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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #886
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hist_text-digest Tuesday, November 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 886
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: NEW KIT!
-áááááá MtMan-List: The"Cascades" (test question)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Pine tar soap
-áááááá MtMan-List: cast trigger gaurd
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger gaurd
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
-áááááá MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
-áááááá MtMan-List: Your stuff
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Your stuff
-áááááá MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:12:44 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: NEW KIT!
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Sorry for the cross posting, but I have a new traditonal kit on the =
site. http://www.bright.net/~deforge1/
Thought you might like it.
Thanks for your time
D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Knives and Iron Accouterments
http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
"Knowing how is just the beginning."
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thought you might like it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your time</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>D</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:29:48 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: The"Cascades" (test question)
Hallo the List,
Here's a few fur trade history test questions:
#1 What did the Americans call the Cascade mountains?
#2 Who gave the name "Cascades" to the mountains?
#3 and, for a few more points, what year was the name given?
As you can tell, I've been reading to much of late.
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:32:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Wolfe <tenwolvesminusone@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Pine tar soap
Good Day to all! Its been a while since Ive writen to
the list (my web tv is kaput!)But I'm back on line
with a computer and a new location.Anyway heres a
question to chew on. I'm very fond of pine tar soap
and was wondering how far back it use may go,the
brand I buy has been made since 1878. So if any one
has a ref. to it being used earlier I would love to
here of it!!
YMOS,
Michael A. Smith Esq.
Somerset County,Maryland
on the Barren Creek.
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:35:12 -0500
From: "James Zeigler" <slzeigle@sunlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: cast trigger gaurd
Hello List: Was thinking about putting a new trigger gaurd on my Hawken and
was wondering if anyone could tell me of the best way to polish a cast
iron not brass) trigger gaurd to get it ready to brown?
Thank you in advance.....Jim
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:36:03 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger gaurd
James,
I start out by Filing with as large a file as will work then work down to
needle files. After that I start with 80 grit sand paper and file all
surfaces so that I don't round the details, I will keep going by using
finner and finner paper and usuly end with 320 if I am going to use
browning. If I want to polish it I will go to 600 grit and then on to steel
wool. After polishing I heat the metal in an oven to 300 deg and coat with
bees wax.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
>Subject: MtMan-List: cast trigger gaurd
>Date: Mon, Nov 12, 2001, 1:35 PM
>
>
>
>
> Hello List: Was thinking about putting a new trigger gaurd on my Hawken and
>was wondering if anyone could tell me of the best way to polish a cast
> iron not brass) trigger gaurd to get it ready to brown?
> Thank you in advance.....Jim
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:31:37 -0700
From: Charlie Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
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Howdy,
Not necessary to polish the trigger guard to a mirror finish. In fact
the
browning solution seems to work better on a dull or matte finish.
Simply file off the mold marks and rough spots, leave no file marks, if
surface still is not to your satisfaction use a finer file. I used to
polish
to a fine finish, but when the rusting action begins, all of your elbow
grease goes down the drain. Frequently after filing smooth, I will
bead blast a trigger guard or lock plate. The light matting effect
seems to really accept the solution more smoothly, but is definitely
not a technique used by early gun builders. I also find little or
no need for sand papers.
Good Luck,
Old Coyote
> Hello List: Was thinking about putting a new trigger guard on my
> Hawken and
> was wondering if anyone could tell me of the best way to polish a
> cast
> iron not brass) trigger gaurd to get it ready to brown?
> Thank you in advance.....Jim
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fact=20
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<DIV>Simply file off the mold marks and rough spots, leave no file =
marks,=20
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; I=20
used to polish</DIV>
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elbow=20
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<DIV>grease goes down the drain. Frequently after filing smooth, I=20
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effect</DIV>
<DIV>seems to really accept the solution more smoothly, but is definitely</=
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<DIV>not a technique used by early gun builders. I also find little=20
or</DIV>
<DIV>no need for sand papers.</DIV>
<DIV>Good Luck,</DIV>
<DIV>Old Coyote</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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on my=20
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:31:37 -0700
From: Charlie Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
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Howdy,
Not necessary to polish the trigger guard to a mirror finish. In fact
the
browning solution seems to work better on a dull or matte finish.
