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klr650-digest        Friday, October 15 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1021



Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops
Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops
Re: (klr650) KLR500
Re: (klr650) Sargent's Seats
RE: (klr650)Wobble
Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops
RE: (klr650) Sargent's Seats
RE: (klr650) Sargent's Seats
Re: (klr650) KLR500
Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet
RE: (klr650)Wobble
Re: (klr650) RE:KLR500
Re: (klr650)Wobble
RE: (klr650)Wobble

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:18:07 -0700
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops

Per Bursell wrote:
>=20
> Hello!!
>=20
> How often should i replace the camchain on my 91 tengai??
> It has done 31000km and my question is: Is it time to replace??

YES.
=20
> An another question: When i=B4m riding around then sometimes
> when i let go of the throttle it suddenly dies. It doesent matter if th=
e
> bike is cold or warm. Could it be that the carburator is leaking..

Try any and all:) Gas-air mix adjust, idle adjust. Intake and Exhaust
restrictions(clean air filter?). New Spark plug or re-gap the old.=20
                        Toby   LA=20
> / Per B
> Sweden
>=20
> Visit the KLR650 archives at
> http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?lnSubscribe to Dual Sport News.=
..write to [e-mail]
> for info.

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:34:48 -0500
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops

- ----------
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
To: Per Bursell <[e-mail]>; lists <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops
Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 3:18 AM

Per Bursell wrote:
>>
>> Hello!!
>>
>> How often should i replace the camchain on my 91 tengai??
>> It has done 31000km and my question is: Is it time to replace??

>YES.

31,000km is about 18,000 miles isn't it?  I would say that the cam chain is
good for quite a while longer than that, in my humble opinion anyway.  A
surefire way is to measure the cam chain for stretch, or to see if the cams
can still be timed properly.  Does anyone know if the service manual has a
spec for stretch on the chain.  I would check, but my service manual is 20
miles away at my parents house.

Thanks,
Carlos



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:17:27 PDT
From: "CrazyDave" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR500

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:27:55 +1000, Ted Palmer wrote:

> R. Kaub wrote:
> [...]
> > The KLR500 is the other bike pictured on the cover of the base factory
> > service manual for the KLR650.  The manual covers both bikes.
>
> In which case the 500 will be some individual market aberration.
> Considering the lazy power of the 650, the 500 might be a model that
> Kawasaki might regard as best forgotten.
>
> Does the manual have any engine specs like bore/stroke?
> I'm just wondering if the 500 is based on the 600 (564cc) dimensions
> or the 650.
>
> Mister_T
>
>
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Bore  89.0x80.0
Disp.  497 ml
H/p   29.4 kw (40 ps) @7500 rpm
torque  38.2 nm (28.2 ft lbs)@600 rpm

Hope this helps,    CrazyDave




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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:58:45 -0400
From: Patrick Sprague <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Sargent's Seats

Yes, Alan.  I had a really nice looking solo saddle done for my BMW GS, but
it sure isn't comfortable for more than 100 miles (Bill Mayer is re-doing
it as I type).   Many like Sargent's seats, but there is NO comfort
guarantee. Guess it depends on how far you want to ride, plus individual
differences. If you want LD comfort, only Mayer's or Russell offer a
guarantee, AFAIK. For style, color matching, etc., Sargent's or Corbin will
do.  Good luck.





At 11:49 PM 10/14/99 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>Anybody had any experience with Sargent's Seats, in particular seats built
>with their "super atomic foam" (!)? This seems like a more economical choice
>than Corbin.
>
>Alan.
>
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>for info.
>
>
Pat                Rileyville, VA

94 ZG1000          COG 1887
75 R90/6           ABC 1619
88 R100GS          BMWMOA 71601
76 GL1000 JAWA     CWC 295, USCA 5846
99 KLR 650         FSSNOC 3610

AMA LIFE 582933    MSF INSTR 46593






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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:20:54 -0400
From: "Scherer, Michael" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650)Wobble

Bogdan, which tires are you using? I have the K750s and it gets a =
little
hairy over 85 for me.  But I still have the stock fender.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Bogdan Swider [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:20 PM
To: 'Brian Shepard'; Blake, Paul
Cc: '[e-mail]'
Subject: RE: (klr650)Wobble



