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klr650-digest        Friday, October 15 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1020



(klr650) Sargent's Seats
Re: (klr650) Sargent's Seats
(klr650) Panic stop
Re: (klr650) used KLR advice please...NKLR
(klr650) used KLR advice please...NKLR /oil level ?
Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet
Re: (klr650) How to panic stop...
Re: (klr650) KLR500
Re: (klr650) MOTARD, ANYONE?
Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet
RE: (klr650)Wobble
Re: (klr650) NKLR Land closure
(klr650) Cam chain and stops

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:49:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Sargent's Seats

Anybody had any experience with Sargent's Seats, in particular seats built
with their "super atomic foam" (!)? This seems like a more economical choice
than Corbin.

Alan.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:00:48 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Sargent's Seats

> Anybody had any experience with Sargent's Seats, in particular seats
built
> with their "super atomic foam" (!)? This seems like a more economical
choice
> than Corbin.
>
> Alan.

it's cheaper because they use your pan which means they can't get it as
wide as a Corbin. No one has bad things to say about Sargent's...just
know what you want when you call them because otherwise you get kind of
a Zen response...

Kurt


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:10:30 -0600
From: juan carlos ibarra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Panic stop

Don't panic, just stop.


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:27:48 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) used KLR advice please...NKLR

>Kurt writes:
>>funny how in the haste of answering a message we can say exactly the
>>opposite of what we mean. I'm sure my esteemed reclusive Mr. Cloudhidden
>>meant to say ALWAYS keep the oil 10 ounces above the sight glass. That
>>way you'll keep it right where it was after the oil change...right
>>Redondo...?
>
>
> That's right Kurt. Overfilling (against the factory spec), is exactly
> the opposite of what I meant to say. I have the utmost respect for
> Elden's klr insights, but after much meditation and contemplation,
> I still stand with the factory on this one. Use the oil sight glass
> or suffer Kurt's fate...
>
> CA Truk - Kurt's evil twin brother



  While not nearly so sinister, I personally agree with CA Truk. A very
wise, albeit evil man.

Skip


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:42:00 -0700
From: "e. rhoads" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) used KLR advice please...NKLR /oil level ?

> > I still stand with the factory on this one. Use the oil sight glass
> > or suffer Kurt's fate...
> >> > > >
>   While not nearly so sinister, I personally agree with CA Truk. A very
> wise, albeit evil man.>
> Skip
>
>
> =====  I prefer keeping my oil level within sight.  I wondered if higher
sump levels might mean higher internal loss from additional threshing of the
oil?

eric


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:43:07 -0700
From: "e. rhoads" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet

> I figure this list ( after adding up and figuring the age poll ) has a
total
> of about 8000 years of motorcycling experience.

===== yeah, I think most those years are mine...except for the motorcycling
experience part.

I need a street helmet. I want one that is quiet, light,
> comfortable, easy to change shields and of course stylin'. TIA.
>
> =====  it seems to me there's no one helmet that does it all, but many
come close enough. From what I've seen here, helmets are only one part of
the equasion.
   Rider height, position and windscreen height figure importantly too.  If
you're short and use the stock (KLR) windscreen you may find that air blasts
up at your neck area. You may then discover that even a rather expensive
Shoei fullface helmet can't deal with it...to the point of making highway
travel even with foam plugs (28db) unbearable.  So the helmet you choose is
only part of it.  I'd condition purchase on a test ride.

eric



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:23:33 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) How to panic stop...

> If your panicking, you're not thinking rationally.  You're not going to
> follow a 10-step program.  You're going to react instinctively, or better,
> you're going to react based on your training.  Jeff, just like the
military
> training, right?  Jumping into a swimming pool with all your gear on.
> Practice, practice, practice...
>
> Get your protective gear on, take your bike to a large section of parking
> lot, your back yard, your driveway, somewhere where there aren't any cars
> around

