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hist_text-digest       Thursday, August 30 2001       Volume 01 : Number 848



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
-áááááá MtMan-List: Double Blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:46:21 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

I can't help myself, I just don't trust supposed historical research
without any dates on it. So when I visited the website www.woolsoft.net,
the following statement raised an eyebrow:

"The "Double Three Point" blanket became a standard of
   the fur trade. Each blanket was worth six prime beaver
   pelts. The term "split the blanket" came into being when
   a trapper only had three pelts to trade. The blanket was
   cut or torn in half, becoming two three point blankets."

I have, rarely, come across references to *pairs* of point blankets, but
nowhere near as frequently as these folks seem to suggest. But my period
ends at 1821. What do you folks think? And is there a demand today for
blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:01:48 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

  "And is there a demand today for blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?"

Angela

It is my understanding that "doubles" * "pairs" of blankets were shipped
here form Europe for economic reason.. To save the tarrif or taxes on
imports. You can ship "one" long blanket  and then seperate it when here and
save the price paying import tarrifs on two.

Dennis

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
       Knives and Iron Accouterments
      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:33:41 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

angelia
have a 6 point blanketHudson bay (purple)---ordered direct from the bay
company by my aunt in canida in 1960 ---she bought me 2 of them at the
time as a wedding gift -- i asked her for one 2 point and 1 four point
and got the 2 ---6 point onesthey said they made a mistake and gave them
to her for the price of the 2 point and the 4 point ---they were intended
for a king sized bed and they do cover then well---and relly keep you
warm on a cold night---have camped with my 6 point and fold and roll it
into a good bed---2 layers under ond one overand fold the bottom under
- ---works great but too big and too heavy to tote long distances ---dont
believe they used many of the double 3 points as they would be the same
size as my 6 point is and its big in length and width---would work great
for some of the big guys 6 plus feet tall and on the large frames---but
the blanket is heavy---there was a paper with my blankets that gave a lot
of information about them---it explained the point system and some of the
historical background---might go to the bay company web sight they may
have it posted there---this internet has everything else on it---Just a
guess dear---i know you like documentation as well as i do---and venders
will say anything to make a sale on ocasions---


"The "Double Three Point" blanket became a standard of
   the fur trade. Each blanket was worth six prime beaver
   pelts. The term "split the blanket" came into being when
   a trapper only had three pelts to trade. The blanket was
   cut or torn in half, becoming two three point blankets."


this statement is not correct in what i have read---its not 6 prime pelts
but the marks on the blanket show how high the stack of pelts must be I
thought---I may be wrong but that was my thinking---and the split the
blanket is a marketers play on words????who knows---check the bay company
postings on the historical background of the blanket and its colors and
markings---I know there are 3 different purple blankets and that is by
color alone not even getting into the point marks on the edge of the
blanket---some colors were not even sold in the fur trade time period
that they have today---also the older blankets have a different hudson
bay sticker on them---that has changes about 6 ot 7 times over the
ages---saw that somewhere they had examples of the different hudson bay
marks---dont remember where---i will dig and see what i have here i can
send you if i find it---


have a good day
Nuff said---

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:55:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

James Hanson's article on Point Blankets says that "The French may have sold
their blankets individually; at least a surviving order priced them that way.
All English Point Blankets were shipped from the factory in undivided pairs.
Europeans may have marketed blankets this way amoung themselves; at least I
have seen many sheets and bed blankets with no fur trade association that are
still 'doubles'. There is some evidence that Indians in the frigid North did
not divide them; in 1611 an observer reported that the Indians wore 'bed
blankets which they improve with trimming and wear double'."           Barney



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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days

   Joe;
 Hope you can make it !!
 If you know of anyone that may want to help with the
"School Day" demos, or just needs an excuse to get on
the ground, please let them know.
 Can set up Thursday the 11th, and go home Sunday the
14th, of OCTOBER.
 Will be at the Chouteau Museum, Salina Oklahoma.
 grn
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> George, I think I have to work that weekend.  If I
> can I will be there though
>
>
>   Joe
>


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:56:19 -0500
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Double Blankets

Angela,

I have three double 3-1/2 point blankets, (actually 6 blankets). Of course
they are from a later time period than 1821. When they started putting
labels on the blankets, the double blankets had only one label on them, so
when they were ripped into two blankets only one of the blankets had a
label. This explains why some Hudson Bay blankets appear to have never had a
label.

A few years ago you could still buy double blankets, but only at the mills
where they are made. Today, they do not ship double blankets to my knowledge
although that is the way they were shipped in the early years.

Every once in a while you see Hudson Bay doubles being sold on the Ebay
internet auction.

