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klr650-digest         Thursday, April 8 1999         Volume 02 : Number 253




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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:48:33 -0400
From: don roger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) 40 out of 150+ - bears

Hey!

In my last 150 or more messages 40 have "bear" in them!

Is this list about motorcycles or is it an annex of some National =
geographic list? This is too much IMHO. Can we PLEASE get back on topic =
and stop beasting this subject to death? We don't even drag a =
KLR-related topic on this long!

Don, who can't even say B**re anymore

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 20:53:29 -0400
From: "J.Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) UNSUBSCRIBE? HAH! NEVER!

> I am uncertain as to whether I have complied with your
> requirements
>  to be removed from your list or not.

You didn't make the requisite $300 purchase from Fred Hink nor did you
subscribe to DSN,  prepaying Gino for the next five years' issues. Start
there and as always....HTH!

Jake  (hows that for a business boosting plug, eh?)

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:40:17 -0600
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 40 out of 150+ - bears

- -----Original Message-----
From: don roger <[e-mail]>
To: Klr650 Mail List (E-mail) <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:44 PM
Subject: (klr650) 40 out of 150+ - bears


Hey!

In my last 150 or more messages 40 have "bear" in them!

Is this list about motorcycles or is it an annex of some National geographic
list? This is too much IMHO. Can we PLEASE get back on topic and stop
beasting this subject to death? We don't even drag a KLR-related topic on
this long!


Don,

Set your e-mail filter to delete mgs with bear in them.  Problem solved.

Cheers,

Vik

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:18:15 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Bears - Do Koala's count?

At 10:47 PM 4/8/99 +0000, Stevens, Greig (CALBBAY) wrote:
>Anyway, with our gun laws it's a good thing that we don't have to plan for
>those sort of contingencies.

What about those pesky tourists?
Stuart
A12
Juno Beach, Florida USA

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:10:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) New List Member

In a message dated 4/9/99 12:04:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:

<< So far, I'd say you have 100+% of a GS's capabilities at about 75% of the
 weight.
  >>
And the parts are a third of the price

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:15:23 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR ... Dr. Bronner's soap...

At 04:19 PM 4/8/99 -0600, Kurt Simpson wrote:
>>Seriously, regarding soaps - I like using liquid peppermint (Dr. Castille
>>or something like that) soap - do bears like the smell of peppermint?  What
>>about the smell of eucalyptus?
>
>http://www.seattletimes.com/news/lifestyles/html98/bron_020799.html
>
>no Stuart...from my hippie days of living in my Volkswagen Van (for two
years) I can tell you
>it was Dr. Bronner's soap...we used it for everything...gave you quite a
pucker on the ole
>private parts if you know what I mean son...

I use it all the time and hardly notice a thing and hadn't looked at the
label in over 10 years.  Blue label, that's all I look for.  I was more
afraid of the pucker I'd get trying to outrun (yes, I know I don't have a
chance) a bear...

Stuart

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:52:11 -0400
From: don roger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Filtering out the BE*RS....

Vik wrote:
Don,

Set your e-mail filter to delete mgs with bear in them.  Problem solved.

Cheers,

Vik


a) Not all of us (like say - me) know how to set filters. Or necessarily =
want to filter out every message with "that" word in them. We might miss =
something good.
b) I was trying to make the point that as a group we should use some =
prudence and recognize when we are beating an off-topic subject to =
death, and not fight to get in the "last word"
c) I guess I was half-hoping for some element of "contrition" from some =
of the b**r afficionados, and put a close to this tangent, IMHO your =
response is urging-on or condoning the tangential topics that get =
further and further from what I presume we all originally signed on for, =
a list about motorcyling using KLR650s.

I'll get off my soapbox now

Don Roger

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:44:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Slow Deceleration

In a message dated 4/8/99 9:48:52 AM Central Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I've only had the A2 for 2 months now and I'm still in the process of
 setting up the bike to have it ready for the AMA "Dirty Dabbers Great
 Adventure" at the end of May. >>
Mark, people use the air screw to enrichen their idle to quarter throttle
response, but that is the wrong way to do it. The pilot jet should be
replaced with one size bigger and adjust the air screw mabe a half a turn or
slightly more to allow quicker drive away times and smoother idle to quater
throttle response. The bigger pilot will actually help all the way up the rev
range because the pilot bleeds at all throttle settings. frank

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:36:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) R rated.

