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klr650-digest         Tuesday, August 25 1998         Volume 01 : Number 196




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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:02:17 -0400
From: "Rick Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Another Kaw POS problem

>   I liked one idea I saw here where the guy installed a garden-equipment
> type filter.  These are relatively free-flowing, compact, and you can view
> the inside.  Just the thing
> to catch Kurt's bit of "junk" and the occasional ants' head.

Like I said before, very little can get past the tank sieve. It's
still a good idea to put in a fuel filter, although a small one is
ample.

More important for keeping out antheads and crap is to cover all
openings when disassembling and doing r&r on a bike. When I lived in
FL, the dirt dauber wasps would, within a few hours, fill any round
hole with dead spiders and dirt. They would crawl as far in as
possible so if you interrupted their work before they were finished,
there'd be no external evidence. Oil lines, gas lines, open carbs,
_everything_ was fair game. Do yourself a favor and seal off your
work before leaving it unattended, and of course, YEMV. (Your
Environment May Vary).

- -Rick

R.P.Clarke ([e-mail])
"What traffic?"
RTP, NC, USA    DoD#5811

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:43:07 -0400
From: "Rick Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Nitrogen

> Actually, nitrogen isn't inert, but it is much less reactive than oxygen.
> Also, like all gases, it expands pretty much linearly with temp. Sorry to be
> such a fussbudget, but like the scorpion said, "It's my nature"<g>.

If you're going to be picky, most gases don't expand linearly with
temperature, eg. CO2, H2O, freon, gasoline vapor, etc. Your right
that N2 expands pretty much linearly with temp. :-)

- -Rick


R.P.Clarke ([e-mail])
"What traffic?"
RTP, NC, USA    DoD#5811

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:52:28 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen

Uh, Fred, where did you get the idea that a given volume of nitrogen gas does
not expand (or increase in pressure if  in a fixed volume) when heated? Unless
all my chemistry is wrong, nitrogen conforms to Boyles Law involving the
classic relationships of pressure, volume, and temperature.

The Evil Wizard

 snip:

Fred Hink wrote:

> -----Original
>
> Nitrogen is an inert gas that among other things does not expand with heat.
> It is used in shocks to act like a spring.  The nitrogen is usually held in
> a bladder seperately from the oil under high pressure.

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:33:19 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeffrey P Moorbeck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) seats

I will be upgrading the seat on my '89 KLR as I will be taking a long road
trip in October. Right now with the stocker my butt is burning after about
an hour so I need to upgrade. I've read the seat evaluation and am leaning
toward the Saddleman/Travelcade kit. But I'm a little hesitant as it is
pricey (hey, I'm cheap, what can I say) and I'd hate to shell out the
bucks and find it hasn't helped as I thought it would. So, those that have
gone with the Saddleman has it worked for you?
The other options I'm considering is a simple sheepskin, though I've
called several places in town (Tucson, AZ) and no one knows how or where
to get the pelts. Or the gel pack is another possiblity. I've decided
against the Corbin as I've seen too many people having customer service
problems with them and I don't think I'll have enough time to break it in
before my trip. Any and all info will be appreciated.
Jeff Moorbeck

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:06:03 +0800
From: Linus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) used KLRs

At 11:45 PM 23-08-98 -0700, you wrote:
>At 07:22 PM 8/23/98 EDT, Douglas J Bouley wrote:
>>Folks,
>>
>>How much difference is there between the early KLRs and the current ones,
>>I wonder?
>>
>>For instance, I saw a low-mileage 88 or 89 for 1200 bucks not long ago.
>>Seemed like a pretty decent deal, if there are no special caveats re
>>older KLRs...
>
>
>    '96+ bikes have improved clutch assemblys, more flywheel mass,
>slightly firmer seats and have no kickstart retrofit available. Oh,
>and conservative blue paint schemes. Othersies they are essentialy
>identical.
>
>
>-Tom
>'96 KLR 650
>
>
>
Not forgeting that KLR`s below 92 do not come with the automatic chain
balancer mechanism,meaning you gotta adjust them every 3000kms.
Failing so ,you might snap the balancer chain and end up in a nightmare!
Happend to me!

Linus
KLR 90
M`sia.

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:36:20 -0700
From: "Eric Rhoads" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) aluminum sprocket?

List,

        I'm wondering if the weight savings of using an aluminum rear
sprocket outweigh whatever disadvantages there might be.    Like, is wear a
significant factor, etc.?
        I like the idea of cutting weight if it's reasonably worthwhile.

thanks,
ericR

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:42:54 -0700
From: BRBO <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lit'l help,,,,  <Re: (klr650) Bike Reliability>

Thanks for the info from everyone, (Mr.T - FZR600)
Kurt I am going to try some of your suggestions,,, which should hopefully help
some..

