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klr650-digest       Thursday, September 2 1999       Volume 02 : Number 815



Re: (klr650) Chicago area riders
(klr650) HELP INFO TO DECIDE DP. European model
Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen
(klr650) Skid plate question
(klr650) What is Dual Sport?
Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen
RE: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?
RE: (klr650) Blessed Silence
Re: (klr650) Blessed Silence
RE: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?
Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen
(klr650) New lister
Re: (klr650) What Is dual Sport?
Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen
(klr650) Re  word for the day
Re: (klr650) What Is dual Sport?

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:42:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Chicago area riders

I can't ride.  The Tengai is not running.  I am in process of fixing the
balance chain adjusting mechanism.   Parts and special tools are needed.
Kaw, of course, has none of this available.  Fred is special ordering the
tools I need, then, afteer pulling the rotor, I can see what parts I need.  I
suspect I will need to heli coil.  Bummer.

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:39:30 PDT
From: "pere gentzen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) HELP INFO TO DECIDE DP. European model

Thanks a lot for all the answers you send.
Now I'm decided to buy KLR650, but I have still one problem, as some of you
have told me. European KLR it's different than american. There is somebody
who knows if the difference it's only about how they look, or there is more
important differences (engine, shock absorber, and others?).

For your knowledge, if you want you can take a look in the european KLR, you
can go to:

http://www.santacristina.net/Peter/klr650.htm

There you can found more mechanical info (but not too much, as far as I have
been reading your comments in the newsgroup...) at least maybe you found
some ideas about "another style of KLR"...

Again, thanks a lot
Peter Gentzen
Greetings from Barcelona -Spain-.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:50 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen

Hi Stephen, I have a 12 volt outlet on my KLR. Check it out here
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/klrmods01.html It works great with
GPS's.
Mark Wilson
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/track/6419
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/index.html
KLR-650 A-13 " Warthogg"
Stone Mountain, Ga.

>
> One more question (for now); Is there a clever place to mount a BMW type
> of female 12v outlet?  Need one to power my Gerbing jacket.
>
> Many thanks.
> --
> Stephen Syrotiak  grinning while riding his new A14
> Southern Connecticut
>



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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:59:09 -0700
From: T Kessel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Skid plate question

Will the Moose skid plate (that everyone raves about on this list) bolt
on to my Tengai? What other skid plate options are there out there?

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:15:21 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) What is Dual Sport?

From: WDSRC <[e-mail]>
Subject: What Is dual Sport?

> Hello Dual Sporters! There's been a rash of "what is dual sport" burning
> down the lists, so I'd like to add my five dollars worth.
>
> I wrote and printed the following in a past issue of "Southern Dual
> Sporter

Excellent article - well written.  I am going to be a stickler though (and
put my head on the chopping block with Gino's) and contradict one assertion
you make...  =^)

> To begin with, we'll go with the Adventure Bikes. These are the big street
> bikes that people can ride on dirt roads with. These are bikes of the like
as
> the BMW GS, Triumph's Tiger, the big Kawasaki KLR650, Honda's TransAlp, I
> think you get the picture.

The KLR is not in this class of bikes.  Yes, it is larger than the DR350 and
not as easy to throw around, and there is already a KLX in your heavyweight
Explorer class, but the KLR belongs there as well.  It's basically the same
bike as the KLX with a slightly wider seat, a larger gas tank, and 1 lb less
plastic.

> A difficult rating would be one that is mostly two-track and single track
> tarils, riders should be "B" class or better riders, highly proficient at
> off road riding and a route that is not suitable for passengers.

The KLR will do this any day of the week.  At 150 lbs lighter than the GS
and Tiger, and with 5" - 6" more travel than the much more bulbous
Transalp - The KLR650 will EAT GS's, Tiger's, and Transalp's for breakfast
ANYWHERE except on the pavement.

Cheers,

Arne
Eh 13

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:18:00 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Syrotiak <[e-mail]>
To: klr650 <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:10 AM
Subject: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen


> Has anyone used the larger klr windscreen?  At sustained speeds of
> 85-90mph does it flutter annoyingly?  Is there a better option.

No annoying, excessive flutter.  A little buffetting around the helmet
though, but I'm tall in the saddle.

> Speaking of flutter, will a smaller, lower front fender help cope with
> the infamous klr headshake?

I have the stock fender and went 5000 km's to Moab and back - never
experienced any headshake.  Ran 70 - 80 mph the whole way.  But yes, a low
front fender would theoretically be more stable.
From: WDSRC <[e-mail]>
Subject: What Is dual Sport?

> Hello Dual Sporters! There's been a rash of "what is dual sport" burning
> down the lists, so I'd like to add my five dollars worth.
>
> I wrote and printed the following in a past issue of "Southern Dual
> Sporter

Excellent article - well written.  I am going to be a stickler though (and
put my head on the chopping block with Gino's) and contradict one assertion
you make...  =^)

> To begin with, we'll go with the Adventure Bikes. These are the big street
> bikes that people can ride on dirt roads with. These are bikes of the like
as
> the BMW GS, Triumph's Tiger, the big Kawasaki KLR650, Honda's TransAlp, I
> think you get the picture.

