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hist_text-digest       Sunday, December 2 2001       Volume 01 : Number 896



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Hunting shirts
-áááááá Re :MtMan-List: "Metis" ???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hunting shirts
-áááááá MtMan-List: metis??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton
-áááááá MtMan-List: Bitteroot timber sale
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton

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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:08 -0700
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hunting shirts

I may be jumping the gun but now that I have three hides brained I am
getting excited about making a buckskin hunting shirt.  So I am looking
for suggestions or tips.  For those of you who have already made one
what would you do different?  Is it important to keep all the hides with
the head in the same position before cutting out or is it alright to
rotate the leather?  How many strands of lenin thread are best to sew
with?  Or should I use artificial sinew? (Sorry I just couldnÆt resist
that one.)

Sorry to say but this wont be the last time you will here about this
project.


Wynn Ormond


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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:41:51 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re :MtMan-List: "Metis" ???

 > How do you pronounce it ???
>  Is it me tis,like the moon of Mars, or ma-tees ??

I always flub & say may-TEE, but wiser heads and my Canadian Oxford
Dictionary both say it's properly pronounced MAY-tee (think "matey").

I'm jealous about your Alfred Silver books--I was hoping to try some over
Christmas holidays, but both Amazon.com and Chapters.indigo.ca say that all
his titles are temporarily unavailable. *sigh*

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred




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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:20:03 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hunting shirts

Wynn wrote ;
  Or should I use artificial sinew? (Sorry I just couldn't resist
that one.)

>>Ye Gads ! ! !
Wynn,
  It is very important to run the hides all in the same direction, because
the skins will stretch differently in different directions.  It's usually
best to have the head end of the hide at the top of the garment.  Good luck
!
Pendleton
" Freedom has a flavor, the protected will never know . "


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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:25:50 -0700
From: "Terrance Luff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: metis??

  I would have to agree with angela on metis.
on the state side metis the history books and societies show and say to say
May Tee. some of the native amer say may tis. in some case's metis will say
Ma Chif , this seems to be a tutle mountain chipewa metis. most of your
authors use that word to identify the metis language.
your books by alfred silver are realy good on metis history. i have often
used the statement silver and terry johnsons comparson, with metis
history forms.

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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 07:03:51 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton

Wynn,
    What delightful books Ruxton's are. Many researchers use his
books for some of thier work, but lately one part of his writting
has come to their attention, how he records his subjects conversations.
    Some people think that the style he uses when having his people talk
in his books is exagerated. And that what they were really using was a
southren slang. I don't know. His books were made to be read for the
enjoyment of his audiences and probably not for any historical research.
    I enjoy his writing and feel that he has done alot to promote the west
as it was- wild and adventureous. His death is what I think a tragic ending

to a rich lived life (he died in St.Louis, on his was back to a place he
loved,
the americn west).
    Another writer who share the same time frame and adventures (and style)

is Francis Parkman. If you have not read any of his, try it.
                                        mike.
p.s. I live on the northern edge of where he traveled and it is always a
good
adventure to retrace his steps here!

Gretchen Ormond wrote:

> I have been reading RuxtonÆs Wild Life in the Rocky Mountains down
> loaded from DeanÆs wonderful site.  I find myself curious about what
> brought Ruxton to Mexico and why he went to the mountains.  Also how
> long afterward did he write his story dwon?  Other than he was there in
> 1846-47 instead of pre 1840 is there any other weaknesses to his
> accounts?  In short does anyone have some information about Ruxton?
>
> Wynn Ormond
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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:16:47 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bitteroot timber sale

1. BITTERROOT: ADMINISTRATION TRYING TO SLAM THE DOOR ON PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION
The Chief of the Forest Service is working behind the scenes with the
Bush Administration to eliminate the public appeals process on the
largest timber sale pending in the country -- a proposed 181 million
board feet salvage logging timber sale on the Bitterroot National
Forest in western Montana. Please contact Forest Service Chief Dale
Bosworth and tell him to follow the law and retain the appeals process
for the Bitterroot and all other national forest projects:
http://www.wilderness.org/takeaction/?step=2&item=883

BACKGROUND
In November 2001, Chief Bosworth asked Mark Rey, the under-secretary
of Agriculture who oversees the Forest Service, to co-sign the
decision on the Bitterroot. If Rey signs the decision, it would
eliminate the opportunity for the 2,500 people and organizations who
commented on the timber sale to file any appeals.

This salvage logging sale would be the largest in Forest Service
history, and allows for more timber to be pulled from the Bitterroot
than was taken off the Forest in the last 15 years combined.  **But
having Rey sign the decision would also set a terrible precedent,
potentially allowing the Forest Service to avoid appeals of
controversial decisions *anywhere* on our country's National
Forests.**

TAKE ACTION
Please write Chief Bosworth by December 9 from
http://www.wilderness.org/takeaction/?step=2&item=883 and ask him to:

- - Withdraw his request that Agriculture Under-Secretary Mark Rey sign
the Record of Decision on the Bitterroot Burn Area Recovery Plan.
- - Not circumvent the Forest Service appeals process.

Send your comments to:
Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth
c/o Forest Service Northern Region
Public and Governmental Relations
P.O. Box 7669, Missoula, MT 59807
EMAIL: [e-mail]
FAX: [phone]

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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:11:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton

Read Lewis Garrard's Wah-To-Yah and the Taos Trail.  He wrote about the same
places at the same point in time.  His nearly identical descriptions of
mountain man idiom should put to rest any notions about Ruxton having made-up
their speech.  Comparing Ruxton's non-fiction stuff with Garrard's book makes
for a fascinating and telling picture of the southern Plains and Rockies in
the mid-40s,

John R. Sweet

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Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 05:59:18 -0800
From: JW Stephens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton

A good look at the whole subject of the mountain man lingo is:

The Mountain Man Vernacular: Its Historical Roots, Its Linguistic
Nature, and Its Literary Uses; by Richard C. Poulsen; Peter Lang
Publishing, Inc., New York 1985; ISBN 0-8204-0197-8.

B'st'rd

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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:52:33 -0700
From: Todd Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton

That's what i was gonna say!

Todd

> A good look at the whole subject of the mountain man lingo is:
>
> The Mountain Man Vernacular: Its Historical Roots, Its Linguistic
> Nature, and Its Literary Uses; by Richard C. Poulsen; Peter Lang
> Publishing, Inc., New York 1985; ISBN 0-8204-0197-8.
>
> B'st'rd
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"Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784
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