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klr650-digest           Friday, July 2 1999           Volume 02 : Number 574



(klr650) Fork oil level
(klr650) Long distance ride
(klr650) Running out of gas
(klr650) clutch change fresh experience
Re: NKLR(klr650) Long distance ride
(klr650) 100% street KLR questions
Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions
RE: (klr650) NKLR ... 100% street KLR questions
Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions
Re: (klr650) I'm Baaaack!
Re: (klr650) FORK PRESSURE
Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions
Re: (klr650) Fork oil level
Re: (klr650) clutch change fresh experience
Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:43:25 -0400
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Fork oil level

You add 355ml of fork oil, NOT 420 (or 4 hundred whatever).  355 is for an
oil change.  You use the four hundred+ amount after disassembly and complete
dry.  Its in the KLR 650 supplement manual.

Eric J
www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz
'98 KLR 650 15,800 miles


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:09:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Long distance ride

Hi guys,

I'm about to head out to the Butt Lite 5000.  My bike is a '94 KLR650.
The engine, carb, and exhaust are stock.  No changes to the bars,
grips, mirrors, or brakes.  I'm still using the original clutch cable and
brake lines.  Same old stock headlight and tail light.  I use plain old
automotive oil and dump in a full three quarts.  No special sprockets
or gearing changes.

I choose not to worry about stuff like that.

Changes I've made to the bike include a Russell saddle, Givi bags,
Rifle windscreen, throttle lock, electric vest, fork mounted Night Cutter
(single light with a 55w bulb), Skip's fuel petcock mod, a Scottoiler,
and a handlebar mounted map window.

This rally seemed like a much better idea last year when I first signed
up.  I'm starting to have second thoughts.  Do I stand a chance against
K bikes, STs and Goldwings?  We'll see.  My bike has 41,000 miles on
it now.  It's lived a good life.  If you want to see how far I get before I
crater you can follow along at;

     www.teamstrange.com/buttlite/index.html

Pete Dean
Rider number 6

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:37:18 -0700
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Running out of gas

Rob Tayloe <[e-mail]>
<snip>
If this solution does not work, then I'm
going to replace the petcock with one
that doesn't require a vacuum-to-open.

Ideas and thoughts (including alternative
theories and suggestions) welcome.
*****************************************
Rob-  You might check the filter screen
part of the petcock inside the tank
for clarity.
Darrel



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 20:54:12 PDT
From: Di D <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) clutch change fresh experience

Took on changing my own clutch today.  Very easy job.  I waited 4 weeks for
a Barnett clutch - back ordered until mid-July here in Canada.  Ended up
getting EBC plates and springs.

The EBC plate kit I receieved had one too few plates. (I found a receipt in
the box of plates where it had been ordered to a Quebec dealer and returned
unused.) The EBC spring kit came with one extra spring?!?

As a friend suspected, the plates weren't that worn.  I used one of the
original plates to make up for the missing plate from the kit.  Springs
alone probably would have cured my clutch.  If I was doing this again, I
would have the waterpump and the side cover gaskets on hand.  Mine were
marginal and I may end up having some seepage from a couple points.
(Speaking of seepage - I recently had some of those WOW chips made with
Olestra - YEAUCH!!!)

The new springs take more effort to pull, but quite acceptable.  I haven't
put any miles on it yet - 'cause I gotta get an exhaust gasket before I put
the pipe back on.  Going to Ontario Sportbike Ralley in Parry Sound
tommorrow.  Hope to see other Dual-Sports there.

Eddie Caton A10


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:07:54 -0500
From: "John Houchins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NKLR(klr650) Long distance ride

K bikes, ST s, and Goldwings, Oh my! You go boy! Pete were you in Moab Utah
last April 1998, for the Utah Get Together? On A BMW with a fuel cell on the
back.

Johnny Omaha

Pete dean wrote..
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm about to head out to the Butt Lite 5000.  My bike is a '94 KLR650.
......
>This rally seemed like a much better idea last year when I first signed
>up.  I'm starting to have second thoughts.  Do I stand a chance against
>K bikes, STs and Goldwings?  We'll see.  My bike has 41,000 miles on
>it now.  It's lived a good life.  If you want to see how far I get before I
>crater you can follow along at;
>
>     www.teamstrange.com/buttlite/index.html
>
>Pete Dean
>Rider number 6
>



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:09:11 -0500
From: "K.D. Bailey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions

...Well, 99 % street. I just don't have much chance to ride off
road, but I love the KLR for urban riding. I ride two up quite a
bit. I don't want to turn it into a supermotard, but a curb
hopping urban beast! Here's what I'm thinking of:

100% street tires. Even semi sport bike tires. Suggestions?

Progressive front springs, stock spacer, 420 ml of 15w.

Lowering links.

Stainless steel brake lines, front and rear.

