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hist_text-digest      Thursday, December 6 2001      Volume 01 : Number 898



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:pigments
-áááááá MtMan-List: Bridger Book list from Lanney
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:pigments
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:pigments
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: back to walnut hulls
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fw: [scalpdance] Fw: We need your help we have been robbed
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:pigments
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fw: [scalpdance] Fw: We need your help we have been robbed
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: back to walnut hulls
-áááááá MtMan-List: deer hides...a little off topic
-áááááá MtMan-List: Brass parts?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass parts?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Snowshoe treatment
-áááááá MtMan-List: Killing a buffalo.......

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:15:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:pigments

- --- Monte Holder <[e-mail]> wrote:
>.  What I'd like to know is where
> you all get the red or yellow
> iron oxide pigments.
>
>

The Iron Oxide Pigments can be purchased at a hardware
store .  Look for concrete or grout colorant.  It
comes in a box and is pure iron oxide for reds yellows
browns and black.  You could also get blue or green,
but it probably contains other metal oxides, and I
don't think those colors would have been cheap enough
to us on a large scale in the past.

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:02:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bridger Book list from Lanney

Hi Lanney!  I tried to reply to your letter about the
Book List, but got a message that no such address
(amm1585)exists.  All I received from you was a
garbled mess, no list.  At 40K, it must be a pretty
comprehensive list, and I look forward to seeing it.
There is a bit of snow on the ground up here in
Extreme North Texas (Wyoming to the Flatlanders) so it
would be a good time to catch up on some reading.  It
appears to be a looong winter coming.
   I thought your offer to fetch some que for Laura
was a wonderful gesture, she must be a very special
lady!  Now if only someone could come up with a plan
to get some of our National Beer of Texas up here to
Extreme North Texas, Life would be wonderful.  Seems
as though the rest of the Republic has forgotten us!
   Please resend the Book List if possible, I know
there are a lot of books I haven't read on our
subject. Thanks, DOG, Hiv.#617

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:18:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Mitch Post <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes

- --- darlene secondine <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>   I'm trying to upgrade my capote.
  ....Good idea-far to many late1800/early1900 capotes
being worn at events

> Anybody out there have any primary sources on the
> correct cut for a fur
> trade era capote. Or is there an original in a
> collection somewhere that I
> can look at so I can see how they were cut in the
> period in question.
 .....To my knowledge, there are no existing early
capotes.
  A more tailored look is what you are after. I use a
pattern from....can't remember<grin>..but it's call
the "old tailor pattern"?? It has about 6-8 variations
in the package. Not sure if this is "totally" correct,
but seems to be far more acceptable than the
fringed,box-cut,blanket-stitched styles seen.
 We had this a discussion on this sometime last year.
You might do an archive search for more info.
       Respectfully, Mitch Post/Red Dog Trading Co.
                       in SW Arkansas


> Thanks ahead,
> Don in the Ohio Country
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:34:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:pigments

In a message dated 12/5/01 10:16:45 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< The Iron Oxide Pigments can be purchased at a hardware
store >>

You might also want to look for an artist/potter supply store. I got the red
iron oxide in Helena, and the yellow in Tacoma...long story...<G>

Magpie

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:33:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:pigments

Monte,

The easiest place to get the pigments is from an artist or pottery supply.
Occassionally some paint stores can/or will get it for you. Magpie and I got
some from the Archie Bray Pottery supply here in Helena, Montana. They had
several grades and colors to choose from.

Bead Shooter

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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:43:09 +0000
From: "darlene secondine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes

Thanks Mitch,
I've browsed through the archives of 2000 and ain't found the topic yet but
will keep looking. Is there a search engine for the archives that I don't
know how to utilize yet? Also, lookin' at Miller paintings and other period
artists trying to figure out what's really the common cut for pre-1840
capotes.If you happen upon that 6 pattern set your talking about, it sounds
like it would be worth looking at. Thanks for the tip. The Mountain Man
Sketchbook has a Hudson Bay Capote with pleats like frock coats of the
period, I wonder how common that cut was on the Upper Missouri?
Your friend,
Don