One more question out to the listers,,

    Being that this is my 1st bike, I was intimidated by the size
(height/eng.) and was considering the 250cc (thank god I never made that
mistake), but now I am somewhat disappointed with what I actually did buy. In
the dirt there is more than enough power I will never use (being I can't keep
the back tire from breaking loose over 4k rpm), but my comment/question is
that I feel on the road it just doesn't have the power that it should for a
650cc <local tech said it is normal>(which I feel is poor for being my 1st
experience on 2 wheels). I guess that being I have taken the punt on buying
new, I want the cheapest route for the best bang for my buck for better
performance-any opinions..remember cheap...

        K&N Filter (alone) :         _______bhp        $_______Can.
        Exh.(type)              :          _______bhp        $_______Can.
        Carb.Kit                :          _______bhp        $_______Can.

P.S. anyone have a link to a tread picture of the Avon AM24 Gripsters, and the
Pirelli MT70 ??

Thanks,
Brian.

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:18:55 -0700
From: BRBO <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 2 up?

Mr.T, you mentioned the KLE 500 twin, are you fimiliar??(not available here in Canada)
If so, you say bigger (size or load capacity?) than the KLR650, being less of a cc but a
twin what is it in comparison to the KLR650 for power/performance. I am curious ever
since I seen a picture of a new one about 2 months ago, they look like a really nice DP
but you don't here much about them.. I haven't any ways..

thanks,
Brian.


Ted Palmer wrote:

> I could suggest a bike a bit bigger, like a KLE500 or Honda XLV750,
> for the job, but I'm not sure about their availability over there.
> The extra power of a twin would make a noticable difference two up.
>
> Mister_T
> --
>    \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\
>    |   RC17   KLR600    Roces BCN    FreeBSD 2.2.5-R    NT4W (ugh)   |
>    |           tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au            |
>   \|_________________________________________________________________|

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:05:34 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen

[e-mail] wrote:

> Uh, Fred, where did you get the idea that a given volume of nitrogen gas does
> not expand (or increase in pressure if  in a fixed volume) when heated? Unless
> all my chemistry is wrong, nitrogen conforms to Boyles Law involving the
> classic relationships of pressure, volume, and temperature.

I think Fred meant that nitrogen expands less than the atmospheric
mix.

Boyles Law is nice, but it works best with "ideal" gasses, which are
hard to find.
Nitrogen is probably less non-ideal than atmoshpere, and as supplied
commercially would be drier and cleaner than atmosphere.
I guess nitrogen may also be less chemically reactive under the
conditions of the shocker internals than other gasses (relative to
cost, which is what it all Boyles down to, ahem).

Mister_T

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:19:33 +0800
From: Linus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen

At 07:05 PM 25-08-98 +1000, you wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:



Could anyone tell me what`s the correct nitrogen pressure to be pumped into
a KLR650
rear shock?Since air is almost 80% nirogen is it advisable to use
a gas station air pump to do this?
Thanks
Linus

>
>> Uh, Fred, where did you get the idea that a given volume of nitrogen gas
does
>> not expand (or increase in pressure if  in a fixed volume) when heated?
Unless
>> all my chemistry is wrong, nitrogen conforms to Boyles Law involving the
>> classic relationships of pressure, volume, and temperature.
>
>I think Fred meant that nitrogen expands less than the atmospheric
>mix.
>
>Boyles Law is nice, but it works best with "ideal" gasses, which are
>hard to find.
>Nitrogen is probably less non-ideal than atmoshpere, and as supplied
>commercially would be drier and cleaner than atmosphere.
>I guess nitrogen may also be less chemically reactive under the
>conditions of the shocker internals than other gasses (relative to
>cost, which is what it all Boyles down to, ahem).
>
>Mister_T
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:18:13 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lit'l help,,,,  <Re: (klr650) Bike Reliability>

BRBO wrote:

[...]
> the dirt there is more than enough power I will never use (being I can't keep
> the back tire from breaking loose over 4k rpm), but my comment/question is
> that I feel on the road it just doesn't have the power that it should for a
> 650cc <local tech said it is normal>(which I feel is poor for being my

The whole bike is a compromise, which is why a lot of use ride them.
A 650 singles go, the power is up there. Compared to a 650 multi, it's
way down, and we live with that.
The newer KLRs are stifled a bit more than the older ones to comply
with noise and emission regs.
It doesn't take a huge amount of work to liberate more response and
power.

Mister_T

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:05:42 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen

Linus wrote:

> Could anyone tell me what`s the correct nitrogen pressure to be pumped into
> a KLR650

My 600 base manual doesn't even tell me that.

