 bitches before(male and female)  in a jestly sort of way, and vice versa.
 Just about everyone I've ever met has called friends by names like that.
 If it offends you you're gonna have a very hard life.

Lighten up people!  What's in a name?

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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) moby as pop culture
Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:22:21 -0800

> I'd hate to see moby reduced to a pop culture icon.  in my opinion he is
not
> popular enough right now to be bastardized by the spice girl loving
public,
> and in a way I hope he doesn't.  Until the public matures enough to enjoy
> music on a higher level, may moby continue to be adorred by fans that
have
> the capacity to appreciate him.
>

Hmm... I'm not going to really comment on the ratm points brought up
before.  i like them.  and i think its cool that they stand up for
something aside from the almight dollar.  i could go on for hours
discussing the ethics and moral implications of writing socially aware
music.  yes, a lot of the people listen to rage are hypocrits.  but then
again, those are probably the people jumping on the bandwagon, only
listening to rage because their friends do.  but whatever.  this is a moby
list, not a ratm list.

anyway, i think i used the wrong term when describing my project.  its a
pop culture artifact and not icon.  like it or not, moby is pop culture.
pretty much everything is.  and what's so wrong with pop culture?  marilyn
manson.  coke.  james bond. ER.  what do all those have in common?  pop
culture!  give it another name if you want. alternative. folk culture.
underground.  its all still pop culture.  then again, i might have a
different definition of pop culture because i study it in skool.  or not.

another thing. who are we do say that the rest of the public can't enjoy
moby's music?  he creates music (or at least i HOPE he creates music)
because he loves it and he wants to share it with the world.  not a few
select people.  sure, moby will never score a top 40 hit unless he modifies
his sound like so many other artists have. but that's no reason to say only
a select few can listen to his music.  (this subject was already debated on
the orbital list so i think i'll avoid getting into it any further)

just because someone likes the spice girls, does that mean their taste in
music is horrible and they should never be allowed to walk out of a HMV
with anything other than bubblegum music?  hell... moby likes the spice
girls.  does that mean he sucks? i don't think so.

my point?  i don't know. maybe i don't have one.  maybe i'm going out on a
limb here. for all i know i'm the only one with these views.  but just
because we got into moby before the person down the street, does that give
us the right to dictate who can and can't buy his music.  sure, i get
annoyed when some stupid poser airhead gushes about how much they love one
of my fave bands... but hey, what am i going to do? rip the cd out of their
hands? i doubt it.

yadda yadda yadda...
to each his own.
these are just my thoughts.  no flame intended.  pop culture isn't as bad
as everyone makes it out to be.  peace.

-kelly



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From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) survey!!!!!!!/eu
Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:52:24 PST


>survey time!!!!!!!
>
>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
I am not as fond of UHF as moby's other songs.
>2. some as 1., except  moby album?
Hmmm...probably AR but it is still a great album.
>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?
 I cannot think of one.
>4. same as 3 but not serious?
 CAn you prove that you exist?
>5. who's the greatest mc?
 I may have a different definiton of MC than you all...I would say Chuck
D of Public Enemy.
>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>animal-fur-free, duh.
 All I can say is this reminds me of when I first heard of Wu-Wear.
>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>couldnt tell. ROCK!
 Heck no...moby should be on Politically Incorrect or Nightline.
>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
 Old Dirty Bastard or Master P (it would be very interesting).
>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>seems to like everything...
 I cannot recall.
>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...
 It does not matter...neither REALLY exist...j/k
>
Jake
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"You can blow out a candle, but you cannot blow out a fire. Once the
flames begin to catch, the wind will blow them higher"-Peter Gabriel
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From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:04:00 PST


> #3  Did it ever occur to anyone that 9 out of 10 people who are
"offended"
> by this song title like stuff like "Bobby Digital" , Wu-Tang, etc.  In
>which there is not a single song that goes by without enormous amounts
of
>women-degredation,  violence, etc.  Almost every popular hip-hop
group/solo
>artist out there, including the women (Foxy Brown)  degrade women.  It
> doesn't bother me, 'cause whenever you  degrade someone else, you just
> prove how shallow and frightened you are.  I listen to a lot of
>Hardtrance,
> Gabber, and some old death metal, which all have disgusting
connotations,
> but it  doesn't matter because these guys aren't serious, just
releasing
>anger.  At least some of those famous(read infamous) rappers actually
>believe that women are inferior and good for "dick-suck purposes only"
If
>you buy albums of crap like Boby digital, then you are supporting the
>problem.  It's like paying someone to piss on you(unless you like that
>stuff......)

I do not agree with this...most people if not all that I know that
listen to "stuff like Bobby Digital" would laugh off the title as they
would the lyrics in Dr. Dre's "Bitches ain't shit". I would believe only
my grandmother and very conservative christians would be offended...but
thats just my opionon. I also find "Crap like Bobby Digital" to be very
insightful and different from a lot of other rap out there. Wu-Tang is
one of those popular hip-hop groups that has gone very far without
having the support of commerical tv and radio until recently.
Have you listened to Bobby Digital?
I needed to say this...I hear people bitching about hip-hop and rap all
the time. I don't always think people understand what goes on in the
lives of some of these people. (yes there are those like Puffy who did
not grow up in poverty, but many of them rap about their lives). If you
listen to people like Too $hort I think you can tell he does not
actually believe women are like that. He fantasizes just like any other
guy or girl who writes and sings about the opposite sex.

Anway...

as for moby. I did not read it anywhere, but is "Play" only supposed to
be coming out in the UK or is it going to be out in the US as well?

Jake
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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:51:35 -0800

>  I'm sorry to hear that moby didn't like the title of this song.  How
>  narrow-minded for an open-minded guy!  If the title of this song offends
>  you, and that stupid loser that ruined the prodigy doesn't(the dumbshit
>  "singer"), you have some problems.

yo...

i remember hearing someone explain that "smack my bitch up" means turn up
the volume or something?

whatever.
its called shock value.
if people didn't buy into this shock your parents crap, it wouldn't be
selling so much.
its a crappy song anyway.  and i never really cared all that much for the
prodigy.
*shrugs*
to each his own.

violence against women is wrong wrong wrong.
violence against anyone is pretty damn horrible.
violence solves nothing.

but i don't think listening to a crapola dance song is goign to cause a boy
to run out and beat up his girlfriend.  kids are smarter than that.  we
dont give them enough credit. if moby doesn't like the song, good for him.
neither do i.  but everyone else out there, dislike or like the song for
your own reasons, not "because moby said so". so what's the general view on
this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at being
bad boys? comments?

i think we should all pitch in money to buy moby an internet connection for
his next b-day.  i think he'd be amused by all these discussions we get
into.  heh. or not. its just an idea.

-kelly

now playing: pretty when you cry- VAST.  (i'm really liking this vast
stuph. anyone else out there checked out this cd yet?)

"If you were happy every day of your life, you wouldn't be a human being.
You'd be a game show host." - 'Heathers




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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Into the Blue
Date: 14 Feb 1999 14:08:31 +0900

Can someone tell me if there is more than one into the blue single? Since I
only have the CD with me, I don't know what the covers look like but my track
listing is:
1.Voodoo Child Mix
2.Spiritual Mix
3.Simple Mix
4.Uplifting 4 Beat Mix
5.Summer Wind Mix
6.The Buzz Boys Main Room Mayhem Mix
But, today someone sent me info on a CD with this listing (in some order?)
simple mix, voodoo child mix, underground mix, uplifting 4 beat mix and
summer night mix
Is this a different CD? Does anyone know the situation? Thanks a lot.
AJ



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Prodigy...
Date: 13 Feb 1999 02:48:13 -0600 (CST)

While Moby may not like the implications made by the lyrics or title of "Smack
My Bitch Up", I feel that it is everyone's own duty to decide what it actually
means.  I have an audio documentary CD of the Prodigy, and in it, Either Liam
Howlett or Keith Flint reveals that in this song, the "Bitch" is actually the
song:  meaning that the song should be smacked - played loud - bass pumped up -
vocals screaming.  It does not in fact, promote violence.  I think the video
for the song in a way, pokes fun at all the naysayers by in effect, turning
their abusive male (the one "smacking up the bitch") into a female.

I love the song.  It has an awesomely powerful sound and I think that the
lyrics only add to the emotion and feeling of the piece.  Besides, that "Smack"
sample did not originate with the Prodigy.  It came from the UltraMagnetic
M.C.'s.

andy
gingerbread man



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 13 Feb 1999 04:58:30 EST

In a message dated 2/12/99 9:52:15 PM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< now playing: pretty when you cry- VAST.  (i'm really liking this vast
 stuph. anyone else out there checked out this cd yet?) >>
 i got the cd, but pretty when you cry is one of the only songs i like on it.
it's not bad, but not one of my favs. as to moby, i got to listen to porcelin
and really can't wait untill play comes out. i've been listening to consumed
from plastikman and ambient a lot lately. i also like the honey cd(orange) and
think memory gospel is right up there with GMOTFOTW. as to prodigy, i like
their old stuff, but their new cd isn't to good. whoever is upset with "smack
my bitch up" should take a listen to "put it in my mouth", i forgot who sings
it.
thats all for now
andrew



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) vast
Date: 13 Feb 1999 09:00:48 EST

i saw the video ...
but i didnt know if the whole cd was going to sound as good so i didnt buy it
... is it ???

thanks ---

Qg0



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy...
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:00:22 +0000 (GMT)

Yes, I thought it didn't actually mean beating up women
and the video was actually getting a dig at violent men
(but actually it was a violent woman? I only saw some of
it once!) - thanks for clarifying that. The title in it's
literal sense is offensive to me, but then it's worth
finding out what is actually being said before bringing out
the flame-throwers. Personally, I prefer their old stuff.
However 'smack my ....'is the only relatively recent one of
theirs I like. I think it's great to dance to in some clubs.

However, Moby...there I mentioned it! Yes, thousand AND
drop a beat are on my copy of Story so far, along with
slight return, stream, heaven...., etc.

TMB

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:48:13 -0600 (CST)
[e-mail] wrote:

> While Moby may not like the implications made by the lyrics or title of "Smack
> My Bitch Up", I feel that it is everyone's own duty to decide what it actually
> means.  I have an audio documentary CD of the Prodigy, and in it, Either Liam
> Howlett or Keith Flint reveals that in this song, the "Bitch" is actually the
> song:  meaning that the song should be smacked - played loud - bass pumped up -
> vocals screaming.  It does not in fact, promote violence.  I think the video
> for the song in a way, pokes fun at all the naysayers by in effect, turning
> their abusive male (the one "smacking up the bitch") into a female.
>
> I love the song.  It has an awesomely powerful sound and I think that the
> lyrics only add to the emotion and feeling of the piece.  Besides, that "Smack"
> sample did not originate with the Prodigy.  It came from the UltraMagnetic
> M.C.'s.
>
> andy
> gingerbread man
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) moby vs. the prodigy
Date: 13 Feb 1999 07:03:08 -0800 (PST)

hey now theres a deathmatch.....


anyway, i heard moby saying this about the prodigy in a transcription
of a chat on yahoo. im sure someone from thiss list was in  that
chat!?!?!?!?


anyway, what he said was that he hated the song, even though he loved
the prodigy. he didnt really blast the prodigy, or say he was
offended. he just hates that song. but i think he said he kind of
liked the video...

its not like mobys gone pro-censorship or anything...

um, like, ah, oh yes, in the new issue of cmj NMM, they have a review
of the new Mocean Worker LP, and it says its reccomended if you like
Moby's 007 theme...

also, who said Someone To Love is Moby's worst song!?!?! thats my fave
song on AR (arguably, since all of them are great). whatever, to each
his or her own.

oh yes, the wallflowers...they suck ass....i much preffer the other
dylan...

bye!!!!!
==
"YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
-sifl and olly
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:43:11 +0000

So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
'92.)

Ed



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) The Story so far
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:46:35 +0000


 [e-mail]

Ah Ah, I feel it, Everything, Mercy, Help me to Believe, Go (woodtick
mix) Yeah, Drop a Beat(the new version), Thousand, Slight Return, Go
(subliminal mix unedited version), Stream.


There that's what's on my 'The Story so Far.'

I think it's not my favourite Moby CD in my collection.  I didn't
think that 'I like to score' was crash hot either although it's got a
couple of gems on and I prefer it to TSSF.  I think the best albums
are Animal Rights, Everything is wrong and the remixes of EIW.  At
least they are my favourite ones.


Ed



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy...
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:52:50 EST

i like prodigy always have ... but there vid- for "smack my bitch up" was not
there idea... they had nothing to do with it really ... i forget who it was
but he was right ... about how they meant more the music / beats as the bitch
not actually a reference to a woman ... .

---Qg0



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:43:11 +0000

So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
'92.)

Ed



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) The Story so far
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:46:35 +0000


 [e-mail]

Ah Ah, I feel it, Everything, Mercy, Help me to Believe, Go (woodtick
mix) Yeah, Drop a Beat(the new version), Thousand, Slight Return, Go
(subliminal mix unedited version), Stream.


There that's what's on my 'The Story so Far.'

I think it's not my favourite Moby CD in my collection.  I didn't
think that 'I like to score' was crash hot either although it's got a
couple of gems on and I prefer it to TSSF.  I think the best albums
are Animal Rights, Everything is wrong and the remixes of EIW.  At
least they are my favourite ones.


Ed



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From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) AR Live CD
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:56:44 -0600

I recently found the Animal Rights Live at the Splash club 4-track for 8 us
dollars.
Is it worth buying?

kevin
craigras+AEA-msn.com






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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Into the Blue / Drop A Beat / SSF
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:11:38 -0700

AJ Brustein wrote:
>Can someone tell me if there is more than one into the blue single? Since I
>only have the CD with me, I don't know what the covers look like but my track
>listing is:
>1.Voodoo Child Mix
>2.Spiritual Mix
>3.Simple Mix
>4.Uplifting 4 Beat Mix
>5.Summer Wind Mix
>6.The Buzz Boys Main Room Mayhem Mix
>But, today someone sent me info on a CD with this listing (in some order?)
>simple mix, voodoo child mix, underground mix, uplifting 4 beat mix and
>summer night mix
>Is this a different CD? Does anyone know the situation? Thanks a lot.

Yes, it's a different CD.  I have both.  What you have is the UK #2
single.  The one with the Underground Mix is the German #2 single.
There are also UK and German #1 CD singles ("Into The Blue", not
"Into The Blue Remixes").

IMHO all 4 (UK & German) CD singles are worth having for completist
collectors.  I only have 3 (I'm missing German #1, with the Hard
Mix).  The covers of the UK and German #2 singles are the same --
red inverse-ish pictures of Moby underwater.  The CDs have the same
design on them (Moby's hand underwater), but the German one is
markedly fainter, at least on my copies.  There is also a variation
on UK #1 that drops "Shining" and adds two Junior Vasquez remixes.
So there are basically 5 versions of the "Into The Blue" CD single.

The only reason that you would be interested in the German single(s)
if you already have the UK would be for the remixes by "Steve Mason
and P.E.T.E." -- the Hard Mix on CD#1 and the Underground Mix on #2.
These are good remixes.  I especially like the Underground Mix,
which is over eight minutes long.  It has a breezy nighttime techno
backdrop with an eerily tweaked-up "I fly" vocal sample, making for
a pleasant, exotic remix.  The Hard Mix, which I only have on vinyl,
is (as I recall it (I haven't listened to it recently)) a poundier
surf's-up kind of track. :)  Anyways, these remixes are rare & cool.

[e-mail] wrote:
>So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
>and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
>'92.)

The original version is better.  The new version is shorter (just
over two and a half minutes), adds a vocal sample that sounds like
"I don't know 'bout you but I'm good", and is more punchy/hardcore
than the crisp original version.  The new version seems to be
designed just to work a live crowd into a frenzy, which it probably
does.  From what I've heard, Moby always plays The New Version of
DAB in his live performances.

_The Story So Far_ is a great album.  And unlike Instinct's _Rare_,
which puts a fade-out on "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" and calls it
the Club Mix, SSF gives you the full version of this classic track
without the fade-out.  Since "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" was the
first version of that song that I heard, and also one of the tracks
that was instrumental in making me a Moby fan, I consider it to be
the definitive version of the song.  It's well worth the effort to
obtain (and I had to search for *years* before I found it).

Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/
NP:  Petra, _On Fire!_, "Somebody's Gonna Praise His Name"




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From: "kristy radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:33:48 PST

the title of this song.  How


>i remember hearing someone explain that "smack my bitch up" means >turn
up
>the volume or something?

yea i read the same thing.
the lyrics go:
"turn my pitch up
smack my bitch up"

i'm tired of people taking everything for face value without first
knowing what the hell is going on.  let's all grow up people.
and i'm really realllllllly sick of people going on and on about how
people buy the disc because they want to shock their parents.  how bout
they just like the music and they might actually have half a brain
enough to realise that "violence doesn't solve anything."

oh an in reference to the idea that we should pitch in and get Moby an
internet connection....i think he'd actually think it was great that we
are all able to discuss this shit like normal human beings.

kristy

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From: **** <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) prodigy
Date: 13 Feb 1999 13:35:09 CST

>violence against women is wrong wrong wrong. =

  violence against anyone is pretty damn horrible. =

 > violence solves nothing. =


i do believe in this... i don't like violence at all.   =


but i read once that the Prodigy only made the song and called it "smack =
my
bitch up" because they knew that everyone would make a big deal about it.=
  i
don't even think that they were thinking about domestic violence when the=
y
made it, they just wanted to show how worked-up the public could get over=
 one
of their songs.   it was kind of a psychology experiment to see if people=

would go nuts over it (and they did).  and i think they wanted to kind of=

"thumb their noses" at music-censors.

personally i like the song and love Prodigy.  =


but  i think this proves that sometimes if there is something that people=

don't like, ignoring it is the best way to rid yourself of it... and that=

causing a big public outcry about it will only add fuel to the fire (and =
make
the song go platinum :).  =


it's just like the  2 Live Crew, you know?   =


____________________________________________________________

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[e-mail] =

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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST

so what's the general view on
>this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
being
>bad boys? comments?

You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...

but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
than Prodigy.

$.02,

--a

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From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) it's the prodigy
Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:15:29 -0600


>'Music for the jilted generation' was their
>best, IMO.
>
>but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
>than Prodigy.

agree, agree
amen

Kevin
[e-mail]






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From: Dan Silver <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) vast
Date: 13 Feb 1999 17:39:15 -0500

Vast is awesome, my favorite CD from 1998, along with GLU and Deep Dish.
It is a wonderful CD, changing paces a bunch of times.  Recommended to
all.

                        -Dan



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From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Double Tap
Date: 13 Feb 1999 18:26:43 -0500

The film in which Moby had done the entire original score for, was released
into  the video market in North America on Jan. 26 1999. So anyone wanting
to see it should try the local video stores and see if they have a copy or
two for rent.

It however, is not available to buy. The company making the tape will not
start selling the movie to the mass market for at least a couple of months.
It has a listing price at the moment for $89.99, but will surely go down in
price once it is released to the mass market.