>From: Mitch Post <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes
>Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:18:21 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>--- darlene secondine <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>
> >   I'm trying to upgrade my capote.
>   ....Good idea-far to many late1800/early1900 capotes
>being worn at events
>
> > Anybody out there have any primary sources on the
> > correct cut for a fur
> > trade era capote. Or is there an original in a
> > collection somewhere that I
> > can look at so I can see how they were cut in the
> > period in question.
>  .....To my knowledge, there are no existing early
>capotes.
>   A more tailored look is what you are after. I use a
>pattern from....can't remember<grin>..but it's call
>the "old tailor pattern"?? It has about 6-8 variations
>in the package. Not sure if this is "totally" correct,
>but seems to be far more acceptable than the
>fringed,box-cut,blanket-stitched styles seen.
>  We had this a discussion on this sometime last year.
>You might do an archive search for more info.
>        Respectfully, Mitch Post/Red Dog Trading Co.
>                        in SW Arkansas
>
>
> > Thanks ahead,
> > Don in the Ohio Country
> >
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:54:38 -0500
From: "Tim Jewell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blanket Capotes

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "darlene secondine" <[e-mail]>

> (snip)...Is there a search engine for the archives that I don't
> know how to utilize yet?...(snip)

Hi Don,

If you use the MSN Websearch it will return a lot of past messages from this
list.  What may be a down side is that it will also give you all the regular
web search results with it.  Not perfect but it works to some extent.

YMHS,
Tim


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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:29:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Clint Garrett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: back to walnut hulls

thanks capt. for the correction about baker's video
using a walnut dyed cloth covered by linseed oil and
the ochre.

i did some digging on google and found some
interesting data for those interested in the wax
possibility.

check:

http://www.triplemoon.com/wickswax.html

to condense this, there was as some have stated a
bayberry wax; expensive.

beeswax was also for the rich.

whales and the tallow in butchering were also used
extensively by the common colonials.

waxed candles were manufactured as early as 1825, and
another method revolutionized the industry in 1831.

this text is lengthy but worth reading.


ALSO; and this is speaculation with high probability,
grease and mixtures of one of the waxes could have
been used.

like a lot of common things we do, for them it may
have not been nessasary to write about it.

for example the caped hunting shirt has few patterns
in existence except in canvas by TOWNSEND[?} company
in canada's east, or pictures by early artists.

or, let's use 'FIREARMS, TOOLS, AND TRAPS OF THE
MOUNTAIN MEN'; the writeR talked about the weight of
the trap drowning the beaver.  with the methods known,
and many ineffient; there would have been a lot of
wring outs and pull outs by hefty adult beaver(50 lbs.
and up).  SOME BODY WAS EVIDENTLY YARNING HIM.  most
beaver trappers know it takes a lot to keep a fighting
beaver under to drown for 20 minutes.  i use this as
an example, not everything is written, or copied
correctly.

i will do extensive research on this wax or tallow
method of waterproffing in the immediate future.

thanks for your wealth of knowledge and your time.



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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:45:55 -0500
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: [scalpdance] Fw: We need your help we have been robbed

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
To: "discussion" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: [scalpdance] Fw: We need your help we have been robbed

Sisters and brothers

 I just recieved this shocking message. Am going to ask for assistance with
this matter. If all would keep their ears and eyes open I`m sure my friends
would appreciate the help. This occured in Reiley Ohio, Oxford Ohio area,
Miami university area, Hamilton Ohio, Cincinnati Ohio, this is all southwest
Ohio. They are a border town with Indiana.

 Their were quite a few custom made pieces. All were above average guns.
Several smooth bores, along with rifled guns.

 If anyone hears anything please contact the Butler county sheriff office in
Ohio.

 It would be nice if some of you would forward to other lists.

 Dennis, this is Mike and Kathy


Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:45 AM
Subject: We need your help we have been robbed


 John,
 Please keep an ear open for any one selling alot of muzzel loaders. Someone
busted our front door open and took all of our guns but 2. Im just sick. I
know you can get the word out I have emailed Mike too. I cant sleep, I feel
safe anymore. Will tell you the rest later.
Love Ya
Kat and Mike

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kathy L Geisler <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:19 PM
Subject: Description of stolen guns


John,
It is hard to take, we keep going to the gun cabnets and seeing broken glass
and no guns. They have striped us of a part of our lives that alot of people
dont understand. That is why I ask you for help and I want to THANK the
people that are helping us. I cant express how thankful we are for all the
mountain men we call our friends. My heart is just SICK!!!!!!!