    Many listers have attributed front end wobble to the high front
fender which is one of the reasons after market low fenders are a =
popular
upgrade. My bike with its Acerbis fender never wobbles and I run at =
85-90mph
a lot. It's also rock solid when occasionally I speed up to 100 (the =
bike
won't go any faster.) Bogdan

    My A13 is completely stock. Yes, I have experienced wobble while
riding on
    Interstate 95 in heavey traffic at 70-80 MPH. When this first
happened to me I
    guessed correctly that it was turbulence caused by the other
vehicles all around
    me so I sped up to get away from everyone and the wobble stopped. At
least in my
    case it was indeed caused by other vehicles all around me and in
front of me. It
    gets pretty nasty when two or more big rigs are on each side and one
or two in
    front.

    -Brian Shepard
     Philadelphia PA
     A13


    "Blake, Paul" wrote:

    > Alright, I'm sure someone (probably several) on the list can
answer, or
    > offer advice on this:
    >
    > I installed the Progressive Fork Springs last week, cutting =BE of
an inch off
    > the stock spacer, and using 15w fork oil.  I rode it some solo,
and it
    > definitely made for a firmer ride.  My wife and I then did about
250 miles
    > two-up over the weekend, mostly highway, cruising 75 & 80 mph
indicated for
    > a majority of the time.  The ride was perfect with the two of us,
with the
    > exception of the rear end numbing buzz (unrelated) at those
speeds.  This
    > morning, I decided to ride the bike into work.  So, I'm zipping
along the
    > tollway, with traffic, at 75 and 80 mph, and I am getting an
inconsistent
    > wobble in the front end.  Nothing scary really, and but a bit
disconcerting
    > at that speed.  It would stop if I slowed, and/or loosened my grip
on the
    > bars.  There was quite a bit of traffic around, and I am wondering
if it may
    > have simply been the turbulence from the surrounding vehicles.
Obviously,
    > slowing would take me out of their turbulence, and loosening my
grip would
    > somewhat change the air flow around me due to a slight body
movement at the
    > same time.  Anyone else experience this?  I like the ride when
riding 2 up,
    > and I would hate to loose that.  I also don't want to have to ride
2 up just
    > to get a descent ride.  Any ideas out there?  (there's a loaded
question!)
    >
    > Thanks in Advance!
    >
    > Paul  (maybe he should just slow down... nah!)
    > Dallas, TX
    > A13 Flying Behemoth (Wobbling Behemoth this morning!)
    >
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    > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=3Dr650
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    > for info.



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:31:40 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cam chain and stops

Carlos Y. Gonz=E1lez wrote:
[...]
> 31,000km is about 18,000 miles isn't it?  I would say that the cam chai=
n is
> good for quite a while longer than that, in my humble opinion anyway.

I'd agree, for average usage anyway. If you rode like me (hassling
sportbikes in the twisties etc) then at 31,000km might be due.

> A
> surefire way is to measure the cam chain for stretch, or to see if the =
cams
> can still be timed properly.  Does anyone know if the service manual ha=
s a
> spec for stretch on the chain.  I would check, but my service manual is=
 20
> miles away at my parents house.

The 600 base manual has a 20 link length spec (page 3-3), service
limit is 128.9mm.  But really, how many of us would bother measuring
20 links of oily chain down to a tenth of a millimetre?

Mister_T


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:36:00 -0400
From: "LindaT" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Sargent's Seats

I have one on my CBR and I like it a lot.  There was no break in for the
Sergent where as the Corbin needed a 1k break in.  It's much smaller and
lighter than the Corbin as well.  I got it with the built in cargo hooks.

Fast service, too.

LindaT.
95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting)
86 KLR250 Klarabelle
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/

[e-mail] asked:
Anybody had any experience with Sargent's Seats, in particular seats built
with their "super atomic foam" (!)? This seems like a more economical choice
than Corbin.

Alan.


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:38:04 -0400
From: "LindaT" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Sargent's Seats

My Sergent was not built from my pan, but from theirs, like Corbin but
smaller and lighter.  I believe they still have the option of using your
seat, but it's not required.