Yep, yep, like I said in my first post to the rookie rider, go find a
parking lot and practice.  Like when we'd practice clearing buildings and
doing close quarters combat, you go through a crawling phase, then a walking
phase, then a full out run phase, and practice the running phase until you
get it right.  Then, just when you think you got it right, throw something
different into the mix and react to that.  When I say "panic stop" I don't
mean that you are actually panicking, like one lister said, but that you are
reacting to a given condition that requires full out braking, like you have
bumper to bumper traffic in the lane next to you on the right, a barrier on
the left right beside the lane edge, and a delivery van in front of you
coming to a complete stop on the interstate with defective brake lights.
This happened to me.  I reacted slow due to the lack of brake lights.  I
then applied full brakes, and at the last possible instant was able to
counter steer off to the left in between the barrier and the van when a
small opening appeared.  I probably could have stopped in time if my front
brake hadn't faded, but I'm not sure if I would have been rear ended or not.
The driver of the van gave me a strange look when I stopped next to his
door.  I started shouting at him, but who knows if he heard me.

Lessons learned:  I replaced front and rear brake rotors, as neither was in
spec (I suspect that the previous owner had them turned, or used some really
gnarly metallic pads or something).  I also replaced the pads, and got a
steel braided brake line.  I didn't think that I was following too closely,
but apparently I was because I couldn't see beyond the van.  Also, I didn't
leave myself an out, and was extremely lucky when one appeared.  In this
case, the full on controlled braking, along with a quick countersteer
maneuver, saved my ass, and I was very glad that I had practiced this
repeatedly in parking lots, and still do.  I have been riding on the street
now for 14 years, and I haven't had a single collision yet, (knock on wood).
(Well, there was this time when I slid out going around the corner down the
block from my house when the water in the gutter and on the street had
frozen, but I don't count that one.)

Jeff


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:43:04 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR500

> Evidently, there was a KLR500 Tengai too, as shown in my service manual.
> After comparing the specs on the two bikes, my first thaught was "what's
> the point?". The KLR500 Tengai was offered concurrently with the 650, hast
> same frame, seat height, looks, features and weight as the 650, but with a
> smaller engine (same bore) and less power.

I have often wondered about this myself.....perhaps the 500 cc was for
markets limited by engine size restrictions, higher insurance rates for
motors over 500 cc, who knows?

Jeff


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:50:39 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) MOTARD, ANYONE?

> that will give you 16 inch wheels, Can youu say tuurn fast, If i ever find
me
> an old XL 500 or XL 600 oor a  KLR real cheap thats what i am going to do,

Stay away from the XL500.  The XL 600 had just WAY too many improvements
over it.  The 500 had dual shocks and limited suspension travel on the back
that makes for a really bumpy ride.  It was fun, but the 600, and the newer
XR650L are light years ahead.  I have fond memories of my old 500, but only
because it was the first street legal bike I owned.  When it came down to
either laying down cash for rebuilding the 500, or forking out even more
cash for a 600, I didn't hesitate, and shelled it out as quick as I could.
(The 500 sat in pieces in the shed and of the work bench for 5 years, until
I finally did rebuild it and sell it.)

Jeff


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:08:44 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet

> I figure this list ( after adding up and figuring the age poll ) has a
total
> of about 8000 years of motorcycling experience. May I tap this great pool
of
> wisdom. I need a street helmet. My Arai DS/r is great for the KLR ( read
> speeds of under 75 mph ), but on my other scoot, the wind noise is
> _deafening_. Can anyone recommend to me an outstanding street helmet? I
know
> a few of you have street bikes. I want one that is quiet, light,
> comfortable, easy to change shields and of course stylin'. TIA.
>

Offhand, I'd say buy the best Arai or Shoei that you can afford......The
mind is a terrible thing to waste.....