It looks like a bad movie but who knows maybe it'll suprise us. It would
still be interesting to watch it for the musical score done by Moby!!! The
songs released on "I like to Score", "Novio" and I believe the other was
"Nash", were pretty good songs (simple but good), and should be in the
movie somewhere.


Brett McSherry



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From: "the bergstroms" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) vast
Date: 13 Feb 1999 19:06:42 -0800

> i saw the video ...
> but i didnt know if the whole cd was going to sound as good so i didnt
buy it
> ... is it ???

oh man...
i just bought the CD today.  i bought it after hearing pretty when you cry
and touched and i have to say, i'm in love! pretty when you cry is the
worst track on the album. and i sorta like that track, so that's pretty
good.

it is by far the best CD i've bought (so far) this year.
and that's saying a lot, considering most of my purchases have been moby
and richie hawtin related, who are two of my faves...

this guy is amazing.  the last track. beautiful.
this is the best debute album i've heard in a LONG time.
its hard to believe this guy is only 21!

i'm pretty sure the VAST (hehe) majority of the list would like this cd.
but that's just my two cents.

-kelly

now playing: polygon window!!!!!!!



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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) The Story so far
Date: 14 Feb 1999 00:21:55 +0000 (GMT)

That's weird I have all those except mercy#! I think I have
HEAVEN...something or other - I can't remember now! I'm
pretty pissed again tonight! You've got a
slightly different version to me anyways.

?

TMB

p.s. My mate nEIL IS WRITING TO YOU AT THE MOMENT. hE'S
GOING THROUGH similar relationship things to you so expect
to get a mail from him. We're both pretty pissed, so don't
expect to get much sense out of us!
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:46:35 +0000 [e-mail]
wrote:

>
>  [e-mail]
> To:            [e-mail]
> Subject: The story so far
> Date:          Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:40:01 GMT
>
> Ah Ah, I feel it, Everything, Mercy, Help me to Believe, Go (woodtick
> mix) Yeah, Drop a Beat(the new version), Thousand, Slight Return, Go
> (subliminal mix unedited version), Stream.
>
>
> There that's what's on my 'The Story so Far.'
>
> I think it's not my favourite Moby CD in my collection.  I didn't
> think that 'I like to score' was crash hot either although it's got a
> couple of gems on and I prefer it to TSSF.  I think the best albums
> are Animal Rights, Everything is wrong and the remixes of EIW.  At
> least they are my favourite ones.
>
>
> Ed
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 14 Feb 1999 00:25:47 +0000 (GMT)

Hey Ed,

Well how's it going?

I suppose I should come clean  and tell how I am.

My name is Neil Am I am a very good frind of Tim's who I
beleive you have a relationship with. You must excuse of my
bad pushing of the keys as I am some what pissed.

Tim tells me that you have just split up with your girly.
Heavy shit man, I have been there thier recently. Women hey
well what can I say. I suppose if there is nothing left you
have to move on with your life, easier said than done but
one has to d it.

if it's not ment to be then hey it's not and ond should
look forward to new horizans as the sun shines bright.
Believe me.

Ok may be I'm talking shit but if like drop us a line on
    [e-mail]

Love and Peace

Neil
PS - Ilove music including music and I have done quite alot
of travlling India, Nepal, Thialnd etc

Hey man get back
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:43:11 +0000 [e-mail]
wrote:

> So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
> and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
> '92.)
>
> Ed
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 14 Feb 1999 00:48:57 +0000 (GMT)

Sorry to,Ed and the rest of the list! I didn't realise my
mate Neil had sent this to the entire Moby list! Shit! A
major mistake! Sorry just a bit too pissed again!

Please forgive us (especially Ed!).#

 TMB

On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Tim Beecher
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hey Ed,
>
> Well how's it going?
>
> I suppose I should come clean  and tell how I am.
>
> My name is Neil Am I am a very good frind of Tim's who I
> beleive you have a relationship with. You must excuse of my
> bad pushing of the keys as I am some what pissed.
>
> Tim tells me that you have just split up with your girly.
> Heavy shit man, I have been there thier recently. Women hey
> well what can I say. I suppose if there is nothing left you
> have to move on with your life, easier said than done but
> one has to d it.
>
> if it's not ment to be then hey it's not and ond should
> look forward to new horizans as the sun shines bright.
> Believe me.
>
> Ok may be I'm talking shit but if like drop us a line on
>     [e-mail]
>
> Love and Peace
>
> Neil
> PS - Ilove music including music and I have done quite alot
> of travlling India, Nepal, Thialnd etc
>
> Hey man get back
> On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:43:11 +0000 [e-mail]
> wrote:
>
> > So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
> > and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
> > '92.)
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]
>
>

----------------------
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Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:04:48 +0000 (GMT)

Well man,

I am a friend of tims.

And yes wll he tells me you are a bit of an arse.

Hey man just because you live in New York does not mean you
are well the cool one . Yes The b-Boys are from your tiwn
which I respect. Wel NY is pretty good but you should get
your loose arse over over to london towb and see what is
realy going on
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> so what's the general view on
> >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> being
> >bad boys? comments?
>
> You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
>
> but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> than Prodigy.
>
> $.02,
>
> --a
>
> ______________________________________________________
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>

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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) it's the prodigy
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:11:02 +0000 (GMT)

Hey man,

how ever you are i pass my love towards you. Its just that
tim said you were a bit of a arse. And as he is my brother
i believe him,

Love peace and Harmony

Ny is just as place as is London
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:15:29 -0600 "Craig J. Rasmussen"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> >'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> >best, IMO.
> >
> >but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> >than Prodigy.
>
> agree, agree
> amen
>
> Kevin
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
>

----------------------
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Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:13:21 +0000 (GMT)

I am really Sorry Andrew. My mate is being a complete tit!

I did not say those things. Shit, you've got to take him
with a pinch of salt! He just got on one of his arsehole
trips! He just likes dropping me in the shit!

oKAY THIS WAS A BIG MISTAKE BRINGING HIM HERE!

wE'RE JUST A LITTLE BORED AND he had to write something
insulting, to piss me off!

QWe're pisse so don't take itmpersonally, he could've
chosen anyone, it just happeneed to be you. I'll fcking
kill him one of these days!

TMB

On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:04:48 +0000 (GMT) Tim Beecher
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Well man,
>
> I am a friend of tims.
>
> And yes wll he tells me you are a bit of an arse.
>
> Hey man just because you live in New York does not mean you
> are well the cool one . Yes The b-Boys are from your tiwn
> which I respect. Wel NY is pretty good but you should get
> your loose arse over over to london towb and see what is
> realy going on
> On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > so what's the general view on
> > >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> > being
> > >bad boys? comments?
> >
> > You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> > one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> > are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> > best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> > take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> > newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> > and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> > not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> > offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> > If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> > but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
> >
> > but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> > than Prodigy.
> >
> > $.02,
> >
> > --a
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:15:28 +0000 (GMT)

Hey guys,

My name is Neil and am a good friend of Tims and Yes A Moby
fan AR.

Drop us a line on (library.Aerofilms.com)

Tim is such a nice guy. He offers love to evrybody. Well
aour friendship comes from the above Is suppose.


On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> so what's the general view on
> >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> being
> >bad boys? comments?
>
> You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
>
> but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> than Prodigy.
>
> $.02,
>
> --a
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Into the Blue / Drop A Beat / SSF
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:25:39 +0000 (GMT)

Hey Dan,

have you got a big arse with lots of dad hair because I
haven't

Love,

Tim.

I love driving in big fast black cars with lots of men.
You should come ovet to the Uk
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:11:38 -0700 Daniel Cerman
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> AJ Brustein wrote:
> >Can someone tell me if there is more than one into the blue single? Since I
> >only have the CD with me, I don't know what the covers look like but my track
> >listing is:
> >1.Voodoo Child Mix
> >2.Spiritual Mix
> >3.Simple Mix
> >4.Uplifting 4 Beat Mix
> >5.Summer Wind Mix
> >6.The Buzz Boys Main Room Mayhem Mix
> >But, today someone sent me info on a CD with this listing (in some order?)
> >simple mix, voodoo child mix, underground mix, uplifting 4 beat mix and
> >summer night mix
> >Is this a different CD? Does anyone know the situation? Thanks a lot.
>
> Yes, it's a different CD.  I have both.  What you have is the UK #2
> single.  The one with the Underground Mix is the German #2 single.
> There are also UK and German #1 CD singles ("Into The Blue", not
> "Into The Blue Remixes").
>
> IMHO all 4 (UK & German) CD singles are worth having for completist
> collectors.  I only have 3 (I'm missing German #1, with the Hard
> Mix).  The covers of the UK and German #2 singles are the same --
> red inverse-ish pictures of Moby underwater.  The CDs have the same
> design on them (Moby's hand underwater), but the German one is
> markedly fainter, at least on my copies.  There is also a variation
> on UK #1 that drops "Shining" and adds two Junior Vasquez remixes.
> So there are basically 5 versions of the "Into The Blue" CD single.
>
> The only reason that you would be interested in the German single(s)
> if you already have the UK would be for the remixes by "Steve Mason
> and P.E.T.E." -- the Hard Mix on CD#1 and the Underground Mix on #2.
> These are good remixes.  I especially like the Underground Mix,
> which is over eight minutes long.  It has a breezy nighttime techno
> backdrop with an eerily tweaked-up "I fly" vocal sample, making for
> a pleasant, exotic remix.  The Hard Mix, which I only have on vinyl,
> is (as I recall it (I haven't listened to it recently)) a poundier
> surf's-up kind of track. :)  Anyways, these remixes are rare & cool.
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
> >and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
> >'92.)
>
> The original version is better.  The new version is shorter (just
> over two and a half minutes), adds a vocal sample that sounds like
> "I don't know 'bout you but I'm good", and is more punchy/hardcore
> than the crisp original version.  The new version seems to be
> designed just to work a live crowd into a frenzy, which it probably
> does.  From what I've heard, Moby always plays The New Version of
> DAB in his live performances.
>
> _The Story So Far_ is a great album.  And unlike Instinct's _Rare_,
> which puts a fade-out on "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" and calls it
> the Club Mix, SSF gives you the full version of this classic track
> without the fade-out.  Since "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" was the
> first version of that song that I heard, and also one of the tracks
> that was instrumental in making me a Moby fan, I consider it to be
> the definitive version of the song.  It's well worth the effort to
> obtain (and I had to search for *years* before I found it).
>
> Daniel Cerman
> http://www.moby.org/
> NP:  Petra, _On Fire!_, "Somebody's Gonna Praise His Name"
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:31:03 +0000 (GMT)

Hey man,

Have you ever heard of the Velvet Underground.

Get into it man,

Yo Mr Mondu

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> so what's the general view on
> >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> being
> >bad boys? comments?
>
> You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
>
> but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> than Prodigy.
>
> $.02,
>
> --a
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Into the Blue / Drop A Beat / SSF
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:32:14 +0000 (GMT)

I am sorry yet again! I did not type that!

I am going to beat the shiot out of him so he'llneer get to
use the computer again!

Please don't take offense!

TMB
#
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:25:39 +0000 (GMT) Tim Beecher
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> have you got a big arse with lots of dad hair because I
> haven't
>
> Love,
>
> Tim.
>
> I love driving in big fast black cars with lots of men.
> You should come ovet to the Uk
> On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:11:38 -0700 Daniel Cerman
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > AJ Brustein wrote:
> > >Can someone tell me if there is more than one into the blue single? Since I
> > >only have the CD with me, I don't know what the covers look like but my track
> > >listing is:
> > >1.Voodoo Child Mix
> > >2.Spiritual Mix
> > >3.Simple Mix
> > >4.Uplifting 4 Beat Mix
> > >5.Summer Wind Mix
> > >6.The Buzz Boys Main Room Mayhem Mix
> > >But, today someone sent me info on a CD with this listing (in some order?)
> > >simple mix, voodoo child mix, underground mix, uplifting 4 beat mix and
> > >summer night mix
> > >Is this a different CD? Does anyone know the situation? Thanks a lot.
> >
> > Yes, it's a different CD.  I have both.  What you have is the UK #2
> > single.  The one with the Underground Mix is the German #2 single.
> > There are also UK and German #1 CD singles ("Into The Blue", not
> > "Into The Blue Remixes").
> >
> > IMHO all 4 (UK & German) CD singles are worth having for completist
> > collectors.  I only have 3 (I'm missing German #1, with the Hard
> > Mix).  The covers of the UK and German #2 singles are the same --
> > red inverse-ish pictures of Moby underwater.  The CDs have the same
> > design on them (Moby's hand underwater), but the German one is
> > markedly fainter, at least on my copies.  There is also a variation
> > on UK #1 that drops "Shining" and adds two Junior Vasquez remixes.
> > So there are basically 5 versions of the "Into The Blue" CD single.
> >
> > The only reason that you would be interested in the German single(s)
> > if you already have the UK would be for the remixes by "Steve Mason
> > and P.E.T.E." -- the Hard Mix on CD#1 and the Underground Mix on #2.
> > These are good remixes.  I especially like the Underground Mix,
> > which is over eight minutes long.  It has a breezy nighttime techno
> > backdrop with an eerily tweaked-up "I fly" vocal sample, making for
> > a pleasant, exotic remix.  The Hard Mix, which I only have on vinyl,
> > is (as I recall it (I haven't listened to it recently)) a poundier
> > surf's-up kind of track. :)  Anyways, these remixes are rare & cool.
> >
> > [e-mail] wrote:
> > >So what is the difference between the old version of 'Drop a Beat'
> > >and the 'new' version on the British version of it. (Released in
> > >'92.)
> >
> > The original version is better.  The new version is shorter (just
> > over two and a half minutes), adds a vocal sample that sounds like
> > "I don't know 'bout you but I'm good", and is more punchy/hardcore
> > than the crisp original version.  The new version seems to be
> > designed just to work a live crowd into a frenzy, which it probably
> > does.  From what I've heard, Moby always plays The New Version of
> > DAB in his live performances.
> >
> > _The Story So Far_ is a great album.  And unlike Instinct's _Rare_,
> > which puts a fade-out on "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" and calls it
> > the Club Mix, SSF gives you the full version of this classic track
> > without the fade-out.  Since "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" was the
> > first version of that song that I heard, and also one of the tracks
> > that was instrumental in making me a Moby fan, I consider it to be
> > the definitive version of the song.  It's well worth the effort to
> > obtain (and I had to search for *years* before I found it).
> >
> > Daniel Cerman
> > http://www.moby.org/
> > NP:  Petra, _On Fire!_, "Somebody's Gonna Praise His Name"
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:39:43 +0000 (GMT)

Have ever seebn them live?

wel they are just a load of essex boys who drive fast cars
and got lucky. but hey your man who writes the sounds holds
some talent.

And well as for the God Moby well he really gets my juices
flowing babies. Yes I have recently split up with a girl
friend and AR well hits in the middle of my heart.
"some one to love"

love,peace and harmonic vibrations to all yopu love puppies
 there.
I LOVEYOU
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:33:48 PST kristy radford
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> the title of this song.  How
>
>
> >i remember hearing someone explain that "smack my bitch up" means >turn
> up
> >the volume or something?
>
> yea i read the same thing.
> the lyrics go:
> "turn my pitch up
> smack my bitch up"
>
> i'm tired of people taking everything for face value without first
> knowing what the hell is going on.  let's all grow up people.
> and i'm really realllllllly sick of people going on and on about how
> people buy the disc because they want to shock their parents.  how bout
> they just like the music and they might actually have half a brain
> enough to realise that "violence doesn't solve anything."
>
> oh an in reference to the idea that we should pitch in and get Moby an
> internet connection....i think he'd actually think it was great that we
> are all able to discuss this shit like normal human beings.
>
> kristy
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) The Story so far
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:43:07 +0000 (GMT)

Ed,

Take it eay dude.

Ride the tide and see the blue.

Love is a strange but beutiful thing,

Love Anarchy and yes hope in this world of confusion,

Well how can save us now!!


On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:46:35 +0000 [e-mail]
wrote:

>
>  [e-mail]
> To:            [e-mail]
> Subject: The story so far
> Date:          Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:40:01 GMT
>
> Ah Ah, I feel it, Everything, Mercy, Help me to Believe, Go (woodtick
> mix) Yeah, Drop a Beat(the new version), Thousand, Slight Return, Go
> (subliminal mix unedited version), Stream.
>
>
> There that's what's on my 'The Story so Far.'
>
> I think it's not my favourite Moby CD in my collection.  I didn't
> think that 'I like to score' was crash hot either although it's got a
> couple of gems on and I prefer it to TSSF.  I think the best albums
> are Animal Rights, Everything is wrong and the remixes of EIW.  At
> least they are my favourite ones.
>
>
> Ed
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:54:18 +0000 (GMT)


On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> so what's the general view on
> >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> being
> >bad boys? comments?
>
> You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
>
> but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> than Prodigy.
>
> $.02,
>
> --a
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:58:12 +0000 (GMT)

Hey guys,

I love you all as thats what god put us on this world. Lets
just get it on and live this life,

Tim
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> so what's the general view on
> >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> being
> >bad boys? comments?
>
> You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
>
> but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> than Prodigy.
>
> $.02,
>
> --a
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #334
Date: 14 Feb 1999 02:03:34 +0000 (GMT)

My so called mate is now off this list, so no more hassle!
I did not write that shit below either!

Everything is now chill. So don't anyone give me any shit
over this okay!?

Ciao for a while,
TMB

On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Tim Beecher
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I love you all as thats what god put us on this world. Lets
> just get it on and live this life,
>
> Tim
> On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:01:33 PST Android M
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > so what's the general view on
> > >this list about this song?  offensive or just a pathetic attempt at
> > being
> > >bad boys? comments?
> >
> > You know, there's other songs on the album that are way better than that
> > one.  I don't think it should've been their opening track. Tracks 6-10
> > are better than tracks 1-5. 'Music for the jilted generation' was their
> > best, IMO.  It's funny about the prodigy, the first album was 'everybody
> > take an E and be happy' type music. the middle one was neutral, and the
> > newest one...well, I like RSW 's 'techno-rap' way better than prodigy.
> > and that was in the late 80's for christ's sake. Overall, I guess, I'm
> > not that impressed by the choices they've made.  I'm not the least bit
> > offended by the song 'SMBU', it just makes them look like market whores.
> > If nothing else, they rely on a play on words to impress stupid kids.
> > but, I guess you can say that about Moby's 'next is the E' too...
> >
> > but, somehow, Moby seems to have acheived a longer lasting integrity
> > than Prodigy.
> >
> > $.02,
> >
> > --a
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]
>
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) vast/aphex/
Date: 13 Feb 1999 22:18:17 EST

richard D james ...[aphex twin/polygon window/caustic window...is great ,]]]

thanks for the vast info i'll be sure to buy it ASAP...

check out plug ... too if you like aphex .. youwill  probably love plug ...