 Here are the guns that are missing not all of them are Pre 1840.
 Marlin 22 octagon barrel lever action
 Marlin 22 bolt action
 22 mag. bolt action with a gold trigger
 16ga. shot gun
 Pensylvania rifle 50 cal. John this one was the 1st one Mike ever had
 Hand made Trade gun 62 cal dark walnut, late lancaster style (1st one mike
and Dave built together)
 CVA Hawken 50 cal. John this was the 1st one I ever had
 Thompson center fire Cherokee 45 cal. it has an  exchangble barrel ( they
 didnt take the 32 cal barrel)
 Ky Long rifle 32 cal this one has brass studs all over it. It would stand
 out
 Thats it. Its enough isnt it?
 I want to thank you all again for coming to our aid.
 My email address is [e-mail].
 Our camp names are Rusty Trap and Two Feathers
 I still have that lost feeling. And I dont feel safe in my own house. Thats
the bad part. The only good thing about this is they didnt hurt our dog and
people like all of you that are willing to help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Thank You With All Of Our Heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Mike and Kat



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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:03:16 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:pigments

Gene,
Good to have you on board.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:pigments
>Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 4:33 PM
>

>Monte,
>
>The easiest place to get the pigments is from an artist or pottery supply.
>Occassionally some paint stores can/or will get it for you. Magpie and I got
>some from the Archie Bray Pottery supply here in Helena, Montana. They had
>several grades and colors to choose from.
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:18:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: [scalpdance] Fw: We need your help we have been robbed

Howdy!  Though it is highly unlikely that the guns
will appear this far west( I would keep a sharp eye
out at the spring shoot in Friendship) a description
or list of the guns would be helpful.  Can't keep an
eye out if we don't know what to look for.  Hope your
friends get their stuff back, Dog, Hiv.#617
- --- Possum Hunter <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
> To: "discussion" <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:35 AM
> Subject: [scalpdance] Fw: We need your help we have
> been robbed
>
> Sisters and brothers
>
>  I just recieved this shocking message. Am going to
> ask for assistance with
> this matter. If all would keep their ears and eyes
> open I`m sure my friends
> would appreciate the help. This occured in Reiley
> Ohio, Oxford Ohio area,
> Miami university area, Hamilton Ohio, Cincinnati
> Ohio, this is all southwest
> Ohio. They are a border town with Indiana.
>
>  Their were quite a few custom made pieces. All were
> above average guns.
> Several smooth bores, along with rifled guns.
>
>  If anyone hears anything please contact the Butler
> county sheriff office in
> Ohio.
>
>  It would be nice if some of you would forward to
> other lists.
>
>  Dennis, this is Mike and Kathy
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:45 AM
> Subject: We need your help we have been robbed
>
>
>  John,
>  Please keep an ear open for any one selling alot of
> muzzel loaders. Someone
> busted our front door open and took all of our guns
> but 2. Im just sick. I
> know you can get the word out I have emailed Mike
> too. I cant sleep, I feel
> safe anymore. Will tell you the rest later.
> Love Ya
> Kat and Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kathy L Geisler <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:19 PM
> Subject: Description of stolen guns
>
>
> John,
> It is hard to take, we keep going to the gun cabnets
> and seeing broken glass
> and no guns. They have striped us of a part of our
> lives that alot of people
> dont understand. That is why I ask you for help and
> I want to THANK the
> people that are helping us. I cant express how
> thankful we are for all the
> mountain men we call our friends. My heart is just
> SICK!!!!!!!
>
>  Here are the guns that are missing not all of them
> are Pre 1840.
>  Marlin 22 octagon barrel lever action
>  Marlin 22 bolt action
>  22 mag. bolt action with a gold trigger
>  16ga. shot gun
>  Pensylvania rifle 50 cal. John this one was the 1st
> one Mike ever had
>  Hand made Trade gun 62 cal dark walnut, late
> lancaster style (1st one mike
> and Dave built together)
>  CVA Hawken 50 cal. John this was the 1st one I ever
> had
>  Thompson center fire Cherokee 45 cal. it has an
> exchangble barrel ( they
>  didnt take the 32 cal barrel)
>  Ky Long rifle 32 cal this one has brass studs all
> over it. It would stand
>  out
>  Thats it. Its enough isnt it?
>  I want to thank you all again for coming to our
> aid.
>  My email address is [e-mail].
>  Our camp names are Rusty Trap and Two Feathers
>  I still have that lost feeling. And I dont feel
> safe in my own house. Thats
> the bad part. The only good thing about this is they
> didnt hurt our dog and
> people like all of you that are willing to
> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>  Thank You With All Of Our
> Heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>  Mike and Kat
>
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:38:47 -0800
From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: back to walnut hulls

