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klr650-digest         Wednesday, April 7 1999         Volume 02 : Number 241




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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:32:33 -0700
From: "e. rhoads" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) this the right place?   NKLR

Er, um, pardon me but I was looking for the KLR650 riders/Gun enthusiasts
list.
  Is this the right place?

thanks,
eric

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:16:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Simple Bear Necessity

On 4/6/99, [e-mail] writes: snip

  [Pepper spray for bears]
>Short of that douse yourself with the stuff...
>they may not like the taste.


 I've watched the bears around here enjoy Corona and chips
 that the slob campers leave behind. These bears might
 appreciate a little jalapeno spray with their klrist.

 Redondo Ron - bear neked on an A10

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:16:22 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Lions and tigers and bears (oh my!)

>Skip, Jeff, and fellow listers-
>............> snip<.......................
.  The bandwidth
>thing doesn't bother me... One less posting on
>oil levels isn't going to kill me.  For what it's
>worth...
>
>Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR
>"The Intrigued Hooligan"


Sorry Juan, I`m not through with the oil yet.

Skip

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:24:51 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Kermit chair

>>While we're on the topic of folding items, does anyone have that folding
>>step-stool from Sporty's Pilot Shop? (Skip?) I was thinking that it would
>>be a great KLR travel item. It folds flat, looks strong  and could be used
>>as a chair & possibly double as a lift stand.
>>Mark
>>B2
>>A2


Mark, I agree with Stuart, the pre-flight stool is light and with a cushion,
makes a great stool to carry on a motorcycle, but I don`t consider it stable
enough or strong enough to use as a bike stand. Mine has had lot`s of use
and has held up great, but it`s not designed for that much weight.


Skip

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:26:21 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Lions and tigers and bears (oh my!)

|Sorry Juan, I`m not through with the oil yet.
|
|Skip
|

I'm not either...when Cloudhidden arrives in Moab I'm going to change his oil for him and
measure it myself....

Kurt

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:27:42 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Canyons Rally 99...NKLR

Ged, we're having a ball on the KLR list tonight talking about Bears in God's country...should
I be worried?

Kurt
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ged Schwartz <[e-mail]>
To: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:24 PM
Subject: Canyons Rally 99


|Kurt,
|Your registration with a cheque for $100 (US) arrived in the mail
|today....you are officially hooked up. Print this note if you need a receipt.
|
|I will be mailing maps and itineraries in early May.
|
|Drop me a note if you have any questions in the meantime.
|
|And a big thank you again for passing along the Rally info to fellow KLR
|riders.
|
|Ged
|
|
|

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:30:18 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Bears

.................> snip<..........
>A little can of mace is gonna make something like that go away?


>
>Tom (V-Max -> A13)

It is a good day to die


Bear spray is not mace. It`s a mixture based on 10% Capsicum
( peppers) and has stopped charging bears in their tracks.

Skip

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:34:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Getting the IDS Apart.......

In a message dated 4/6/99 9:12:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Bill, I gave up on mine...how did you get it apart?

 Kurt
  >>
They are stuck in there pretty tightly. The instructions that come with the
pipe are bogus. You can't even get a dowel rod from one end of the IDS to the
other!
I took the end cap and discs off, and tapped it pretty hard on a very soft
wood-topped bench. Slid about 1/8", but then I got the idea to take a set of
thin wire strippers, stand the pipe on it's big end, and put one side of the
wire strippers (You could use many things, maybe even a paint stirring stick)
across the slots that are cut into the smaller end. Put whatever you use,
pliers or whatever into the slots until it is level with the inner black part
of the pipe. Then I just tapped on it slightly hard with a hammer, and the
whole thing began to slide down as I tapped slowly. I was leary of doing
this, but it was the only thing that worked, and it didn't damage the inside
pipe at all (i thought it would bend it). A paint stick would probably work
just as well or better, and there wouldn't be any chance of hurting the
inside pipe. I also sprayed ZEP45 along the outer part of the inside, and
that seemed to help the sliding as it went down. This is the only method I
could come up with guys/gals, other than banging it crazily on a bench, which
would have bent it up and made it look more like SuperCrap, than SuperTrapp :)

Bill S.
A12 "Moose"
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:28:44 -0700
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR self-defence

>Those Canuks have just got something about weapons, right Vik?
>
>Skip


Skip et al,

We have no problems with weapons, pistols, etc.. as long as you don't carry
any!..=)

In our version of your constitution, where you guys have the bit about the
right to bear arms...ours says something about the right to drink good beer
and party our asses of!