LindaT.
95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting)
86 KLR250 Klarabelle
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/

Kurt Simpson said:
it's cheaper because they use your pan which means they can't get it as
wide as a Corbin. No one has bad things to say about Sargent's...just
know what you want when you call them because otherwise you get kind of
a Zen response...



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:13:44 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR500

CrazyDave wrote:
[KLR500]
> Bore  89.0x80.0
> Disp.  497 ml
> H/p   29.4 kw (40 ps) @7500 rpm
> torque  38.2 nm (28.2 ft lbs)@600 rpm

Thanks for that CrazyDave.
The 500 makes pretty decent power, more than I expected and at a lower
rev than I expected (I was thinking closer to 8000).
Here again we see a ~40ps output. This must be some kind of magic
number for stock KLRs.

Mister_T


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:22:34 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet

Stuart Mumford wrote:
[...]
> a few of you have street bikes. I want one that is quiet, light,
> comfortable, easy to change shields and of course stylin'. TIA.

I do ok with an AGV Quasar. This was the first AGV that fit my head
properly. Shoei fit well nicely, and now that the Quasar is getting
old I'm cosidering moving to a Shoei RF700 or RF800, either of which
fit me well.
Each year brings new helmets that claim to vent better, but most of
the sportier fullface helmets still won't keep you cool in summer.
Some comments from owners of RF800s suggest that in cool weather,
fogging can still occur with the visor shut.

Mister_T


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:22:56 -0400
From: "Blake, Paul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650)Wobble

Do you have the Progressive fork springs?  What weight fork oil are you
using?  Just wondering if that is part of the problem...

Paul


    Bogdan wrote:
        Many listers have attributed front end wobble to the high
front
    fender which is one of the reasons after market low fenders are a
popular
    upgrade. My bike with its Acerbis fender never wobbles and I run at
85-90mph
    a lot. It's also rock solid when occasionally I speed up to 100 (the
bike
    won't go any faster.) Bogdan



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:26:22 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE:KLR500

Chesley, Andrus wrote:
>
> Hmmmmmm  my Base manuel which I bought in '93 , to go with my '92 KLR ,
> Has an A-1  KLR 600 of '84 on it.  Blue cover with the  KLR600 picture
> on the front????.
> I can scan it and send it to you off list if so desire.

Hopefully no need, I think many of us have that one.
In Australia, all other big KLRs are covered by a supplement to the
base 600A1 manual.

Mister_T


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:06:34 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650)Wobble

> Do you have the Progressive fork springs?  What weight fork oil are you
> using?  Just wondering if that is part of the problem...
>
> Paul

I really don't think that the Progressives or a heavier wt. oil in the forks
would cause instability.  I would suggest that it is either a loose steering
head bearing, incorrect tire pressures, crosswinds, the high stock fender,
or some combination of these.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:13:39 -0400
From: "Blake, Paul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650)Wobble

You are probably right Jeff.  The tire pressure (cold) was 30psi.  As for
the steering head bearing, do you think it would be loose with only 2,200
miles of mainly street riding on the odometer?  I was attributing it to the
new springs and oil simply because that I hadn't experienced such a wobble
prior, but I also hadn't really ridden solo in these conditions either.  I
am leaning towards the stock fender and crosswinds/turbulence from vehicles
around me.  I'll get out this weekend on some rural roads and see how she
does.  I tried to get my wife to ride in with me this morning so I could
test the 2 up theory, because I've never experience the wobble while riding
2 up.  But alas, she has a big meeting today, and didn't want her hair
flattened by the helmet... oh well...

Thanks,

Paul

    -----Original Message-----
    From:    Jeff & Lisa Walker [SMTP:[e-mail]]
    Sent:    Friday, October 15, 1999 8:07 AM
    To:    Blake, Paul; 'Bogdan Swider'
    Cc:    [e-mail]
    Subject:    Re: (klr650)Wobble


    > Do you have the Progressive fork springs?  What weight fork oil
are you
    > using?  Just wondering if that is part of the problem...
    >
    > Paul

    I really don't think that the Progressives or a heavier wt. oil in
the forks
    would cause instability.  I would suggest that it is either a loose
steering
    head bearing, incorrect tire pressures, crosswinds, the high stock
fender,
    or some combination of these.

    Jeff

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