YMH&OS
Harddog


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:42:18 -0600
From: "Clay J. Landry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

Anglea

 In the American Fur Company, St Louis, ledgers 1821 to 1860,  the listings
of "pairs" of point blankets are very numerous. this not only includes the
orders shipped to America by the blanket suppliers in Leads but also the
inventories of the interior posts such as Fort Union and Fort Pierre. I
can't speak to the Canadian trade, but in the American fur trade 'pairs' of
point blankets were anything but rare.

Clay Landry
Moorhead MT
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:46 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets


> I can't help myself, I just don't trust supposed historical research
> without any dates on it. So when I visited the website www.woolsoft.net,
> the following statement raised an eyebrow:
>
> "The "Double Three Point" blanket became a standard of
>    the fur trade. Each blanket was worth six prime beaver
>    pelts. The term "split the blanket" came into being when
>    a trapper only had three pelts to trade. The blanket was
>    cut or torn in half, becoming two three point blankets."
>
> I have, rarely, come across references to *pairs* of point blankets, but
> nowhere near as frequently as these folks seem to suggest. But my period
> ends at 1821. What do you folks think? And is there a demand today for
> blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:32:13 -0600
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade

Magpie wrote:
Great review Angela. Can you recommend any books on the Hudson's Bay Co.
in
the Northwest? I'm most interested in the Fort Vancouver, Fort
Nisqually, and
Fort Langley.....my area of the woods.

If I may be so forward as to answer a question put to someone else,
Peter Skene Ogden's biographer Archie Bimms deals with the Northwest.
Typical of the writing style of many early historians he lacks
referances and makes it up when he can't find the facts (50 horses for
a  widow!).  Still its probably worth reading.  Ogden journals
themselves can not be forgotten.  And lastly Children of the Fur Trade
deals with the Metis but a lot of it takes place in the Northwest.
There are probably others that are better but those are my suggestions.

Wynn Ormond


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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:01:43 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

Dennis,
About a year ago there was a red 3 point blanket that was still hooked
together. Ebay was selling and promoting it as being verry rare.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
>Date: Tue, Aug 28, 2001, 7:01 AM
>

>
>  "And is there a demand today for blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?"
>
>Angela
>
>It is my understanding that "doubles" * "pairs" of blankets were shipped
>here form Europe for economic reason.. To save the tarrif or taxes on
>imports. You can ship "one" long blanket  and then seperate it when here and
>save the price paying import tarrifs on two.
>
>Dennis
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>       Knives and Iron Accouterments
>      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>
>   "Knowing how is just the beginning."
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:10:13 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

Ole,
 Probably went high.. I actually bid on a pair of white/cream ones that were
at an estate auction. Pristine, label intact, and the mid point of the
blanket was actually "scored" for straight cutting/tearing... It sold in the
$750 rancge, if I remember right.. WAAAY to pricey for my budget.
D

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets


> Dennis,
> About a year ago there was a red 3 point blanket that was still hooked
> together. Ebay was selling and promoting it as being verry rare.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
> >Date: Tue, Aug 28, 2001, 7:01 AM
> >
>
> >
> >  "And is there a demand today for blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?"
> >
> >Angela
> >
> >It is my understanding that "doubles" * "pairs" of blankets were shipped
> >here form Europe for economic reason.. To save the tarrif or taxes on
> >imports. You can ship "one" long blanket  and then seperate it when here
and
> >save the price paying import tarrifs on two.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> >            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> >       Knives and Iron Accouterments
> >      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
> >
> >   "Knowing how is just the beginning."
> >
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:25:14 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

Hello the Camp!
I know that we have had discussions on fishing line and hooks before, but I
have not seen anything on poles/reals and such.
What did they look like? when were they invented? where can I get one if
they make such a thing?
I know that Wilferd Woodruff went fly fishing in the creeks around Fort
Bridger in 1847 but how far do they go back before that?.
YMOS
Ole # 718


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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:21:32 -0500
From: "Paul W. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

Ole,

You cover a lot of ground with your question.

Rods of one form or another had been used for centuries before the Mountain
Man era.  By that date sporting (read that fly) rods were typically spliced
rods (angled sections whipped together) of some variety of wood, although
many ferruled rods were making an appearance by 1800.  The split cane rods
were not available until much nearer 1850, and the debate remains as to who
invented split cane rods--the Brits around 1800 (at least as to a tip
section on an otherwise solid wood rod) or the Americans (more likely as
they were being commerically produced in the United States by about 1840).
Fishing rods did make it into the mountains fairly early.  One of the
Astorian's had a "cased" rod and purchased a hair line on his way West.
Hair lines were used for sport fishing.  Linen and other natural fibers for
bait or coarse fishing.  The earliest rod in my collection is from the
1840's, a Scottish greenheart rod about 18 feet in length.  It will not fit
on a horse with ease.