Simply file off the mold marks and rough spots, leave no file marks, if
surface still is not to your satisfaction use a finer file. I used to
polish
to a fine finish, but when the rusting action begins, all of your elbow
grease goes down the drain. Frequently after filing smooth, I will
bead blast a trigger guard or lock plate. The light matting effect
seems to really accept the solution more smoothly, but is definitely
not a technique used by early gun builders. I also find little or
no need for sand papers.
Good Luck,
Old Coyote
> Hello List: Was thinking about putting a new trigger guard on my
> Hawken and
> was wondering if anyone could tell me of the best way to polish a
> cast
> iron not brass) trigger gaurd to get it ready to brown?
> Thank you in advance.....Jim
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the</DIV>
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<DIV>Simply file off the mold marks and rough spots, leave no file =
marks,=20
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used to polish</DIV>
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elbow=20
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<DIV>Good Luck,</DIV>
<DIV>Old Coyote</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:14:01 -0700
From: "Bill Klesinger" <bill@klesinger.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
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Question ? dose anyone know it there are any mountain men in Greenland ? I
may be headed to Thule Greenland. Or what are the gun laws for the country?
Bill Klesinger
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:25:24 -0500
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
Bill,
From the page describing political and governmental aspects of the
Scandinavian
Union (which includes Greenland):
http://home.enter.vg/bluenova/su2300ad/PoliticsGovernment/
ScandinaviaIn2300ADPoliticsGovernment.htm
yields the following:
"It should be noted that SU gun laws are very restrictive. Getting a
permit for a sporting rifle involves extensive testing and careful
registration, getting a permit for a handgun is virtually impossible
unless the applicant is a police officer, licensed security guard or
military officer. In short, a person must prove a legitimate need and
submit to testing and registration to get any kind of lethal weapon, and
to SU authority "in case I have to defend myself" isn't really a
legitimate need for civilians. Carrying a gun without a permit is a
serious infraction which more than once has been interpreted as "Intent
to Kill" and followed by a lengthy prison sentence."
I guess some folks define "civilized" quite different then others.
Tom
> Bill Klesinger wrote:
>
> Question ? dose anyone know it there are any mountain men in Greenland
> ? I may be headed to Thule Greenland. Or what are the gun laws for the
> country?
>
> Bill Klesinger
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:34:10 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
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Bill
I believe Greenland is part of Denmark. Check the page show below (and =
an excerpt from an interesting list found at the site) for a clue about =
gun possession. Who knows what regulations apply to muzzleloaders, =
never mind possession of black powder.
