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klr650-digest        Thursday, August 26 1999        Volume 02 : Number 774



(klr650) Mikuni Performance Carb
Re: klr6RE: (klr650) MCN... NKLR50-digest V2 #771
Re: (klr650) dam...
Re: (klr650) Mikuni Performance Carb
Re: (klr650) Fw: Mobil 1 Synthetic Motorcycle Specific Oil (f
Re: (klr650) dam...
Re: (klr650) Low Fender and Progressive Fork Springs
Re: (klr650) various...
(klr650) (UK) Large Plastic Fuel Tank?
Re: (klr650) List disapointing

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:53:23 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Mikuni Performance Carb

Anyone needing a Mikuni Performance Carb Kit for their KLR650, let me know.
I finally got one....

Sorry John J., I think the KLR600 uses a different carb than the 650.
Anyone know for sure?

Fred Hink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         Arrowhead Motorsports
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/
435-259-7356  Fax [phone]
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:18:10 -0700
From: "Steven van Twuyver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: klr6RE: (klr650) MCN... NKLR50-digest V2 #771

I too am finding that MCN is not its former self.  They used to do
interesting evaluations, but anymore it looks like they are just making the
publication deadline.  You know -- sort of hurried and lacking depth.  I too
prepaid a number of years and I don't think I would re-subscribe.  Too boot,
I know the current issue is late for me as it has been discussed on the net
for at least a week.
- -svt-


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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:04:37 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) dam...

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD <[e-mail]>



> my last off-road excursion shook lose one of those bolts with
> the allen head located just beneath the rear grab handle/luggage
> rack.
>
> where am i gonna find another wonna those?
>

One of the bolts that holds the rack on, vibrated loose and fell off my
bike. I went to my dealer, and they gave me one free.  I've also lost one of
the screws that hold on the front exhaust pipe guard, and the screw for the
left side radiator cover. You should check the all of them while your at it.
But so far, my dealer is giving me replacements for free.
Mark Wilson
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/track/6419
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/index.html
KLR-650 A-13 " Warthogg"
Stone Mountain, Ga.



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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:02:33 -0700
From: "Steven Timm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Mikuni Performance Carb

It's me again Fred...What might the price be for that puppy. I'm alreeady in
the poop house w/ me better half for geting the pipe so what the hell.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Fred Hink <[e-mail]>
To: KLR 650 list <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 22:41
Subject: (klr650) Mikuni Performance Carb


>Anyone needing a Mikuni Performance Carb Kit for their KLR650, let me know.
>I finally got one....
>
>Sorry John J., I think the KLR600 uses a different carb than the 650.
>Anyone know for sure?
>
>Fred Hink
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>         Arrowhead Motorsports
>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/
>435-259-7356  Fax [phone]
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:07:58 -0700
From: "Steven Timm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: Mobil 1 Synthetic Motorcycle Specific Oil (f

This greta stuff! Thanx for listing it.
Cheers...
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian <[e-mail]>
To: KLR List <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 22:44
Subject: (klr650) Fw: Mobil 1 Synthetic Motorcycle Specific Oil (f