Reels were available in a crude sense of the term as early as the 1600's.
Used to store line, not for casting.  Called winches at first.  The early
reels were spiked (literally a spike that fit through a hole at the base of
the rod) or with a clamp that fit around the base of the rod.  By the early
1700's they were more and more available, and were being imported into the
America's in the early 1700's.  By 1750 they were available in fishing shops
in the major cities and being adverstised in newspapers by the Revolution.
The multiplying reel made its appearance sometime after 1750, and by the
early 1800's were common-place.  Kentucky gun makers get the honors for
really perfecting the real mutilpling reels.  A reel from about 1750 and
after looks very much like a simple casting reel we use today.  Still only
line holders and primarily used for trolling, but they had simple gears and
in appearance looked very much the same.  It is really hard to identify an
unmarked early reel from the late 1700's from say, one made after about
1830/1850.  They looked virtually alike, and absent the makers markings only
a real expert on the finer points of constuction techniques can distinguish
one reel as to a given date/time frame from the another.  The earliest reel
I have acquired is an Irish reel from the 1820's.  It was made for salmon
fishing and is more like a modern fly reel than a casting reel.  I have a
clamp reel from the 1840's.  Would have a spiked reel from the early 1700's
but do not have the required 1,200 English pounds to buy it!!

By the 1830's and the 1840's sport fishing had really caught on in the
United States, but primarily in the North East.

I can not yet document a reel in the mountains until about 1840, and that is
still an educated guess. Lewis and Clark purchased stave reels for their
trip, but those are simply the wood line holders (shaped like an "H") many
of us kept our line wrapped on when much younger (and some of us still do).
Also cannot document that a rod was taken by them, but even though every
item, including hooks and various types of fishing lines were itemized for
the trip, you cannot rule out that Lewis, in particular, had a personal rod
and/or reel.  But if so, why was it not mentioned in any of the journals?

Sorry to be so long-winded, but this subject is all-consuming for me.

Regards,

Paul


> Hello the Camp!
> I know that we have had discussions on fishing line and hooks before, but
I
> have not seen anything on poles/reals and such.
> What did they look like? when were they invented? where can I get one if
> they make such a thing?
> I know that Wilferd Woodruff went fly fishing in the creeks around Fort
> Bridger in 1847 but how far do they go back before that?.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
>



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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:48:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

In a message dated 8/29/1 2:27:16 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<not seen anything on poles/reals and such.
What did they look like? when were they invented? where can I get one if
they make such a thing?>>

Ole
Dave Kafton's brother, Mike has written a small book on the subject.  Check
our marquis at Bridger.  He also intends to make a limited number of the
early reels (not reals - real reals, perhaps).
See you there
Dick James

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:39:05 -0700
From: "ALAN AVERY" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

If you are looking for a double blanket, they are available from Crazy Crow
Trading Post in Texas, the latest catalog I have, (#17) shows a retail price
of: US $165.00. They are available in red with  black stripes, and white
with navy blue stripes. Also, no point marks or labels, (labels were not
commonly  seen on blankets until around 1890 anyway). I have handled one of
these blankets and I would compare it to a Witney in quality. (Apparently
they are made in Czech Republic to original Witney specs. The size is given
as 71" x 158".

...just my 2ó worth...

Bigfoot

waaay up north
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: August 29, 2001 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets


> Ole,
>  Probably went high.. I actually bid on a pair of white/cream ones that
were
> at an estate auction. Pristine, label intact, and the mid point of the
> blanket was actually "scored" for straight cutting/tearing... It sold in
the
> $750 rancge, if I remember right.. WAAAY to pricey for my budget.
> D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
>
>
> > Dennis,
> > About a year ago there was a red 3 point blanket that was still hooked
> > together. Ebay was selling and promoting it as being verry rare.
> > YMOS
> > Ole # 718
> > ----------
> > >From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
> > >To: <[e-mail]>
> > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
> > >Date: Tue, Aug 28, 2001, 7:01 AM
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >  "And is there a demand today for blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?"
> > >
> > >Angela
> > >
> > >It is my understanding that "doubles" * "pairs" of blankets were
shipped
> > >here form Europe for economic reason.. To save the tarrif or taxes on
> > >imports. You can ship "one" long blanket  and then seperate it when
here
> and
> > >save the price paying import tarrifs on two.
> > >
> > >Dennis
> > >
> > >   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> > >            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> > >       Knives and Iron Accouterments
> > >      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
> > >
> > >   "Knowing how is just the beginning."
> > >
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:25:26 +0100
From: "Bob Schmidt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

Sorry....was mistaken.  Guess the book was written by Mike Kafton.
I'm still interested.
Bob Schmidt


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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:39:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

In a message dated 8/29/1 8:30:33 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Sorry....was mistaken.  Guess the book was written by Mike Kafton.