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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Dude
Date: 15 Feb 1999 12:55:55 +0900

Yo dude. Can you please cool it with the emails? i have gotten over 20 emails
from you in the last 2 hours or something. I only have a 9600 connection and
this is some expensve shit in Japan connecting from a cell phone, you know.
Thanks. And Thanks to the people who answered my Into the Blue question. Later.
AJ



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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: TMB & co.
Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:13:39 PST

I never said I was from NY...

no, no...this 'arse' is from CA...

--a

______________________________________________________
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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: TMB & co.
Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:53:37 +0000 (GMT)

I don't know why he thought you were from NY? He's just
being wasted! I think it might have something to do with
the fact he was there recently and it was the first related
thing that came into his pissed head!?

TMB

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:13:39 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I never said I was from NY...
>
> no, no...this 'arse' is from CA...
>
> --a
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

----------------------
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Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) plug; fuse; old moby
Date: 14 Feb 1999 10:58:17 -0800

> richard D james ...[aphex twin/polygon window/caustic window...is great
,]]]
>
> thanks for the vast info i'll be sure to buy it ASAP...
>
> check out plug ... too if you like aphex .. youwill  probably love plug
..

actually, i bought polygon window for my brother... he's obsessed with
aphex. but its so good i had to borrow it on a permanent basis without his
knowing. heh ;)

about plug:  i've been meaning to pick up something by plug, as the plug
remix of perfect drug was the only one i liked (on the perfect drug single.
duh. nine inch nails. duh.)

and i think i'm on a winning streak with CDs here.  for v-day my mom gave
me dimension intrusion by fuse (yeah its richie hawtin. shut up!!!).  what
can i say? kickass shite.

next on my "to buy" list will probably be some older moby stuff. i don't
have all of it yet.  i dunno if i want to pay the $30 for the rare and
collected b-sides thing... is it any good? or should i wait till i fill up
my HMV card again so i have $24.99 off any cd i want in the store?
comments?

-kelly

now playing: dimension intrusion by fuse.  what can i say? amazing! (and
no, richie is NOT paying me to gush about his CDs all the time.  altho i
wish i did get a paycheck out of this. but no, i just really adore his
stuff. heh)




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From: "markus wollina" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) evil ninja dj
Date: 14 Feb 1999 08:53:44 PST

evil ninja moby will dj at this year's "mayday" festival in
dortmund/germany (www.mayday.de). since moby doesn't dj very often these
days, i'll try to go there. anybody else going?

______________________________________________________
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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Old Moby
Date: 14 Feb 1999 11:27:48 -0600

>next on my "to buy" list will probably be some older moby stuff. i don't
>have all of it yet.  i dunno if i want to pay the $30 for the rare and
>collected b-sides thing... is it any good? or should i wait till i fill up
>my HMV card again so i have $24.99 off any cd i want in the store?
>comments?
>
>-kelly


DAMN!  I don't know where your shopping but I got mine for 13 dollars at a
RECORD TOWN!  I was pissed because three weeks later they had a copy in the
bargain bin for 3 bucks!!!

Anyway, the first CD is good, but the one with the 13+(?) remixes of go?
It's too much overload of one song for me, I've not been able to sit through
the whole thing at one time.  Perfect go-to-work music in the car though,
listen to 1 track on the way there, one on the way back until you've gone
through them all.




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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) vast
Date: 14 Feb 1999 14:36:00 -0800 (PST)






---the bergstroms <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > i saw the video ...
> > but i didnt know if the whole cd was going to sound as good so i
didnt
> buy it
> > ... is it ???
>
> oh man...
> i just bought the CD today.  i bought it after hearing pretty when
you cry
> and touched and i have to say, i'm in love!

Aright I have to put in my .02$, Vast is the best album of 98and 99 I
am sorry to say that I can t see another album coming out like this.
I mean the Kid was picked at age 16 as the next new star to watch by
Guitar Mag., The whole album is about being let down in relationships.
Please go and support this really talented kid.
I have said my peace.

Bri
==




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Dude
Date: 14 Feb 1999 17:44:31 EST

then remove yourself its a mailing list ... your gonna get mails ...



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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Dude
Date: 14 Feb 1999 15:00:22 -0800 (PST)

Who is this addressed to ??????????/




[e-mail] wrote:
>
> then remove yourself its a mailing list ... your gonna get mails ...

>
>

==




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From: "Ruben A. Blanco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) HYMN and VAST, emotions
Date: 14 Feb 1999 16:28:47 -0600

Can somebody tell me how hard it is to acquire a copy of Moby's Hymn
(alt.quiet.version). Are there any USA Websites that I can order it
from? I saw this description from the www.moby.org page:

"Only one track on this CD. And with reason, it's over a half-hour
long. Turn off all the lights, draw the blinds,
 make sure no one else is at home, and put this on. I'm amazed at the
persistence of vision that was required to
 make a song that is this long, and so amazingly intricate. If you're
looking for a dance music release, look elsewhere.
 If you're looking to tap into Moby's well of emotion, pick up this
import disc."

Can somebody add to this? Is the disk very soft, or is kinda chill
out stuff (great rhythms and beats)?

I hadn't heard of the group VAST, but I got informed from
www.cdnow.com. What I heard from the Real Audio clips, VAST sounded
like a rip from Stabbing Westward, NIN, GLU, etc. (plus the vocals
sounded terrible). But I like that type of music also so I am going
to check it out.

Can you order Moby's Little Idiot (the little disk included with
Animal Rights) from Electra records or elsewhere? Why does it have a
special catalog number (identifying it) if you can't? I got the promo
AR, and it didn't include Little Idiot CD(but I am also curious about
it). How is it? It's all instrumental Moby right? How is it compared
to End of Everything? Is it worth buying it for $30+   ,  if I
already have AR?

Is somebody willing to CDR (Little Idiot, Hymn (alt.quiet.version))
for me if I supply a disk and return postage? I haven't seen a lot of
trading going on here in this list. You can private e-mail me, or
respond with the E-Mailing list. THANKS!

Ruben A. Blanco
[e-mail]
************************************************




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From: Shawn Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) plug; fuse; old moby
Date: 14 Feb 1999 15:55:22 -0800 (PST)






---Kelbert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > richard D james ...[aphex twin/polygon window/caustic window...is
great
> ,]]]
> >
> > thanks for the vast info i'll be sure to buy it ASAP...


What do you know about Vast ?

We are talking about Visual Audio Sensory Theater, right? (I am not
sure if that is the name, but I like the song I heard on the radio)

Is there an audio clip available online?

Thanks-

Wall

Urban Prophet Enterprises



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From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) OT: VAST info (long)
Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:16:55 -0800

> What do you know about Vast ?

well.... vast is one guy. jon crosby.  when he was 14 (actually according
to brian he was 16. anyway, he was younger than me!!!) he was picked by a
guitar magazine to be THE guy to watch.  i'm pretty sure he was a bass
player at the time.  or it might have been guitar.  but either way, the
spotlight has been on him since he was in GRADE NINE! yikes!

anyway, building on what he knew and putting it together with some new
found electronic knowlege, he put together the VAST Cd.  Visual Audio
Sensory Theater.  on the CD he did all the music, except for the drums.  oh
and this guy? he's only 21 years old.

yes, the lyrics are rip offs from a number of sources...  "touched" has a
line that is almost right out of "temptation" by New Order.  he borrows
from everyone from the doors to the tea party (canadian group.  i doubt a
lot of you guys would know who they are.  but he so reminds me of the tea
party).  but still, this is a fresh and innovative debut album.  sure, its
depressing and could be classified the same as something along the lines of
stabbing westward, or even nin in trent's manic depressive i can't get a
real relationship days....  but still, its pretty damn raw.  its hard to
believe this guy is only 21!!!

touched is the weird song you guys are probably hearing a lot on
"alternative" radio stations.  it starts off with quiet acoustic guitars
and then vocals start in (touched... you say that i am too. so much of what
you say is true...).  then these weird chanty things start getting looped
in the background (which are annoying until you get used to them) and
there's a heavy electric guitar riff.  the chorus is "i'll never find
someone quite like you again".  so yes, its a "relationship" song.
actually, i'm noticing the more i analyze the lyrics, the more i realize
how sexual in nature the are.  anyone who's heard the album, any comments
on what you think the meaning of "dirty hole" is?  i have a few ideas...
but nothing concrete.  comments?

clips of here, touched, dirty hole and pretty when you cry (and maybe i'm
dying. i dont remember 100%) are avaliable at CDNOW (http://www.cdnow.com).
just go and search for vast.  the mp3s of touched and pretty when you cry
are floating around http://www.oth.net, an mp3 search engine.  Personally
(me, kelly, [e-mail]) have the mp3s of touched and pretty
when you cry, and so if someone wants them, just send me a private e-mail.

well, i hope this has given some more info on Vast (visual audio sensory
theater) to at least one person, so all this typing wasn't in vain.  sorry
for the length of this message, i didn't mean for it to go on this long.
btw, where'd i get all this info from?  tis the abridged info from The New
Rock Preview on Toronto's Edge 102.  They did a bit of a bio thingy on jon
crosby last week, and this is all i remember and made notes about.  well,
this is it from me.  chemistry calls! (ick) peace.

-kelly

np: surfing on sine waves- polygon window (yes, again.  i just stole it
back from my brother, who stole it back from me. heh. anyway, for some
reason its making me thing orbital/orb.  am i waaay off base here?)




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Dude
Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:11:03 EST

listen, he's got a point. the stuff tmb was writing had nothing to do with
anything and could have been done personally.



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From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) HYMN and VAST, emotions
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:12:47 -0600

you suck a phat one+ACE- What you want to do is illegal



+AD4-Can somebody tell me how hard it is to acquire a copy of Moby's Hymn
+AD4-(alt.quiet.version). Are there any USA Websites that I can order it
+AD4-from? I saw this description from the www.moby.org page:
+AD4-
+AD4AIg-Only one track on this CD. And with reason, it's over a half-hour
+AD4-long. Turn off all the lights, draw the blinds,
+AD4- make sure no one else is at home, and put this on. I'm amazed at the
+AD4-persistence of vision that was required to
+AD4- make a song that is this long, and so amazingly intricate. If you're
+AD4-looking for a dance music release, look elsewhere.
+AD4- If you're looking to tap into Moby's well of emotion, pick up this
+AD4-import disc.+ACI-
+AD4-
+AD4-Can somebody add to this? Is the disk very soft, or is kinda chill
+AD4-out stuff (great rhythms and beats)?
+AD4-
+AD4-I hadn't heard of the group VAST, but I got informed from
+AD4-www.cdnow.com. What I heard from the Real Audio clips, VAST sounded
+AD4-like a rip from Stabbing Westward, NIN, GLU, etc. (plus the vocals
+AD4-sounded terrible). But I like that type of music also so I am going
+AD4-to check it out.
+AD4-
+AD4-Can you order Moby's Little Idiot (the little disk included with
+AD4-Animal Rights) from Electra records or elsewhere? Why does it have a
+AD4-special catalog number (identifying it) if you can't? I got the promo
+AD4-AR, and it didn't include Little Idiot CD(but I am also curious about
+AD4-it). How is it? It's all instrumental Moby right? How is it compared
+AD4-to End of Everything? Is it worth buying it for +ACQ-30   ,  if I
+AD4-already have AR?
+AD4-
+AD4-Is somebody willing to CDR (Little Idiot, Hymn (alt.quiet.version))
+AD4-for me if I supply a disk and return postage? I haven't seen a lot of
+AD4-trading going on here in this list. You can private e-mail me, or
+AD4-respond with the E-Mailing list. THANKS+ACE-
+AD4-
+AD4-Ruben A. Blanco
+AD4-rblanco+AEA-utep.edu
+AD4AKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo-
+AD4-
+AD4-






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From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) plug; fuse; old moby
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:15:37 -0700

the rare and collected b-sides CD is good... i like it a lot.  $30 for
it, though, seems a lot.  then again, i got mine used for half that
price.. so i wouldn't know what it would be new.  if u want, i could
shop around and see whether or not zia records here has it any cheaper.
the one close to my work may have it... the one close to my house is all
out of moby.  :(

plov

Kelbert wrote:
>
> > richard D james ...[aphex twin/polygon window/caustic window...is great
> ,]]]
> >
> > thanks for the vast info i'll be sure to buy it ASAP...
> >
> > check out plug ... too if you like aphex .. youwill  probably love plug
> ..
>
> actually, i bought polygon window for my brother... he's obsessed with
> aphex. but its so good i had to borrow it on a permanent basis without his
> knowing. heh ;)
>
> about plug:  i've been meaning to pick up something by plug, as the plug
> remix of perfect drug was the only one i liked (on the perfect drug single.
> duh. nine inch nails. duh.)
>
> and i think i'm on a winning streak with CDs here.  for v-day my mom gave
> me dimension intrusion by fuse (yeah its richie hawtin. shut up!!!).  what
> can i say? kickass shite.
>
> next on my "to buy" list will probably be some older moby stuff. i don't
> have all of it yet.  i dunno if i want to pay the $30 for the rare and
> collected b-sides thing... is it any good? or should i wait till i fill up
> my HMV card again so i have $24.99 off any cd i want in the store?
> comments?
>
> -kelly
>
> now playing: dimension intrusion by fuse.  what can i say? amazing! (and
> no, richie is NOT paying me to gush about his CDs all the time.  altho i
> wish i did get a paycheck out of this. but no, i just really adore his
> stuff. heh)



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From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) HYMN and VAST, emotions
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:23:01 -0700

i haven't had a problem finding this version of hymn.. the other version
is a lot harder.  cdnow has it, if i remember correctly (it's been a
while since i've shopped online).  if not, check around used CD stores.
i found mine for $4.99 used.  now, i think anyone who trades in moby
cd's is nuts... but hey, it's great for me!  :)

plov

Ruben A. Blanco wrote:
>
> Can somebody tell me how hard it is to acquire a copy of Moby's Hymn
> (alt.quiet.version). Are there any USA Websites that I can order it
> from? I saw this description from the www.moby.org page:
>
> "Only one track on this CD. And with reason, it's over a half-hour
> long. Turn off all the lights, draw the blinds,
>  make sure no one else is at home, and put this on. I'm amazed at the
> persistence of vision that was required to
>  make a song that is this long, and so amazingly intricate. If you're
> looking for a dance music release, look elsewhere.
>  If you're looking to tap into Moby's well of emotion, pick up this
> import disc."
>
> Can somebody add to this? Is the disk very soft, or is kinda chill
> out stuff (great rhythms and beats)?
>
> I hadn't heard of the group VAST, but I got informed from
> www.cdnow.com. What I heard from the Real Audio clips, VAST sounded
> like a rip from Stabbing Westward, NIN, GLU, etc. (plus the vocals
> sounded terrible). But I like that type of music also so I am going
> to check it out.
>
> Can you order Moby's Little Idiot (the little disk included with
> Animal Rights) from Electra records or elsewhere? Why does it have a
> special catalog number (identifying it) if you can't? I got the promo
> AR, and it didn't include Little Idiot CD(but I am also curious about
> it). How is it? It's all instrumental Moby right? How is it compared
> to End of Everything? Is it worth buying it for $30+   ,  if I
> already have AR?
>
> Is somebody willing to CDR (Little Idiot, Hymn (alt.quiet.version))
> for me if I supply a disk and return postage? I haven't seen a lot of
> trading going on here in this list. You can private e-mail me, or
> respond with the E-Mailing list. THANKS!
>
> Ruben A. Blanco
> [e-mail]
> ************************************************



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From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) HYMN and VAST, emotions
Date: 15 Feb 1999 01:26:03 -0500


>
>"Only one track on this CD. And with reason, it's over a half-hour
>long. Turn off all the lights, draw the blinds,
> make sure no one else is at home, and put this on. I'm amazed at the
>persistence of vision that was required to
> make a song that is this long, and so amazingly intricate. If you're
>looking for a dance music release, look elsewhere.
> If you're looking to tap into Moby's well of emotion, pick up this
>import disc."
>
>Can somebody add to this? Is the disk very soft, or is kinda chill
>out stuff (great rhythms and beats)?
>
The Hymn.alt.quiet.version is very slow, It has what appears to be some
forms of chanting in the background, you can distinctly hear a choir
humming at the begining. I don't know if you know of the group Delierium,
who are Rhys Fulber, and Bill Leeb of Front Line Assembly (both geniuses).
However this hymn track is very Delerium like. No beats, very little
actually happens on this disc it goes absolutely nowhere, yet is beautiful
for it. I don't know how to actually to describe it, except for what you
would hear an echo of wind sounds perhaps in a tunnel. WHich is then
sampled over again with very melodic samples over top, but spread apart in
that 33 minutes I'd say almost slow goth in a sense. At parts there is
voices which you can hear but too heavely distorted to know what they would
be saying, if at all. It's not like anything Moby had done before or since.
I know that doesn't say much of the song, but it is very hard to describe
it, you'll know what I mean if you get it.

I got mine in Canada, at a local Sunrise records store for $8.99 a great
place to shop moby up until about a year ago when new management came in
and decided to cater to the top 40 crowd only it seems.




>
>Can you order Moby's Little Idiot (the little disk included with
>Animal Rights) from Electra records or elsewhere? Why does it have a
>special catalog number (identifying it) if you can't? I got the promo
>AR, and it didn't include Little Idiot CD(but I am also curious about
>it). How is it? It's all instrumental Moby right? How is it compared
>to End of Everything? Is it worth buying it for $30+   ,  if I
>already have AR?
>
Little Idiot is great very much melodic like the End of Everything--Voodoo
Child album, but still completley different. EOE is very much slow
electronic as you know im sure while LI tends to be acoustic guitar, with
voilins strings and piano poured over top of it. More classical type of
music than most of what he does. Also recommended even if you have to get
the Double disc of AR to get it, I did. I would gladly burn you a copy onto
a disc for you but my burner is busted, I have to get a buddy of mine to
help repair it sometime. Hopefully soon!


Brett McSherry




>
>
>Ruben A. Blanco
>[e-mail]
>************************************************




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Dude
Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:23:55 +0000 (GMT)

Hello, I didn't write it! My friend just happened to want
to e-mail some people he knew while he was up here! I
didn't realise he was getting through to Mobiblity and
larking around - one off mistake okay and we was pissed! It
won't happen again, so chill. Take it easy/lighten up!

TMB

On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:11:03 EST [e-mail] wrote:

> listen, he's got a point. the stuff tmb was writing had nothing to do with
> anything and could have been done personally.
>

----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) AR Live CD
Date: 15 Feb 1999 11:07:14 +0000

> From:          "Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]>

> I recently found the Animal Rights Live at the Splash club 4-track
 for 8 us dollars.
> Is it worth buying?
>
Yes, although the recorded sound is a bit raw and under produced.  I
got it free at a concert that cost =A33 to get in but never mind.
>



Ed



It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do.
>
>
>



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 15 Feb 1999 11:29:35 +0000



> And well as for Moby well he really gets my juices
> flowing babies. Yes I have recently split up with a girl
> friend and AR well hits in the middle of my heart.
> "some one to love"


Whoever wrote this.   Yes I know but that is because Moby is
essentially an emotional artist which is the most basic function of
music.