I carried a pistol in the army and the first thing I did was grab a rifle
(whenever possible).  I was trained to use the pistol and I think I am a
decent shot (no sniper here), but a pistol is just too little too late (mind
you I kept the pistol for certain situations buildings, trenches, etc).  I
understand for personal protection in an urban environment you can't be
toting around an assault weapon (or can you guys???), but most people's
ability to use a pistol effectively verges on nil when under pressure.  Even
more scary than a person's inability to actually hit what they are aiming at
is their propensity to fire in the general direction of the bad man and hit
other people/things.

I think the best investment in personal safety an urbanite can make is some
sort of self-defense class.  Forget the black belt unless you are really
passionate about martial arts, but you can learn 10 different ways to
incapacitate/disable a person pretty easily even if you are small or a lady.
The best thing is you'll always have those skills with you, there is no
safety button, and no ammunition is required.

If I ever hook up with one of you guys for a ride/trip either don't bring
your gun or show me some reason to believe you are extremely competent with
it (both in skill at using it and knowing when to fire/when to not fire).
Otherwise its more of a threat to me than to any bad guys.

Oh btw I have a ceramic/kevlar body armour (gift from a client) so at least
tell ahead of time you are bringing your gun - I'll leave my MX chest
protector at home and bring the body armour.

Vik (putting on his body armour in case the NRA can trace this msg..=)

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:44:55 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Bringing Guns into Canada - NKLR

...................> snip<...............
>As for the Bear Blasters - buy it once you are here.  Available at any
>sporting goods store that deals in hunting stuff.
>
>Arne
>
>

All handguns are illegal to carry across, no exceptions. You have to
petition the Province you`re going into to bring a  "competitive" handgun
in. Long guns are legal, but you better declare them. When going to Alaska,
mail your pistol to a gunsmith in Alaska and pick it up when you get there.
    The bear spray is illegal to carry into Canada, but you can buy once
you`re  there.
   Yes it does work in most cases, but only if less than a year old.
We had 3 incidents in the Park last year where it was used and it worked in
all three cases. We had a case the year before where it took the whole can
and the bear still wouldn`t completely back down. It turned out the stuff
was 3 years old and was estimated to be only 30% potent.
   No, it doesn`t always work, but I prefer it to nothing and compared to a
handgun used by a proficient individual, I will always choose the gun. I`ve
used them on bears, I have no experience with the Spray.

Skip

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:49:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Bear talk

Man, all this talk about bears has me wondering about flying to Key West
for the summer instead of Prudhoe!!!! ;-)

Anyone ever see the movie Grizzly? Christopher George was in it. I believe
it was made shortly after Jaws.

So far I'm considering bear repellant, and kung fu kicks to the bear's
schnoz.....




===
Alex Jomarron
Oak Park, IL USA
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) bear talk 2

On second thought, if the ratio in Canada is 2-1 women, they better have
pepper spray when I ride through. ;-)

At 15-1 in Utah, the Moab rally is looking better.....

Alex<---currently trying to peer out of a dating valley!
A12

===
Alex Jomarron
Oak Park, IL USA
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:52:48 -0700
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Bringing Guns into Canada - NKLR

>   No, it doesn`t always work, but I prefer it to nothing and compared to a
>handgun used by a proficient individual, I will always choose the gun. I`ve
>used them on bears, I have no experience with the Spray.
>
>Skip


I will agree you with as long as we keep the "proficient individual" part
front and centre.  Unfortunately, I have met too many people who figure a
subscription to Soldier of Fortune and a copy of Dogs of War is all it takes
to be proficient at using a handgun.  When put in a situation where they
have to decide under pressure  what to do they either freeze or do something
nutty.

I am trained to use a handgun in combat (a charging bear qualifies as
combat) and I am able to function well under stress (a charging bear
qualifies as stress), but I would not want to be holding a 9mm pistol and
facing a bear.  If I was really worried or had to protect my kids I would
carry a shotgun.

But, ultimately what it comes down to is what makes you comfy and able to
enjoy your time in the backcountry.  I have 15 years of experience in the
backcountry and have had several bear/wolf/big animal encounters, I have
never carried any weapon/spray and I have never felt threatened or fearful.
I am more scared about some ass*ole taking me out when I am putting around
on my KLR than a bear attack.

Hey at least I worked "KLR" into my msg!

Vik

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:56:56 -0700
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) bear talk 2

- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 10:56 PM
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) bear talk 2


>On second thought, if the ratio in Canada is 2-1 women, they better have
>pepper spray when I ride through. ;-)
>
>At 15-1 in Utah, the Moab rally is looking better.....
>
>Alex<---currently trying to peer out of a dating valley!