I'm still interested.

Bob Schmidt>>

We are still in the same movie.  Mike wants to start produceing a period reel
as well and has traded stuff with me to make the components for him.  He is a
quiet guy - a printer - be very serious about this stuff, research and all.
I'll get back with you.

Cheers
RJames

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:52:52 -0600
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets

Hello!

Tom Roberts loaned the AMM exhibit in the Museum of the Mountain Man in
Pinedale a nice red/scarlet double blanket.  It's a Hudson Bay.

Wes Housler has some double blankets for sale.  I've seen one, and they look
pretty good.

Helps from kicking your feet out on a cold night............


Allen from Fort Hall country.


At 09:10 AM 08/29/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Ole,
> Probably went high.. I actually bid on a pair of white/cream ones that were
>at an estate auction. Pristine, label intact, and the mid point of the
>blanket was actually "scored" for straight cutting/tearing... It sold in the
>$750 rancge, if I remember right.. WAAAY to pricey for my budget.
>D
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:01 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
>
>
>> Dennis,
>> About a year ago there was a red 3 point blanket that was still hooked
>> together. Ebay was selling and promoting it as being verry rare.
>> YMOS
>> Ole # 718
>> ----------
>> >From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
>> >Date: Tue, Aug 28, 2001, 7:01 AM
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >  "And is there a demand today for blankets measuring about 5' X 12'?"
>> >
>> >Angela
>> >
>> >It is my understanding that "doubles" * "pairs" of blankets were shipped
>> >here form Europe for economic reason.. To save the tarrif or taxes on
>> >imports. You can ship "one" long blanket  and then seperate it when here
>and
>> >save the price paying import tarrifs on two.
>> >
>> >Dennis
>> >
>> >   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>> >            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>> >       Knives and Iron Accouterments
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:52:53 -0600
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

Hi Ole,

In the journals of Nathanial Wyeth he mentions on page 23, "my covered
fishing rod".  There are numerous times when he mentions trading fish hooks
with the Indians for various items.

So fishing rods in the west go back at least to 1834.

Allen

At 07:25 AM 08/29/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello the Camp!
>I know that we have had discussions on fishing line and hooks before, but I
>have not seen anything on poles/reals and such.
>What did they look like? when were they invented? where can I get one if
>they make such a thing?
>I know that Wilferd Woodruff went fly fishing in the creeks around Fort
>Bridger in 1847 but how far do they go back before that?.
>YMOS
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:40:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade

In a message dated 8/28/01 9:24:55 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< If I may be so forward as to answer a question put to someone else,
Peter Skene Ogden's biographer Archie Bimms deals with the Northwest. >>

Thanks Wynn! I think I speak for most everyone on the list...please always
feel free to answer any question posted. I'll see if I can find a biography
on Ogden....seems to me he came out of Fort Vancouver..... so much to
read....<G>

I remain,
Magpie

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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:42:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

In a message dated 8/29/1 8:30:33 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Sorry....was mistaken.  Guess the book was written by Mike Kafton.

I'm still interested.

Bob Schmidt>>

Bob
I talked with Mike this evening ( he lives 35 miles north of here).  I will
get on of his books there for you if you wish.  He says they are only a
pamphlet, though and are $3.  If you want one anyway,   I will cover the
postage.  I need to know where to send it, though.  Everything in it is
quoted from history and has a complet bibliography, which is what we as
researchers are looking for anyway.  Since he put it together he has turned
up a lot more stuff as this kind of research is ongoing with him as it is
with us.  He is interested in the Rev War period and post-war, so much of his
stuff is of early period reference.

Hope this is what you are seeking

Sincerely
Richard James

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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:42:04 +0100
From: "Bob Schmidt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

Thank you for your quick reply.

Yes, I would very much like to have one of the pamphlets.  Please
send me your address so I can mail the $$.

Our address is:
Bob Schmidt
P.O. Box 941
Hamilton, MT  59840
http://www.webwalking.com/historicalenterprises.com


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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:53:46 +0100
From: "Bob Schmidt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fishing Equipment?

Thank you Richard for you quick reply.
Please send me the address so I can send the $$ for the pamphlet
on fishing.
Send to:
Bob Schmidt
P.O. Box 941
Hamilton, MT 59840

Thank you again.
Bob Schmidt
http://www.webwalking.com/historicalenterprises


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