Ed



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From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) AR Live CD
Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:00:07 -0600

gotta love the sarcasm



+AD4- From:          +ACI-Craig J. Rasmussen+ACI- +ADw-craigras+AEA-email.msn.com+AD4-

+AD4- I recently found the Animal Rights Live at the Splash club 4-track
for 8 us dollars.
+AD4- Is it worth buying?
+AD4-
Yes, although the recorded sound is a bit raw and under produced.  I
got it free at a concert that cost +AKM-3 to get in but never mind.
+AD4-



Ed



It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do.
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-







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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 15 Feb 1999 15:13:07 +0000 (GMT)

Uh, that was my friend. He's not a bigtime Moby fan, but he
likes AR.

TMB

On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:29:35 +0000 [e-mail]
wrote:

>
>
> > And well as for Moby well he really gets my juices
> > flowing babies. Yes I have recently split up with a girl
> > friend and AR well hits in the middle of my heart.
> > "some one to love"
>
>
> Whoever wrote this.   Yes I know but that is because Moby is
> essentially an emotional artist which is the most basic function of
> music.
>
> Ed
>

----------------------
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Cranfield University
[e-mail]




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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) *
Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:57:15 PST


Several people on the list have asked where to buy certain CDs. This
should help. If you're looking for something you don't see in either of
these catalogs, just ask, I can usually find it if it's for sale. Don't
bother asking for EIW w/ Underwater or the Yellow Hymn single, I'm
struck on both of those. These two are US dealers, btw. I've bought from
both personally in the past.

http://www.alternativemusic.com/

This store has almost everything. The search engine crashed my browser,
so browse the catalog instead. Don't forget to look under Voodoo Child
and Lopez, too. The Into The Blue Remixes (red) are $9.99. Animal Rights
w/ Little Idiot is $20.99. The Voodoo Child "End Of Everything" is $15.

http://www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/

This store has the Into The Blue Remixes for $10 also. They also have a
Revolver promo with 2 Splash Club tracks (You & Someone To Love) for $7,
a Move mixes promo CD for $10, the US Voodoo Child "End Of Everything"
for $10, and the Heads "Damage I've Done" single w/ two excellent Moby
mixes for $7. Plenty of other Moby stuff, too.

Have a nice day.


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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) *2
Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:00:16 PST


I forgot to mention (for Ruben Blanco) that the 2nd link, the
alternativemusic one, has Hymn.alt.quiet.version also.

This could be my shortest message ever!

-Steve

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) vast
Date: 15 Feb 1999 14:13:27 EST

i know not about VAST . i saw the video and have heard the song on the radio a
few times ... i was going to buy the cd ... just havent gotten around to it
yet ...

--Qg0



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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) prodigy
Date: 16 Feb 1999 03:11:14 -0800

they may as well have called the song "Fuck My Shit Up"
I agree that it was meant as a promotional gimmick because
as we all know in the music biz even bad exposure is
godd exposure because somoe one is sure to hear it and
think "cool, these guys are fuckin shit up" i do thinks
i will buy me that funky song

i do remeber hearing an interview with the prodigy and
when asked about that song title they explained that
it was a slang phrase they used for giving it their all-
onstage or in life, using adrenaline and controlling it
was the basic idea as I remember.
Lion taming- the inner beast
of course they had to know people would misread it
and flip out, that had to be intentional

and it worked like it always does

yes lighten up and yes there are lots of worse title
and lyrical examples to pick on, not that it's anyone's
right to say what a song can be called
paul

**** wrote:
>
> >violence against women is wrong wrong wrong.
>   violence against anyone is pretty damn horrible.
>  > violence solves nothing.
>
> i do believe in this... i don't like violence at all.
>
> but i read once that the Prodigy only made the song and called it "smack my
> bitch up" because they knew that everyone would make a big deal about it.  i
> don't even think that they were thinking about domestic violence when they
> made it, they just wanted to show how worked-up the public could get over one
> of their songs.   it was kind of a psychology experiment to see if people
> would go nuts over it (and they did).  and i think they wanted to kind of
> "thumb their noses" at music-censors.
>
> personally i like the song and love Prodigy.
>
> but  i think this proves that sometimes if there is something that people
> don't like, ignoring it is the best way to rid yourself of it... and that
> causing a big public outcry about it will only add fuel to the fire (and make
> the song go platinum :).
>
> it's just like the  2 Live Crew, you know?
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> Jon
>
> [e-mail]
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>
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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) *abducted*
Date: 16 Feb 1999 08:30:05 PST


I found a really cool CD at the dance store the other day. It's called
X-Mix: Abducted 6. It has 7 songs on it, one of which is a mix of the
Rollo & Sister Bliss Remix of Honey. It's the same thing, essentially,
with extra drops, samples, and effects added into it. This CD is cool
because the songs are broken up into seperate tracks to separate intros,
sections, outros, & breaks from each other. The songs would all mix with
each other well, and the CD says "for Pro DJs only". It doesn't credit
Rollo & Sister Bliss, just Moby & Mute. The samples that are added to
each song on the CD comes from one of the other songs. For instance,
there's a drum drop from the RSB mix of Honey that shows up in several
other songs. There's a great Armand Van Helden song that's 4 tracks
divided, 16 minutes long. It's called 2Future4U. Also on there is a mix
of Danny Tenaglia's Music is tthe Answer.

-Steve

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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Opening statements
Date: 16 Feb 1999 08:34:58 PST

Michaelangelo Matos

24

I own all the full-lengths, many of the singles (including a little
vinyl), a couple other oddities. I have more Moby than I do anyone else
(largely due to a now-subdued fanaticism that lasted about a year and a
half).

I first heard Moby on the radio, around '91 or '92, when I listened to
Radio Depth Probe on KJ-104 FM in Minneapolis, a Saturday midnight show
which spurred my nascent interest in techno etc. (as I refer to all that
stuff). Probably "Go". Please forgive me if it wasn't necessarily on
there: "Go" first stuck out for me on a compilation called Techno Trax
Vol. 2, on Germany's ZYX label, which a friend from high school had
picked up in that country. (I later found them in local stores.) I first
became a FAN fan in '93, when "Next is the E" was getting massive club
play (I went to First Avenue's all-age Sundays regularly), and then when
"Move" came out. I flipped, bought the EP and played it ravenously. Then
when EIW was released in '95 I played nothing more frequently for close
to a year: I was OBSESSED with that record, and though I now prefer Move
(more perfect), it's still one of the most important records in personal
terms I've ever heard.

I like a lot of music; my CD collection is 1300+ strong and growing
rapidly. So if you name it, chances are OK (if not 100%) that I've at
least heard of it. Too many favorites to name, but some records I've
been into lately are the new Built to Spill, Outkast, the Coup, the
forthcoming DJ DB "Shades of Technology" on Warners, Jake Mandell's
Parallel Processes, the Meters anthology, several Thelonious Monk
albums, and Paris is Sleeping, Respect is Burning Vol. 2.

Maybe the most interesting thing about me is that I'm a rock critic,
which means I'm extremely opinionated and pretty forthright with my POV.
I'm trying not to be too in-your-face about it lately, though. But we'll
see...

Michaelangelo Matos

NOW PLAYING: King Tubby, "Fittest of the Fittest Dub" from Dub Chill Out
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: (mobility) A new Artist???
Date: 16 Feb 1999 11:00:15 -0500

Morning all -
I was flipping through my CD collection and the radio when i realized, hey,
i've listened to all this and want something different (maybe that's why i
keep stealing my little bro's CD's)......anyway, has anyone heard of any
artists that are not exactly "mainstream" that they can recommend?  my
interests are techno/light goth/light industrial/rock (don't even think of
suggesting Built to Spill - i think Doug Martsch is a sellout of the worst
kind and that he can't write besides) - let's just say diverse.....any help
is appreciated!

daniel

"radio today is soulless and anemic" - I don't feel that i need to credit
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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A new Artist???
Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:15:49 PST

Daniel:

Your ridiculous dismissal of BTS aside (if there's a better album
released in '99 than Keep It Like a Secret it'll be a miracle), look
hard for a CD called Parallel Processes on Worm Interface, by a kid
named Jake Mandell. And try Miles Davis' electric stuff, particularly
Jack Johnson, In a Silent Way, and Dark Magus.

Matos

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) sellout
Date: 16 Feb 1999 14:57:24 EST

what makes a music group or a musician sell out...to me, i think that making
it big would be great...first, money, it's their job and they need to get
paid...then notoriety...if you don't want to be known, don't become famous..i
don't think that Moby has a problem being famous and many bands that people
consider sold out have come out with their best albums to date....i never try
to pay much attention to those who tell me that some band who wasn't known
three years ago is on a popular radio station therefore they sold out...elie



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) A new Artist??? and Hi, I'm new to the list
Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:10:28 EST

you might want to listen to Hanzel und Gretyl if you want something "diverse"
by the way i'm pretty new to this list....i've been a moby fan for about 3
years, im just starting to learn more about him....and my collection includes
EIW, EOE, AR, disk, Early Underground, Honey singles....my favorites : EIW and
AR...just thought I would say hello to all of the people on the list cuz I'm
new.......

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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Some label news
Date: 16 Feb 1999 20:30:31 PST

In my capacity as (ahem) rock critic, I have access to certain
information that I can share with the rest of y'all. To wit: I exchanged
messages with Moby's management today, and it turns out that he is still
label-hunting. Apparently (if I understood the message correctly) he is
close to signing with a label, but nobody will say which yet. Apparently
the actual signing is roughly a month away. So stay tuned, kids...

Michaelangelo Matos

NOW PLAYING: Lee Perry & the Upsetters, Some of the Best (Trojan
1969-74/88), specifically Dave Barker's "Shocks of Mighty," one of the
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From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A new Artist???
Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:22:57 -0600

---Daniel Redmond <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Morning all -
> I was flipping through my CD collection and the radio when irealized, hey,
> i've listened to all this and want something different.  my
> interests are techno/light goth/light industrial/rock
>

Not exactly what you described, but you should certainly check out
Evanescence. Demo cd due out in mid-march followed by a fully-produced
cd in Nov. I'll give a poor description by way of comparison: Think of
Garbage covering Metallica. Or maybe Tori Amos fronting Dream Theatre.
You can check out some sound files at:

http://members.tripod.com/~sideways_8/evindex.html

BSC




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From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Opening statements
Date: 17 Feb 1999 09:42:36 +0000 (GMT)


On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:34:58 PST Michael Matos
<[e-mail]> wrote:


>
> Maybe the most interesting thing about me is that I'm a rock critic,
> which means I'm extremely opinionated and pretty forthright with my POV.
> I'm trying not to be too in-your-face about it lately, though. But we'll
> see...

Nice to have you. Say what you will. I'm all for a bit of
variety.

TMB
>
> Michaelangelo Matos
>
> NOW PLAYING: King Tubby, "Fittest of the Fittest Dub" from Dub Chill Out
> (Music Club)
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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) AR Live CD
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:08:43 -0800 (PST)






---"Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> gotta love the sarcasm
>
Or you could respect someones truth.
>

> It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do.

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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) AR Live CD
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:07:09 -0800 (PST)






---"Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> gotta love the sarcasm
>
Or you could respect someones truth.
>

> It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) AR Live CD
Date: 17 Feb 1999 18:12:02 +0000

> Date:          Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:07:09 +0000
> From:          BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>

>
>
>
>
>
> ---"Craig J. Rasmussen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > gotta love the sarcasm
> >
> Or you could respect someones truth.
> >
>
> > It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do.
>
> =3D=3D
>
>

hey guys, don't argue it was just a mild irony.  I was actually
pointing out how lucky I was to get into a Moby concert for =A33 and
get the live CD free wheras someone was having to pay $8 for the CD.
I still think it is worth it if you haven't got it.

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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A new Artist???
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:35:51 -0800 (PST)






anyway, has anyone heard of any
> artists that are not exactly "mainstream" that they can recommend?  my
> interests are techno/light goth/light industrial/rock (don't even
think of

I just got the new love and rockets, its a little different then what
they have been in the past.
I havent really found anything all that worthy lately
sorry. Not for you but for music,
Bri
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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) dj cake
Date: 17 Feb 1999 19:42:10 -0000

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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Into the Blue / Drop A Beat / SSF
Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:42:46 PST

I didn't get this message until today, I seem to be having some email
difficulties. Anyhow, I'd like to mention that there are some easier
vinyl options for getting the two Steve Mason & PETE mixes. I recently
got the Mute Into The Blue 12", which has both. It complements the two
UK CD singles quite nicely. (the blue cover looks good blown up, too)
Here's how I have all of the ITB Blue mixes:

Mute UK ITB #1 & #2
Mute UK ITB 12" promo w/ 4 Junior Vasquez Mixes
Mute UK ITB 12" w Voodoo Child, Buzz Boys, & the 2 SM/PETE mixes

>>Dan Cerman wrote:>>>
>The only reason that you would be interested in the German single(s)
>if you already have the UK would be for the remixes by "Steve Mason
>and P.E.T.E." -- the Hard Mix on CD#1 and the Underground Mix on #2.
>These are good remixes.  I especially like the Underground Mix,
>which is over eight minutes long.  It has a breezy nighttime techno
>backdrop with an eerily tweaked-up "I fly" vocal sample, making for
>a pleasant, exotic remix.  The Hard Mix, which I only have on vinyl,
>is (as I recall it (I haven't listened to it recently)) a poundier
>surf's-up kind of track. :)  Anyways, these remixes are rare & cool.


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From: "Daniel Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A new Artist???
Date: 18 Feb 1999 15:30:17 PST

I think you'd dig Delerium, judging from your tastes.

Dan.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #338
Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:43:04 EST

hey you guys thought you like some music while you read this stuff, or just
surfing

Http://www.beatworld.com and listen to the realaudio, it's  tight!!

That is all.

SunProdigy.

"oh please let the sun shine on and into our future, oh yeah can you feel it."
Peace outt



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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #330
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:52:11 CST




>
>Does the Move ep still come with the cool dark blue and silver MOBY
>sticker? I bought that when it came out and it came with a sticker
>inside....
>

    Mine came with two of them. I put in on my car and it disapeared. Oh
well...


       d...

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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Prodigy
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:07:15 CST


   Very true. My best friend (whom I got the cd off of) doesn't like the
song, but only because he doesn't like how it sounds; he could care less
what it was titled.


>
> I'm sorry to hear that moby didn't like the title of this song.  How
> narrow-minded for an open-minded guy!  If the title of this song
offends
> you, and that stupid loser that ruined the prodigy doesn't(the
dumbshit
> "singer"), you have some problems.
>
> #1  It's called freedom of speech, baby!
>
> #2  Does the title actually mean anything?  If so, don't buy prodigy
cds.
> I hope you don't buy them anyway.  I have some of their old cds from
when
> they were good, but I bought them all used, so I didn't give them any
>money.
>
> #3  Did it ever occur to anyone that 9 out of 10 people who are
"offended"
> by this song title like stuff like "Bobby Digital" , Wu-Tang, etc.  In
>which there is not a single song that goes by without enormous amounts
of
>women-degredation,  violence, etc.  Almost every popular hip-hop
group/solo
>artist out there, including the women (Foxy Brown)  degrade women.  It
> doesn't bother me, 'cause whenever you  degrade someone else, you just
> prove how shallow and frightened you are.  I listen to a lot of
>Hardtrance,
> Gabber, and some old death metal, which all have disgusting
connotations,
> but it  doesn't matter because these guys aren't serious, just
releasing
>anger.  At least some of those famous(read infamous) rappers actually
>believe that women are inferior and good for "dick-suck purposes only"
If
>you buy albums of crap like Boby digital, then you are supporting the
>problem.  It's like paying someone to piss on you(unless you like that
>stuff......)
>
>#4 If Moby is not into smacking bitches up, then why hang out even for
a
> second with a pathetic prick like Axl Rose?  He was charged with
beating
> his wife, in case you don't remember.
>
>#5  "Bitch" means female dog, so maybe we should feel sorry for any
dogs
> owned by the prodigy.
>
> #6  The word "Bitch" is widely used on males, also.  I've called my
>friends
> bitches before(male and female)  in a jestly sort of way, and vice
versa.

   In today's society, words could mean anything. Bitch could be taken
in at least 10,542.146 different ways.


> Just about everyone I've ever met has called friends by names like
that.
> If it offends you you're gonna have a very hard life.
>
>Lighten up people!  What's in a name?
>
>MO
>
>


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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) built to spill (non-moby..sorry)
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:15:34 -0800 (PST)

im sorry, but i just have to comment on built to spill.
they fucking rule.

they have not sold out, just moved to a major label.
i have not heard their new record, but what i have heard of it is dope.

but i prefer their earlier stuff, like "in the morning". god that shit
is bliss.
but its cool that they now have the drummer from the spinanes, one of
my other fave iny-rock type bands. i just listened to "manos" (by the
spinanes) yesterday, and that has got to be one of the most underrated
debuts in alternative rock. their newer stuff isnt as good either.

MOBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay, ill shut up now. please dont start a war. please?


==
"YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
-sifl and olly
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From: Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Narrow-minded Moby? (was Re: Prodigy)
Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:14:56 -0500

On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 11:07:15AM -0600, Derek Goodwrench wrote:

>    Very true. My best friend (whom I got the cd off of) doesn't like the
> song, but only because he doesn't like how it sounds; he could care less
> what it was titled.

> > I'm sorry to hear that moby didn't like the title of this song.  How
> > narrow-minded for an open-minded guy!  If the title of this song
> offends
> > you, and that stupid loser that ruined the prodigy doesn't(the
> dumbshit
> > "singer"), you have some problems.
Sometimes, when you're being watched by a lot of fans that would jump
from a bridge if you'd tell them so, you must be careful with how you
express your opinion. I do like Prodigy's song, and I'm not sure if
Moby does it, too, but some people could think drugs are good to take
if he said that a song titled "I'm a coca junkie" rocks.
Do you know what I mean ?

My 5 cent.
Jonathan.

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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #338
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:02:31 PST

any
>artists that are not exactly "mainstream" that they can recommend?  my
>interests are techno/light goth/light industrial/rock

Old - Formula
Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind
Chrome - Retro Transmission

--a

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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Swans
Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:26:04 PST

My Swans pick is Swans are Dead, from '98. Incredible 2CD live document
of their last-ever tour. Monumental-sounding.

Matos

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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) What?!
Date: 21 Feb 1999 14:21:13 +0900

Yo, I know this is the Moby list, but I can't beleive someone didn't mention
that Underworld - Beaucoup Fish is out! I walked into HMV and almost fell over
when I saw a huge pile of them sitting there. I have only listen to the track
1 and part of 2 so far, but it is awesome! A huge step up from Second Toughest
and so far it is better than Dub no Bass! Later.
AJ



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From: mark reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 20 Feb 1999 04:55:03 +0000

In message <[e-mail]>, AJ Brustein
<[e-mail]> writes
>Yo, I know this is the Moby list, but I can't beleive someone didn't mention
>that Underworld - Beaucoup Fish is out! I walked into HMV and almost fell over
>when I saw a huge pile of them sitting there. I have only listen to the track
>1 and part of 2 so far, but it is awesome! A huge step up from Second Toughest
>and so far it is better than Dub no Bass! Later.
>AJ
>
Ok, where in the world are you, because the Underworld list is going
nuts trying to find copies asasp.. I have a promo tape, BF is awesome..
interesting fact "Kittens" was known as Stack My Fridge Up.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 20 Feb 1999 10:11:19 EST

AHH>>> i love underworld i forgot that it was coming out in febuary ....
i havent heard anything off it ... though i heard it was going to be kind more
like born slippy style ... a but heavier D&B is it ?