The KLR is not in this class of bikes.  Yes, it is larger than the DR350 and
not as easy to throw around, and there is already a KLX in your heavyweight
Explorer class, but the KLR belongs there as well.  It's basically the same
bike as the KLX with a slightly wider seat, a larger gas tank, and 1 lb less
plastic.

> A difficult rating would be one that is mostly two-track and single track
> tarils, riders should be "B" class or better riders, highly proficient at
> off road riding and a route that is not suitable for passengers.

The KLR will do this any day of the week.  At 150 lbs lighter than the GS
and Tiger, and with 5" - 6" more travel than the much more bulbous
Transalp - The KLR650 will EAT GS's, Tiger's, and Transalp's for breakfast
ANYWHERE except on the pavement.

Cheers,

Arne
Eh 13



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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:33:20 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?

    You've got to be kidding!! The infamous Malibu Ken model that I
improved with a $28 paint job in Mexico? Bogdan
       I painted mine, although it was the best color scheme (A9) since
    inception.

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:41:26 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Blessed Silence

    I guess the saying should be changed to, " Believe me, not your
lying ass".  Bogdan


    My ass has studied
    this... =^)


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:39:41 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Blessed Silence

To: klr650 <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Blessed Silence


> Did you re-jet when you changed to the Big Gun, or make any other changes?
>
> Eric.


No I haven't.  I'm a sea level and haven't experienced any lean problems.  I
have a kit that I bought some months back - I may give it a try - but right
now the bike runs great.

Arne


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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:59:12 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?

    Three of us here in Southern Colorado wear Nolan N70's. They're
about $115, they change from a street helmet with face shield to a off road
with a visor or anything in between in less than 5 minutes. Bogdan


    Also, working with this limited budget, I've been
    trying to find the least expensive full-face street helmet
available. Are
    Vector helmets OK, or does the mere mention of the name bring on
    uncontrollable laughing fits for all who read this post?

    Thank you in advance for the much needed advice,
    Raamses, A.K.A. Ram

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:32:01 -0400
From: Ian Cariolo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen

>and there is already a KLX in your heavyweight
>Explorer class, but the KLR belongs there as well.  It's basically the same
>bike as the KLX with a slightly wider seat, a larger gas tank, and 1 lb less
>plastic.

>Arne
>Eh 13


Speaking of which, and I'm sorry if I'm the 80th person to ask this, where
the hell does one find a KLX? Kawa's website makes NO mention of it, and
I've never seen the bike anywhere.



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Ian Cariolo
1985 VF700F Interceptor
1986 Kawasaki KLR600
Duxbury, MA
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:10:28 -0400
From: "Scherer, Michael" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) New lister

Hello All,  Great list.  Any one from Pittsburgh or the Tri-State area?
This bike is great,  all this info, all this stuff. I have Tim's side racks,
Ortleib bags, Moose skid,  Acerbis Rally gaurds, Dual Star's co-pilot
(nice).  Fred, I'm sorry but I am broke after all of that.  You will hear
from me when the snow flies in December.  I need the fork springs and the
brake line among other things. I will get the grippsters when I wear out the
OEMs. I would like to get rid of the weight of the stock pipe but I don't
want the noise. I live in the city. It does sound like a riding mower but
it's not too loud. My bike is very stable at 80 mph, I think the brush
gaurds helped. I am having a blast with this thing.

Biker Mike
A13


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:09:44 -0600
From: "Verle Nelson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) What Is dual Sport?

> Hello Dual Sporters! There's been a rash of "what is dual sport"
burning
> down the lists, so I'd like to add my five dollars worth.


Dual Sport is a marketing concept, a buzz-word. People have always rode
whatever they had, to wherever they wanted to go. In the late '60s,
early '70s we tied our camping gear on the backs of 650 Triumphs and
rode them from Boulder, Colorado to Moab Utah. We rode the White Rim,
Lockhart Basin, Elephant Hill -- everywhere we wanted to go. So what has
changed by calling a bike "Dual Sport?" Some of the first bikes over the
Moab Slick Rock Trail after it officially opened (it was originally a
marked motorcycle trail) were 650 Triumphs. Was that single tracking? We
didn't use that term then. We didn't think such riding was difficult; we
thought it was fun. When the fun was over we rode the bikes back home.

West of Boulder we rode 650 Triumphs across the Continental Divide, on
the shoulder of James Peak at over 12,000ft elevation, on an old Ute
Indian foot path. That was "single tracking" I'm sure. Such trails have
been closed to all motorcycles for years, so only hikers now know how
difficult that trail is. It wasn't that difficult to ride. It was fun.