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Garrett" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: back to walnut hulls


>
> thanks capt. for the correction about baker's video
> using a walnut dyed cloth covered by linseed oil and
> the ochre.

Clint,

Your welcome and by all means watch me close too so I don't slip something
by. <G> Been known to happen.

YMOS
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:14:53 -0600
From: "John & Nancy McKee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: deer hides...a little off topic

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the time to do any braintanning or any room in the freezer! It seems a =
real shame to loose what can be used by my brothers.   John
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:54 -0800
From: "De Santis, Nick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Brass parts?

Hi,

I have been playing around trying to fix up a bad kit pistol I picked up
cheap at a show, and I am trying to go for the older gun look.  I have some
ideas on browning and wood finishing, but need some input on the furniture
that is brass (or silver for that matter) and how to give it that older
patina (sp?).  Anyway old brass looks old and brass that has just been
finished looks new.  How to get to the old look in less than 20 years?

Thanks for any tricks you may want to share.

Nick

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:20 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard


In a message dated 11/20/01 5:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Hmmmm, seems like I am making a lot of comments, but I have
 one more if the list will allow.

I don't usually say much either, but when someone new is not getting what
he's really asking for, I sometimes get a case of the blabs.

 < I believe  the wax application  is very valuable in preventing
 future or additional rusting.

It's worked that way for me.

<  My last action before mounting the barrel is to generously  apply the hot

wax to the underside or what I call the lower five flats of the barrel (the
sides and three bottom flats  that lie in the stock)  to create just the
sort
of sealer you speak of.

I try to redo that about once a year even though rusting isn't really that
much of a problem with our low humidity.  Figure it's better safe than sorry

- -- especially under the wood where I can't see it.  I have a friend who
lives
in a humid climate & has a fondness for barrels in the white who uses
neutral
shoe polish to control rust.  I recently introduced him to Break Free & he
was like a kid with a new toy.

< I have found remnants of bee's wax in corners and crevasses
 of several old original stocks and it is my belief that the wax
 application was a common practice of old gun makers.

It's nice to get confirmation of something I'd only read about.

 <  I have many times for extra protection in rainy weather simply smeared
on
a generous amount of Bore Butter.  (Which I personally don't care for as a
Patch lube)

Don't like Bore Butter for patches either, but what I use it for is
"antiseize" on nipples, drums, & touch hole liners.  I have one rifle &
pistol set that are convertible from percussion to flint.  While I don't
change them often, the Bore Butter, when soaked with Mac's 13 or T/C's
cleaner, allows easy removal of the liner or drum.  I tried regular
antiseize, but it didn't work -- Bore Butter does.

Think we've 'bout covered most major aspects of browning except the (UGH!)
"Hot Brown" method.  Personally, I hate it!  It's hard to get an even
coloring & depth on a larger part.  Occasionally I'll use it for a screw
head
if I've messed up & forgot (lost!) to slow rust it.  It's hard to beat the
old slow rust browning for appearance & durability.

< Good luck on all your future projects, be safe, but mostly have fun!!!

To you too!  I would like to try Hawk's browning solution here in the dry --

maybe next project!  Got 2 on the bench waiting for me right now!  Ha!  If'n

it warn't no fun, I wou'n't do it!  8)

NM

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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 23:03:14 +0000
From: "darlene secondine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass parts?