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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 22 Feb 1999 00:21:58 +0900

Ok, you guys want a copy of Beaucoup Fish. Go to Ebay and look underworld. It
is eBay, the thing Steve Price is always glorifying (which I wish he wouldn't,
it is bad enough i have to fight him for CDs, let alone more Moby fans)
www.ebay.com. It is the real thing. I know. I listed it. Sorry for anyone who
doesn't care. But, I have asome Moby news. I got my 3rd copy of the 2CD AR.
Anyone want to trade? And for anyone so lazy, here is the direct link to BF:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69159639
Oh yea, the whole CD is awesome. Especicially track 4: Shuddder/King of Snake.
Later.
AJ

mark reed wrote:
>
> In message <[e-mail]>, AJ Brustein
> <[e-mail]> writes
> >Yo, I know this is the Moby list, but I can't beleive someone didn't mention
> >that Underworld - Beaucoup Fish is out! I walked into HMV and almost fell over
> >when I saw a huge pile of them sitting there. I have only listen to the track
> >1 and part of 2 so far, but it is awesome! A huge step up from Second Toughest
> >and so far it is better than Dub no Bass! Later.
> >AJ
> >
> Ok, where in the world are you, because the Underworld list is going
> nuts trying to find copies asasp.. I have a promo tape, BF is awesome..
> interesting fact "Kittens" was known as Stack My Fridge Up.
> --
> mark reed



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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 22 Feb 1999 01:19:07 +0900

Sorry. Did I say Steve Price? I meant Steve Giles. Too many. And I am sorry if
I am sending so many emails but I just wanted to say I don't think Beaucoup
Fish is D&B at all. All I know is Roni Size and Goldie and they are nothing
like this. This is much better. IT is kind of technoy, alittle bit of an old
school feeling with those definate Underworld vocals. I am definatly the worst
at describing music, so I will do my best with this: it is awesome. I am sure
there at MP3s floating around somewhere. Check you all later.
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From: "the bergstroms" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 20 Feb 1999 16:16:11 -0800

>I am definatly the worst
>at describing music, so I will do my best with this: it is awesome. I am
sure
>there at MP3s floating around somewhere.

Hrm... yeah, the offical underworld website gave out the mp3 of kittens a
few weeks ago. So that's going to be all over the place.  I heard a
different new underworld track on the radio last night. all i can say is
PURE CRAP.  i had to turn off the radio half way thru it was so bad.  i
can't remember the name of the track tho... i'm sure as soon as i post this
message the name will come to me. anyway, i'm not going to bother buying
this new cd.

Permanent Midnight is out on video now.  can one actually HEAR honey
anywhere in the movie, or is it just on the soundtrack? anyone see this
flick?  oh well... i'm off to watch bond. james bond. *gag* at least it's
Tomorrow Never Dies. hehehe. peace.

-kelly

I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 20 Feb 1999 15:24:05 PST

>Hrm... yeah, the offical underworld website gave out the mp3 of kittens
a
>few weeks ago. So that's going to be all over the place.  I heard a
>different new underworld track on the radio last night. all i can say
is
>PURE CRAP.  i had to turn off the radio half way thru it was so bad.  i
>can't remember the name of the track tho... i'm sure as soon as i post
this
>message the name will come to me. anyway, i'm not going to bother
buying
>this new cd.

I realize this is a Moby list (to preempt any protests) but I have to
say I can't understand why anyone would buy an Underworld CD the first
time around, much less now. I didn't like that "look at me, I'm a scary
madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap when Pink Floyd did it, and I'm not a
fan now. But hey.

Matos

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From: Chris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 20 Feb 1999 19:52:04 -0700

i'm just wondering, what exactly are you talking about?  i have yet to see
either of those groups display anything resembling "that look at me i'm a
scary madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap..."  is it maybe because you do not
comprehend vocals that don't always make logical sense?

I didn't like that "look at me, I'm a scary
>madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap when Pink Floyd did it, and I'm not a
>fan now. But hey.
>


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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 20 Feb 1999 21:23:37 CST




    Speaking of dnb, has anyone heard of a group called WE? I heard a
song by them awhile back, and thought it was pretty decent. Can't
remember the name of it, but it's on the tip of my tongue. Sounded like
Spring Heel Jack, who are the gods of dnb.



   d...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 20 Feb 1999 22:39:00 EST

INDEED !!
i too i have yet to see either of those groups display anything resembling
"that look at me i'm a scary madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap..."
but i do comprihend there lyrics... well at least underworlds you just gotta
listen ... some songs you cant even if you try due to there low tone ... but
not all of underworld is DANCE alot of its more like just chillin music ...
its good party music though ... for people to just talk and mildly dance and
have fun...

underworld is iNTELLEEgeent musik ... live with it
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) spring heel jack ...
Date: 20 Feb 1999 22:41:01 EST

they are great ... anyone who wants to listen to some good D/B get
busy/curious/thirsty... i love hale bopp ...

--- no i have never heard of WE... and i looked up in a catalog ..[isolation
tank] where i order alot of my music from and its not in there either ...
perhaps its a local band ?

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From: Christopher Dovichak <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 21 Feb 1999 00:57:47 -0500 (EST)

Somebody turned me onto WE about a year ago. I picked up their self-titled
disc--in green cardboard packaging--and it was pretty good. I was
listening to a lot of experimental hip-hop at the time--like Latryx and
Q-Burn's Abstract Message, so I don't think I gave it enough of a chance.
But just based on what I remember I would reccomend it. It is pretty much
instrumental, heavy of strings, light on the beats. And while I'm writing,
I'll toss in my two scents on the new Underworld. I haven't heard it. I
got turned onto Underworld like everyone else I know--BornSlippy--a song
whose calibre I have yet to see them match--I was somewhat let down by
Second Toughest...and even more so by Pearl's Girl--I left them and became
a big Orbital fan (their live shows are fantastic)still, the string of
that one song will make me at least listen to the new album--they deserve
it
Chris (second-time poster)
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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Derek Goodwrench wrote:

>
>
>
>     Speaking of dnb, has anyone heard of a group called WE? I heard a
> song by them awhile back, and thought it was pretty decent. Can't
> remember the name of it, but it's on the tip of my tongue. Sounded like
> Spring Heel Jack, who are the gods of dnb.
>
>
>
>    d...
>
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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:43:16 PST

Chris Perkins wrote:

>i'm just wondering, what exactly are you talking about?  i have yet to
see
>either of those groups display anything resembling "that look at me i'm
a
>scary madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap..."  is it maybe because you do
not
>comprehend vocals that don't always make logical sense?

No, it's because I'm not easily impressed by the kind of stuff that
makes people say, "ooh, it doesn't make logical sense and therefore it
must be DEEP and MEANINGFUL." Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and
obviously you don't have to agree. BTW, Pink Floyd did it on Dark Side
of the Moon and Underwear do it on "Born Slippy." My interpretation
anyhow. And we're getting way off-base with this; email me privately if
you have more.

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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What?!
Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:46:32 PST

Speaking of dnb, has anyone heard of a group called WE? I heard a
>song by them awhile back, and thought it was pretty decent. Can't
>remember the name of it, but it's on the tip of my tongue. Sounded like
>Spring Heel Jack, who are the gods of dnb.

We's first album, As Is, was one of my favorite albums of '97; their new
one should be out this spring. There's a cut from both As Is & the new
one on a superb new compilation called Asphodelic, which in addition to
being a wonderful record retails for about $7 new.

Waiting with bated breath for the next SHJ, too. And Moby, of course.

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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Swans
Date: 22 Feb 1999 05:45:11 -0800

You are going to knock Underworld as well as promote Swans info, huh?
Well if you want to talk about complete and utter crap
then let me know if you have heard the latest CD from Jarboe!!!!
I got a promo for it months ago and I must say it's probably
the most disgusting, sick demented shit you could ever hope to hear.
And to think I used to like the Swans...she's a fucking freak
paul

Michael Matos wrote:
>
> My Swans pick is Swans are Dead, from '98. Incredible 2CD live document
> of their last-ever tour. Monumental-sounding.
>
> Matos
>
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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 22 Feb 1999 06:38:30 -0800

"look at me I'm a madman, whoo-haaa-haaa! crap"?????
You obviously have your head way up your ass.
Funny that you are using 'Born Slippy' as your example too,
if you are going to pass judgements on Underworld
then why use thier one mainstream song as an example?
I don't see one bit of what you do in Underworld-
and there are really no comparisons to Pink Floyd
that can be made except for the fact that DJ Paul
Oakenfold likes to mix Born Slippy and Pink Floyd
during his set (which obviously gave you some subliminal
idea that you had a real opinion about an artist
you obviously have not heard much of)

Maybe I'm wrong and you have heard plenty to
formulate your opinion, but I don't see how you
came to find Underworld "ooooh, scary- i'm a
weirdo for the sake of being weird" or whatever.

Sounds like a harsh flame?
You bet, Underworld is probably my favorite group.
I can see comparing them to New Order and even
Moby- who also both have strange, artsy lyrics
and like to mix techno with vocals and even
traditional guitar, bass and drums- but not Pink
Floyd. Maybe you haven't heard enough PF to make
that conclusion either because their early
stuff is waaaay beyond just "i'm a scary madman"
it's incomprehensible nonsense most of the time
(i still love it)
later flyod was more like any progressive rock
band, except with razor sharp production skills
and top notch songwriting.

First of all, Underworld (MKii, not the 80s lineup)
has much more instrumental songs than lyrical-
and when the lyrics are used I agree that they are
often cryptic and surreal, but like any good poetry
can grow to mean something different to each person.
Insanity is kept at a minimum as far a s I can tell,
but of course I'm insane so.....
Karl's vocals are often clouded by the robotic
vocoder effects but still manage to paint clear
imagery- one of my favorite lyrical compositions
is Juanita "listening to the barbed wire hanging".
Reminding me alot of Jim Morrisson's poetry- bizarre
imagery, dark concepts and a modern style.
Then he also touches on many other styles, sometimes
reminding me of beatnik poets (moaner)and sometimes relying
more on the sound and rhythm of the words rather
than the meaning borrowing from a tribal style of
vocal rhythm (like Cowgirl and Spikee to name a couple).

Anyway, the new Underworld album is great- just as
good as the other two albums (mkii) and definately
the best thing that has come out in 1999 (well, soon)
It's hard to believe someone had to turn off one of the
new songs because they hated it! Mostly they have
been playing Push Upstairs and King Of Snake on the
radio- the first being fast, hard and kind of a funky
techno industrial groove and KOS is more of a disco/house
kind of feel (total ripoff of Donna Summer 'I Feel Love'
bassline). There are several ambient moments on the album and
the style varies from track to track much like Moby- Everything
Is Wrong.

He's not trying to be weird for attention, he's an incredible
poet with an original style and never ever over does it.
that's my 2 cents plus a hot pepper

You can check out my latest Techno Mix in realaudio
and hear an Underworld remix (King Of Snake) as well
as Moby's Honey (Rollo & Sister Bliss Blunt Edit)
http://www.stitch.com

paul


Michael Matos wrote:
>
> Chris Perkins wrote:
>
> >i'm just wondering, what exactly are you talking about?  i have yet to
> see
> >either of those groups display anything resembling "that look at me i'm
> a
> >scary madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap..."  is it maybe because you do
> not
> >comprehend vocals that don't always make logical sense?
>
> No, it's because I'm not easily impressed by the kind of stuff that
> makes people say, "ooh, it doesn't make logical sense and therefore it
> must be DEEP and MEANINGFUL." Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and
> obviously you don't have to agree. BTW, Pink Floyd did it on Dark Side
> of the Moon and Underwear do it on "Born Slippy." My interpretation
> anyhow. And we're getting way off-base with this; email me privately if
> you have more.
>
> Matos
>
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From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) End of Underworld
Date: 22 Feb 1999 08:56:48 -0700


Hello, hello, and hello...

Maybe now is a good time to retire the Underworld conversation, ay?!

:)


Fantazia - British Anthems 2000
CD One Mixed by Jeremy Healy
Track 12. Moby - Honey

"Moby goes a long way to back to the early days of Fantazia and our
infamous parties. 'Honey' is his latest release and a favorite of Jeremy
Healys.  With this mix, 'Honey' is the sort of tune that creeps up on
you.  Just when the mix appears all quiet, suddenly it hits you with a
wicked vocal led build that just gets higher and higher.  One of the
many marks of an anthem."

Jeremy doesn't have the most cred but I thought I'd quote it anyway.


Damian
--
In rotation this date:
Fantazia - British Anthems 2000, CD Two
Roos: Instant Moments (Twisted America)
Skinny: Failure (Cheeky UK)



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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) moby in the mix
Date: 22 Feb 1999 11:32:42 PST

>>>I'm replying to Damian's quoting of a DJ>>>

Sounds like a description of Sharam Jey's Sweet Honey mix. I've seen
Honey showing up in many different DJ mix comps which I see advertised
in trading places. None of them ever bother to quote the name of which
mix is used, though.

I saw some Honey 12"s at the store yesterday (which was a surprise), but
no Honey CDs.  ?

That guy is lagging on that promo CD with the NIN Hurt mix. I suspect
he's made a promise he can't deliver on. Sorry if I got your hopes up,
people. I'll let you know if he actually turns it up (he owns 1500+ CDs)
but I suspect he won't.

BTW, The Opus III mixes are all that and a barrel of monkeys.


-Steve

In rotation tonight: (I'm rockin it nowadays)
REM - Up
Pearl Jam - Live On Two Legs
Gomez - Bring It On

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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) uh...moby?????
Date: 22 Feb 1999 12:09:15 -0800 (PST)

yeah where did moby go on this list anyway???


all this underworld talk...making me choke...
i personally like them, but from what ive heard of the new album
(about 3 songs, all of which i taped off the electro circus) i was not
pleased. too basic-house crap, just with male voclals intead of
female. not d'n'b at all. i love their other stuff tho. i even think
their 80's stuff is better than their new stuff

oh god will i offend some underworld fans with that one :P

anyway, speaking of electro circus, last week they had a guest dj who
played a whole bunch of cool shit....much better than dave the wave...
he played a housey type mix of "honey" that sounded a lot like
faithless..partly because he mixed it with faithless....yes, it was
the rollo/bliss mix... i think

and also he played a record by Johnny shaker (aka sharam jey) or
something, called "pearl river". it featured female vocals, including
some "yeah"s that sound EXACTLY like she was trying to copy those from
"go."  i mean, it didn't sound exactly like they were sampled, but it
sounded like she was trying to imitate them.

um, anyone heard "run on"? what does it sound like?

hello?


okay bye!
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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Pink Floyd
Date: 22 Feb 1999 14:08:51 CST



    You bet. Ever try to figure out Pink Floyd tabliature without
screwing up at least 4 dozen times? David Gilmour is one of the 3 best
guitarists ever. Period. PF was mezmerizing.

    Moby...

  d...


>later flyod was more like any progressive rock
>band, except with razor sharp production skills
>and top notch songwriting.
>
>>
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) uh...moby?????
Date: 22 Feb 1999 16:52:30 EST

i'm sorry i understand this is a moby list but every day 10 times a day theres
not gonna be moby news ... so while theres no moby news ... why not talk about
other great musicians ????

____QgO



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From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby in the mix
Date: 22 Feb 1999 20:05:41 -0700

Steve Giles wrote:
>
> >>>I'm replying to Damian's quoting of a DJ>>>
>
> Sounds like a description of Sharam Jey's Sweet Honey mix.

Hey Steve, you are right.

I forgot to say which mix was on the CD, it is credited on the back of
the packaging.  I got the compilation because I was excited to see HONEY
included in year end CD... plus there are some other good tunes.
Allister Whitehead remixes the second CD, just for your 10-14.

Okay, gotta go...

BTW: Brad, I'm not much into MP3... I need to get a clue.


damian
[e-mail]

np: Cevin Fisher - The Freaks Come Out (2000 Freaks Mix)
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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 22 Feb 1999 19:22:37 PST

All I've got to say--and it's all I'm GOING to say, this subject has
exhausted itself--is that anybody who talks about how great Jim
Morrison's poetry is has their head up THEIR ass.

Matos


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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
Date: 22 Feb 1999 20:17:59 -0800 (PST)





---Michael Matos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> All I've got to say--and it's all I'm GOING to say, this subject has
> exhausted itself--is that anybody who talks about how great Jim
> Morrison's poetry is has their head up THEIR ass.
>
> Matos
>
>
NICE, Just another example of just one more wonderful closed mind on
this list. What are you 16??

Bri


P.S. Its all music please learn to respect how the music that you
listen to today reflects the music of yesterday. Keep an open mind, Im
not saying LOVE everything but dont cut it!!!!

==




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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Have to ask
Date: 22 Feb 1999 20:42:47 PST

Gotta ask: how does expressing one's opinion on something they're quite
familiar with (as I am with Pink Floyd, Underworld, and Jim Morrison's
poetry all) prove any sort of closed-mindedness? Because you like it and
I don't, and therefore I'm closed-minded? Wouldn't that make YOU
closed-minded for not agreeing with ME? Or does it not work that way?

Matos

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From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Have to ask
Date: 22 Feb 1999 21:16:31 -0800 (PST)






---Michael Matos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Gotta ask: how does expressing one's opinion on something they're
quite
> familiar with (as I am with Pink Floyd, Underworld, and Jim
Morrison's
> poetry all) prove any sort of closed-mindedness? Because you like it
and
> I don't, and therefore I'm closed-minded? Wouldn't that make YOU
> closed-minded for not agreeing with ME? Or does it not work that way?
>

Well it does sound like a defence to me.
It is closed minded if you can not state a point to back up you other
wise ignorant sounding statement.
I would say that I am not closed minded, because I respect a point if
it has value not spite. I would like to hear an intelegent arguement
from you besides " This sucks, That sucks", Please if this is at all
up your alley you know my e-mail address.

Peace
Bri
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) I'm back (big f***in' deal)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 00:40:28 EST

Hello, Mobites!!!!!!

     I return to the list stronger, faster.  Wait......my computer is stronger
and faster.......

Anyway, back when I was on the list I said I was going to make MP3's for all.
I AM STICKING TO MY PROMISE!!!!   What I have done is made a Word95/97
Document containing all of my CD's (roughly 720) including imports with track
listings and track lengths.  I will distribute my .doc to anyone who sends me
an email with (MP3LIST) in their subject.  What happens next is up to you, you
could delete it (a most for all) OR you could email me back with what songs
you want MP3'd.  I have almost all my songs on my HD (I now have 75GB of Hard
Drive space!!!!!) and I will send them to you.  Some people have trouble when
I send large files from this account (AOL blows) so I have 2 other email
accounts that should work.  I am currently working on my web page which should
be up soon which will have all this information.