Jeff


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:24:17 -0700
From: "r. scott lamorte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650)Wobble

i had the wobble when i bought my 91 KLR a few weeks ago. started at 75,
and got worse up to 85, where it became life threatening.

i also noticed a very fait "click" feeling when i jammed the handlebars
forward and back, and this to me indicated loose steering head bolt. sure
enough, when i had the bike up for tire switch, i pulled the forks good and
hard, and they were hella loose.

tightened down the nut (loosened the fork bolts left and right first) and
bam! wobble almost all gone. i get a little butt wiggle as he settles down
to go-fast mode at 75, but it clears up totally at 80-85.

and by the way, this was on freeways both with and wiothout other cars,
with and without wind.

your milage may vary, your problem might be in another place.

scott


>    Many listers have attributed front end wobble to the high front
>fender which is one of the reasons after market low fenders are a popular
>upgrade. My bike with its Acerbis fender never wobbles and I run at 85-90mph
>a lot. It's also rock solid when occasionally I speed up to 100 (the bike
>won't go any faster.) Bogdan
>
>    My A13 is completely stock. Yes, I have experienced wobble while
>riding on
>    Interstate 95 in heavey traffic at 70-80 MPH. When this first
>happened to me I
>    guessed correctly that it was turbulence caused by the other
>vehicles all around
>    me so I sped up to get away from everyone and the wobble stopped. At
>least in my
>    case it was indeed caused by other vehicles all around me and in
>front of me. It
>    gets pretty nasty when two or more big rigs are on each side and one
>or two in
>    front.
>
>    -Brian Shepard
>     Philadelphia PA
>     A13
>
>
>    "Blake, Paul" wrote:
>
>    > Alright, I'm sure someone (probably several) on the list can
>answer, or
>    > offer advice on this:
>    >
>    > I installed the Progressive Fork Springs last week, cutting ╛ of
>an inch off
>    > the stock spacer, and using 15w fork oil.  I rode it some solo,
>and it
>    > definitely made for a firmer ride.  My wife and I then did about
>250 miles
>    > two-up over the weekend, mostly highway, cruising 75 & 80 mph
>indicated for
>    > a majority of the time.  The ride was perfect with the two of us,
>with the
>    > exception of the rear end numbing buzz (unrelated) at those
>speeds.  This
>    > morning, I decided to ride the bike into work.  So, I'm zipping
>along the
>    > tollway, with traffic, at 75 and 80 mph, and I am getting an
>inconsistent
>    > wobble in the front end.  Nothing scary really, and but a bit
>disconcerting
>    > at that speed.  It would stop if I slowed, and/or loosened my grip
>on the
>    > bars.  There was quite a bit of traffic around, and I am wondering
>if it may
>    > have simply been the turbulence from the surrounding vehicles.
>Obviously,
>    > slowing would take me out of their turbulence, and loosening my
>grip would
>    > somewhat change the air flow around me due to a slight body
>movement at the
>    > same time.  Anyone else experience this?  I like the ride when
>riding 2 up,
>    > and I would hate to loose that.  I also don't want to have to ride
>2 up just
>    > to get a descent ride.  Any ideas out there?  (there's a loaded
>question!)
>    >
>    > Thanks in Advance!
>    >
>    > Paul  (maybe he should just slow down... nah!)
>    > Dallas, TX
>    > A13 Flying Behemoth (Wobbling Behemoth this morning!)
>    >
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:06:44 -0700
From: "todd teicheira" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Land closure

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Conall O'Brien <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:43 PM
Subject: (klr650) Land closure


> Here is a link to a story about Clinton's proposed land closures.
> Interesting note: Nationwide, national forests are crisscrossed with
> 373,000 miles of dirt roads, a network eight times larger than the
> interstate highway system.
>
> http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/nation/docs/forests14.htm
>
> Conall
> KLR650 (x2)
>
just as interesting is Sen. Bennett's comments.  while he may have a point
that fire management techniques have to be modified for long term forest
health, the suggestion that mechanization would improve water quality is a
stretch.  also interesting is the relative quiet with which the nation seems
to have taken the news.  BTW July National Geographic has a story on the
Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument.

todd
A9 unsealed
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:43:34 +0200
From: "Per Bursell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Cam chain and stops

Hello!!

How often should i replace the camchain on my 91 tengai??
It has done 31000km and my question is: Is it time to replace??

An another question: When i=B4m riding around then sometimes
when i let go of the throttle it suddenly dies. It doesent matter if the
bike is cold or warm. Could it be that the carburator is leaking..

/ Per B
Sweden

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