I'm not saying the Triumph was uniquely suited to these activities.
People rode whatever they had. We had Triumphs. We knew of one guy who
rode enduros on an 883 Sportster. Even we Triumph riders thought he had
balls. What I'm saying is: Dual Sport is a marketing concept; it is too
ambiguous to define. It's the old "What is a Sports Car?" question. It
can't be answered definitively. I don't think we can pigeon-hole
motorcycles or riders or usage. I don't think we should. But I know we
will always try.

Verle Nelson
KLR650 A13
Cedaredge, CO


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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:22:02 -0700
From: Michael Menu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Larger factory windscreen

Hi everyone from Victoria, Canada.  I've been lurking for a couple of
months now: great list!

Kurt: I'm 6'2" as well, and am looking at getting one of the Clearview
windshields.  What size did you opt for?  Methinks +4 is too small, and I'm
afraid going too big will detract from the great looks of the bike.

BTW everyone, I'm new to KLR's.  Got my first one, a 99, about 3 months and
3000 miles ago!  What a blast!

Mike Menu

 > Has anyone used the larger klr windscreen? At sustained speeds of
 > 85-90mph does it flutter annoyingly? Is there a better option.
I am using it and am very happy with it, flutter is not a problem. Others
have reported noise and turbulance but for me at 6'2" it works very well and
makes highway speeds much more comfortable.
Kurt Grife



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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:38:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Re  word for the day

In a message dated 9/2/99 11:21:37 AM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< Placebo Exhaust!"  That's great >>
Kinda like the KLR is a morphous or morphic motorcycle, It takes the shape of
bike you want, Touring, dirt, street , etc.
                                                                  Mike

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:30:41 -0700
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) What Is dual Sport?

Verle Nelson wrote:
>
> > Hello Dual Sporters! There's been a rash of "what is dual sport"
> burning
> > down the lists, so I'd like to add my five dollars worth.
>
> Dual Sport is a marketing concept, a buzz-word. People have always rode
> whatever they had, to wherever they wanted to go. In the late '60s,
> early '70s we tied our camping gear on the backs of 650 Triumphs and
> rode them from Boulder, Colorado to Moab Utah. We rode the White Rim,
> Lockhart Basin, Elephant Hill -- everywhere we wanted to go. So what has
> changed by calling a bike "Dual Sport?" Some of the first bikes over the
> Moab Slick Rock Trail after it officially opened (it was originally a
> marked motorcycle trail) were 650 Triumphs. Was that single tracking? We
> didn't use that term then. We didn't think such riding was difficult; we
> thought it was fun. When the fun was over we rode the bikes back home.
>
> West of Boulder we rode 650 Triumphs across the Continental Divide, on
> the shoulder of James Peak at over 12,000ft elevation, on an old Ute
> Indian foot path. That was "single tracking" I'm sure. Such trails have
> been closed to all motorcycles for years, so only hikers now know how
> difficult that trail is. It wasn't that difficult to ride. It was fun.
>
> I'm not saying the Triumph was uniquely suited to these activities.
> People rode whatever they had. We had Triumphs. We knew of one guy who
> rode enduros on an 883 Sportster. Even we Triumph riders thought he had
> balls. What I'm saying is: Dual Sport is a marketing concept; it is too
> ambiguous to define. It's the old "What is a Sports Car?" question. It
> can't be answered definitively. I don't think we can pigeon-hole
> motorcycles or riders or usage. I don't think we should. But I know we
> will always try.
>
> Verle Nelson
> KLR650 A13
> Cedaredge, CO

Verle,
    I like your take on things.
    When I first heard the term Dual Sport it was in reference
to a friend of mines bike, an xr600 that he had made street legal.
    This was sort of novel in that up til around that time
we were always marvelling at how cool it would be to have a street
machine with the suspension/performance of a heretofore strictly
offroader. Plus, if the riding area was close enough, you could actually
ride this dirt eating 'street machine' to the riding area! What a world
of logistics and time that would save!
    Now, having a KLR 650, and a KLR600, I have really begun
to understand division in the 'niche' of 'Dual Sporting'.
    To me the ultimate Dual Sport would be something like:
A husaberg(6spd?, elec start, oil cooling, windsheild) that rode like a
cadillac, with all the Adventure Tour Gear and a 6 gallon tank.
You pop-off the tour gear and you have a machine you can wrestle
through the toughest, tightest, and steepest of terrain. When your
done you return to base camp click on the tour gear and head
for your next departure from civilisation.
    {Of course when you're thousands of miles from home AND
a good distance from civilisation you still might not want to
get as radical as one would in the backyard, or in an event.}
    I actually only heard the term 'Dualsport' from
other riders and for some time before ever seeing it in print.
    Also I think where technology has been advancing, bringing greater
separation among riding styles, overall demand has kind of been
pulling things back together again, perhaps leading in a direction
of ultimate functionality.
    Lastly, if all of this niche controversy gets bantered about enough,
perhaps some true delineation of dual sport event 'features' and
'terrain' may get clarified so that participants may have the best
knowledge of the terrain available to them in any given event.

                         Slide

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