>
>I know I know the oil thing again but I found this message very
>interesting....ciao..Brian
>
>got it from another list..take it with a grain of zinc..err salt!
>MDgt
>>i copped this from the zx-11 list - pretty interesting post - take it
>for
>what
>>its worth.
>>Brian
>>
>>Subject:  Re: Mobil 1 Synthetic Motorcycle Specific Oil
>>
>>Oil threads have been beaten to death, but the SabMag list has a few
>>petroleum-company engineers on it, and they've given the low-down on
>>moto-oils, added to my own little droppings of evidence and anecdote
>>I've gleaned over the years --
>>
>>Synthetic oils are more resistant to breakdown than mineral
>>(dinosaur) oils.  Multi-weight mineral-based oils have long-chain
>>polymers added to get the "-40" or "-50" characteristics. This means,
>>for example, that 10W-40 is 10W oil which behaves like 40W in
>>viscosity terms when it's hot.  It doesn't thin out with heat as
>>much, IOW.  The 10W part is for cold-cranking and warmup, because
>>straight 40W would flow too poorly at low temps. The long-chain
>>polymers "stretch out" with heat, thus maintaining viscosity.
>>
>>Okay, what happens, especially in motorcycles because of the shearing
>>action of the tranny gears, is the polymers break down over time,
>>both due to mechanical action and heat.  As the breakdown happens,
>>the oil becomes less and less viscous at high temps.  Thus, you need
>>to change the oil periodically for this reason alone.
>>
>>Synthetic oils are inherently more thermally and mechanically stable.
>>They were originally developed for aircraft jet turbine engines,
>>because of the large forces, high speeds and temps involved inside
>>the jet.  Thus, their formulations may not use as much, or any at
>>all, of the viscosity modifying polymers to get a certain
>>multi-viscosity rating, e.g. they just don't thin out as much with
>>heat as mineral-based oil.  Therefore, synthetic oils breakdown more
>>slowly.  They also lubricate better, e.g. they're "slicker".
>>
>>There's a twist, however.  Because most motorcycles have a
>>wet-clutch, you are constantly getting wear particles from the
>>clutches' abrasive material into the oil system.  Some of these
>>particles are sub-micron, and too small for the oil filter to trap.
>>Therefore, motorcycles, unlike cars, have an additional reason beyond
>>oil breakdown to change the oil frequently.  Dr. Brown's racing here
>>in Portland recommends 1000 mile change intervals on most
>>motorcycles, and uses good quality, but fairly generic mineral oil,
>>(he recommends Kendall as cheap enough/good enough).  This is because
>>at 1000 miles, even mineral oils haven't suffered much breakdown yet,
>>so the extra longevity of a synthetic is essentially wasted.
>>
>>But in my experience, the synthetics do provide smoother shifting and
>>quieter engine running, at least in Honda V-4's and the ZX-11.  I can
>>notice the difference on the ZX-11. More evidence that synthetics
>>lubricate better is that they are specifically dis-recommended for
>>engines in their breakin period, because they are so slippery, that
>>bearings and rings don't wear themselves in properly. So, if you
>>choose to spend the $$, a synthetic will smooth out the engine a bit,
>>although mineral oils certainly are "good enough" to protect the
>>engine through the life expectancy of the vehicle.
>>
>>The difference now facing motorcycles is that the new "SJ" oils are
>>lacking the wear-protectants present in earlier SAE specifications.
>>Specifically zinc zyganolophosphate (I'm sure I spelled that wrong)
>>which protects bearings and friction surfaces from metal-to-metal
>>wear, especially useful in motorcycle engines, because the tranny has
>>lots of metal-to-metal gears, is lacking.  The oil companies dropped
>>the zinc compounds for environmental protection reasons.
>>
>>So, I'm betting that the difference between the "new formulation SJ"
>>Mobil-1 and the "motorcycle blend" Mobil-1 is a healthy dose of zinc,
>>or other metal-to-metal wear-protectant. In fact, this compound being
>>present in the formulation is the primary difference between a
>>"motorcycle oil" and general-purpose automobile oils.  As the wear
>>compound contents go down over time to satisfy the EPA,
>>general-purpose oils become less and less suitable for motorcycle use.
>>
>>Now, here's the trick I learned.  STP "New Engine Additive" (there
>>are several kinds of STP, I'm talking about the "new engine" one), is
>>essentially a concentrated dose of Zinc zyganolophosphate suspended
>>in a little bit of mineral motor oil. It even says so in the fine
>>print on the back label. It costs about $1.29 for a pint of it.  A
>>pint "treats" about six quarts of oil.  I'd buy automobile-specific
>>Mobil-1 15W-50, and add about 1/2 of the bottle of STP to get the
>>metal-to-metal wear additive.  I have used Mobil-1 without the STP
>>additive, and I can tell even more difference in shifting especially
>>with the STP -- it's as smooth as silk with it. Probably any engine
>>oil additive with "zinc zyganolophosphate" as the main ingredient
>>would work just fine.  DO NOT USE TEFLON STUFF! PTFE or "Teflon" like
>>in slick-50 hasn't been shown to do anything good to an engine.
>>
>>So, in my own estimation, using various web pages I've seen, and
>>advice from motorcycle mechanics and the petro-engineers, I came up
>>with the personal formula of oil changes every 2000 miles with
>>Mobil-1 auto-type oil, and add 1/2 of a bottle of cheap zinc additive
>>to make it "motorcycle friendly".  It kept me and my machine happy.
>>But everyone has to decide for themselves, of course.  It's a
>>religious issue, and YMMV.  Dr. Brown says I was not changing oil
>>often enough, and some of the petro-engineers on the list said I was
>>wasting money by changing too frequently.
>>
>>KD
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:35:56 PDT
From: "James Chan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) dam...