Hi Nick,
  I use Birchwood Casey's Brass Black. Follow the directions on the bottle
then judiciously buff with 0000 steel wool to take it off the areas where
there would be natural wear or slightly shinier brass. You'll have a patina
that you find on old rifles.
Good Luck,
Don


>From: "De Santis, Nick" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MtMan-List: Brass parts?
>Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:54 -0800
>
>Hi,
>
>I have been playing around trying to fix up a bad kit pistol I picked up
>cheap at a show, and I am trying to go for the older gun look.  I have some
>ideas on browning and wood finishing, but need some input on the furniture
>that is brass (or silver for that matter) and how to give it that older
>patina (sp?).  Anyway old brass looks old and brass that has just been
>finished looks new.  How to get to the old look in less than 20 years?
>
>Thanks for any tricks you may want to share.
>
>Nick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:20 AM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
>
>
>In a message dated 11/20/01 5:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< Hmmmm, seems like I am making a lot of comments, but I have
>  one more if the list will allow.
>
>I don't usually say much either, but when someone new is not getting what
>he's really asking for, I sometimes get a case of the blabs.
>
>  < I believe  the wax application  is very valuable in preventing
>  future or additional rusting.
>
>It's worked that way for me.
>
><  My last action before mounting the barrel is to generously  apply the
>hot
>
>wax to the underside or what I call the lower five flats of the barrel (the
>sides and three bottom flats  that lie in the stock)  to create just the
>sort
>of sealer you speak of.
>
>I try to redo that about once a year even though rusting isn't really that
>much of a problem with our low humidity.  Figure it's better safe than
>sorry
>
>-- especially under the wood where I can't see it.  I have a friend who
>lives
>in a humid climate & has a fondness for barrels in the white who uses
>neutral
>shoe polish to control rust.  I recently introduced him to Break Free & he
>was like a kid with a new toy.
>
>< I have found remnants of bee's wax in corners and crevasses
>  of several old original stocks and it is my belief that the wax
>  application was a common practice of old gun makers.
>
>It's nice to get confirmation of something I'd only read about.
>
>  <  I have many times for extra protection in rainy weather simply smeared
>on
>a generous amount of Bore Butter.  (Which I personally don't care for as a
>Patch lube)
>
>Don't like Bore Butter for patches either, but what I use it for is
>"antiseize" on nipples, drums, & touch hole liners.  I have one rifle &
>pistol set that are convertible from percussion to flint.  While I don't
>change them often, the Bore Butter, when soaked with Mac's 13 or T/C's
>cleaner, allows easy removal of the liner or drum.  I tried regular
>antiseize, but it didn't work -- Bore Butter does.
>
>Think we've 'bout covered most major aspects of browning except the (UGH!)
>"Hot Brown" method.  Personally, I hate it!  It's hard to get an even
>coloring & depth on a larger part.  Occasionally I'll use it for a screw
>head
>if I've messed up & forgot (lost!) to slow rust it.  It's hard to beat the
>old slow rust browning for appearance & durability.
>
>< Good luck on all your future projects, be safe, but mostly have fun!!!
>
>To you too!  I would like to try Hawk's browning solution here in the dry
>--
>
>maybe next project!  Got 2 on the bench waiting for me right now!  Ha!
>If'n
>
>it warn't no fun, I wou'n't do it!  8)
>
>NM
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:33:00 -0700
From: Todd Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Snowshoe treatment

Hello all,

I'm refurbishing a pair of old snowshoes. Anyone have any suggestions as
to the best kind of varnish to use on the lacing?
I doubt it was used historically....what was used to help preserve the
lacing or webbing? Were they greased? I guess it's possible to use pitch,
but it seems that it would be quite brittle and break off. What are your
thoughts?

"Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:35:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Mitch Post <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Killing a buffalo.......

  Well, tomorrow morning at dawn(or close to it), I
have the grand opportunity to kill a buffalo. A friend
of mine here in SW Arkansas raises them. Long story
short...he asked me if I "wanted" to shoot one. I
thought about it for a while....about 2 seconds!! I'll
be using my .62 fowler. This won't be a "hunt",but a
stand shot-it's NOT in a pen,it's out in the pasture.
I'm excited and nervous-I've never killed anything
this big....and have yet to "make meat" with my
smoothbore.
  Looking forward to dawn.......Mitch




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