Thank you,
Carmen Barone
[e-mail]

p.s.  To make this Moby related, I own 74 Moby CD's so if you are aching to
hear a certain version of a Moby remix, I most likely have it.



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From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) move
Date: 23 Feb 1999 02:24:18 -0500

For the longest time now I have exhausted myself ordering different
versions of the move single, and have yet to find the mix I am looking for.

So to you all I ask this question for help, does anyone out there know at
all if the Move (extended mix) is available to buy on a cd? Where I can get
it, or if you have seen it on an on-line shop to buy--new or used, it
doesn't really matter. I have three different version of the single, and
not one of them contains this mix :(.  I had it a long time ago on a tape
which I had got off the radio. Some of you canadian subscribers will know
of the Chris Shepard Pirate Radio Sessions (ugh!) God awful radio but it
was all we had!!!

He played it years ago, and haven't heard it since. It was a beautiful
remix for it's relentless bassline and keyboards which never let up, or let
you down. The extended keyboards at the end near end of the song was all
the more poetic, as the bass, synth and vocals died down, to obscurity.

I would be very greatful if anyone could tell me id they have seen it
listed on-line, and where about that they saw it.


Thx.
Brett McSherry

P.S. Someone earlier was asking about some new music that they might want
to give a try to, how about Legion of Green Men--Spatial Specific, King
Cobb Steelie--Junior Relaxer(which has a great remix at the end buy LoGM!),
or anything by Machines of Loving Grace.
The legion disc has a song on their called Philosopher's Stone which has to
be about as monumental for me as Moby's "God moving over the face of the
Waters" was. Pure emotions surge as the song takes place. The begining of
the song feels like a tease, because you know what is coming later and how
the song will go but it seems to take forever to get there as the
instruments take shape. I loved it. It is on the Plus 8 label which is the
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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) new thread
Date: 23 Feb 1999 00:01:51 -0800

Well, as a self proclaimed "rock critic" you must realize
that people will only listen to your opinion if they
feel you have similar tastes and share a common appreciation-
and by knocking first Pink Flyod and then Jim Morrisson
you manage to alienate half the rock fans out there- throw
in Zepplin and no one over 30 will ever agree with you- perhaps
that is your intention, to be a "rebel without a brain"
and appeal to the younger crowd who only know that PF and
the Doors are something thier parents like and therefore must suck.
It's easy to write negative reviews, I for one never listen
to rock critics period, I think they all love to knock
whatever they don't like or understand and spend more time
writing about why an album sucks rather than find one they
feel good about reccommending to people.
I'm not saying you are close minded (yet) but I do question
your overall generalizions like "whoooweee i'm a crazy madman stuff".
Tell us where it is you are coming from here!
What kind of music most appeals to you?
I would guess the droll sounds of a nice straightforward
garage band / big guitar sound maybe like grunge or "new punk"
with lyrics about teenage problems or something. I did not
recognize any of the bands you had said you were into and
I would assume they are all underground indie rock bands,
so what kind of style do they have and what, if any, mainstream
acts can they be compared to?
And lastly, as a "rock" critic you should stay away from
reviewing electronic and techno music- most people who
listen to electronic music exclusively and try to write
reviews aren't even qualified so how can a rock critic be?
Look how all the techno critics reacted to "Animal Rights",
they all hated it and gave it a bad review. They all had
their heads waay up their ass! Why? Because they wanted to
hear techno and it wasn't what they wanted. A very spoiled
kid type of mindset- then they bashed it to "punish" Moby
and make him put out more techno, as if he was wrong for
making a rock album. So lay off lazy stereotypes and instead
tell us what you think we SHOULD be listening to.
We may laugh, we may try it out- who knows.
paul


Michael Matos wrote:
>
> All I've got to say--and it's all I'm GOING to say, this subject has
> exhausted itself--is that anybody who talks about how great Jim
> Morrison's poetry is has their head up THEIR ass.
>
> Matos
>
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From: "Johan Jaatinen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2???
Date: 23 Feb 1999 11:24:23 +0100

Hi all!

I was just wondering if anything ever happened to Thanks 2. I sent away a
master with a remix of ATINITBL to Ryu, and then I had to leave the list. I
heard Ryu also disappeared, so has anyone else taken over the project to
finish Thanks 2?

I'd be glad if anyone who has been on the list for the last few months
could sort things out for me...

Cheers,
Johan.

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From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) [Fwd: question]
Date: 23 Feb 1999 07:01:08 -0700

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I am forwarding this email to the list because it comes from a
non-member.  This person is requesting we respond to her & not just the
list itself.  I recommended subscribing but that's not in their
interest.  IMO, it's an interesting question and worth the bother.

My initial response to this person was:

"I have never known Moby to describe himself as straight-edge and off
the top of my head, I don't think many other people have either.  But it
seems this might be an easy conclusion to come to".

When responding (if at all) try to include both addresses:

Zeb Tortorici <[e-mail]> &
Mobility <[e-mail]>


Thanks,
Damian.
[e-mail]

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Happy Mondays - Step On
Randy Crawford - Wishing On A Star
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does anyone know if moby is straight-edge?  i know he was, but did his
views change?  i appreciate any info.  thanks.  -zeb ([e-mail])

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From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Have to ask
Date: 23 Feb 1999 11:55:19 -0700

uh oh.. here we go again!!!!  is it that time of the month again where
we all have to bitch about each other?  hmm... i guess i forgot to mark
this in my calendar.

plov

Michael Matos wrote:
>
> Gotta ask: how does expressing one's opinion on something they're quite
> familiar with (as I am with Pink Floyd, Underworld, and Jim Morrison's
> poetry all) prove any sort of closed-mindedness? Because you like it and
> I don't, and therefore I'm closed-minded? Wouldn't that make YOU
> closed-minded for not agreeing with ME? Or does it not work that way?
>
> Matos
>
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Straight edge
Date: 23 Feb 1999 18:55:53 +0000

what are you talking about?



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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new thread
Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:08:34 PST

Paul wrote:

Well, as a self proclaimed "rock critic" you must realize
>that people will only listen to your opinion if they
>feel you have similar tastes and share a common appreciation-
>and by knocking first Pink Flyod and then Jim Morrisson
>you manage to alienate half the rock fans out there-

Don't know about that. I know plenty of people (who aren't critics!) who
don't like either PF or JM. I don't mind Floyd or the Doors,
actually--both certainly have their moments. But I find their
canonization distressing since there's lots of better bands out there.

throw
>in Zepplin and no one over 30 will ever agree with you

Oh bullshit. Are people really that sheeplike? I think not--and I also
think that, as fun as generalizations like that are (I made one when I
said what I did about Morrison fans) they're ultimately damaging. So
yes, some clarification is in order, and I'm happy to provide it from my
end.

- perhaps
>that is your intention, to be a "rebel without a brain"
>and appeal to the younger crowd who only know that PF and
>the Doors are something thier parents like and therefore must suck.

Perhaps your intention is to be just as willfully stupid as you're
accusing me of being. Rebel without a brain--that's right, I don't
actually have these opinions, they're not based on anything, I'm just
being a knee-jerk reactionary because I think it'll make me cool. Who
actually THINKS like that, anyway? Beside which, my parents HATED that
music. And I LOVED it, or at least some of it. So any accusations that
way are pretty off-base.

>It's easy to write negative reviews, I for one never listen
>to rock critics period, I think they all love to knock
>whatever they don't like or understand and spend more time
>writing about why an album sucks rather than find one they
>feel good about reccommending to people.

No, you must NOT read any rock criticism, because anybody who does knows
that writing negative reviews is about the lsat thing critics like
doing. It's depressing, for one thing, to concentrate on music you don't
like. Here's a challenge for you: find something you don't like. Acquire
a copy, and then listen to it everyday for a week. Then try to write
1000 words about it. Go ahead, see how much fun it is trying to
articulate why you don't like something. Well, it CAN be fun, there's no
denying that, but enforced exposure to music you dislike can be
soul-robbing. And that's why most critics write about stuff they LIKE
most of the time.

>I'm not saying you are close minded (yet) but I do question
>your overall generalizions like "whoooweee i'm a crazy madman stuff".
>Tell us where it is you are coming from here!
>What kind of music most appeals to you?

Jesus...I have 1300+ CDs (and counting). I like EVERYTHING. Obviously I
like Moby--that's why I'm on this list (which I was on when it started,
too, BTW, though under a different address). That's why I respond to
individual queries: to get across what I do and don't like about
something. Vagueness doesn't do a lot for me, lyrically or musically.
When Underworld or the Lo-Fidelity Allstars' frontmen start
free-associating, I confess to finding it dull.

>I would guess the droll sounds of a nice straightforward
>garage band / big guitar sound maybe like grunge or "new punk"
>with lyrics about teenage problems or something.

What's funny about that statement (which made me laugh out loud) is the
eternal teenage belief that the more "meaningless" something is, the
"more there is to read into it." It's really easy to say the sky is
falling when you never leave the house; similarly, vagueness that
doesn't have any real meaning "but can mean something different to
everyone" is easy to do if you don't actually have anything to say.
Indirection is fine--some of my favorite writers get at their meanings
without making them explicit. But unless you have a poet's way with
words (and I don't think Karl or Wrekked Train do), free-association is
a copout a lot of the time.

By the way, how necessary is it to say that you can feel free to
disagree with me--vocally even--without being called a big poopyhead, as
seems to be the case with some of the responses I've gotten?

I did not
>recognize any of the bands you had said you were into and
>I would assume they are all underground indie rock bands,
>so what kind of style do they have and what, if any, mainstream
>acts can they be compared to?

Give me examples and I'll give you some.

>And lastly, as a "rock" critic you should stay away from
>reviewing electronic and techno music- most people who
>listen to electronic music exclusively and try to write
>reviews aren't even qualified so how can a rock critic be?

Well, since about 75% of what I listen to falls under the rubric of
techno etc. (as I refer to it), I'd say that I have not only a right but
an obligation to write about it. Simon Reynolds is a rock critic--yet he
writes mostly about techno. Does the fact that he was into guitar music
for years before techno came around disqualify him? No, because he
writes well and has a great deal of passion and knowledge to back up his
writing. Same, I'd hope, for me.

>Look how all the techno critics reacted to "Animal Rights",
>they all hated it and gave it a bad review. They all had
>their heads waay up their ass! Why? Because they wanted to
>hear techno and it wasn't what they wanted. A very spoiled
>kid type of mindset- then they bashed it to "punish" Moby
>and make him put out more techno, as if he was wrong for
>making a rock album.

I think that making that album was the smartest thing Moby could have
done at that point. I am convinced that within five years it will be
seen as an act of genius. Seriously. Instead of attempting to ride the
"electronica" wave, he asserted his artistic identity at whatever the
cost. It's this kind of thing that makes me a fan instead of just an
admirer.

Regarding your dis of critics, I call myself a rock critic instead of a
techno one because I work within a certain critical tradition that has
nothing to do with the "this is a good track for 3 AM in a warehouse or
5 AM at a New York club, 9/10" type of shit you read in most dance mags.
Writing criticism isn't as easy as it looks--or at least doing it well
isn't. ANd I try to do it well. A good critic can make you understand
their point of view, make you understand why they like or dislike it,
and you don't even have to agree with them to respect their viewpoint. A
good example is my friend Keith Harris, who wrote an article praising
Alanis Morrissette. I despise Alanis Morrissette, I think her music is
horrible, yet when I read his piece I had a different appreciation for
her. Not that my opinion changed. But I understood what people who like
her like ABOUT her.

So lay off lazy stereotypes and instead
>tell us what you think we SHOULD be listening to.
>We may laugh, we may try it out- who knows.

But that misses the point entirely! A critic isn't there to dictate
terms. A critic is there to help define what a piece of music means--for
them, and maybe for you. I think Jim Morrison is a lousy poet and Pink
Floyd are pompous and Underworld are joyless and boring. You don't.
That's democracy. And I've gone on long enough.

Till next time,
Matos

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From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Tomorrow Never Dies
Date: 23 Feb 1999 18:34:06 -0800

you know you're obsessive when....

you manage to work Moby into an essay about Tomorrow Never Dies, and if the
producers of the new james bond flicks were successful in creating a "bond"
film.  in other words, was tomorrow never dies a "real" bond movie?  i say
it is. so there :P

hehehehehehehe.
im always finding ways to mention moby in skool work. this is so sick.
oh well. back to my essay. peace.

-kelly

np: the tragically hip- day for night (cool canadian band.  i have a
love/hate relationship with their music.  right now i'm on one of my love
swings.  kickass lyrics.  and very high on the canadian content. whoo hoo!)

Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
     -Henry Louis Mencken, A Little Book in C Major



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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 23 Feb 1999 16:32:53 -0700

Brett McSherry wrote:
> For the longest time now I have exhausted myself ordering different
> versions of the move single, and have yet to find the mix I am looking for.

I think that what you want is "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)".
On all the CDs they pass off the radio edit of this song with the
same title.  The radio edit sucks and I hardly ever listen to it.
That's because I got spoiled by the absolutely wonderful full
version.

I searched for years before I found the full version of "Move (You
Make Me Feel So Good)".  It's on the UK 12" L12MUTE158.  It's also
on a US promo and maybe nonpromo 12".  I don't have any of the US
12"s.  As far as I can tell, this track never made it onto CD,
which I find inexplicable, since it's one of Moby's all-time best
tracks.  I would gladly trade all double-oh seven million versions
of the Bond theme single for a CD with this one track.

Perhaps such a CD exists.  I've seen two or three times in online
catalogs of disreputable Internet music stores a listing for a
Move CD that has seven tracks.  My attempts to buy it have been
unsuccessful, since it's not in stock anywhere on the planet.  I
think the CD, if it exists, is Japanese.  Yet nobody in Japan has
ever spoken up about it.  I hope that eventually this CD will turn
up and that it will contain the full version of "Move (You Make Me
Feel So Good)".

While on the subject of Move, I wonder why no UK release contains
the excellent "Disco Threat" mix.  The EIW remix 2CD doesn't count.

The US 6-track _Move_ EP is Moby's best release to date, and I am
just disappointed that its title track got such poor treatment on
CD.  You want the real "Move", you have to get the limited UK 12"
or one of those nice US 12"s that has it.

If Moby ever has a greatest hits album, it would be criminal to
not include the full version of "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)".
And since I don't see that happening anytime soon, I hope that it
will be included on an upcoming single or bonus CD or even a promo.
Just to get it on CD.  I have it on vinyl and tape, but only CDs
are good to listen to with my equipment.

Sorry for that long on-topic rant.  :)

Dan Cerman
http://www.moby.org/



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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Run On and Play
Date: 23 Feb 1999 16:56:08 -0700

I have some new Moby news from a reliable source.

The new single _Run On_ will be released in Europe (and of course
the UK) in mid-April.  It has *four* B-sides!  They are:  "Spirit",
"Running", "Sunday", and "Down Slow".

Moby's new album _Play_ will be released in Europe in May, and in
the United States in June.  Which US record label will put out the
record is still unknown, but probably will be known within the next
month.  _Play_ is currently being mastered, and has 18 songs!  The
track listing, which is still possibly subject to change, is:

  HONEY
  FIND MY BABY
  PORCELAIN
  WHY DOES MY HEART FEEL SO BAD?
  SOUTH SIDE
  RUSHING
  BODYROCK
  NATURAL BLUES
  MACHETE
  7
  RUN ON
  DOWN SLOW
  IF THINGS WERE PERFECT
  EVERLOVING
  INSIDE
  GUITAR, FLUTE & STRINGS
  THE SKY IS BROKEN
  MY WEAKNESS

Moby will tour Europe and North America starting in June.

---
Daniel Cerman
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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 25 Feb 1999 09:28:43 +0900

> Perhaps such a CD exists.  I've seen two or three times in online
> catalogs of disreputable Internet music stores a listing for a
> Move CD that has seven tracks.  My attempts to buy it have been
> unsuccessful, since it's not in stock anywhere on the planet.  I
> think the CD, if it exists, is Japanese.  Yet nobody in Japan has
> ever spoken up about it.  I hope that eventually this CD will turn
> up and that it will contain the full version of "Move (You Make Me
> Feel So Good)".

Well, Dan, you called? So, this elusive Move track could be on the Japanese
release of Move. Give me any info you know and I pretty much gaurantee I will
tell you if it exists or not. I kind of want to buy a new move anyway since
mine was used without a sticker! Later.
AJ



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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Run On and Play
Date: 25 Feb 1999 09:34:11 +0900

What?! I thought April it was out? Man this Play CD better be awesome. And did
Porcelean ever get released on single because I have yet to hear it. Sounds
cool though. Since I have only heard honey, does anyone know what style this
CD is? I kind of hope it is like EIW kind of mixed all together, but has
anyone heard anything other than Honey and Porcelean from the new album? Later.
AJ



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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:40:42 -0700

AJ Brustein wrote:
> Well, Dan, you called? So, this elusive Move track could be on the Japanese
> release of Move. Give me any info you know and I pretty much gaurantee I will
> tell you if it exists or not. I kind of want to buy a new move anyway since
> mine was used without a sticker! Later.

That's basically all the info I have.  A 7-track Move CD, possibly
from Japan.  I first saw it listed at CD Europe several years ago.
Later, I saw it listed at CD Banzai!  I have had bad experiences
with these places, so I don't recommend them (though CD Europe used
to have a good selection -- it's where I got my German "Hymn" CDs!).
And neither was able to procure this elusive CD.  I think I saw a
listing on GEMM (http://www.gemm.com/) for this CD just in the past
month, but I didn't bother ordering it, because the Canadian dealer
offering it had a horrendous string of negative feedback.

Dan



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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Play, Porcelain
Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:52:06 -0700

[was Re: (mobility) Run On and Play]

AJ Brustein wrote:
> What?! I thought April it was out? Man this Play CD better be awesome.

As is usual with all software and music release dates, this one
has slipped again.  In the meantime, look for new albums from the
Orb and Underworld.

> And did Porcelean ever get released on single because I have yet to hear it.

AFAIK, "Porcelain" is not going to come out as a single.  Which is
alright with me, because there are probably more single-worthy songs
on the album.  "Porcelain" is available on the _Playing By Heart_
soundtrack, which I bought.  The song is really nice, IMHO.  Probably
not anything of lasting greatness, but it is a good song that sounds
very late-'90s-Moby.  Harmonious with a slightly hip-hoppish beat.

> Since I have only heard honey, does anyone know what style this
> CD is? I kind of hope it is like EIW kind of mixed all together, but has
> anyone heard anything other than Honey and Porcelean from the new album?

I don't know for sure, but from the limited info I've heard, it is
kind of bluesy and more down-tempo than previous albums.  I don't
think it will be as stylistically heterogeneous as EIW, but I do
have high expectations for the music.  We'll just have to wait and
hear.