Dear Mark, Peter and anyone else with a few loose screws,
Lost my little front windscreen and front license plate; and my whole left
fairing flew open on my virgin ride on my Tengai. Part of it came loose
during a <relatively> tough 6 hour off road section and the rest on the 80+
mph 'transport stage'.
Have now invested in some loctite, and have stopped losing my screws...
duh,... I think...
Fred would probably be able to recommend the correct loctite to get...
JC



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>To: "KLR650 Digest" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (klr650) dam...
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:04:37 -0400
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD <[e-mail]>
>
>
>
> > my last off-road excursion shook lose one of those bolts with
> > the allen head located just beneath the rear grab handle/luggage
> > rack.
> >
> > where am i gonna find another wonna those?
> >
>
>One of the bolts that holds the rack on, vibrated loose and fell off my
>bike. I went to my dealer, and they gave me one free.  I've also lost one
>of
>the screws that hold on the front exhaust pipe guard, and the screw for the
>left side radiator cover. You should check the all of them while your at
>it.
>But so far, my dealer is giving me replacements for free.
>Mark Wilson
>http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/track/6419
>http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/index.html
>KLR-650 A-13 " Warthogg"
>Stone Mountain, Ga.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:45:28 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Low Fender and Progressive Fork Springs

> From: Rev. Chuck <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (klr650) Low Fender and Progressive Fork Springs
>
>
> >After having enough front end issues with the KLR regarding the massive
> dive when mashing the front brakes, and the jib sail effect caused by the
> stock fender when in a cross wind, I ordered replacements from Fred at
> Arrowhead Motorsports.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Zuber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Low Fender and Progressive Fork Springs


> Which low fender did you mount?  The Acerbis?

Acerbis also makes an aluminium front fender brace that stiffens up the
fender considerably.

Arne


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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:53:02 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) various...

From: Eric Jasniewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) various...


> 1.  List disappointing - you don't pay us, take what you can get and be
> appreciative of others' efforts.  Some times you can ask a question that
no
> one has an answer to

Good point.  I've asked questions that generated a whack or responses and
others that got nil.   Unfortunately, the ones that didn't get the responses
were the most important ones to me at the time.  I flamed a bit and felt
like a goof afterwards.  I know myself that when I log on, sometimes I have
time to answer a lot of things, and sometimes I'm in scan mode.  Every day
is different.

> 4.  How the heck do you mount a Chase Harper 1150 tank bag (non-magnetic)
on
> the KLR?  The sucker is huge!  I bought it at the MAW clearance thing, so
I
> can't return it.  I only found two posts about the 1150,  one guy who had
> been using it for quite some time.  I thought that it was a highly
> recommended bag for the KLR, I may have been hallucinating again.  If
anyone
> wants to buy a brand-new in the bag 1150,. let me know.

Put shoulder straps on it and use it as a back-pack.

Arne



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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:51:19 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) (UK) Large Plastic Fuel Tank?

Anyone know if one can buy one of these (suitable for
a 99 KLR650) in the UK?  I understand Acerbis and
IMS make them; any others?  The Acerbis web site
wasn't very helpful (the only vaguely relevant tank
there was a 4.75 gallon one for a 96 KLX).

Thanks,
Andy

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:01:10 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) List disapointing

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stuart Mumford <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) List disapointing


> CA Stu A13 < - -  feels awkward replying to posts he knows nothing about
> (aboot, Arne)

That's an east coast thing...  Arne says abowt... =^)


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