Lanney
http://www.paamiut.gl/ukkomgen.htm
Guns. Since January 1st. 1994 the present gun law has been effective. =
This law forbids any possession or use of pistols, revolvers and any =
other handgun. Single shot and hand operated repeating centerfire and =
rimfire rifles as well as shotguns are allowed without permits. =
Semiautomatic rifles and shotguns are only allowed if you are registered =
as a hunter and more than 50% of your income derives from this =
occupation. Fully automatic weapons are forbidden.=20
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From: Bill Klesinger=20
To: Hist_LIST=20
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:14 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
Question ? dose anyone know it there are any mountain men in Greenland ? =
I may be headed to Thule Greenland. Or what are the gun laws for the =
country?=20
Bill Klesinger
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<P align=3Djustify><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>I =
believe Greenland is=20
part of Denmark. Check the page show below (and an excerpt from an =
interesting list found at the site) for a clue about gun =
possession. Who=20
knows what regulations apply to muzzleloaders, never mind possession of =
black=20
powder.</FONT></STRONG></P>
<P align=3Djustify><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
size=3D2>Lanney</FONT></STRONG></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2><B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.paamiut.gl/ukkomgen.htm">http://www.paamiut.gl/ukkomge=
n.htm</A></B></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
size=3D2><B>Guns. =20
Since January 1st. 1994 the present gun law has been effective. This law =
forbids=20
any possession or use of pistols, revolvers and any other handgun</B>. =
Single=20
shot and hand operated repeating centerfire and rimfire rifles as well =
as=20
shotguns are allowed without permits. Semiautomatic rifles and shotguns =
are only=20
allowed if you are registered as a hunter and more than 50% of your =
income=20
derives from this occupation. Fully automatic weapons are forbidden.=20
</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dbill@klesinger.com href=3D"mailto:bill@klesinger.com">Bill =
Klesinger</A>=20
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">Hist_LIST</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 12, 2001 9:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D105580903-13112001>Question ? dose=20
anyone know it there are any mountain men in Greenland ? I may be headed =
to=20
Thule Greenland. Or what are the gun laws for the country? =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:48:08 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Your stuff
Hi Tom,
I made a trip up to Pinedale today and got your blanket and buff powder horn
from the museum. I'd like to return them to you. Where would you like it
sent to?
Allen
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:53:51 -0700
From: "Bill Klesinger" <bill@klesinger.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
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Interisting place but Thule is about 1000 mile north of there. They wont see
the sun until April now.
Bill
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From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lanney Ratcliff
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:34 PM
To: History List
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
Bill
I believe Greenland is part of Denmark. Check the page show below (and an
excerpt from an interesting list found at the site) for a clue about gun
possession. Who knows what regulations apply to muzzleloaders, never mind
possession of black powder.
Lanney
http://www.paamiut.gl/ukkomgen.htm
Guns. Since January 1st. 1994 the present gun law has been effective.
This law forbids any possession or use of pistols, revolvers and any other
handgun. Single shot and hand operated repeating centerfire and rimfire
rifles as well as shotguns are allowed without permits. Semiautomatic rifles
and shotguns are only allowed if you are registered as a hunter and more
than 50% of your income derives from this occupation. Fully automatic
weapons are forbidden.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Klesinger
To: Hist_LIST
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:14 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland
Question ? dose anyone know it there are any mountain men in Greenland ? I
may be headed to Thule Greenland. Or what are the gun laws for the country?
Bill Klesinger
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Ratcliff<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 12, 2001 8:34 =
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History List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Fw: MtMan-List: mountaineers in=20
Greenland<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
size=3D2><B>Bill</B></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>I =
believe Greenland=20
is part of Denmark. Check the page show below (and an excerpt =
from an=20
interesting list found at the site) for a clue about gun =
possession. Who=20
knows what regulations apply to muzzleloaders, never mind possession =
of black=20
powder.</FONT></STRONG></P>
<P align=3Djustify><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
size=3D2>Lanney</FONT></STRONG></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2><B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.paamiut.gl/ukkomgen.htm">http://www.paamiut.gl/ukkomge=
n.htm</A></B></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
size=3D2><B>Guns. =20
Since January 1st. 1994 the present gun law has been effective. This =
law=20
forbids any possession or use of pistols, revolvers and any other =
handgun</B>.=20
Single shot and hand operated repeating centerfire and rimfire rifles =
as well=20
as shotguns are allowed without permits. Semiautomatic rifles and =
shotguns are=20
only allowed if you are registered as a hunter and more than 50% of =
your=20
income derives from this occupation. Fully automatic weapons are =
forbidden.=20
</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bill@klesinger.com" title=3Dbill@klesinger.com>Bill =
Klesinger</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>Hist_LIST</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 12, 2001 9:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: mountaineers in Greenland</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D105580903-13112001>Question ? dose=20
anyone know it there are any mountain men in Greenland ? I may be =
headed to=20
Thule Greenland. Or what are the gun laws for the country?=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Bill <SPAN=20
class=3D105580903-13112001>Klesinger</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:00:43 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Your stuff
Allen,
Send it to grn at
1005 W Donkey Lane
Marlow OK.