Dan



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From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Run On and Play
Date: 23 Feb 1999 18:58:46 -0600


-----Original Message-----
>The new single _Run On_ will be released in Europe (and of course
>the UK) in mid-April.
[snip]
>"Running"
>Moby's new album _Play_ has 18 songs!  The track listing,
[snip]
>  WHY DOES MY HEART FEEL SO BAD?

Hmm, could these be "Running Black Woman" and "Why You Hurt Me So" from the
infamous bootleg Outtakes cassette cleverly retitled? I hope so. Those are
the two best original songs in the collection. At least my two favorites.

BSC




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From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) The sickness of Swans & Thanks II
Date: 23 Feb 1999 19:55:41 PST

>From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (mobility) Swans
>
>You are going to knock Underworld as well as promote Swans info, huh?
>Well if you want to talk about complete and utter crap
>then let me know if you have heard the latest CD from Jarboe!!!!
>I got a promo for it months ago and I must say it's probably
>the most disgusting, sick demented shit you could ever hope to hear.
>And to think I used to like the Swans...she's a fucking freak
>paul
>

I don't know if my last message got through or not but I'll try again...

I'm not going to rag on you, personally, or your opinion but I would
like to ask you one question:

WHEN did you like the Swans?  They've ALWAYS been twisted.  Have you
read Michael Gira's poetry?  It's about getting fucked in the ass by
wealthy businessmen, stabbing and raping a homeless man, etc.  (All
highly symbolic of the society in which we live, mind you)  I'm assuming
(and am open to being wrong) that you heard 'The Burning World' and
liked it and then heard some of their 15 other albums and were appalled.
'The Burning World' was to the Swans what 'Animal Rights' was to Moby --
off the beaten path.  (coincidentally, some of the songs on AR sound
similar to The Burning World--acoustic guitar, violin, drum machine,
etc.)  The swans lyrics are nothing more than highly symbolic mind
stories.  I'm sorry you don't have the stomach for it.  Not everyone on
this list continually gets off on giddy-kiddy-techno (only the
closed-minded ravers).  I want to hear Moby's fun, enlightened, peaceful
craziness just as much as Michael Gira's acoustic guitar & violent
poetry.  I happen to own a couple Underworld singles which are fucking
great.  I disregard your & Matos' 'underworld vs. Swans' competition.
Both are great bands but for different reasons.  Apples & oranges,
guys...

which Jarboe promo CD is it?  since you hate it, would you like to sell
it to me?  : {]>

If you (or anyone) want to respond, do so but please refrain from
FLAMING.  I'm allergic to it...

ok, remotely Moby related...

Any news on 'Thanks II'?

--a

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From: Chris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Cc: [e-mail]
Date: 23 Feb 1999 21:37:43 -0700

could someobody please tell me where i can find a good site with lots of
goa/progressive trance/house/acid/techno/etc mp3s?  i've spent the past hour
looking and can't find a single functioning site.  any help is much appreciated.


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>The new single _Run On_ will be released in Europe (and of course
the UK) in mid-April.  It has *four* B-sides!  They are:  "Spirit",
"Running", "Sunday", and "Down Slow".

As I mentioned earlier, the themesong to Oprah is also named "Run On".
After reading the lyrics of the song (which I have included for you) I
find it amusing that Moby's b-sides are called "spirit" (just so happens
that this is a segment now on the revamped Oprah show), "Running",
"Sunday"
and "Down Slow".  Perhaps Moby had a similar idea behind his single, as
both he and Oprah are christian? What do you all think?

I believe I'll run on,
see what the end will be
I believe I'll work on
find out what waits for
I see ten thousand stories and glories and
dreams
I see angels right here on earth
I see laughing and growing and loving
and knowing what life is worth
so I'll run on and see what tomorrow will be
cause I like what I see
there's a new road to walk, a new song to
sing
a miracle in what a small change can bring
our hearts are open wide
got a new light shining inside
and it makes me wanna run on, see what
tomorrow will be
cause I like what I see
come on and run with me.

Well.. the lyrics are sort of idealistic, however, if
they help anyone out of a tough time... I dunno!
If I saw "angels right here on earth" I'd probably
not believe my eyes, or would see them as something else!
I'm sure other people would hand out pamphlets about them
coinciding to the world ending in the next 6 years.. 6
months, 6 days, 6 minutes.. and 66 seconds..
Others might claim that they are actually aliens.. and
(according to stereotypes from multiple movies) the United
States would solve the problem by dropping and atom bomb on
them!

Hee hee hee.....

Flame me if you will!

Laterz my cronies!

-Jennafur!

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From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) UK release of PLAY?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 23:48:06 -0600

Thanks for the info on play.  Do you know the exact date of it's UK release?
We should all start scouting online CD vendors to find out when we can
order/preorder the UK release here in the US.  I remember getting the Honey
CDs from Replay Records...

Does anyone know of anyother good UK distro sites that would offer shipping
to the US when PLAY comes out?  better yet, one that offers preorders?




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From: "Johan Jaatinen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 24 Feb 1999 08:23:30 +0100

>While on the subject of Move, I wonder why no UK release contains
>the excellent "Disco Threat" mix.  The EIW remix 2CD doesn't count.

I once owned a UK 2-track CD, containing "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)
[radio edit]" and "Move (Disco Threat Mix)". (I then got the US CD and sold
it.) So for once you're wrong Dan...

Cheers,
Johan.

_________________________________________________________________________
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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move
Date: 24 Feb 1999 01:32:47 -0700

Johan Jaatinen wrote:
> >While on the subject of Move, I wonder why no UK release contains
> >the excellent "Disco Threat" mix.  The EIW remix 2CD doesn't count.
>
> I once owned a UK 2-track CD, containing "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)
> [radio edit]" and "Move (Disco Threat Mix)". (I then got the US CD and sold
> it.) So for once you're wrong Dan...

OK, you got me.  Except for one thing...  Moby's UK folks don't seem
to think that these 2-track releases originate in the UK.  So either
they're licensed by Mute and produced outside of the UK, or they're
really made in the UK but officially disavowed for British chart
rules compliance reasons.  If there is another explanation, please
let me know.  I'm in the dark on this subject, and you live a lot
closer to the source.

I don't know what I'm talking about.  Time to go to bed... ;)

Dan



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) dj cake...
Date: 24 Feb 1999 09:05:38 EST

i was looking at amazon.com and tried the search engine..when i typed dj cake,
it came up showing a dj steve and cake...is this the one or something
else..elie



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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Run On and Play
Date: 24 Feb 1999 09:28:41 -0500

>Moby will tour Europe and North America starting in June.

Any word on venues and dates?  Or am i just a tad bit too early on this one?

daniel

"Even sitting in the garden one can still get stung" - Faithless




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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby's Summer 1999 Tour
Date: 24 Feb 1999 09:58:50 -0700

Daniel Redmond wrote:
>>Moby will tour Europe and North America starting in June.
>
>Any word on venues and dates?  Or am i just a tad bit too early on this one?

I don't know any venues and dates.  I think that http://www.fwwt.com/
will post the European ones when they become available, and there's
an outside chance that Mute will post the US dates on its website.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Dan



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From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's Summer 1999 Tour
Date: 24 Feb 1999 14:56:48 -0500

>Daniel Redmond wrote:
>>>Moby will tour Europe and North America starting in June.
>>
>>Any word on venues and dates?  Or am i just a tad bit too early on this one?
>
>I don't know any venues and dates.  I think that http://www.fwwt.com/
>will post the European ones when they become available, and there's
>an outside chance that Mute will post the US dates on its website.
>I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
>
>Dan



I have to say I really hope there is a NORTH in his North America tour
dates. That would suck if he didn't come to Canada to showcase his new
album. Oh well, if I had to drive by myself down to the US for a couple of
days to see a show I  would do it anyways. This should be a good summer for
album's though. After Moby's, the Machines of Loving Grace have a new one
coming out, the Tea Party should have one out in 2 or 3 months (I hear it's
better then the last), and hey now the Orb, kick ass I did not know that!
Looks like I just might have to spend my summer in front of my stereo.



Again about the move single that is terrible that a version to the song
that good would not see a cd single. However, I am pretty sure that if the
radio had at one point been playing the full version, there must be a
complilation of it somewhere up here. Seeing as a lot of radio jockey's now
just play cd's in their booth. I can't see how that song wouldn't have made
at least one complilation!


Brett McSherry



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From: Robert Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Greg Shipley
Date: 24 Feb 1999 15:10:29 -0600

Greg.
I sent you some tracks I did for the Mobility Thanks 2 compilation.
I've never heard from you. Did you recieve it?
Please let me know.
RT




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Greg Shipley
Date: 24 Feb 1999 17:06:38 -0600 (CST)



On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Robert Taylor wrote:

> I sent you some tracks I did for the Mobility Thanks 2 compilation.
> I've never heard from you. Did you recieve it?
> Please let me know.

Yup.  Got it.  Thanks! (and its pretty good, too!)

More coming....

-G





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From: Robert Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Greg Shipley
Date: 25 Feb 1999 08:12:50 -0600

Hey that's great! Can you maybe review some of the tracks to
let people know what to expect when Thanks 2 finally is released.

RT


[e-mail] wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Robert Taylor wrote:
>
> > I sent you some tracks I did for the Mobility Thanks 2 compilation.
> > I've never heard from you. Did you recieve it?
> > Please let me know.
>
> Yup.  Got it.  Thanks! (and its pretty good, too!)
>
> More coming....
>
> -G




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From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new thread
Date: 25 Feb 1999 13:19:38 CST





 Pink Floyd are pompous


   David Gilmour is one of the most modest people in music. Because they
(PF) spent something like 15 years on the charts with one album and have
sold millions of them, I'd say they're pretty decent. :-)


     d...

   now playing...the humming of the computer.

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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) various subjects
Date: 25 Feb 1999 12:29:07 PST

Elie, that is not the Dj Cake CD. Moby's Dj Cake CD is called Sugar Baby
and is on Trophy Records. I've never heard of Dj Steve & Cake,
personally. Does anybody know what they sound like?

AJ, I'll stop 'glorifying' ebay since you're doing quite a good job on
your own.

Chris B., you were asking about preorders for Run On & Play. I'd advise
you to wait and see what the release conditions are. For instance, if
you preordered Honey back in July/August 97 you were buying the UK
release. However, if you waited until after the release you had the
opportunity to buy the singles at a domestic price. (I think it was
$6.49 vs. $10.49 at CDNow) This all depends on whether Play is released
by a US label at the same time or later on. (like with AR) When the time
comes I'm sure I'll have links to post to help you out.

The Move 12" that's been discussed recently is really a very nice record
to own. In addition to the full Move (YMMFSG), there's also the full
version of ATINITBL (MV), which is called ATINITBL (Vocal Dance). Apart
from being longer, there's some extra ear candy and effects thrown in
which really complement the song. If I remember correctly, the buildups
are longer, also.

The Price Is Right

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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) various subjects
Date: 25 Feb 1999 12:29:06 PST

Elie, that is not the Dj Cake CD. Moby's Dj Cake CD is called Sugar Baby
and is on Trophy Records. I've never heard of Dj Steve & Cake,
personally. Does anybody know what they sound like?

AJ, I'll stop 'glorifying' ebay since you're doing quite a good job on
your own.

Chris B., you were asking about preorders for Run On & Play. I'd advise
you to wait and see what the release conditions are. For instance, if
you preordered Honey back in July/August 97 you were buying the UK
release. However, if you waited until after the release you had the
opportunity to buy the singles at a domestic price. (I think it was
$6.49 vs. $10.49 at CDNow) This all depends on whether Play is released
by a US label at the same time or later on. (like with AR) When the time
comes I'm sure I'll have links to post to help you out.

The Move 12" that's been discussed recently is really a very nice record
to own. In addition to the full Move (YMMFSG), there's also the full
version of ATINITBL (MV), which is called ATINITBL (Vocal Dance). Apart
from being longer, there's some extra ear candy and effects thrown in
which really complement the song. If I remember correctly, the buildups
are longer, also.

The Price Is Right

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From: Ruben A Blanco <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Best Moby Singles?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 10:54:16 -0700 (MST)

Hello Folks,

I know this has been asked and answered many times before, however
what (and why) is the Best Moby Single(s)? Besides the Honey and Move
releases. How do the singles: Into the Blue, and When I reach for my
revolver rank?

Thanks.

Ruben A. Blanco
[e-mail]
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Best Moby Singles?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 17:57:16 +0000

> D
> I know this has been asked and answered many times before, however
> what (and why) is the Best Moby Single(s)? Besides the Honey and Move
> releases. How do the singles: Into the Blue, and When I reach for my
> revolver rank?
>





That's when I reach for my Revolver is my favourite and the only
actual single I have brought.  I also love 'Into the Blue' it is one
of my all time favourite songs.

Ed



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new thread
Date: 26 Feb 1999 18:01:25 +0000


>  Pink Floyd are pompous






What I've heard of them, I think is rather classy actually.  I love
the album 'The Division Bell.'  Very memorable lyrics and imaginative
music.  Also 'Another Brick in the Wall' (I think that's the name of
their live album) is fantastic.  I like it anyway, it hits the spot
for me.  If people don't like them then that's fine it is all very
subjective.

Ed






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From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Best Moby Singles?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 15:53:58 -0700

I sent this message earlier, but it seems that a mail snafu prevented
it from making it out.  So here's my second attempt...

Ruben A Blanco wrote:
> I know this has been asked and answered many times before, however
> what (and why) is the Best Moby Single(s)? Besides the Honey and Move
> releases. How do the singles: Into the Blue, and When I reach for my
> revolver rank?

Even though I like it, I don't consider "Honey" to be one of Moby's
best singles.  My favorite single after "Move" is "Hymn", followed by
"Next Is The E".  Then I think I'd say "Go", but since it's been so
overplayed, it gets demoted.  You should definitely check out Instinct
Records' _Go Remixes_ CD, though.  An alternate for fourth place would
be "All That I Need Is To Be Loved".  But since it was barely a single
(just a 12" in the US and Czech Republic), it doesn't count.

"Into The Blue" is my fourth-favorite Moby single, I guess.  I love
it.  The remixes, several of which Moby did himself, are top notch.
There hasn't been a better single since "Into The Blue" came out.

After that, it becomes really hard for me to rank Moby's other
singles.  They are basically good -- you can hardly go wrong with
Moby.  But I don't want to put them in any order of goodness.  "That's
When I Reach For My Revolver" is a good single because of its B-sides
"Sway", "Every One Of My Problems", and "God Moving Over The Face Of
The Waters (Heat Mix)".  Very nice tracks.  The remix and other
B-sides are alright.

"Everytime You Touch Me" has some remixes that are very good, and
some that are among the most annoying things released by Moby.  It
also has a B-side that I like a lot called "The Blue Light Of The
Underwater Sun".

The "Feeling So Real" single is worth picking up for its 'Unashamed
Ecstatic Piano Mix', which is just wonderful.  You can also find this
remix on the _Disk_ enhanced CD, which also includes "Shining" and
some interesting computer stuff that most Windows 9x users can't see.

Moby's old Instinct 12" singles are nice, but very hard to find.
Get them if you can, because it'll be worth it.


BTW, I have track listings for the upcoming UK "Run On" single at
http://www.moby.org/reviews/runon.html

The single "Run On" will be released on 26 April.
The album _Play_ will be released worldwide on 17 May, except for
the USA and Canada, which will probably release it in mid-June.

---
Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) my Thanks 2 contribution
Date: 27 Feb 1999 01:25:17 EST

<< That's when I reach for my Revolver is my favourite and the only
 actual single I have brought.  I also love 'Into the Blue' it is one
 of my all time favourite songs.

 Ed >>


... well Ed, I hope you'll be pleased after hearing my take on "Into The Blue"
for the 'Thanks 2' comp, should it ever come out.  I worked this one out
fairly soon after 'Everything Is Wrong' came out, and decided to throw it onto
this new tribute.  I was one of the very first people to tell Ryu and Andy
about it way back when, but then everything went to hell ... so whoever is now
in charge of the tribute, please drop me a line.  Thanks ...

      <ADAM>



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From: "trance former" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) canada
Date: 26 Feb 1999 22:39:14 PST

wuz up,

moby has to come to Toronto or i am goin' with you brett!!!wherever that
may be...

..so am i reading things right, moby's "run on" is the theme to
Oprah?!?or sounds similar...i don't watch t.v. so please enlighten me...

this might be an old issue, but what the heck was all this talk about
the movie "double tap", honestly i've been waiting for sometime for this
supposed score from moby...please enlighten again...

...thank you kind ppl

by tha way, i am new here, or just an old friend, but they call me the
moby freak of K-W...

...but you can call me dj AHIMSA...

peace to you...

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From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) canada
Date: 27 Feb 1999 08:07:08 -0800

> moby has to come to Toronto or i am goin' with you brett!!!wherever that
> may be...

Moby was in toronto around this time last year.  Granted, it was for
Canadian Music Week and he wasn't playing, he was just part of a panel
discussion.  But still, he was in toronto.  I think he knows he has *some*
sort of a fanbase here, so he should make a stop here on his next tour.  If
not, there's always roadtrips. speaking of road trips, its only a matter of
weeks before yours truely heads down south to see plastikman. whoo hoo!
okay i'm done. peace.

-kelly

Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
     -Henry Louis Mencken, A Little Book in C Major



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From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Movies
Date: 28 Feb 1999 23:21:39 +0900

Well, I don't know anything about Moby's movie, but what is the deal exactly
with this new Brit movie: Everybody Loves Sunshine? David Bowie and Goldie as
the main roles? What the hell?

And, has anyone bought this new Remix Prodigy album by Liam Howlett? I saw it
in Tower yesterday but then memories of Fat of the Land came to mind and i
couldn't buy it. Anyone? Thanks. Later.
AJ



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From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) stuph
Date: 27 Feb 1999 07:15:53 -0800 (PST)

hey, did someone say the orb have a new one coming out? yippee
skippee! im a new orb convert. i got the 2cd version of ufoff after
hearing little fluffy clouds on the radio. when i heard that, i knew i
had to start listening to them. i love perpetual dawn, that song
rules. hopefully the new album will sound like mickey mars, the new
song from ufoff. that song rules.


so play is coming out in june? well, i hope thats right.

cdnow now has "story so far" listed in the import bin in the moby
section. the cover looks exactly like the self titled us cd.
interesting...

what do the remixes of God Moving Over The Face.... sound like?


please stop this about pink floyd. and matos, im sorry  to say this, i
dont want to start a flame war, but like, how can you say you like
everythhing and emphasize that you have over 13000 cds or whatever and
then list like 6 or 7 bands you dont like? that seems a bit odd to me.
i cant name one band you do like besides moby. wait, you were the guy
who liked Built To SPill right? props!
but still stop this. is houldnt even be writing this. and also, i dont
want to hear what i heard about jim morisson. i mean, i dont even like
the doors, but saying that someone who thinks jim morrison is a genius
 has their head up their ass or something, thats not fair. seriously.
just stop that.
okay, bye
==
"oh, what a lovely little AAAGH!!!
STOP THIS! THIS IS ABSURD, AND I WON'T STAND FOR IT!
NOW, KILL!!!!" -Monty Python
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) The sickness of Swans & Thanks II
Date: 27 Feb 1999 07:38:47 -0800

this one was lost in my mail filter a few days...