Alex, Fred said the were 15-1, but didn't say whether they were good looking
or the product of too little genetic diversity (is that the PC way to say
inbred?...=)

Just kidding Fred.....ummmm....you are still sending me the parts I need
right?.....or did a sudden jump in the currency exchange just double the
cost?..=)

Vik

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:16:47 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Lions and tigers and bears (oh my!)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
To: Skip Faulkner <[e-mail]>; KLR650 Page
<[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Lions and tigers and bears (oh my!)


>
>|Sorry Juan, I`m not through with the oil yet.
>|
>|Skip
>|
>
>I'm not either...when Cloudhidden arrives in Moab I'm going to change his
oil for him and
>measure it myself....
>
>Kurt
>
>
>

Is that before or after Kathleen shows you how to put your bike on the
center stand?

Hey Sis!!  You got any umbrellas?

Fred

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:29:29 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) bear talk 2

- -----Original Message-----
From: Vik Banerjee <[e-mail]>
To: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) bear talk 2


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 10:56 PM
>Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) bear talk 2
>
>
>>On second thought, if the ratio in Canada is 2-1 women, they better have
>>pepper spray when I ride through. ;-)
>>
>>At 15-1 in Utah, the Moab rally is looking better.....
>>
>>Alex<---currently trying to peer out of a dating valley!
>
>
>Alex, Fred said the were 15-1, but didn't say whether they were good
looking
>or the product of too little genetic diversity (is that the PC way to say
>inbred?...=)
>
>Just kidding Fred.....ummmm....you are still sending me the parts I need
>right?.....or did a sudden jump in the currency exchange just double the
>cost?..=)
>
>Vik
>
>
>

Haven't you built that hitch for your KLR yet, to pull the Canadian beer
wagon to Moab?

Fred

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:00:46 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Bringing Guns into Canada - NKLR

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vik Banerjee <[e-mail]>
To: Skip Faulkner <[e-mail]>; Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
Cc: KLR650 Page <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Bringing Guns into Canada - NKLR



> I am trained to use a handgun in combat (a charging bear qualifies as
> combat) and I am able to function well under stress (a charging bear
> qualifies as stress), but I would not want to be holding a 9mm pistol and
> facing a bear.  If I was really worried or had to protect my kids I would
> carry a shotgun.

I know a guy who went to Japan for two years to teach english classes.  He
studied Aikido for a bit while there.  He was also charged by an elephant
while there - don't ask me how.  He froze.  Can you say "PUNT"?

Arne - who has only been charged for speeding.

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:14:34 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Big Gun - not bears

Received two packages in the mail today.  All the back-issues of DSN (thanks
Gino), and my Big Gun exhaust.  The first package was considerably cheaper
than the second.  The exhaust (complete set from front to back) came to
about $500 Canadian.  Then there was an extra charge I didn't count on (in
addition to the G.S.T. - $35, and Shipping - $43), an additional $60 in
import charges (brokerage fee, freight/port fee).  Once all was said and
done I'm out $638.  This thing better work as good as it looks.

Any one else out there running this exhaust?  You like?

Arne

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:00:54 -0500
From: "Tom Meagher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Bringing Guns into Canada - NKLR

- -----Original Message-----
From: Vik Banerjee <[e-mail]>

[snip]
>1)  be cautious - very cautious and carry nothing - be aware of bear
>patterns (ie.  when they need food and where locally that might be)  I do
>this myself as I don't own a gun/shotgun.

[snip]
>
>But, ultimately what it comes down to is what makes you comfy and able to
>enjoy your time in the backcountry.  I have 15 years of experience in the
>backcountry and have had several bear/wolf/big animal encounters, I have
>never carried any weapon/spray and I have never felt threatened or fearful.
>I am more scared about some ass*ole taking me out when I am putting around
>on my KLR than a bear attack.
>
>Hey at least I worked "KLR" into my msg!
>
>Vik
>


Vik, I think you pretty much hit the nail right on the head. I resonate with
this philosophy 100%.

Personally, I'd rather lug a camera around, and take pictures of animals
than shoot them.  But every now and then
I get a little insecure, and the "gun freak" macho mentality surfaces.  I
don't even own a gun, aside from
the wife's .25 semi, that she keeps in her bed table (probably for
protection from me...).

You want real scary danger?  Hang out in a city.

Still, After hearing Skip's information on the pepper spray, it seems like
it might be a good idea for
a little extra peace of mind when things "go bump in the night".
(Especially after just finishing that
late night peanut butter sandwich, and realizing you can't find your
toothbrush...)

Tom (V-Max -> A13)

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