<< >One thing I would like to add is that all words typed should be acceptable
 >to all ages & not turn this into an "R" rated list like the KLR list is. >>


Is there anything left in the world that a bunch of hypersensitve, ultra PC,
uptight reactionary fruitcakes can just let be? That guy is full of doo doo!
Poopypants! I doubt any one of us is hearing / reading swear words for the
first time, and I personally can't remember seeing any gratuitous or out of
line cussing on the list. How dare he judge this list! I say he needs a big
wedgie.

PS I am only 11 years old.
                        CA Stu

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:59:05 -0600
From: " Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: NKLR Sorry, one more gun

>> The reality is that, as of the early 1980s, there had *never* been a
>>documented sucessful act of self-defence against a big bear using a
handgun
>>of any caliber, including the vaunted .44 magnum.


Sorry Tom, documented in Alaska many times over, and here in Montana. One of
my customers is a Montana Fish & Wildlife Officer and has investigated
several successful self-defense episodes of
" handgun versus bear" and in one situation the caliber was a
  .357 magnum, which broke the bear`s front shoulder, which didn`t kill him,
but allowed the fisherman to escape.
   I was in Alaska 10 years, living on the Kuskokwim River and am very
familar with many instances where a handgun stopped an attack,
not to mention my own two incidents. I will say that with over 30+
confrontations (here and Alaska) I successfully avoided conflict except for
those two times.





In later years this
>unfomfortable statistic lead to the development of some grossly overpowered
>handgun cartriges and oversized guns to try and remedy this problem. I
>fired one of the realy big ones one time, a six-shot Redhawk converted into
>a five-shot .500 Linebaugh Magnum, and it was the most brutal expereience
>on a range I have ever suffered through.I thumbed the hammer back and let
>fly four times (hitting nothing) ,

The .500 Linebaugh Magnum is one of the most favored
thick-skinned game hunting pistols currently in use. It has taken virtually
every species of big game, here and abroad. Ross Siegfrid
has even taken Cape Buffalo and African Lions with it. I agree, it isn`t a
fun gun to shoot, but it can`t be shot like a small caliber pistol. That`s
the reason the best grip style is the Bisley. You should allow the gun to
rotate in your hand and let it bend your arms at the elbow.
My .45 Long Colt loads up to equal and exceed .454 Casull numbers
and my wife has hunted with it.
   I`ve hunted everything from whitetail to 2000lb. Alaska moose with my
Ruger .44 mag. and in the several moose I`ve taken, only two required a
second shot.


>
> Then again, even the big Linebaugh has only a fraction of the muzzle
>energy of a .375 Holland and Holland rifle, which is considered minimal
>amongst professional Alaskan guides.




As a former Alaska guide and outfitter, I`ll have to dispute the above
statement. A lot of guides did and many still use the venerable
.375  H&H. I started out with a Weatherby  .300 Magnum when I first joined
the Alaska Guide Association and eventually the trend went
back to the proven 45-70. Most back-up and defense shots are taken at close
range, and the fat,  big ( 500 grain handloads) slow  45-70
has proven since the 60`s to be an excellent close range, one shot
bear stopper. Virtually no caliber is adequate in unexperienced hands. At
the time that I was working for the guide that trained me,
he had made 7 back-up grizzly kills, one was with a Weatherby .370,
the other six with the .45-70. He had one griz kill with his .44 mag.
during an attack invoving a client`s downed  Caribou.
    Keep in mind that it`s not just caliber or power, but a well placed
shot. Most hunters that have never hunted big game think bigger is better,
not always. Non-residents show up here to hunt Elk with
.300 Winchester Mags, .300 Weatherby`s, even .458`s. Do you realize that
most residents and experienced elk hunters around here use .308`s, .264`s,
30-06`s ...etc. I personally hunt with my pistol, but
when I`m on the East side, and know my shots will be over 100 yds.
I use a 30-06.
 The key is penetration, with enough energy left to cause damage, not just
power.



> Handgun vs. a big Brownie is by no means a good bet, no matter the power
>level of your arm of choice. A tie is not acceptable in this game.

>-Tom
>'96 KLR 650


It`s a terrible bet. And honestly, your best bet in an attack involving
an Alaska Brown or grizzly, is to play dead, but down here in the
Lower 48, the better bet (again, I strongly emphasize) in experienced
hands, is the handgun ( and that`s if I don`t happen to be carrying a rifle,
which I wouldn`t unless I was hunting). That`s my opinion and I stand behind
it with experience. I refuse to play dead when I have a proven means of self
defense at hand, especially when it`s worked before.