Moose bash plate.

Tim Bernard's racks.

Tim Bernard's radiator protector.

Replace brake and lever levers that the previous owner bent.

Replace throttle cable (full of sand).

Replace handlebars (I bent). Slightly lower and narrower, if
possible. Any suggestions?

Do I need to do anything about the rear shock or spring for two
up riding?

Am I forgetting anything that would be helpfull for city riding?

I appreciate any sugestions you can offer!
K. D. Bailey
'95 KLR-650

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:42:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions

K.D. Baily writes:

<< Am I forgetting anything that would be helpfull for city riding? >>

A big-ass horn and a headlight modulator (unless you live in AZ). In lieu of
those two modifications, consider an UZI Model B converted to full auto
mounted on the  handlebar cross bar. Perfect for urban assault riding. Just
thinking out loud, mind you.

Chris Lawson (A peace-loving sweetheart of a guy if ever there was one.
Honest.)

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:51:37 -0700
From: Michael Wehner <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR ... 100% street KLR questions

HK SP-89...modified.  Mounted at 100 degrees to assist clip
reloading.....essential for those rides through South Central.

NRA Rules

- -----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions


K.D. Baily writes:

<< Am I forgetting anything that would be helpfull for city riding? >>

A big-ass horn and a headlight modulator (unless you live in AZ). In lieu of

those two modifications, consider an UZI Model B converted to full auto
mounted on the  handlebar cross bar. Perfect for urban assault riding. Just
thinking out loud, mind you.

Chris Lawson (A peace-loving sweetheart of a guy if ever there was one.
Honest.)

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 01:45:57 -0700
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions

K.D.---
>
> 100% street tires. Even semi sport bike tires. Suggestions?

- -----Look at Metzler ME33's and 88's, Avon AM34's and 24's.
    Dunlop Trailmaxs and Michelin Siracs also have good reps.
    however, like Avons, one in four users say they lose
    it on wet pavement. The other three claim the opposite.
    (Note: Survey of limited group of 10 randomely volunteered)

>
> Progressive front springs, stock spacer, 420 ml of 15w.
>
- -----------Okay

> Lowering links.

- -------I was thinking of this also but an aftermarket seat may work.
>
> Stainless steel brake lines, front and rear.

- ---------yes.
>
> Moose bash plate.

- -----after seeing all of them I'm still considering going to an
    aluminum welding place, with stock one in hand, and having
    one made of thick material, one that protects sides more,
    slotting it or......trying to get one like the 'plastic'
    one I saw on a Tengai in Moab---it was nice.
>
> Tim Bernard's racks.

- -----------yes.
>
> Tim Bernard's radiator protector.

- ----------yes.
>
> Replace brake and lever levers that the previous owner bent.

- ---------'Emco' makes some that Fred(I think) can get, they're
    more comfortable than stock.
>
> Replace throttle cable (full of sand).

- ---------yes, or use one of those cable lube kits(shoots lube down
    the cable inside the jacket)
>
> Replace handlebars (I bent). Slightly lower and narrower, if
> possible. Any suggestions?

- -----------Some try, with a 3-4ft long 2-4in dia iron pipe, fixing
    them while still mounted on the bike.
        New bars come with or without a crossbar. I like
    crossbars cause of the goodies you can attach. Once upon a
    time there were old solid core aluminum bars, w/o
    crossbar, which were nice for re-bending. Weight:
    is weight really an issue on this huge a bike?
        You are best judge about height. Remember narrower
    means less leverage therefore less stability/control
    when the front end hits obstacles, even though sliding
    atwixt cars would be easier.
>
> Do I need to do anything about the rear shock or spring for two
> up riding?

    Depending on overall weight. The rebound damping adjust
    is at the base of shock-3,4,or5 prolly. If the rear tire
    is too close to the fender two up, maybe bottoms on
    bumps?....informed sources say the normal progressive spring
    (stiffer than stock) or either of the heavier duty
    progressive springs 'should' work. This has not actually
    been tried yet on the stock cartridge.....


>
> Am I forgetting anything that would be helpfull for city riding?

- -------rocket launchers, grenades!



            Good luck........  Toby Cal Posse

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:04:05 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) I'm Baaaack!

From: John Houchins <[e-mail]>


>Howdy to old friends and new friends,

>Arne, can I tell a funny story about you getting sideways on some slickrock
>on the Catacomb rock ride?
________________________________

Hey John, welcome back!