> I'm not going to rag on you, personally, or your opinion but I would
> like to ask you one question:
>=20
> WHEN did you like the Swans?  They've ALWAYS been twisted.

Chill out and I'll tell you! I know they are twisted and I never
said I didn't like them. I'm not a huge fan, but I have 5 or 6 of
thier cds and a few vinyls around. They have like 30 or more releases
and I haven't heard them all, but I like everything I've heard so far.

  Have you
> read Michael Gira's poetry?  It's about getting fucked in the ass by
> wealthy businessmen, stabbing and raping a homeless man, etc.  (All
> highly symbolic of the society in which we live, mind you)

I've heard some pretty freaky lyrics but I've never gone and
read his poetry, and it doesn;t sound like something I would like
all that much. I like dark twisted music, but when you take the music
out of fucking the homeless in the ass it's not as fun...

  I'm assuming
> (and am open to being wrong) that you heard 'The Burning World' and
> liked it and then heard some of their 15 other albums and were appalled.

No, actually the first I heard from them was in 1988 when they covered
Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart". Since they were one of
my favorite bands I was responsive to cover versions and thiers was
excellent, from there I got some older releases like Cop, Young God,
and Greed and later bought some others like Celebrity Lifestyle and
the Great Annihilator. I know them OK, but I've never heard Burning World.

> 'The Burning World' was to the Swans what 'Animal Rights' was to Moby -=
-
> off the beaten path.  (coincidentally, some of the songs on AR sound
> similar to The Burning World--acoustic guitar, violin, drum machine,
> etc.)  The swans lyrics are nothing more than highly symbolic mind
> stories.  I'm sorry you don't have the stomach for it.  Not everyone on
> this list continually gets off on giddy-kiddy-techno (only the
> closed-minded ravers).

Ah! Well I promise you will feel like giving me an apology after you
hear what Jarboe's new album really sounds like!!!!
The funniest thing is that you say these thing before hearing it.
We are not all happy crappy techno kiddies because we happen to be
on a Moby list. I've Dj'd gothic/industrial stuff for a long time and
I've been music director for college stations and underground internet
stations featuring gothic/industrial and also many other genres of
electonic music and rock, if you count all the cds that have been
stolen from me I've had over 10,000 and I like alot of different kinds
of music, especially the dark stuff.

  I want to hear Moby's fun, enlightened, peaceful
> craziness just as much as Michael Gira's acoustic guitar & violent
> poetry.  I happen to own a couple Underworld singles which are fucking
> great.  I disregard your & Matos' 'underworld vs. Swans' competition.
> Both are great bands but for different reasons.  Apples & oranges,
> guys...

No way, I never intended to compare them or say one is better or
anything like that. I just mentioned them in the same message because=20
both were on my mind and it may have sounded argumentative but as I
said I really like the Swans and the point of my message was that even
if you like the Swans you may be freaked out by the new Jarboe CD.

>=20
> which Jarboe promo CD is it?  since you hate it, would you like to sell
> it to me?  : {]>
>=20

No, actually although I don't reccommend it nor will I enjoy listening
to it- but it's shocking enough to show to friends for fun and I'm also p=
lanning
on
using some of the tracks for a radio show I do called the Insanity Mix.

You have to believe me that this album is not even to be compared to
the Swans really...
here's a quote from a review:
"Jarboe initially demonstrated her songwriting talents on her
folk-based 1996 solo album Sacrificial Cake and on three
albums for the Swans side project the World of Skin.
However, Anhedoniac is the first work to strongly distance
itself from Swans=92 influence."
http://www.sfweekly.com/archives/1998/082698/record1.html?cat=3Dma&query=3D=
jarboe
The whole review is there...

Everything I've heard from the Swans has been what I would consider
music- but most of what is on the Jarboe album is non-melodic noise.
There are only a couple tracks that even approach what most of us would
consider a song. In a word it is DESPAIR rolled up into a audible signal.
the album title "Anhedoniac" means the in-ability to experience
pleasure, very fitting for this album. I have to admire it for certain
dark tiwsited reasons but mostly it's not something that will be listened
to more than a token few times.=20

I know you won't believe me so I will work on putting up a website
with realaudio versions of some of the tracks as well as scans of
some of the most disgusting freak porn I've ever seen, most people
insist that it DOES NOT look like a pussy- but we have a nice close up
of here crotch on the first page of the insert booklet. The main
theme of the pictures and music is self-mutalation and torture,
disease and sickness....
Alot of the time you hear nothing but screams as if someone is being
tortured int he background and lots of slurping noises and spit
being sucked back into one's mouth. We are not talking about self
mutalation as in body piercing or other normal things, we are talking
open wounds and gaping sores- pictures documenting self torture.
the album is only sold through her web site and has an 18 and over
only warning. If you want I will encode some tracks for you and prove
how truly freaky fucked up it is, maybe some of you can decide as well.
laters
paul



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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stuph
Date: 27 Feb 1999 07:47:53 -0800

in all fairness I was the one who introduced someone
having their head up thier ass for something...
it's just a saying for "you must be stupid"
or "golly, gee-whiz" for the really square
anyway- smack my bitch up
same thing (refer to older conversation)
get your point across the most obvious way
and see if it's TOO offensive or not

paul

Paul Simpson wrote:
>
> hey, did someone say the orb have a new one coming out? yippee
> skippee! im a new orb convert. i got the 2cd version of ufoff after
> hearing little fluffy clouds on the radio. when i heard that, i knew i
> had to start listening to them. i love perpetual dawn, that song
> rules. hopefully the new album will sound like mickey mars, the new
> song from ufoff. that song rules.
>
> so play is coming out in june? well, i hope thats right.
>
> cdnow now has "story so far" listed in the import bin in the moby
> section. the cover looks exactly like the self titled us cd.
> interesting...
>
> what do the remixes of God Moving Over The Face.... sound like?
>
> please stop this about pink floyd. and matos, im sorry  to say this, i
> dont want to start a flame war, but like, how can you say you like
> everythhing and emphasize that you have over 13000 cds or whatever and
> then list like 6 or 7 bands you dont like? that seems a bit odd to me.
> i cant name one band you do like besides moby. wait, you were the guy
> who liked Built To SPill right? props!
> but still stop this. is houldnt even be writing this. and also, i dont
> want to hear what i heard about jim morisson. i mean, i dont even like
> the doors, but saying that someone who thinks jim morrison is a genius
>  has their head up their ass or something, thats not fair. seriously.
> just stop that.
> okay, bye
> ==
> "oh, what a lovely little AAAGH!!!
> STOP THIS! THIS IS ABSURD, AND I WON'T STAND FOR IT!
> NOW, KILL!!!!" -Monty Python
> >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com



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From: "Jon Gage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) canada
Date: 27 Feb 1999 01:22:25 -0500

>Moby was in toronto around this time last year.  Granted, it was for
>Canadian Music Week and he wasn't playing, he was just part of a

About a year and a half ago (maybe more) someone on this list did a quick
interview with Moby comprised of some questions from listees.  I asked why
he's never played in Toronto.  I think his response was "I have.  Twice."
...I felt sheepish ;)




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From: "the bergstroms" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) canada
Date: 27 Feb 1999 13:47:21 -0800

> About a year and a half ago (maybe more) someone on this list did a quick
> interview with Moby comprised of some questions from listees.  I asked
why
> he's never played in Toronto.  I think his response was "I have.  Twice."
> ...I felt sheepish ;)

well... don't feel horrible.  i bet one of those times was lolapalooza (or
however its spelled). he played the second stage one year.  that was before
i discovered moby, but the boi who introduced me to moby's music was at
that lolla...  and he didn't even know moby was on that bill!  he felt
really annoyed after finding out he missed moby.

we all have our list of concerts we wish we would have gone to.  mine is
pwei... i missed them and then they broke up. figures.

peace.

-kelly



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From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stuph
Date: 27 Feb 1999 15:47:51 PST

Regarding:
>please stop this about pink floyd. and matos, im sorry  to say this, i
>dont want to start a flame war, but like, how can you say you like
>everythhing and emphasize that you have over 13000 cds or whatever and
>then list like 6 or 7 bands you dont like? that seems a bit odd to me.

No, I've named a few. It's just that nobody has heard of them,
apparently. Instead, they defend really obvious (and I don't think very
good) stuff like Underworld, instead.

>i cant name one band you do like besides moby. wait, you were the guy
>who liked Built To SPill right? props!
>but still stop this. is houldnt even be writing this. and also, i dont
>want to hear what i heard about jim morisson. i mean, i dont even like
>the doors, but saying that someone who thinks jim morrison is a genius
> has their head up their ass or something, thats not fair. seriously.
>just stop that.

Not to sound schoolyard-ish or anything, but when someone tells me my
head is up MY ass, I reserve the right to say the same thing.

Matos

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From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) canada
Date: 27 Feb 1999 19:51:09 -0500

>> About a year and a half ago (maybe more) someone on this list did a quick
>> interview with Moby comprised of some questions from listees.  I asked
>why
>> he's never played in Toronto.  I think his response was "I have.  Twice."
>> ...I felt sheepish ;)
>
>well... don't feel horrible.  i bet one of those times was lolapalooza (or
>however its spelled). he played the second stage one year.  that was before
>i discovered moby, but the boi who introduced me to moby's music was at
>that lolla...  and he didn't even know moby was on that bill!  he felt
>really annoyed after finding out he missed moby.
>
>we all have our list of concerts we wish we would have gone to.  mine is
>pwei... i missed them and then they broke up. figures.
>
>peace.
>
>-kelly


Actually Jon, I believe it was you who told me about the Moby interview at
the canadian music week last year, and told me about the mobility list, at
HMV, awhile ago. THe underground section is turning to shit since you left
that place but oh well, I seem to go to hamilton now at cheapies, they are
pretty good!
pop will eat itself were great in concert, I saw them years ago. The former
members or member of pwei brought out a techno cd last year under the name
Bentley Rhythm Ace, which I thought was really good. As for moby in canada
for this upcoming tour, I also think he will be coming to canada he played
last year in Montreal for the big top tour I think. But hey if he doesn't
come, whoever said this you bet you can join me on the journey to the U.S.
The more the merrier. Speaking of plastikman, I just bought a cd by him,
which brings my total up to two, he's not bad. I am really excited though
that I have just found by coincidence the new Legion of Green Men disc, who
are label mates of Plastikman, I can't wait to listen to it!

Brett McSherry



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From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) mp3list
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:59:34 -0000


>
>p.s.  To make this Moby related, I own 74 Moby CD's so if you are aching to
>hear a certain version of a Moby remix, I most likely have it.
>

could you please send me your list




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From: "Van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Hi Damian!
Date: 28 Feb 1999 21:29:36 +0100

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Hi,

I've just become a member of the Mobility mailing list and
I would like to introduce myself.

My name is Bart van Eijck, I'm 18 years old and I live in the =
Netherlands.

I first heard of Moby when heard the song MOVE on the radio in 1993.
In 1995 I bought the 2CD Everything is wrong, because the store I bought
it in gave a huge discount. (because the store bought too much of them)
I listened to it and I was pleasantly surprised by it's diversity, but I =
didn't=20
start to collect Moby's records until 1996.
Not until last year I found  a record store that could order records =
from around
the world, so by the time I was able to order older albums and singles
some of them were already sold out. (bring back my happiness, next is =
the E
and all the older singles)=20

Other artists I like are:    Air, The Aloof, Faithless, Leftfield, The =
Cardigans
                                    Metallica, Dune and a lot more.
                                    But my favorite artist is and =
remains Moby.

P.S.     Check out my Moby Winamp Skin that I hope soon will be =
available on=20
            Daniel Cerman's moby.org!

Here is a list of the Richard Hall records I own:
- MOBY (54:40) [Jun/Jul 1992] US CD, Instinct, EX-241-2

- EARLY UNDERGROUND (72:22) [Mar 1993] US CD, Instinct, EX250-2

- I FEEL IT [NEXT IS THE E-REMIX] (15:24) [1993] CD, Rough Trade, RTD =
176.1610.3

- THE STORY SO FAR (58:31) [Jul 1993] UK CD, Equator, ATLASCD 001

- AMBIENT (51:55) [US: Aug 1993; UK: Oct 1993] US CD, Instinct, EX-253-2

- MOVE (31:50) [Sep 1993] US CD, Elektra, 9 61568-2

- HYMN {#1} (24:10) [1994] UK CD, Mute, CDMUTE161

- HYMN.ALT.QUIET.VERSION {#2} (33:43) [1994] UK CD, Mute, LCDMUTE161

- DEMONS/HORSES (41:26) [Voodoo Child, Jul 1994] UK CD, Novamute, CD =
NoMu 32

- FEELING SO REAL {#1} [Oct 1994] UK CD, Mute, CDMUTE173

- FEELING SO REAL REMIXES {#2} [Oct 1994] UK CD, Mute, LCDMUTE173

- EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH ME {#1} [Feb 1995] UK CD, Mute, CDMUTE176

- EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH ME REMIXES {#2} (32:10) [Feb 1995] UK CD, Mute, =
LCDMUTE176

- EVERYTHING IS WRONG (46:52) [Mar 1995] UK 2CD, Mute, CDStumm130 + =
LCDStumm130

- HIGHER (26:58) [Voodoo Child, Jun 1995] UK CD, Trophy/Mute, CDTrophy1

- INTO THE BLUE {#1} (37:58) [Jun 1995] UK CD, Mute, CDMUTE 179A

- INTO THE BLUE REMIXES {#2} (39:54) [Jun 1995] UK CD, Mute, LCDMUTE179

- DISK [Jul 1995] US E-CD, Elektra, 61838-2

- WHY CAN'T IT STOP? (22:39) [Lopez oct 1995] UK CD Trophy/Mute =
CDTrophy2

- EVERYTHING IS WRONG - DJ MIX ALBUM [15 Jan 1996] UK 2CD, Mute, =
XLCDSTUMM130

- EMPTINESS (12:05) [lopez 17 jun 1996] UK CD, Trophy CDTrophy3

- THE END OF EVERYTHING (53:51) [Voodoo Child, 15 Jul 1996] UK CD, =
Trophy, CDIdiot1

- DOG HEAVEN (33:01) [Voodoo Child, 29 Jul 1996] UK CD, Trophy, =
CDTrophy5

- RARE: THE COLLECTED B-SIDES (1989-1993) [6 Aug 1996] US 2CD, Instinct, =
EX-335-2

- THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR MY REVOLVER {#1} (13:17) [26 Aug 1996] UK CD, =
Mute, CDMute184

- THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR MY... REMIX {#2} (23:46) [26 Aug 1996] UK CD, =
Mute, LCDMute184

- ANIMAL RIGHTS (53:24) [23 Sep 1996]   UK 2CD, Mute, LCDStumm150

                                                                    UK =
CD, Mute, CDStumm150

- ANIMAL RIGHTS: LIVE AT THE SPLASH CLUB (17:32) [1996] UK CD, Mute, =
PCDStumm150

- COME ON BABY (25:26) [Nov 1996] CD, Mute, XCDMute200

- I LIKE TO SCORE (48:04) [21 Oct 1997 UK CD, Mute, CDStumm168

- JAMES BOND THEME (MOBY'S RE-VERSION) (36:00) [27 Oct 1997]UK CD, Mute, =
CDMute210

- HONEY [Aug 1998] UK 12", Mute, 12Mute218

- HONEY [24 Aug 1998] UK CD, Mute, CDMute218

- HONEY REMIXES [24 Aug 1998] UK CD, Mute, LCDMute218




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<P>- MOBY (54:40) [Jun/Jul 1992] US CD, Instinct, EX-241-2</P>
<P>- EARLY UNDERGROUND (72:22) [Mar 1993] US CD, Instinct, EX250-2</P>
<P>- I FEEL IT [NEXT IS THE E-REMIX] (15:24) [1993] CD, Rough Trade, RTD =

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<P>- EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH ME REMIXES {#2} (32:10) [Feb 1995] UK CD, Mute, =

LCDMUTE176</P>
<P>- EVERYTHING IS WRONG (46:52) [Mar 1995] UK 2CD, Mute, CDStumm130 +=20
LCDStumm130</P>
<P>- HIGHER (26:58) [Voodoo Child, Jun 1995] UK CD, Trophy/Mute, =
CDTrophy1</P>
<P>- INTO THE BLUE {#1} (37:58) [Jun 1995] UK CD, Mute, CDMUTE 179A</P>
<P>- INTO THE BLUE REMIXES {#2} (39:54) [Jun 1995] UK CD, Mute, =
LCDMUTE179</P>
<P>- DISK [Jul 1995] US E-CD, Elektra, 61838-2</P>
<P>- WHY CAN'T IT STOP? (22:39) [Lopez oct 1995] UK CD Trophy/Mute =
CDTrophy2</P>
<P>- EVERYTHING IS WRONG - DJ MIX ALBUM [15 Jan 1996] UK 2CD, Mute,=20
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EX-335-2</P>
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CD, Mute,=20
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From: Rob Skipworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) MP3 trading
Date: 28 Feb 1999 15:22:43 -0600

Hi everyone,

I got a cd burner for christmas and i've been having the time of my life burning
mp3's.  (just to set the record straight, I collect LIVE songs and don't have
but a few copyrighted files)  I've found a lot of sites where people want to
trade cdr's of live shows in mp3 format.

I remember a LONG time ago, someone was talking about some moby bootlegs that
were floating around.  If anyone would like to hook me up with some of these, i
have lots i could send back to you.
ALSO, once i got some live mp3s of moby, i would be more than happy to help
distribute them to others who wanted to hear them...


I'm mainly interested in live electronic music, so if anyone has any on cd or
cdr, let me know PLEASE!

thanks
rob





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From: "Johan Jaatinen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 again
Date: 01 Mar 1999 01:26:33 +0100

Hi!

I asked this question a few days ago but nobody answered. So here it is again:

Who is in charge for Thanks 2? Is it too late to come with contributions? I
have a remix of ATINITBL that I'd like to have included.

Cheers,
Johan.

_________________________________________________________________________
Johan Jaatinen                                         [e-mail]
Gothenburg, Sweden                                   [e-mail]





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) underwater..
Date: 28 Feb 1999 21:38:55 EST

would anyone happen to know where i can get a copy of moby' s underwater 2cd
thing..i'm desperately looking for it just to hear what is sounds
like..perhaps someone even could make a copy for me and that would be
sufficient enough..another thing...how does the story so far cd differ from
its other version....love..elie



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 Again...
Date: 28 Feb 1999 21:50:45 -0600 (CST)

>Who is in charge for Thanks 2? Is it too late to come with contributions? I
>have a remix of ATINITBL that I'd like to have included.

>Cheers,
>Johan.


Johan,
Greg Shipley ([e-mail]) is heading the Thanks 2 project.  Talk to
him about submissions.

Andy
gingerbread man