<GRIN>
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> Hi Tom,
>
> I made a trip up to Pinedale today and got your
> blanket and buff powder horn
> from the museum. I'd like to return them to you.
> Where would you like it
> sent to?
>
> Allen
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:34:17 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
I am going to stick my neck out on this one:
We have mentioned several times possibilities of AMM providing guidelines for
correctness to be included in the tabloid that is given to everyone at the
annual Fort Bridger Rendezvous (approximately 30 - 40,000 people). Now
things as silent. I will be meeting with the adminstrators of the next
gathering and would like to present this proposal to them, but -- we have no
proposal. And so I make this offer:
I will edit the first draught of such an offering based on what all of
you choose to submit and do it after counseling with "qualified others". I
propose and will list below a suggested start for the subjects to be covered.
I will accumulate and catagorize the material and provide for the several
possible alternatives in each catagory. I also solicit suggestions to expand
the catagories I list here so we can be more nearly complete. And so we can
be more nearly correct . . . Please include a bibliography or other reference
documenting historic correctness.
To begin the catagories, I will make the following suggestions:
Clothing: Hat, shirt, smock, coat, capote, breeches, leggins, scarves,
moccasins - footgear, belts, decoration (if any), materials used, style and
patterns, what NOT . . . and . . . .
Shooting Gear: Long gun ( flint, percussion, style, caliber, number . . .)
hand guns, Pouches, horns, cappers, flint equipment, patches, containers,
patch knife, patch material"care and keeping" tools, how worn or carried,
etc.
Camp Gear: Kettles, cups, spoons, forks, plates, fire tools, ropes, shovels,
canteens. tenting,. . . .
Sleeping gear: Blankets, ground cover, apishamores, etc..
Possibles: Razor, mirror, firesteel, awl, stitchery equipment, journals,
telescope, maps, books, et. al..
Trade Goods: Beads, awls, blankets, knives, ammunition, foo-foo-rah and
gee-gaws
Horse Gear: Saddles, bridles, riggings, pickets, hobbles . . . .
Trapping Gear: Design(s), how many, bait, . . . .
AND . . .
Shall we go for it???
Dick James
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:49:31 EST
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cast trigger guard
In a message dated 11/12/01 3:30:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cwebbbpdr@juno.com writes:
<< Not necessary to polish the trigger guard to a mirror finish. In fact
the
browning solution seems to work better on a dull or matte finish. >>
What's even more important than the finish is getting ALL oil & grease off
the surface before applying the browning solution. 111 Triclorethylene used
to do a GREAT job, but it's no longer available. I've found that hanging the
part then flooding the surface with automotive aerosol brake cleaner or carb
cleaner works well. Once the surface is clean, DON'T TOUCH IT until it's
browned. If you MUST hold it with something to stabilize it while applying
the browning solution, clean a pair of pliers or a "C" clamp with brake
cleaner & use it or use a paper towel to grip the part with. If your surface
develops spots where the browning doesn't "take" spray the part down again &
apply more browning solution. As with all chemicals, use only in a well
ventilated area!
NM
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:19:38 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
Dick,
Go for it!
However what period? at Bridger there are sometimes more than one time
period that are being shown.
I would suggest that we describe a Mountain Man about 1830 to 1835 and his
gear. We also need to describe a long hunter 1765 to 1775 with his gear.
There are others but I can't think of them.
