The solder is fine as below the surfs of the oil it is the area above you
have to watch
you can boil water in a paper cup setting right in the fire. Just keep your
under the pot and not let get up on the sides and it is always good to keep
the joint away from the fire. The top will burn down to the water line and
will burn down as the water evaporates. You can take a light pan of water at
a full boil right off the heat, put your hand on the under side and not get
burnt as long as the water is still boiling. The process of boiling and
turning to steam actually lowers the heat. This is why a pressure cooker is
used to cook things faster at a higher temperature especially in the
Mountains. The boiling temp of water goes down about two degrees for every
1000 feet of elevation gain.
Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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<BR>you can boil water in a paper cup setting right in the fire. Just keep your under the pot and not let get up on the sides and it is always good to keep the joint away from the fire. The top will burn down to the water line and will burn down as the water evaporates. You can take a light pan of water at a full boil right off the heat, put your hand on the under side and not get burnt as long as the water is still boiling. The process of boiling and turning to steam actually lowers the heat. This is why a pressure cooker is used to cook things faster at a higher temperature especially in the Mountains. The boiling temp of water goes down about two degrees for every 1000 feet of elevation gain.
<BR>Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:44:21 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Horse Packing
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Wynn and Clay
I went out with my brother in-law to help pack out his camp and two Elk this
fall and he had a pack saddle that was single rigged center fire and was
using only a crupper with it. I'm like you Clay it has me flat puzzled how
they made that work for them. It worked fine on the flat and going down hill
but going up hill? what a mess If ya tried tighten it up so it wouldn't slide
back ya cut the critters wind plum off. So ya loosen it up and the Saddle
slides back the chinch slides back to the groin area and the Rodeo was on. We
had Elk and pack saddle peace's scattered all over the side of that mountain.
Need less to say we used my rig to finish packing out with. The Brother
in-laws is going to change the rigging on his saddle and add a breast caller
to it.
As for the Saddle bags the ones Larpenteur describes are very similar to a
type used buy some of the Indian tribes of Rockies. Only there's were made of
brain tan leather. So when we made Jill's saddle bags we combined both kinds.
We made them out of brain tan for the durability and lined them with muslin
so they would not stretch out of shape. They made some fine bags that have
served her well and are big enough that you can pack a lot of stuff in them.
I think this would be a type that would be very easy fore a trapper to come
by here in the Rockies.
That's my two cents.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot
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<BR>I went out with my brother in-law to help pack out his camp and two Elk this fall and he had a pack saddle that was single rigged center fire and was using only a crupper with it. I'm like you Clay it has me flat puzzled how they made that work for them. It worked fine on the flat and going down hill but going up hill? what a mess If ya tried tighten it up so it wouldn't slide back ya cut the critters wind plum off. So ya loosen it up and the Saddle slides back the chinch slides back to the groin area and the Rodeo was on. We had Elk and pack saddle peace's scattered all over the side of that mountain. Need less to say we used my rig to finish packing out with. The Brother in-laws is going to change the rigging on his saddle and add a breast caller to it.
<BR>
<BR>As for the Saddle bags the ones Larpenteur describes are very similar to a type used buy some of the Indian tribes of Rockies. Only there's were made of brain tan leather. So when we made Jill's saddle bags we combined both kinds. We made them out of brain tan for the durability and lined them with muslin so they would not stretch out of shape. They made some fine bags that have served her well and are big enough that you can pack a lot of stuff in them. I think this would be a type that would be very easy fore a trapper to come by here in the Rockies.
<BR>That's my two cents.
<BR>See ya on the trail
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:04:00 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Horse Packing
Clay,
Yep, good times there. Heard from Rex Norman that he
is moving- to the Tahoe Area. Bill Gwaltney is here in Denver
now. I see the various men from time to time. Thanks for
the comments of sadlle bags. It is something which I wonder
about when climbing on a horse or parring down the items I take
when doing a horse trip. The Denver Art Museum lately has had some
good pictures up on the seventh floor. Yesterday I saw soem nice Catlins,
Bodmers and a Miller or two while visting it. Something which you might
find interesting- the State Historical Society's research library will be
closing down for almost a year while redoing it. Information will be availible-
just not what we are used to. It is always nice to just walk in and tell them
what we need.
Hope the new home is a good one for you and Jamie. If I remember right,
she does a fine bit of drawing? Maybe when we see each other again, we can sit
down and talk.
mike.
"Clay J. Landry" wrote:
> Mike
> Good to visit with you-we sure had some fine doings over the years at old
> Fort Laramie-Jamie and I are very happy and finally getting settle in our
> new home on the Powder river.
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:16:38 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: old time problems
List members,
Thought I take time to show you a very bad problem which
plagued the whites who came to the southwest during the
holidays. I know of no cure for it, but if you ever experience
it, let me know.
Monday 19th,
Kept a Religious and Political festival- the People all very merry and
Noisy. Bonfires & c. &c.
George Sibley, p. 134.
Wednesday 21st.
The Priest gave a Fandango, to which I staid till 12.
George Sibley, p. 134.
Saturday 24
Fandango all night- the People danced and Prayed all night.
George Sibley, p. 134.
Wednesday 28.
Fandango at M[anuel } SenaÆs. George
Sibley, p. 135.
Thursday 29.
Fandango at GovÆr NarbonaÆs. fine day. The measles getting common here.
George Sibley, p. 135.
Friday 30 Decr.
Fine day. Nothing occurred worth notice. George
Sibley, p. 135.
Saturday 31 Decr.
Another Fandango at Governor NarbonaÆs- there is to be another Tomorrow
night, & another Monday Night. All these Balls are intended to do honor
to the event mentioned Tuesday.
George Sibley, p. 135.
Having been danced under the table by some elderly couples at the last
one I
attended, these days of partying must of been a real strain on poor Mr.
Sibley.
mike.
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:28:34 -0700
From: "BARRY CONNER" <conner_one@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth-treated canvas
I was about to answer you Gene, and John came in and saved me the writing,
for more information on Lewis & Clark see John's book; "Lewis & Clark and
the Image of the American Northwest" - Dover 0-486-26914-0, this is an
excellent book with 47 maps by our hist_list member and friend John L.
Allen.
John never mentions his writing ability so I will, tell the spouse that's
what you want for a stocking stuffer.
Take care,
Buck Conner
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson 1771
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From: "John L. Allen" <jlallen@wyoming.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth-treated canvas
> Gene,
>
> The list of articles from the Jackson Letters, vol. 1, p. 71-72, shows:
"20
> yds. Oil linnnen for wrapping & securing Articles [,] 10 yds do.do of
> thicker quality for covering and lining boxes, &c [,] 40 Yds Do. Do. To
form
> two half faced Tents or Shelters contrived in such manner their parts may
be
> taken to pieces & again connected at pleasure in order to answer the
several
> purposes of Tents, covering to Boat or Canoe, or if necessary to be used
as
> sails. The pieces when unconnected will be 5 feet in Width and rather more
> than 14 feet in length" and "15 Oil Cloth Bags for securing provision".
> Where Steve came up with the "each eight by twelve feet" is anybody's