Skip ( who`s beared out, and ready to get back to brakes)

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:23:22 -0700
From: "Dave Payne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) 500 mile check

My A13 has just been returned to me after its 500 mile check. When I first
took it in, I asked if they check the valves and I was told not only that
they would be checked, but how the whole procedure is carried out. I did
"mark" my KLR and this proved to me when I picked it up that the valves were
checked. Then again, you really only know if you are there, but I have a
job. Now I can officially go over 4000rpm which I am very happy about. The
cost of the service was $136.48. This dealership offers a discount to people
who buy their bikes from them. If I had purchased the bike elsewhere, the
bill would have been $170. When I picked it up, the mechanic who did the
service was not there. I was invited back to discuss the details with him
later. I have had good luck with this dealership in the past. Glad that's
over with.

Dave

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:25:06 -0600
From: " Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650)NKLR Headlight gaurd

>The peel and stick stuff from dual-star is exactly the same stuff sold in
>auto parts stores for cars - the only difference is the dual-start item is
>cut to fit your KLR and its more expensive.  I bought a big sheet of the
car
>stuff and did my GS500 as well.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Vik

Vik is right, it`s all made by 3M and most auto stores carry it. It cost me
$3 to cover my A9`s light. It is a self stick application, the same as
the Dual-Star stuff. I saw a Harley with it attached to the front of his
hard-cases, to prevent rock chips. It works great but is a pain to get off.
A customer told me that Chrystler charged him $400 as an option to put the
stuff on his headlights and tail-lights.

Skip ( great stuff for head use when sneaking in late at night)
>

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:21:33 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Bear talk

>All I can tell you is that mosquitoes only react to CO2 at any distance
over
>a few feet.  Every soldier has had to deal with these evil critters and I
>have heard all sorts of "absolute truths".  The fact is they fly following
>an increasing CO2 gradient - nothing else...not light, not blood, not
>deodorant, etc.  Once they are within a couple feet the items you mentioned
>may or may not attract them (I don't know), but when they are that close
>they are going to bite you - unless 1) you are using a strong DEET based
>repellent or 2) something more attractive gets their attention in the
>immediate vicinity.
>
Right, as to them following a CO2 gradient, this is interesting, but places
I've been, the air is so dense with the little bastards that they are always
within a few feet from you anyway.  I've personally had good luck with skin
so soft.  But then I was putting all manor of stuff on, trying desperately
to keep the little blood suckers away.  I had this camo colored insect net
you wear over your head, like a bee keeper.  I tell you, they could swarm
you so bad that they could drive you insane, even if you didn't get bit.

Jeff

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:28:17 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Just got my bike jetted and dyno'd - results

>yeah, I'd like to see that.  Anyone else suprised at the low output?  I
thought
>the stockerwas supposed to be around 37bhp.
>
I think that figure is at the crankshaft.  It will be lower at the wheel.

Jeff

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:37:21 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Article Rider May '99

>9) replaced turn signals - okay...the stock ones are a little over sized
>
Oversized if you want to just squeak by for street legal, not for those who
ride on the street every day and need them.  I kind of like the turn
signals.  I think that they are definately better than those on the Honda
XL500S and XL600R that I've owned.  I'm not too fond of the switch
though....


>8) what else did they miss..maybe we can write a rebuttal and send it to
>Rider......=)

Sounds like you're right on it and have a good start, so go ahead, we trust
you to represent the general consensus of the group!  Send them some
pictures of your monstor box to really impress them.  Five will get you ten
they publish it in the next issue.

Jeff
>
>Cheers,
>
>Vik
>
>8)
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:43:20 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Just got my bike jetted and dyno'd - results

>If you "feel" a power difference (which you should) then I would suspect
>that there was more of a power gain than just 0.8.
>
>Arne
>
What was the difference in atmospheric pressures, temps and all that from
your baseline reading?

Also, with the fast roll on, we are talking about a what, 16% improvement
over stock?  I'd say that you'd definitely notice that from the seat of your
pants.

Jeff

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (Conall O'Brien)
Subject: (klr650) Re: Linda's website NKLR

Well listers we may have our KLR's set-up pretty well but Linda is
giving us a good run for our money with her electronic(bionic) tank bag.
You gotta see this...
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807

Conall

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:53:17 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Bear talk

>Stuart
>(Survived an alligator charge in the Everglades)

I remember in Ranger School in Florida how I noticed that the Ranger
Instructors all carried live rounds in their pistols, while the rest of us
were packing hundreds of pounds of blanks.  I remember being so tired and
thinking that their rounds might be for students that got seriously out of
line or something.  I didn't think about the gators until later.

Jeff

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