> rear shock?Since air is almost 80% nirogen is it advisable to use
> a gas station air pump to do this?

I wouldn't use a station pump for this. The output pressure is not
dependable and the air may be dirty, oily and/or damp, none of which
the shocker would appreciate and tyres never notice.
It is possible that the shock runs higher pressure than some station
pump is capable of putting out, so you could end up losing more shock
pressure into the hose.

Mister_T

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:28:20 -0500
From: Steve Harmon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Dropping RPM?

What would be the recommended size of the front sprocket so as to reduce
my RPM on the highway? Also would this involve a chain swap?

Thanks for any opinions,
Steve Harmon
'96 KLR

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:28:59 -0400
From: "Darren Koepp" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) 2 up?

- -----Original Message-----
From:    [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Douglas J
Bouley
Sent:    Sunday, August 23, 1998 3:16 PM
To:    [e-mail]
Subject:    (klr650) 2 up?

I did love to do fire roads in the mountains back home in California.

I see you live in the DC area.  I am just south of you about an hour or so.
There are quite a few fire roads in this area as well as the Skyline Drive.
Let me know if you guys are down this way.

how is the KLR 2-up?

My wife and I spend most weekends on our KLR.  We have the Kawasaki made
saddlebags, trunk and tank bags.  I have found that for her comfort I need
to take the trunk bag off but the saddle bags can stay on.  She does
complain about the seat.  A Corbin seat will be on order soon.

Darren / 98 KLR 650 "Mr. Freeze" / Central Virginia

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:39:33 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
To: klr650 <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen


>I think Fred meant that nitrogen expands less than the atmospheric
>mix.

Thanx Ted for expanding on my original answer.  Couldn't (didn't) have said
it better myself.  :<)

>
>Boyles Law is nice, but it works best with "ideal" gasses, which are
>hard to find.
>Nitrogen is probably less non-ideal than atmoshpere, and as supplied
>commercially would be drier and cleaner than atmosphere.

I was told that it is the moisture that does the expanding that causes the
problems.

>I guess nitrogen may also be less chemically reactive under the
>conditions of the shocker internals than other gasses (relative to
>cost, which is what it all Boyles down to, ahem).

Your mother raised no dummies! ;-)

Fred

>
>Mister_T
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:28:50 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: fuel debris...

>   I liked one idea I saw here where the guy installed a garden-equipment
> type filter.  These are relatively free-flowing, compact, and you can view
> the inside.  Just the thing
> to catch Kurt's bit of "junk" and the occasional ants' head.

Like I said before, very little can get past the tank sieve. It's
still a good idea to put in a fuel filter, although a small one is
ample.
_____________

I agree, in my case the junk could have been in there from the factory, or, more
likely, debris from when I put in the jet kit....

Kurt A12

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:37:15 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR ...The Right Stuff

>>I think Fred meant that nitrogen expands less than the atmospheric
>>mix.
>
>Thanx Ted for expanding on my original answer.  Couldn't (didn't) have said
>it better myself.  :<)



This reminds me of the line in "The Right Stuff" where the guy tries to help Gus
Grissom out, "I  think what Gus is trying to say..." (;-)

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:56:02 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dropping RPM?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Harmon <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 7:28 AM
Subject: (klr650) Dropping RPM?


>What would be the recommended size of the front sprocket so as to reduce
>my RPM on the highway? Also would this involve a chain swap?
>
>Thanks for any opinions,
>Steve Harmon
>'96 KLR


The tallest you can fit is a 16T front. Here is some data for you (thanks to
lister Pat Hensley's excellent GearCalc Program):
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Stock: 15X43 (measured tire circumference 76.5 inches):

Primary Reduction ratio= 2.27273

1st  = 2.2667
2nd  = 1.52941
3rd  = 1.18182
4th = 0.95455
5th = 0.79167

4200 RPM computes to 59.9 MPH
80 MPH computes to 5696 RPM
___________________________

My setup with Taller gearing 16 X 43 (same circumference 76.5 inches):

Final Reduction ratio= 2.6875

4200 RPM computes to 62.9
80 MPH computes to 5340
______________________________

Jake Jakeman's setup even Taller gearing 15 X 39:

Final reduction ratio = 2.600000

4200 RPM computes to 65.0
80 MPH computes to 5166 RPM

Kurt A12

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:52:25 -0400
From: "Darren Koepp" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Corbin contact?

- -----Original Message-----
From:    [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Marick Payton
Sent:    Monday, August 24, 1998 5:59 PM
To:    [e-mail]
Subject:    (klr650) Corbin contact?

Forgive me for asking again, but what was the name of the Corbin
contact?  I want to try and talk them into redoing my KLX seat.

thanks,
Marick


www.corbin.com

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