And to answer your question... by all means.  I'm sure it was more
entertaining from where you were standing.  =^)

Arne


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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:12:49 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) FORK PRESSURE

>Is PVC the best to use? I have seen a little debate surrounding
this...
>---
Well, you could use metal electrical conduit pipe, but its harder
to cut than PVC.  You could try finding your ideal pre-load by
cutting PVC spacers, and once you find it, cut a metal one of the
same length.  I have a little PVC saw that is no more than a wire
cable with rings on the ends.  Picked it up at Home Depot.  It
goes through PVC in three seconds flat.  (I've been doing a lot
of sprinkler work around here.)  I've only heard of one incidence
of a PVC spacer breaking down, and I think that maybe it was
because it wasn't quite long enough, and when the forks went from
full extension to compression, the little space between the
spacer and the inside of the fork cap was causing hammering on
that end of the spacer.  This won't be a problem in your
situation.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:15:59 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions

- -----Original Message-----
From: K.D. Bailey <[e-mail]>

Do I need to do anything about the rear shock or spring for two
up riding?

_______________________________

Yes.  Replace or upgrade it.

Arne



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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:26:41 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork oil level

>You add 355ml of fork oil, NOT 420 (or 4 hundred whatever).  355
is for an
>oil change.  You use the four hundred+ amount after disassembly
and complete
>dry.  Its in the KLR 650 supplement manual.
>
>Eric J


Roger that, good looking out Eric.  Another reason why its better
to measure your fork oil level from the top of the fork, spring
removed and fork fully compressed:  190 +/- 2 mm, which is about
7.5 inches for you non-metric types.

Jeff--who checks his fork oil level with every engine oil change,
damnit man!  Engine burns oil, and fork seal leaks.  I'm bleeding
man!


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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:32:31 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) clutch change fresh experience

>Took on changing my own clutch today.  Very easy job.  I waited
4 weeks for
>a Barnett clutch - back ordered until mid-July here in Canada.
Ended up
>getting EBC plates and springs.
>
When you get a chance, can you write up the play by plays?  I
know that inquiring minds want to know.  Was this covered in a
DSN article?  I haven't gotten around to subscribing and ordering
the back issues yet.  (Yeah I know, I'm a sinner.  But money is
tight.)

Jeff--A3 with its own marginal clutch.


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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 04:42:42 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 100% street KLR questions

>K.D. Baily writes:
>
><< Am I forgetting anything that would be helpfull for city
riding? >>
>
>A big-ass horn and a headlight modulator (unless you live in
AZ). In lieu of
>those two modifications, consider an UZI Model B converted to
full auto
>mounted on the  handlebar cross bar. Perfect for urban assault
riding. Just
>thinking out loud, mind you.
>
>Chris Lawson (A peace-loving sweetheart of a guy if ever there
was one.
>Honest.)
>
Mike suggests:
>HK SP-89...modified.  Mounted at 100 degrees to assist clip
>reloading.....essential for those rides through South Central.

>NRA Rules

Tobin suggests:
- -------rocket launchers, grenades!

Survey says:  BZZZZZ!

The Uzi and many other SMG's fire from the open bolt position.
The UZI in particular is notorious for accidental discharges,
especially when dropped.  Also, accuracy is greater when firing
from a closed bolt position, where you just have the hammer
moving forward instead of the entire bolt assembly.

I like the HK-89, and I really like the HK Mark 23 (boy did I
ever fire the hell out of that one!), but I just have to go with
the HK MP5A5 here.  This is the original MP5 that fires a 10mm
round.  Actually, you can get this SMG in .40 S&W and .45 ACP now
too.  This is the most beautiful SMG in existence.  Fires from
the closed bolt, can be fired when fully submerged in water,
totally accurate, extremely high cyclic rate, unimaginable
reliability.  Great for firing one handed while riding for those
quick suppressive bursts, and also great in single shot mode two
handed with the HK scope, stock extended for those long range
accurate shots.  I would say go for a HK G3, but I think that is
a little too much club to reach the green in an urban
environment.

As for the rocket launchers and grenades.  Well, the AT-4 rocket
would be too big and awkward to carry and fire from the bike, and
extending a LAW rocket into firing configuration would be next to
impossible while riding.  The blowback from both of these is
pretty considerable, so that would have to be accounted for.
Deploying hand grenades has always been a two handed operation,
despite those heroes in the movies that pull the pins with their
teeth.  I think that a second weapon in addition to the MP5 is in
order here, the M79 40 mm grenade launcher.  You can't mount the
M203 to the MP5, so that's out.  You could ditch the MP5 for a
Colt M4 carbine, the cut down carbine version of the M-16 with a
telescoping stock.  This you can mount the M203 40 mm launcher
to, and would make a pretty good option, but more awkward to
sling while riding than the HK.  Also, the 5.56 Nato round is
again too much club.  (we don't want to inflict collateral
damage).

Hey, you guys started it!  You said urban assault and wound my
spring!  For those of you who know my background, you know I'm
half joking, half serious, been there, done it, hope I never have
to do it again.

Dawn in 30 minutes, almost time to ride!

Jeff




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