Ole
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>From: SWzypher@aol.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
>Date: Mon, Nov 12, 2001, 11:34 PM
>
>I am going to stick my neck out on this one:
>
>We have mentioned several times possibilities of AMM providing guidelines for
>correctness to be included in the tabloid that is given to everyone at the
>annual Fort Bridger Rendezvous (approximately 30 - 40,000 people). Now
>things as silent. I will be meeting with the adminstrators of the next
>gathering and would like to present this proposal to them, but -- we have no
>proposal. And so I make this offer:
>
> I will edit the first draught of such an offering based on what all of
>you choose to submit and do it after counseling with "qualified others". I
>propose and will list below a suggested start for the subjects to be covered.
> I will accumulate and catagorize the material and provide for the several
>possible alternatives in each catagory. I also solicit suggestions to expand
>the catagories I list here so we can be more nearly complete. And so we can
>be more nearly correct . . . Please include a bibliography or other reference
>documenting historic correctness.
>
> To begin the catagories, I will make the following suggestions:
>
>Clothing: Hat, shirt, smock, coat, capote, breeches, leggins, scarves,
>moccasins - footgear, belts, decoration (if any), materials used, style and
>patterns, what NOT . . . and . . . .
>
>Shooting Gear: Long gun ( flint, percussion, style, caliber, number . . .)
>hand guns, Pouches, horns, cappers, flint equipment, patches, containers,
>patch knife, patch material"care and keeping" tools, how worn or carried,
>etc.
>
>Camp Gear: Kettles, cups, spoons, forks, plates, fire tools, ropes, shovels,
>canteens. tenting,. . . .
>
>Sleeping gear: Blankets, ground cover, apishamores, etc..
>
>Possibles: Razor, mirror, firesteel, awl, stitchery equipment, journals,
>telescope, maps, books, et. al..
>
>Trade Goods: Beads, awls, blankets, knives, ammunition, foo-foo-rah and
>gee-gaws
>
>Horse Gear: Saddles, bridles, riggings, pickets, hobbles . . . .
>
>Trapping Gear: Design(s), how many, bait, . . . .
>
>AND . . .
>
>Shall we go for it???
>
>Dick James
>
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:36:31 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What do you say is correct??
In a message dated 11/13/1 3:23:05 PM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes:
<<I would suggest that we describe a Mountain Man about 1830 to 1835 and his
gear. We also need to describe a long hunter 1765 to 1775 with his gear.>>
Ole-Ole
I'm glad to see you had the sense to spend time with your computer today
instead of going out in the rain. I spent an interesting last saturday at a
symposium moderated by Fred Gowan. He dealt with this subject. His feeling
is that there are "book-ends" on the period and he places them at the date of
Lewis & Clark's return on one end and 1840 on the other. Hyram Chittenden,
on the other hand, specifies 1807 until the building of Bridger's Post in
1843. Interesting they parallel after a century of space between
statements. Fred went on to say that you cannot isolate information within
the given time frame and ignore politics, history, and even geography outside
of that range. I told him I fully agreed and though his classes begin with
events in the early 1600s, when I taught "History, Culture, and Crafts of the
Mountain Man" I began in the 1500s with Giovani Cabotta (John Cabbot). My
example was Z. Leonard's recounting the celebration of the victory of the
Battle of New Orleans while in a trappers' camp in the Rockies more than a
decade later. Fred's point was the progression of political pressures from
all nations involved in working the fur country.
There are some other interesting developments in their embryonic stage right
now that will shortly be on the scene. Properly treated they could all be a
showcase for AMM.
Now to answer your question: I wouldn't exclude any of the fur trade period
in advising individuals in equipage for their personna, but surely directions
could key certain things to certain time periods. They should be labled as
such. As to longhunters and even colonial riflemen - my opinion only - there
wasn't that much difference as outfits and clothing from one period bled into
the next. In dealing with public education on the subject (which includes
the un-learning of some of the crap being dosed out in the public schools) I
have a strong feeling about paying tribute to both the above mentioned
periods in order to foster an appreciation for what sacrifices and efforts
were manifest in order to make such a magnificent America possible.
'Nuff said for now.
Dick James
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